OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??

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2:02Offer ends March 31st, Restrictions Apply. Promotions may vary. Visit Safeway.com for more details. Hello! Hey! Hello! Hello! Hello! What's up everybody? Thursday evening, I would say happy Thursday evening, but we know what happened earlier today. We're going to talk about it. But before we do, do me a favor, hit that like button, hit that subscribe button if you have not already. Also for those who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple. Apple people, save us from Apple podcasts, non-Apple people, go to spreeker.com and save us there. We're going to be talking about the Ohio State game, Ohio State Falls, the TCU today, tough game. We're going to talk about it. Obviously, a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future. We're going to talk about that as well.

3:03But also, when you send those wonderful super chats, helps to go towards the pay it forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buck, brother. Brother, brother, brother. What's up, man? I'm sad, B, not going to lie. I'm sad that we lost today. We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. That's right, but from here on out, we're just going to be football, football, football, which is great, which I love talking about. But the Buck guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today and just sad. And you being the great player that you were, I'm more interested in your thoughts initially, because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. And for some reason, you know who's going to allow the iron,

4:07who's catching a lot of the flack of the game, is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is, I find absolute bizarre, because I actually thought he played pretty good today. And, you know, I mean, other than Mowbly, who clearly was our best player, I thought Tilly might have been our second or at worst third best player. But for some reason, he's just catching straight from him and I just wonder, when you were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us? Or did your thoughts go elsewhere? Well, I mean, the first half was bad. And so Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the floor? No, but he was being goofy and he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has some skill for his size, but man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical consistently.

5:07And I think that's some of the people's complaint about Tilly, finishing around a rim stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like, dude, like, he is who he is. He averaged 11 points a game this year and he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six. He averaged two assists a game. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half. I mean, I mean, you know, I just, I just feel like, like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the game. Like, I felt the refs were letting them play at an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that a nerd do a house they'd spend. And I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot. And then at the end of the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we were up three and they called a three point play. I'm barely any contact at all. I thought it was a little incongruent.

6:08But yeah, no, I mean, I agree. But yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game, you lose a two point game. You have the all time leading score in the history of a house that basketball who averages 20 points a game. And he has one basket in the second half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points. We're in the all time leading score in a house that history in a game. And Bruce Thornton, I couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game ever at a house that may be? I mean, he picked a peculiar, I mean, there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse. You know what I'm saying? Because I mean, there you go. I mean, I think that, yeah. I mean, he's the all time leading score in school history, the all time leading score. And he shot 33% from the field

7:08and had one basket in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know, I'm just confused to be honest with him. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy. Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better in the first half. Like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly because of the stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton. And we'll just talk about the game. So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams like all through the schedule blitzed Bruce Thornton, double shading. Just think about it. We mostly talk about football. So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right? Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith side. Think about it like that.

8:09If you don't know basketball, that will, is like, when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like, if you had like a diamond following him around, if you look at what TCU was doing, their game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough. You don't want to force things and basically play into the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when that, when you pick your spots, when there's a hole, or when there's a weakness, or there's a lane, you have to attack. And when you attack, you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean. I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated, he was very frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game, to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make.

9:09He's very smart, like going into the body of punch, instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the same physicality. TCU played, like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have, they've been in the tournament in the recent years, we have it. We came out like, you know, like the stage was big. Now, obviously we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game, but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back, but it just wasn't enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing, because I love Bruce Thornton, and I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player.

10:11He has skill and talent, but I think today showed why. Yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years, he's been consistent, great kid. He stayed with a house state, but he's not Michael Red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level. Because again, even with that attention on him, yes, be patient, get it to your guys, but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead, I know you want to jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played, not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life. And having coach, not at the highest level, but coach a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble

11:1130 feet away from the basket and stop and look at them, then he would go stand in the corner. And they had completely buffled. And at that point, as the head coach, you have to take the ball a lot of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming the whole first half. I'm like, get, let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball out of his hands. You know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I literally recognized at 1733 to go in the first, first half. It took, once we switched to mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing. How can I just, I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out. I just, I'm just, I'm really struggling with that. Look, if somebody's going to take something away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again,

12:13because clearly the authority didn't have it, whether he was frustrated, buffalogue, covered, whatever was going on. Hey there, it's Ryan C. Cress for Safeway. Are you looking for a refresh this spring? Make sure you take some time for self-care with savings on all your favorite hair care essentials now through March 31st shop in store or online for participating hair care items from Pantene, head and shoulders, Aussie and old spice and earn four times points. Points can be redeemed later for discounts on groceries or gas. Offer ends March 31st, restrictions apply, promotions may vary. Visit Safeway.com for more details.

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14:21And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound five, two, nine from your cell phone. We are always open or call centers always waiting to take your call. 24, seven, three, sixty five. Wow, Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepople.com for an office near you. Yeah, I mean, I just, he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble. And I saw a, I say, I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down on the clock and then running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up? And you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, we have got to attack the rim and I had people saying, oh, we don't attack. Well, how state doesn't it? We don't, that's not what we play. And I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you.

15:22When you've got the ball, I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today, not, not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else was getting open inside. And frankly, once we switched them over, though, everything switched. And I just don't understand why Jake Debeler, who I like Jake Debeler, I want Jake Debeler to be successful. How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting? Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later, like you said. I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose. Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later.

16:25And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player. Let him work through it. Let him make, you know, good decisions through it and press through it. And that's what I think Debeler was thinking. But it just obviously, it just didn't work well. But yes, running the offense through Moby was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going. But not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in a first half. And it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in a second half, they stepped up, started playing much better. You know, started matching that physicality. TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can, honestly, bro, we can talk about, unless you got more to say about that. We can talk about what everybody's talking about,

17:25which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean, that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Debel before we get into that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat, the group chat, that you can't give up that position. Now, Biden was a freshman. He's a pretty big physical kid. And that TCU kid is no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played good defense on punch on that play. But that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Biden didn't foul him. But that was just tough, man, Nevada, what you got? Well, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Biden play a little better defense on that? Yeah, but I just thought it was a good play by TCU. And he was able to wall him off. And look, they got a great shot in that situation. I just, again, from a coaching standpoint,

18:27when you're looking at the clock, and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference, but if they run it down to the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball, I'm telling, I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance, and you've got to get the ball across half court, and then we call the timeout. You know what I'm saying? Like anything you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court, and then you call the timeout. I think, but again, that's, that's the kind of thing. That's, this isn't a second guess. This was something I was saying the number's 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've got to anticipate that. And you've got to tell them, guys, look, when this happens, if they score, get it into the front court, let's call timeout, let's get something set up, let's run a play. He was obviously what they were doing. They were coming in hide it till he was going to go back to Thornton, and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner jumper. But, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court

19:28with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play, but I think the set up to that could have been better. You know, which goes to the whole day, I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally, you know, game. It's literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just, you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake DiBler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach. And I think his inexperienced showed. And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been, you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely lit, I think we gotta give DiBler more time. Now I'm not sure. I'm gonna, I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing

20:30because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his ability to say it's a head coach. Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. And I hear you, here's the last play. So I think you know it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripped into myself like, some of these takes on, well, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy. I would have gave it to Moby in this situation. I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter. Like, I would have, if you're gonna draw that up, I would have drew it up for Moby. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior,

21:33you're all tightly in score to get the ball. And you see, there's two guys on them. And so, I don't know, that's just me. But yes, I agree that, and I don't want to even say in hindsight, but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys, get it across, get it across. That should be something you do in practice. And that's it, in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three. You know, or even throw it down low to get a foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate. Now, as far as what you said about Debler, yeah. I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach. I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think he's a guy that probably

22:34would have had been in a better situation, success-wise, maybe, if he was brought in three years after the whole, and like, he went to a max school, cut his teeth, came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good coach, he's bright. But today probably showed, like you said, his efficiencies that he's still learning. And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster, period. Now, I told you all, I just want Buckeye Basketball to be a lead. I want Buckeye Basketball to compete for championships like under that matter, you know, like how we were.

23:35Consistently, sweet 16 or, you know, like, in the tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay, but who are we going to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying, it better be somebody good. We better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them, period. I don't care who it is, Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be fair. Debler is, you know, he made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full, you know, deep roster. He hasn't, he has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either way, I want to fix. The question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada,

24:38by the Buckeye, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big 10 games we won in four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him, they respond to him. We got to McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that? Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is, like, I'm world-higher state and you can talk about the roster and I get that, but like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do? I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but. Yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base or, you know, I'm saying none of that, but, you know, they managed to put the other team and, you know, Pete was kind, I know it's one game and everything else like that, but it's just, you know,

25:41you just wonder, you know, are you getting better or are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I think for a higher state. Hey there, it's Ryan Seacrest for Safeway. Cold weather can wreak havoc on your skin. You don't want to miss out on this month's great savings on all your favorite skincare essentials. Now through March 31st, earn four times points when you purchase participating skincare items like dub soap, dub body wash, dub beauty bar, soft soap body wash and Irish spring body wash. Points can be redeemed later for discounts on groceries or gas off her ends March 31st, restrictions apply. Promotions may vary. Visit Safeway.com for more details. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

26:42Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound five, two, nine from your cell phone. We are always open or call centers always waiting to take your call. 24, seven, three, sixty five. Wow, Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepople.com for an office near you. I guess we're marginally better than we were last year. But is Debra the guy to, are you delaying the inevitable? Do you see Jake Gebeler? Yeah, I guess the question would be, do you think Jake Gebeler will be the head coacher to house eight and five years or 10 years? Do you think he's got that kind of longevity?

27:43And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical. But it's one of those things where I just don't know. And like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in, it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to perform. But in basketball of all the games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they affect everything on in-bounds plays, on rotations, switching defense. And there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on to Moby's hands.

28:46I mean, I get, trying to play with him, if the thing about what you said, if everything you're saying you're just, they're playing two guys over the top on them, they're shaking the entire defense, they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy just keep running into that bass front over and over and over again? When you've got a player mobily who can get it done, you know what I'm saying? Like he's a guy, he's a viable option. It's not like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands so far this year. I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That's the thing that's kind of confounding me. Way more of the sort than the play design on the last play or should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other, or even his rotations. I mean, even getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to mobily who, least score, or do you give it to the guy who's three of nine from the floor?

29:46I, you know, I don't know, you know, any option you had was bad. And that went 4.3 seconds. Basically, we've all seen the Christian Latener thing and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard. It's really, really hard. And it, you know, it's a low, it's a low percentage play no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, but I don't know. I, I, let me put you, if I'm going to have a state, I am definitely working the phone to see who's available and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now. And if you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it. I don't, I don't think, if you're not going to keep them long term, then I think you get rid of them now. OK, I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on. Yeah, question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will. And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden.

30:49Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant. Like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him. They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate, pull it up, like it was needed, like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leaders should be doing. And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was, but you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play. I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it, boom. Like that was needed throughout the entire game

31:52to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada, I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point. I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway. And shoot, Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament, you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get reminded of how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams. And 12s take out fives and whatever. But I don't know, Nevada. I mean, the question for me is, what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer. I'm saying, OK, if you get rid of dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know what? He might be OK.

32:53No, if you fire dealer, go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be a football. And go get somebody that says, this is a home run higher. And this is it, Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball as I am in football. You know what I'm saying? So this is like, I just don't know. Oh, I just give you a fun fact. It'll fun stat. And then I'll give that to your question. Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit his first three point of the game in 33 seconds into the game? And then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. Between the first race. Between the first 33 seconds and the last so in the last,

33:56in 39 minutes, he had one basket. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And it's just like, that can't happen. No, no, no, look, I mean, 39 minutes in one basket and two free throws. That's all that was it. Yeah, and so, but yeah, I mean, look, cano house they do it? Absolutely. I mean, look, oh, how's the design? Nadie Muzerol, the hockey coach to a new five-year contract, you know, keeping her away from Minnesota? I mean, they, oh, how's they can do whatever they want? And basketball, basketball's not in a relevant sport. You know, we're not talking about, you know, archery or, you know, fencing or something like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team. There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success and recent success.

34:56So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and trying to see what's available because, you know, I want to see what options they might have for this. Yeah, I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure. Like I said, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously basketball is not football, but it's not, I don't know, rifle. Are they actually one national championships at a house they're good too, but you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like I get that, I understand that. But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that. I don't think it's impossible, you sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks.

36:00And it was an emotional roller coaster today with down 15 out to half. I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people, boring a small miracle, this game is over. Which I still stand by that. Because to me, I was being able to come back like we did with this small miracle because we were just bad in that first half. But then the roller coaster, go back up and then can crashing down at the end. And it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program past four years. The first time in the past four years is tough in itself. So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question, Mark, for me. What are we going to do? Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds, portal, make sure we bring guys in here, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in and play

37:03and make a big impact and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that's pretty much it at the end of the day in Nevada. What else you got? Yeah, now I think I'm going to go with my final answer being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely testing the lines with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State is really looking forward. But I think something like this, I mean, I think Ohio State fans, you saw from the intro, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team. They really want to get behind the basketball team. Hey there, it's Ryan C. Cress for Safeway. Are you looking for a refresh this spring? Make sure you take some time for self care with savings on all your favorite hair care essentials now through March 31st shop in store or online for participating hair care items from panting, head and shoulders, Aussie and old spice and earn four times points. Points can be redeemed later for discounts on groceries or gas off her ends March 31st restrictions apply.

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39:04Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you. But, you know, something like this, where, you know, you're right, the first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and felt like it could have been higher than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five point lead in the second half and then, you know, you, you, you know, to have, you know, I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience in, in, I mean, I gotta say it, coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA, even if we think if we could just hold it, I think we'd have won the game for that. But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But, I, I, I, I, I thought, I thought deeper was really bad than I, and I, and I've ruined it for I like deeper. I, you know, I like that, I love the love's brother.

40:06I want deeper to be it. But I just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our in-bounce play, you know, like, one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many, how often we'd scored off of in-bounce plays and stuff. And I, I didn't even like our in-bounce plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the way we were doing it. Just it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, Chris, I said, so I'm going to go with, my final answer is going to be, Ohio State's going to be looking. But I'm going to, I'll, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their, if they're making calls because this is, this is when they start making them as right now. Yes, I was going to say, please, holler at your sources, because I want to know, I want to know, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof, with Ohio State football doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing

41:09that's non-basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick. And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time. And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident that proves change is the targeting suspension in one year trial? So here it is. For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game. The Division 1 football, Subdivision Oversight Committee on Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty. For the 26th season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can participate in a following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required to sit out the first half of the next game.

42:10A player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the 2025 season. So to me, this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klatt has hated it. He's been pounding the table. Others haven't mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother? Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know, I, I, let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws in targeting. Targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography and he goes, I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of a targeting. Like we know it when we see it.

43:11Like so if you have a hit and I'm, you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a house they fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits where at the last second, a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits them the side of the, you know what I'm saying? Something like that. That to me is not targeting until. So until they, I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But I think until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the, when you slow everything down to slow motion, okay? In slow motion, there's head contact on almost every single play. You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90% of the time. You know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand, it could be your shoulder, it could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact with the head

44:11or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to do in the review like that, I really think it's just gotta be, I've always felt like there should be like two penalties, like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a five-yard. But I don't know, I don't know what exactly with the answers, but I think it's just, I don't like the application of the rule in general the way that they do it. Cause I think about that, that game that we played against Clemson, when we got the remember, we got the targeting penalty on the side. I shot away on the sack of Trevor. Like to be, there is no way in the world that is targeting, but that got called for targeting. And so until you address that, to me, that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty, maybe third period, one game, half game, no game, whatever, I just hate the rule period. And, you know, until they change that, then, you know, I don't know where to go with that.

45:12I mean, what do you think about targeting? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules been called in recent years? I mean, you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up that shot away targeting penalty to me is the chair, it's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no, it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head sunshine, dropped his head right at the moment when shineway was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting. Like, to me, there has to be common sense to it. You review it, you see all the player dropped his head. Like, come on, man. Like, listen, I, one thing I do agree with Joe Clark is it's a, it's a, the rule is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy in another game do the same thing I get caught.

46:14So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say. You're right on it, but that shineway play against Clemson, that was so trash and that still haunts me. It's like two, two plays in that game, like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating. So I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead. No, it's because I know the second one was the Akuda one. We're, you know, on the, on the, the, the fumble. We're carrying the, yeah, which is the worst call in the history of calls. But I think it goes to a more basic thing and this is something we've talked about before, but it's, it's about replay. And you know, replay was set up to reverse, indisputable video evidence of error on the field, indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape. I feel the same way should be with targeting. If it's not so clear and obvious, you can't call targeting, you know, with review,

47:16review should not be, I think, or, oh, yeah, that looks like, or yeah, that appears to be, it should only be black and white. I think targeting should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white. And, and I think too many times the review official, the guy, they want to get involved, they want to make the big call, they want to do the thing. And I just think until they change that, until they get the application right on replay, I think it, it dribbles into, into targeting as well. I think they should be the same standard, indisputable video, it should have to be, it's indisputable video evidence of targeting. Like there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that, that kind of looked like that, or wow, he did come drop a cell, there's any doubt, it shouldn't be a penalty. That's just where I'm at, and that's how I feel about review, about replaying, and you know, I've been saying that for years about replay. Yep, you have, you've been in the system of replay. And so, I agree, I mean, I don't dislike this one year trial.

48:20I think it's cool that guys aren't, I think it protects guys from bad refereeing, so that they don't get ejected for a half a game, your best player, because of a bad call. So I like that. Now, what's going to happen after that trial, we'll see. But I thought that was interesting, and the midst of the NCAA tournament, I thought that was a significant piece of information to update, so I definitely wanted to run that by one, but listen, tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future holds with Devler and what Ohio State does and all that, and we'll absolutely keep you up on that. But spring practice is back next week, we'll get on that, and we're always going to hit you with content and coverage, all things, Buckeye, football, basketball, whatever's relevant, we're going to hit you with it. Any last words about a foe hop off here? Well, yeah, now that, I mean, we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball.

49:21You know, obviously they'll, you know, kind of work on getting ready for next year, we interested to see who they return, who they get in the portal, what's going on with that. But, you know, hey, Buckeye football's going and we're going to have a scrimmage next weekend and that'll be, those are always fun because then we really get to see the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Thanks for the 199. Gotta go. This program needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see. I agree we deserve an elite coach. Or, you know, can devler be an elite coach three, four years from now? Maybe is it worse waiting to see? I don't know. Either way, we, you know, is we going to see in Nevada, I'm waiting to hear from your contacts, your agent folks to see what's really going on. But, you know, time will tell, I will tell. What do you think about those names, caliperio patino? I know he doesn't mean literally them, but it looks like he's saying this program

50:22needs a caliperio patino type coach. Would you think about that? Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind some of these from Statue. I wouldn't even mind some of these from Statue and some baggage. I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think, I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked. And people can say what they want about that. But that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I, I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get somebody with some, that's the, I don't have a problem with it. Either that or you know, you, you go with the last honest man, the last honest man in coaching, you know, you get, from the cheese it to get B Moses, you get B Moses and you bring him in there. And you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness, we're going to go with, you're kind of coach Carter. You can put, like, hey, you were like, my reputation's up there on the wall there, guys. I'm just putting them up there and, I'm going to leave this to victory the old, like you did the cheesets. And the cheesets came together, like this year, they were like a, like a dispirited group. They got that and you molded them into champions.

51:24They all woke up with the cheesies when at the end of the day. You know, so I'm just, they're definitely cheesies. At the end of the day, do I have my cheesy graphic? Where's my cheesy graphic? I didn't upload it here, did I? I didn't get, I wanted to share it. I'm going to have to upload it. Oh, no, there it is. There it is right there. Hold on. Did it pop up? Oh, there you go. There it is. That is good. That's got to be your Halloween costume. That's got to be your Halloween costume. That is bad to be your Halloween costume. Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you what, I would recruit well. I know how talk to the young boys. Young boys. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure you better open up with them a little bit out there. Just say, hey, play a little one-on-one there. And if I beat you, you can go outside. Then you commit. Deal, son. You commit. You commit. Then he's starting to ring at night.

52:25Don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Right, right. What about me now, man? Oh, sounds like it's a scene from... Why is the movie escaping? Dinsale Washington, Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttle's word. He got gang. I don't know if you see that before. Oh, yeah. Is his dad? He's playing one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go watch it if you haven't watched it. I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick Nolte, like a good honest guy. I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them. You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm. Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors. And I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shaq, who was the white boy with the jumper that had the... I forget his name. From Indiana, you get from Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie, that movie was crazy.

53:26Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent. But listen, listen, it's all good, man. We love doing this. It's fun today sucked, but it is what it is. We still got football. We still got football, y'all, we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And listen, until next time, we love your Buckeye School Family Buckeye Nation. Go Bucs, as always, peace. It's tax season. And by now, we're all a bit tired of numbers. But here's an important one you need to hear. $16 billion. That's how much money and refunds the IRS

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