OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??mp3

0:00what's up everybody Thursday evening I would say happy Thursday evening but we know what happened earlier today we're gonna talk about it but before we do do me a favor hit that like button hit that subscribe button if you have not already also for those who don't always do YouTube go to Apple Apple people save us for Apple podcasts nine Apple people go to spreeker.com and save us there we're gonna be talking about the Ohio State game how state falls the TCU today tough game we're gonna talk about it obviously a lot of chatter about Jake Debler's future we're gonna talk about that as well but also when you send those wonderful super chats helps to go towards the pay it forward which is our military and our first responders we're gonna look out for them

1:03because they always look out for us Nevada Buck brother brother brother brother what's up man I'm sad be my gonna lie I'm sad that yeah that we that we lost today we lost again that we probably probably shouldn't have lost but we lost it nonetheless and it's just sad I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're gonna do for 2026 from here on out just gonna be football football which is which is great which I love talking about but the buck I see is an ended a little too prematurely for me today and just just sad you know you being the ex great player that you were just I'm I'm more interested in your thoughts initially because I've read the the the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought and they're for some reason you know who's gonna allow the iron who's catching a lot of the the flack of the game is Kristoff Tilley for some reason which is I find absolute

2:06bizarre because I actually thought he played pretty good today and you know I mean other than Moebly who clearly was our best player I thought Tilley might have been our second or at worst third best player but for some reason he's just catching straight from him and I just wonder when you when you watch it again were you thinking wow Kristoff Tilley is killing us or or did your thoughts go go elsewhere well I mean the hope the first half was bad and so Kristoff Kristoff Tilley Kristoff Tilley played his part in the bad first half was he the worst on the on the floor no but he was being goofy and he was being a little soft around the rim which is something he does I think he's an okay player he has some skill for his size but man it's just like he needs to play bigger he needs to be more physical consistently and I think that's some of the people's complain about Tilley finishing around a rim stronger to me he's too hesitant it's just like do like but he is who he is he has 11 points a game this year

3:11and he scored 10 today he averaged four rebounds a game and he had six he averaged two assists he played better in the second half he played better in the second half I'll give you one I mean I mean you know they I just I just feel like like man when you're looking for super villains in this game it's it's hard to look at somebody who who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the game like I felt the rest were letting them play at an extremely physical game in the first half and I didn't think that I nerded Ohio State's benefit I think they let you know they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of the game there were some I felt marginal calls that they called you know one we're up three and they called a three-point play I'm barely any contact and I thought it was a little incongruent but yeah no I mean I agree yeah I think I said Tilley I mean to me I thought the story of the game you lose a two-point game you have the all-time leading score in the history of Ohio State basketball who averages 20 points a game and he

4:12has one basket in the second half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time now that is a problem right there that is an issue you you can't shoot thirty-three percent from the field and score ten points one of the all-time leading score in Ohio State history in a game and you know you know I'm Bruce Thornton I couldn't I mean that I don't know was that his worst game Everett Ohio State maybe no I mean he picked he picked a peculiar I mean there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse you know I'm saying because I mean there you go I mean I think I mean I mean he's the all-time leading score in school history the all-time leading score and he shot thirty-three percent from the field and had one basket in the second half I mean I don't but we're talking about Kristoff Tilley I don't know I'm I'm I'm just confused to be honest with it now let me be clear I don't agree with the take that Tilley is

5:13the number one guy like oh it was Tilley I don't agree with that I think he could have played better in the first half like but that's just a carryover complaint from me I like Tilley but I don't love Tilley because of the stuff I already mentioned but that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilley I agree now let's get to Bruce Thornton and we'll just talk about the game so obviously you could see the game plan from TCU this is nothing new I mean teams like all through the schedule blitz Bruce Thornton double shading this think about it we mostly talk about football so who you football people just look at it as rolling coverage right rolling coverage over to to Jeremiah Smith side think about it like that if you don't know basketball that well it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key they were keen on him when he would penetrate they would shade over it was like it had like a like a diamond like

6:14following him around if you look at what TCU was doing their game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you that was the game plan so with that said to your point Nevada it's tough you don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much but you also have to be very very aggressive to when you're when that when you pick your spots when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane you have to attack and when you attack you have to know how to attack and this is what I mean I think Bruce got frustrated he was very frustrated he was frustrated when he did have opportunities later in the game to me he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make he's very smart like going into the body of punch instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he can hit so well he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch and so the the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton we

7:16didn't come out with the same energy we didn't come out with the same physicality DCU played like they've been in the tournament recent like they have they've been in the tournament in the recent years we have it we came out like we you know like the stage was big now obviously we adjust it and we settled down and we were right in the game but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that and so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada but we were able to still fight back but it just wasn't enough man but yet to your point Bruce Thornton and let me say this last thing because I love Bruce Thornton and I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game Bruce Thornton is a great kid he's a really good basketball player he has skill and talent but I think today showed why yes he's the leading score because he's been here for four years he's been consistent great kid he stayed with a house date but he's not he's not he's not Michael red he's

8:17not Mike Conley he's not Jim Jackson he's just not to that level because again even with that attention on him yes be patient get it to your guys but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that if you're an elite like elite Hooper Hooper Nevada go ahead I know you want to jump in well I mean like there's so many things to say I just you know I I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels but played a lot of basketball in my life and having coach not at the high school coach a lot of basketball in my life that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that you know Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and and look and then he would go stand in the corner and he they had completely buffaloed and that and that point as the head coach you have to take the ball out of his hands you have to and I'm screaming the whole first half I'm like get let mobility let mobility run the

9:20offense do not get the ball out of his hands you know and it's the fact that it took an entire half on something that I literally recognize at 1733 to go in the first first half it took it once we switched to mobility we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead that's a 20 point swing how can I just I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out I just I'm just I'm really struggling with a look if somebody's gonna take something away from you then they're leaving something else open you don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again because clearly the Thornton didn't have it whether he was frustrated buffaloed covered whatever was going on you know it I mean I just he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble and I saw I say I'm like why are we slowing the game

10:22down why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to right you eight down the clock and then running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up and you know you know I'm saying I'm like man what we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying oh we don't attack or how state doesn't it we don't that's not what we plan I'm like you have to play that way you cannot let this TCU defense set up against you when you've got the ball I mean Bruce Thornton's got to be able because he's not the biggest guy he's not Evan Turner he's not you know he's not six foot six so you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble so if you've got the thing you've got to be able to create something I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today not not once I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble and that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside nobody else is getting open inside and frankly once we switch to mobile though everything switch and I I just don't understand why Jake Debeler who I like Jake Debel I want Jake Debeler to be successful how can

11:24you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed how can he go that long without without adjusting yeah and I've seen it he did he adjusted but it was later like you said I saw him starting to bring a Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose instead of him bringing a ball up court but it was later and so I think to ask you a question I'm not saying this right but you're thinking he's seen this before he's your best player let him work through it let him make you know good decisions through it and and press through it and that's what I think Debeler was thinking but it just obviously it just it didn't work well but yes running the offense through mobile was better you know as far as the the flow of the offense and getting things going but not just that I mean we took we turned the ball over seven times in the first half and it just was

12:24conky we didn't look in rhythm TCU looked in rhythm now again to their credit in the second half they stepped up started playing much better you know started matching that physicality TCU got a little cold and what not but just came up short we can honestly bro we could talk about unless you got more to say about that we can talk about what everybody's talking about which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play and I mean that was that was rough that was frustrating first of all shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada I agree with you Dev he mentioned in the group chat the group chat that you can't give up that position now by them as a freshman he's that he's a pretty big physical kid and that TCU kid is no no slouch but I agree you can't let him get that deep in the paint I thought we played good defense on punch on that play but that TCU kid was white he was established deep

13:24in the paint and at that point I'm just I'm glad Bynum didn't foul them but that was just tough man Nevada which what you got well you know I'm yeah I mean would I like to have seen Bynum you know play a little bit or defense on that yeah but I you know I just thought it was a good play by TCU and he was able to wall them off and look they got a they got a great shot in that situation I just again from a coaching standpoint when you're looking at the clock and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference but if they run it down to the very end which they did credit to TCU but given the rules where you can't advance the ball I'm telling I'm telling my guys you got to get the ball in balance and you got to get the ball across half court and then we call the time out you know I'm saying like like anything you do you've got to get the ball into the front court and then you call the time out I think yeah but again that's that's the kind of that's this isn't a second guess this was something I was saying the number 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot I'm

14:25like you've got to anticipate that and you got to tell them the guys they look when this happens you know if they score get it into the front court let's call time out let's get something set up let's run a play he was obviously what they were doing they're coming in hide it till he was going to go back to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner you know jumper but you know there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds ago so as much as people want to be mad at it I don't I'm not as mad at him for that play but I think the set up to that could have been better you know which goes for the whole day I felt like the entire day I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win you know and incidentally you know game it's literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already and it just yeah it to me I thought that every one of

15:29Jake Debler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach and I think his inexperienced showed and you know for me who's been somebody who's been you know pretty much on the you know definitely I think we got to give Debler more time now I'm I'm not sure I'm really I think to me it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing because I I just I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that um it really has it has me questioning you know his abilities head coach maybe that's fair maybe that's unfair but that's where I'm at now I hear you here's the last play so I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball is not advanced so I was kind of tripped to myself like some of these takes on well they drew that up I mean there's not much you can do I mean we've seen it we've seen

16:31team score from this I mean it was it had to be executed perfectly you know you got a guy I I would have gave it to Mobley in this situation I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter like I would if you're going to draw that up I would have drew drew it up for Mobley not only that but the other team is looking for your senior you're all tightly in score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them and so I don't know that's just me but yes I agree that and I don't even say the hindsight but knowing what's coming knowing you only have one time out left just signal to your guys get it across get it across you know that should be something you do in practice and that's it in that situation that would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three you know or even a or even throw it down low to get a foul or something but yeah man I knew when this happened

17:33it was a rap barring a miracle but unfortunate now as far as what you said about Debler yeah I mean here's the thing I said this before I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach I think he can be a very good coach I think he might have been brought into early I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation success-wise maybe if he was brought in three years after the hope and like he went to a max school cut his teeth came back he was he was retained I think the the brass saw that he was good with the kids he's a good coach he's bright but today probably showed like you said his efficiencies that he's still learning and so you know but also I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully

18:34loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff if they're going to keep him they need to make sure they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster period now I told y'all I just want Buckeye basketball to be elite I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships like under the Thad Mata you know like how we work consistently sweet 16 or you know like in the tournament elite that's what I want if that's getting rid of Debler okay but who are we going to get and that's not a question saying we shouldn't I'm just saying it better be somebody good we better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them period I don't care who it is Debler or somebody else that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be fair Debler is you know he may say he's made mistakes he may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early

19:41but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full you know deep roster he hasn't he has no bench so to me we got to look at both sides but either way I want to fix the question is is Debler is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada by the Buckeye you know administration as hey we made progress we won the most big 10 games we won it for seasons we made the tournament for the first time the players like him they respond to him we got a McDonald's on American coming next year let's keep building this let's add more I mean is that how they're going to look at it probably I don't think he's going to get fired regardless of what we say what we think I think they're going to keep him for another year at least that's just my opinion but Nevada what you got on all that well I mean I guess I mean the question I asked is like I'm world higher state you can talk about the roster and and I get that but like do you think high point has a better roster than we do you know I mean you know I honestly don't know high points but I'm going

20:44to say no but yeah I mean because high point certainly doesn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base or you know I'm saying none of that but you know they managed to put together team and you know beat was guy and I know it's one game and everything else like that but it's just you know you just wonder you know are you getting better are you getting worse you know what I'm saying and I think for Ohio State you know I I guess we're marginally better than we were last year but you know it is deeper the guide you know are you are you delaying the inevitable you know are you do you see Jake Gabler yeah I mean I guess the question would be it like do you think Jake Gaber will be the head coach or Ohio State in five years or 10 years you know I mean like do you think he's got that kind of longevity and I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer it's all hypothetical but you know it's it's one of those things where you know I just don't I don't know and and you know I like like I said I

21:50I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding you know at the end of the day I'm on a big believer in you know it's not the X's and O's it's the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to you know they've got to perform but in basketball of all the games man the coaches have such an impact because they they affect everything on in-bounds plays on rotations you know with switching defense I mean there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession of possession basis and so you know a coach is just so so important to your success I just don't know if Debra can be I like I said I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on to mobile his hands I mean I get you know trying to play with him if the thing about what you said if everything you say you're just they're playing two guys over the top on under shaking the entire defense they're playing a triangle over the top I mean

22:52then how do you have that guy just keep running into that mass front over and over and over again when you've got you know a player mobily who can get it done you know I'm sound like that he's he's a guy he's a viable option it's all like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands you know so far this year I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out that that's the thing is kind of confatomy way more the so than the just you know the play design I'm the last play or you know should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other or even his rotations I mean even you know getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did I just I don't know I mean you know I'm the last play again do you give it to mobily who least score or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor I you know I don't know you know any any option you had was bad not one four point three seconds may seem we've all seen the the Christian late nerthing and we you know look I know it can happen

23:52but it's hard right it's it's really really hard and it you know it's a it's a low it's a low percentage play no matter no matter you know how you go about it so but I don't know I let me put you if I'm on high estate I am definitely working the fall and to see who's available and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now and if you're going to make a move I think this is the time to make it I don't I don't think so if you're not going to keep them long term then I think you get rid of them now okay I think you just cut your losses and and move on yeah question is will they do that I just don't know I'm not confident they will and I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Jordan look at the look at the the the lack of hesitant like he just he just I wish Bruce in this game because again they were all

24:53over him they were they were trying to take him out of the game I get that but as a star player the captain of your team boom he did not hesitate pull it up like it was needed like boom like that was a big bucket for him that's what your leadership be doing and to me I feel like early in the game I don't know if it was frustration I don't know what it was but you got to find a way yes you want to be patient somebody's open if they're doubling you make the right play I get all of that but you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive and to me this he did not hesitate he pulled up in his face and stroked it boom like that was needed throughout the entire gang to really set the tone and lead your team but anyway yeah Nevada I mean listen I hear you you mentioned a

25:54high point I mean look we smashed Wisconsin 2 by 17 I wasn't that high on Wisconsin I had them losing the next round anyway and shoot Sienna gave Duke all they can handle today this tournament you better come ready you better be ready to play I don't care how deep your roster is it's like every year we get we get reminded of how how big this tournament is and you see little teams take out big teams and 12s take out 5s and whatever but I don't know Nevada I mean the question for me is what is Bjork in this administration going to do I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer I'm saying okay if you get rid of dealer you better be on the phones and find someone who is like hey yo this is a stud coach I want that I don't want to you know what he might be okay no if you fire dealer go get somebody be aggressive like you would be a football and go get somebody that says

26:55this is a home run higher and this is just it Nevada do you think they can do that because to be honest with you Nevada before you jump in I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball as as I am in football you know I'm saying so it's like I just don't know oh um I just give you a fun fact it'll fun stat um and just and then I'll give that to your question do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the his first three point of the game in with 33 33 seconds into the game and then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds left in the game and between that period in time between that period of time he had one basket good lord between the first crazy between the first 33 seconds left so in the last in 39 minutes he had one basket yeah you know you know what I'm saying and it's just like that can't happen no no no look

28:01I mean 39 minutes at one basket in two free throws that's all that that was it yeah and so but yeah I mean look cano house they do it absolutely I mean like Ohio State just signed Nadine Musseroll uh their hockey coach to a new five-year contract um you keep an eye away from Minnesota I mean they Ohio State can do whatever they want and basketball best was not in a relevant sport is we're not talking about you know archery or you know fencing or something like that or you know women's lacrosse we're talking about basketball I mean it's a revenue sport it's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team there's no reason they shouldn't have you know they've got great facilities they've got a great recruiting base they've got a great reputation they've got a history of success in recent success so to me I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and and trying to see what's available because you know I want to see what what options they might have for this yeah I mean they should do their due diligence for

29:04sure like I said to me well first of all I agree obviously basketball is not football but it's not I don't know rifle or they actually won national championships at a house they're good too but you get my point talk about revenue like I get that I understand that but to me I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the basketball program so I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that I don't think it's impossible you sure they can but will they that's my question and here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court dejected last game and all that man sucks and it was a it was an emotional roller coaster today we're down 15 at the half I'm thinking I kept saying to my people it boring a small miracle this game is over which I still stand by that because to me I was being able to come back like

30:09we did with a small miracle because we just we were just bad in that first half but then you know the roller coaster go back up and then came crashing down at the end and it was very frustrating very sad um but this is what's been going on with this program past four years the first time in the tournament in the past four years is tough in itself so I don't know man Nevada that's going to be the question mark for me what are we going to do are we going to keep Jake if we keep Jake what are we going to do to step up with NIL funds portal you know make sure we bring guys in here not not mid guys but high-level guys that can come in and plug and play and and make a big impact and and all that so that's the question I mean that you know that's pretty much it at the end of the day Nevada what else you got yeah now I think I'm I'm gonna go with my final answer

31:10being I think Ohio State's gonna be looking I'm gonna be definitely testing the the lines with with the agents that know about this stuff whether or not Ohio State really looking for but I just I think something like this I mean I think I'll have state fans you saw from the intro I mean Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team they really want to get behind the basketball team but you know something like this where you know you know you're right the the first half it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU you know in every way and and again they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher than that but you know we managed to take a five-point lead in the second half and then you know you you you know to have you I feel like it was our it was our lack of experience and and I mean I gotta say it coaching I really think coaching cost us today I think if we had a more experienced coach we would have won the game today I think it'd be a fat map fat moda even heck if we I think it'd be a

32:14Chris Holman I think we don't want the game today but you know that again that's hypothetical you know we'll never know but I I I thought I thought deeper was really bad today and I and I rooting for I like deeper I you know I like that I love that loves his brother I want dealer to be it but I just I'm trying to think about you know even our inbound split you know like one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff and I I didn't even like our in-bounds plays I didn't I just I didn't like our offensive sets I didn't like the way we were doing it just it nothing seemed to make sense and you know you know it just kind of all you know I'm going to go my final answer is going to be a house it's going to be looking but I'm going to I'll I'll know here the next 24 48 hours of their if they're making calls because this is this is when they start making them right now yes I was going to say please holler at your sources because I want to know I want to know you know because again I just my confidence is through the roof with a house they football doing

33:17whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball I'm just not so yes please keep us posted on that Nevada but before we close out I did want to bring out one thing that's non-basketball related I thought was very interesting Nevada I'm going to share my screen real quick and the chat tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time and I think this is kind of like just kind of flying under the radar but did y'all see the incident that proves change is the targeting suspension in one year trial so here it is for at least one season a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game the division one football ball sub division oversight committee on Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty for the 26 season a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can

34:21participate in a following game the trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught a player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required sit out the first half of the next game a player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the full following game and then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the 20 2025 season so to me this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule I know Joe clat has hated it he's been pounding the table others have mentioned it I thought this was interesting okay so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here Nevada what's your thoughts on this brother well first I hate the targeting rule period so let me just say you know I let me explain to you with the the fundamental flaws in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits

35:23you know what I'm saying and well you know it's like that old saying by Justice Potter they asked him the definition of pornography and he goes I know it when I see it you know what I'm saying like that's that's kind of a targeting like we know it when we see it like so if you have a hit and I'm you know what I'm talking about you you've been in a house they fan you know for like you know when you see guys get disqualified for games for hits were at the last second quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side you know I'm saying something like that that to me is not targeting until so until they I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff but yeah I think until they deal with the entire rule and I think the problem is with the when you slow everything down to slow motion okay in slow motion there's head contact at almost every single play you know I'm saying some part of your body is going to make

36:24contact with the other person's head on 90% of the same you know I'm saying like it could be your forearm it could be your hand it could be your shoulder it could be your wrist I mean something's going to make contact with the head or neck area I'm just about every play so when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to doing the review like that I I really think it's just gotta be I've always felt like there should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a five yard but I don't know I don't know what exactly what the answer is but I think it's just I don't like the application of the rule in general the way that they do it because I think about that that game that we played against Clemson when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on our way on the side I shan way to on the on the the sack of Trevor like to be there is no way in the world that is targeting but that got called for targeting and so until you address that to me that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty in the third period one game half game no game

37:28whatever I just hate the rule period and you know and until they change that then you know I don't I don't know where to go with that I mean how what do you think about targeting what do you ask how do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules been been called in recent years I mean you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up that shan way targeting penalty to me is the chair like is it's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting and it's no it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan he dropped his head sunshine dropped his head right at the moment when shineway was coming if he doesn't drop his head they don't call targeting and they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting like to me there has to be common sense to it you review it you see all the player dropped his head like come on man like listen I one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's it's a it's a the rule is terrible because it's so subjective you can have a

38:32guide do one thing and get caught and then another guy another game do the same thing I get caught so listen you spoke my mind I don't really have much else to say you're right on it but that shan way play against Clemson that was so trash and that's still hot to me is like two two plays in that game are like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating so yeah I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting go ahead no I know I know the second one was the Akuta one we're you know on the on the the fumble recurring yeah which is the worst call in the history of calls but I think it goes to a more basic thing and this is something we've talked about before but it's it's about replay and you know replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape I feel the same way should be with

39:33targeting if it's not so clear and obvious you can't call targeting you know with review review should not be I think or oh yeah that looks like or yeah that appears to be it should only be black and white I think targeting should only be black and white I think review should only be black and white and and I think too many times the review official the guy they want to get involved they want to make the big call they want to do the thing and I just think until they change that until they get the application right on replay I think it it dribbles into into targeting as well I think they should it should be the same standard indisputable video it should have to be it's indisputable video evidence of targeting like there's no question in your mind it shouldn't be well yeah that that kind of looked like that or wow he did come drop as head there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty that's just where I'm at and that's how I feel about review about replaying and and you know I've been saying that for years about

40:35replay yep you have you've been consistent with replay and so I agree I mean I don't dislike this one-year trial I think it's cool that guys aren't I think it predict protects guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game your best player because of a bad call so I like that now what's going to happen after that trial we'll see but I thought that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament I thought that was a significant piece of information to update so definitely wanted to run that by one but listen ah tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end it is what it is we'll see how the future holds with devler with a house date does and all that and we'll absolutely keep you up on that but spring practice is back next week we'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with content and coverage all things Buckeye football basketball whatever's relevant we're going to

41:38hit you with it any last words Nevada foe hop off here well yeah now that I mean look we get to officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball you know obviously they'll you know kind of work on get ready for for next year I'm interested to see who they you know they return who they get in the portal you know what's going on with that but um you know hey Buckeye football's going and we're going to have it we're going to have a scrimmage next weekend and that that'll be those are always fun because then we really get to see the ball trip line for sure and top G center super chat uh thanks for the one ninety nine got to go this program needs a caliperio patino so yeah we're going to see we are going to see I agree we deserve an elite coach um are you know are we can devler be an elite coach three four years from now maybe is it worth waiting to see I don't know either way we you know is we going to see in Nevada I'm waiting here for your contacts your agent folks to see what's really going on but you know time will tell

42:40I will tell um what do you think about those names caliperio patino I know he doesn't mean literally them but it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach would you think about that well I you know I wouldn't mind somebody who's from stature I wouldn't even mind some who's from stature in some baggage I don't that that stuff doesn't bother me I think I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they want about that but that's just the way that I feel I feel like I I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is so if they had to get somebody was some that's that I don't have a problem with it either that or you know you you go with the last honest man the last honest man coaching you you get from the cheese it to get b-moses you get b-moses and you bring them in there and you're like look we're gonna go with ethicalness we're gonna go with you you're kind of coach Carter you can put like hey you're like my reputation's up there on the wall there guys I'm just putting them up there and then leaves the victory the like you did the cheesets and the cheesets came together like

43:42this year they were like like a like a spirited group they got there and you molded them into champions they all woke up the cheesies when at the end of the day they're definitely cheesies at the end of the day do I have my cheesy graphic or is my cheesy graph I didn't upload it here did I there ain't get I wanted to share it on my house to upload it oh no there it is there it is right I don't know did it pop up oh that's got to be that's got to be a Halloween costume that is got to be a Halloween costume oh man that is hilarious um I'm available though I'll tell you what I would recruit well I know how talk to the young boys young boys oh I'm sure you get you can open up with them a little bit out there just they may say hey they'll play a little one on one there and uh if I beat you then you you come to our state then you commit deal

44:44son commit that he's starting to worry about that right now don't decide right right what about me oh sounds like it's seen from um oh why my why is the movie escape me uh Denzel Washington Ray Allen Jesus shuttles worth um he got gang I don't know if you see that for oh yeah yeah is his dad he's playing one on one yeah yeah so anyway go go watch it if you're I'm watching I'm thinking I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that you're like the nicknulty look good honest guy think it's lured into the the lured rule of recruiting then you're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm happy was the name happy was the blister's name dropping bags off and tractors and I mean they had Penny Hardaway Shack uh who was the white boy with the jumper that had the try I forget his name for Indiana you get

45:46for Indiana right yeah that movie that was that movie was crazy Al Bundy was the investigative reporter I might have to go back and walk like that that's good stuff so we always go off with the tangent but listen listen it's all good man we love doing this it's fun today sucked but it is what it is we still got football we still got football y'all we got it we're going to be good so anyway that's my last words and uh listen until next time we love your book our school family book our nation go bucks as always peace