OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??

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1:01at committing to your workout, at showing up every day. At bombas, we're pros too. Pro is at making stocks. Our sportist Orban has specialized stocks for whatever sport you're committed to. Running, hiking, golf, Pilates, and so much more. Mabous sweat wicking yarns, blister fighting details, and targeted art support. Bombas sport is pro level stocks from the pros of stocks. For another pro, you go to bombas.com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's bombas.com and use code audio. What's up everybody Thursday evening. I wouldn't say happy Thursday evening, but we know what happened earlier today. We're going to talk about it. But before we do, do me a favor, hit that like button, hit that subscribe button if you have not already. Also for those who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple. Apple people, save us for Apple

2:03podcasts, nine Apple people, go to spreeker.com and save us there. We're going to be talking about the Ohio State game, how state falls, the TCU today, tough game. We're going to talk about it. Obviously a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future. We're going to talk about that as well. But also when you send those wonderful super chats, help us to go towards the pay it forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buck brother brother brother brother. What's up man? I'm sad be my going to lie. I'm sad that that we that we lost today. We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be football football football, which is which is great, which I love talking about. But the

3:07Buck guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today. And just just sad. And you know, you being the excellent great player that you were. I'm more interested in your thoughts initially. Because I've read the the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. For some reason, you know who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the the flack of the game is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought he played pretty good today. And you know, I mean, other than Mowl Blue, who clearly was our best player, I thought Tilly might have been our second or at the worst third best player. But for some reason, he's just catching stress from him. And I just wondered when you were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere? Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad. And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly

4:07played his part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No. But he was being goofy. And he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has some skill for his size. But man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complain about Tilly finishing around a Ram Stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like dude, like, but he is who he is. He average 11 points a game this year. And he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six. He averaged two assists. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half. I'll give you that. I mean, I mean, you know, I just I just feel like like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the game. Like, I felt the rest were letting them play an extremely physical game in the first

5:11half. And I didn't think that a nerd doe house they'd benefit. I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of the game, there were some. I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we're up three and they called a three point play. I'm barely any contact and all they said is a little incongruate. But yeah, no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said Tilly. I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game, you lose a two point game. You have the all-time leading score in the history of a house that basketball. Who averages 20 points a game. And he has one basket in the second half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there. That is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points. One of the all-time leading score in a house that history in a game. And, you know, Bruce Thornton, I couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game ever at a house they may be? No, I mean, he picked the peculiar, I mean, there's never been a bigger game

6:15that he's played worse. You know what I'm saying? Because I mean, there you go. I mean, I think I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all-time leading score in school history. The all-time leading score. And he shot 33% from the field and had one basket in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know. I'm just confused to be honest with you. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy. Like, oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better than the first half. Like, but that's just a carry-over complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly because of the stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton and we'll just talk about the game. So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams like all through the schedule blitz, Bruce Thornton, double shading. Let's think about it. We mostly talk about football.

7:19So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right? Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith's side. Think about it like that. If you don't know basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton gets the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like a diamond like following him around. If you look at what TCU was doing, the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough. You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're when that, when you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack. And when you attack, you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean.

8:19I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated. He was frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game, to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart. Like going into the body of punch instead of pulling up for that little 10-foot shot that he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the same physicality. TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent, like they have, they've been in the tournament in the recent years. We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big. Now, obviously, we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game. But that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back. But it just wasn't enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing because I love

9:22Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent. But I think today showed why yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years. He's been consistent. Great kid. He stayed with a house state. But he's not he's not he's not Michael red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level. Because again, even with that attention on him, yes, be patient. Get it to your guys, but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like Elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead. I know you want to jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life. And having coach not at the highest level, coach a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident

10:25from like the first couple of possessions that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look and then he would go standing at the corner. They had completely buffaloed. And at that point, as the head coach, you have to take the ball a lot of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming the whole first half. I'm like, get let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball out of his hands, you know, and the fact that it took an entire half on something that I literally recognized at 1733 to go in the first first half, it took it. And once we switched to mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing. How can I just I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out? I just I'm I'm just I'm really struggling with like

11:25if somebody's going to take something away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again, because clearly the authority didn't have it, whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered, whatever was going on. Thank you for calling the bomb is comfort line. Bombas makes socks, slippers, teeth, and underwear made with the highest quality material. Press one for comfort, two for style, three for donation. You chose style. Bombas is styles for whatever you enjoy. You can run in bombas, lounge in bombas, dress them up, dress them down, but always give back in bombas, because with every item purchased, another is donated. Bombas, comfort worth calling for. Go to bombas.com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com and use code audio. You're a pro at running your life, at committing to your workout, at showing up every day, at bombas, we're pros too, pros at making socks. Our sportist orban has specialized socks for whatever sport you're committed to, running, hiking, golf,

12:27Pilates, and so much more. Mabas sweat wicking yarns, blister fighting details, and targeted art support. Bombas sport is pro level socks from the pros of socks for another pro. You go to bombas.com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's bombas.com and use code audio. The sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world. Until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed. In fact, one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year. At the American Psychiatric Association Foundation, our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentallyhealthination.org to learn more. He couldn't beat anybody off the dribbling. Why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down at the clock and then

13:29running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, we have got to attack the Mimini people saying, oh, we don't attack or how state doesn't it? We don't. That's not what we plan. I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you. When you've got the ball, I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today, not not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we switched them all, blue though, everything switched. And I just don't understand why Jake Dibler, who I like Jake Dibler, I want Jake Dibler to be successful. How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting?

14:33Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later. Like you said, I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose. Instead of bringing a ball up court, but it was later. And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right, but you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player. Let him work through it. Let him make, you know, good decisions through it and and press through it. And that's what I think Dibler was thinking. But it just obviously it just it didn't work well. But yes, running the offense through mobility was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going, but not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half. And it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in the second half, they stepped up, started playing much better. You know, started matching that physicality.

15:37TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can honestly, bro, we can talk about unless you got more to say about that. We can talk about what everybody's talking about, which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean, that was that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat, the group chat that you can't give up that position. Now, Bynum is a freshman. He's a pretty big physical kid and that TCU kid is no, no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played good defense on punch on that play, but that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him, but that was just tough, man. Nevada, what you got? Well, you know, I'm, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Bynum, you know,

16:38play a little bit or defense on that. Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU. And he was able to wall him off and look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation. I just again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference. But if they run it down to the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball, I'm telling I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the ball across half court. And then we call the time out. You know what I'm saying? Like, like anything you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court. And then you call the time out. I think, you know, but again, that's, that's the kind of thing that this isn't a second guess. This was something I was saying the number 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've got to anticipate that. And you got to be telling the guys, look, when this happens, you know, if they score, get it into the front court. Let's call time out. Let's get something set up. Let's run a play. He was obviously what they were doing. They're coming in high to Tilly. He was

17:38going to go back to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner, you know, jumper. But, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play, but I think the setup to that could have been better. Which goes for the whole day. I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally, you know, game. It's literally the first game of the tournament where we're out already. And it just, you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake Debeler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach. And I think his inexperienced showed. And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been, you know, pretty much on the,

18:42you know, definitely, I think we got to give Debel more time. Now I'm not sure. I'm really, I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his abilities head coach. Maybe that's fair. Maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. Now I hear you. Here's the last play. So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripping to myself like, some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy, I would have gave it to Moby in this situation. I think he's faster

19:43than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter. Like I would, if you're going to draw that up, I would have drew it up for Moby. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior, your all-time leading scorer to get the ball. And you see there's two guys on them. And so, I don't know. That's just me. But yes, I agree that, and I don't want to even say in hindsight, but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys, that should be something you do in practice in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three, or even throw it down low to get a foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate. Now, as far as what you said about Debler, yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach.

20:48I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation success-wise. Maybe if he was brought in three years after the Holtman, and like he went to a Max Koo, cut his teeth, came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good coach. He's bright, but today probably show, like you said, his efficiencies, that he's still learning. And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip, and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster. Period. Now, I told you all, I just want

21:50Buckeye basketball to be a league. I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships, like under that motto, you know, like how we work. Consistently, sweet 16, or you know, like in the tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay, but who are we going to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying, it better be somebody good, better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them. Period. I don't care who it is. Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program, because I want to be fair. Debler is, you know, he made, he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full, you know, deep roster. He hasn't. He has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides,

22:52but either way, I want to fix the question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass, Nevada, by the, a Buckeye, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We went the most big 10 games. We wanted four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him, they respond to him. We got to McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that? Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is like, I'm world-highest at, and you can talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do? You know, I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no, but yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base or you know, I'm saying none of that, but you know, they managed to put

23:57the other team and you know, Pete was kind. I know it's one game and everything else like that, but it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting better? Are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I think for Ohio State, the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going, blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy of dependability. Step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available I Force Max engine. Tundra puts out impressive power, torque and towing performance and the roomy high-tech cabin keeps you connected on the go. Or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile, tough and relentless with available features like crawl control, portable JBL speaker, a power lift gate, so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving. The Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure season after season, mile after mile. So drive one home today, visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota. Let's go places. You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year,

25:05but, you know, is Debra the guy to, you know, are you, are you delaying the inevitable? You know, do you see Jake Debra? Yeah, I mean, I guess the question would be, like, do you think Jake Debra will be the head coach here at Ohio State in five years or 10 years? You know what I mean? Like, do you think he's got that kind of longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical. But, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I just don't, I don't know. And, you know, I, like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding, you know, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in, you know, it's not the Xs and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's and the, and they've got to, you know, they've got to perform. But in basketball of all the games, and the coaches have such an impact because they, they affect everything on in-bounds plays on rotations, you know, with switching

26:07defense. I mean, there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know, a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get the ball into Moby's hands. I mean, I get, you know, trying to play, but if the thing about what you said, if everything you're saying, you're just, they're playing two guys over the top on them, they're shaking the entire defense, they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy to just keep running into that bass front over and over and over again? When you've got, you know, a player Moby who can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that he's, he's a guy. He's a viable option. It's all like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know, so far this year. I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That, that's the thing that's kind of confounding me way more of the so than the, you know, the play design on the last play or, you know, should we have stayed in his

27:09own defense or any of the other, or even his rotations. I mean, even, you know, getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did. I just, I don't know, I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to Moby who, at least go or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know, you know, any, any option you had was bad. That one, 4.3 seconds. Mason, we've all seen the, the Christian Latener thing and we, you know, look, I know it can happen, but it's hard. Right. It's, it's really, really hard. And it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage play, no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, but I don't know. I, I, let me put you, if I'm on Ohio State, I am definitely working the fallances to see who's available and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now. And if you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it. I don't, I don't think, so if you're not going to

28:10keep him long term, then I think you get rid of him now. Okay. I think you just cut your losses and, and move on. Yeah. Question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will. And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden. Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant. Like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him. They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate. Pull it up. Like it was needed. Like boom. Like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leadership be doing. And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was. But you got to find a way. Yes, you want to

29:13be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play. I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it. Boom. Like that was needed throughout the entire gang to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada. I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point. I mean, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway. And shoot. Sienna gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament, you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams and 12s take out fives and whatever. But I don't know Nevada. I mean,

30:13the question for me is, what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer. I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know, what? He might be okay. No. If you fire dealer, go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be a football and go get somebody that says, this is a home run higher. And this is just it, Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball as I am in football. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't know. Oh, um, I just give you a fun fact. It'll fun stat. Um, and just, and then I'll give it to the question. Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the, his first three point of the game in,

31:17with 33, 33 seconds into the game and then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period of time, between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first crazy, between the first 33 seconds and last, so in, in the, the last in 39 minutes, he had one basket. Yeah. You know, you know, you know what I'm saying? And it's just like, that can't happen. No, no, no, look, I mean, 39 minutes at one basket in two free throws. That's all that that was it. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, look, can't oh, how's they do it? Absolutely. And we're like, oh, how's they decide? Navy, Muzzle, uh, they're hockey coached to a new five year contract. Um, you know, keeping her away from Minnesota. I mean, they, oh, how's they can do whatever they want and, and, and basketball, basketball is not in a relevant sport. We're not talking about, you know, archery or, you know, fencing or something like that or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about

32:20basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team. There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success in recent success. So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and trying to see what's available because, you know, I want to see what options they might have for this. Yeah. I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure. Like I said, I, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously basketball is not football, but it's not, I don't know, rifle, or they actually won national championships at a house. They're good too. But you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like I get that. I understand that. But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the basketball

33:21program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that. I don't think it's impossible. You're sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks. And it was, it was an emotional roller coaster today. We're down 15 at the half. I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people, it barring a small miracle. This game is over, which I still stand by that because to me, being able to come back like we did was a small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first half. But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then can crashing down at the end. And it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program past four years. The first time in the tournament in the past four years is tough in

34:21itself. So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question, Mark, for me, what are we going to do? Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds portal? You know, make sure we bring guys in here, not, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in and plug and play and make a big impact and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that's pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah, now I think I'm going to go with my final answer being I think Ohio State's going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely testing the lines with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State is really looking forward. But I just, I think something like this, I mean, I think I think Ohio State fans, you saw from the entry, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team. They really want to get behind the basketball team. But, you know,

35:23something like this where, you know, you're right, the first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five point lead in the second half. And then, you know, you, you, you know, to have, I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience. And, and I mean, I got to say it coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA, even, yeah, I think if we had Chris Holman, I think we'd have won the game for that. But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But I, I, I, I thought, I thought Debra was really bad today. And I, and I've ruined it for I like Debra. I like that. I love that love's brother. I want Debra to be it. But I just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our inbound split, you know, like one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many,

36:27how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff. And I, I didn't even like our in-bounds plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the way we were doing it. Just, it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, criticized it. And so I'm going to go with my final answer is going to be a house. It's going to be looking. But I'm going to, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their, if they're making calls because this is, this is when they start making them right now. Yes. I was going to say, please holler at your sources because I want to know, I want to know, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof with a house they footballed doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's non basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen real quick. And the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time.

37:33And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident approved changes to targeting suspension in one year trial? So here it is. For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game. The division one football, the subdivision oversight committee on Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty. For the 26 season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can participate in the following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required to sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the 2020, 2025 season.

38:35So to me, this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klatt has hated it. He's been pounding the table. Others haven't mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother? Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know, I let me explain to you what the fundamental flaws in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes, I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of I feel a targeting like we know it when we see it. Like so if you have a hit and I'm you know what I'm talking about, you've been in a house they fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits were at the last second,

39:38a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side of the, you know, I'm saying something like that. That that to me is not targeting until so until they I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But yeah, I think until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the when you slow everything down to slow motion. Okay, in slow motion, there's head contact almost every single play. You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90% of the same, you know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm, it could be your hand, it could be your shoulder, it could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact with the head or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to doing the review like that, I really think it's just got to be I've always felt like there should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another

40:39should be a five-yard. I don't know I don't know what exactly with the answers, but I think it's just I don't like the application of the rule in general the way that they do it because I think about that that game that we played against Clemson when we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on the side way on the side way on the the sack of Trevor like to me there is no way in the world that is targeting, but that got called for targeting. And so until you address that to me that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty, the third period, one game, half game, no game, whatever, I just hate the rule period and you know until they change that then you know I don't know where to go with that. I mean what do you think about targeting? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules been been called in recent years? I mean you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up that shine weight targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting.

41:46And it's no it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head sunshine dropped his head right at the moment when shine weight was coming. If he doesn't drop his head they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting like to meter has to be common sense to it. You review it you see all the player dropped his head like come on man like listen I one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's it's a it's a the rule is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy and another game do the same thing I get caught. So listen you spoke my mind I don't really have much else to say you're right on it but that shine weight play against Clemson that was so trash and if I that still haunts me is like two two plays in that game like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom of officiating. So yeah I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting good.

42:49No I know I know the second one was the Akuda one we're you know on the the fumble recurring which is the worst call in the history of calls. But I think it goes to a more basic thing and this is something we've talked about before but it's it's about replay and you know replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field. Indisputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape. I feel the same way should be with targeting. If it's not so clear and obvious you can't call targeting you know with review review should not be I think or oh yeah that looks like or yeah that appears to be it should only be black and white. I think targeting should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white and and I think too many times the review official the guy they want to get involved they want to make the big call they want to do the thing and I just

43:51think until they change that until they get the application right um um replay I think it troubles into um into targeting as well. I think they should be the same standard indisputable video it should have to be it's indisputable video evidence of targeting like there's no question in your mind it shouldn't be well yeah that that kind of looked like that or wow he did come drop a cell and there's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty that's just where I'm at and that's how I feel about review about replay and and you know I've been saying that for years about replay. Yep you have you've been consistent with replay and so I agree I mean I don't dislike this one year trial I think it's cool that guys aren't I think it predict protects guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game your best player because of a bad call so I like that now what's going to happen after that trial we'll see but I thought that was interesting

44:51in the midst of the NCAA tournament I thought that was a significant piece of uh information to update so definitely wanted to run that by one but listen uh tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end it is what it is uh we'll see how the future holds with Devler and what a house date does and all that and we'll absolutely keep you up on that but spring practice is back next week we'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with content and coverage all things buckeye football basketball whatever's relevant we're going to hit you with any last words Nevada foe hop off here well yeah now that I mean look we can officially kind of close the book on buckeye basketball you know obviously they'll you know kind of work on get ready for for next year be interested to see who they who they return who they get in the portal you know what's going on with that but um you know hey buckeye football is going and we're gonna have it we're gonna have a scrimmage next weekend and that that'll be those are always fun because then we really

45:52get to see them in the bulge of line for sure and top Gs in a super chat uh thanks for the 199 gotta go this program needs a caliperio patino so yeah we're going to see we are going to see I agree we deserve an elite coach um or you know are we can Devler be an elite coach three four years from now maybe is it worth waiting to see I don't know either way we you know is we going to see in Nevada I'm waiting to hear from your contacts your agent folks to see what's really going on but you know time will tell I will tell um what do you think about those names caliperio patino I know he doesn't mean literally them but it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach would you think about that well I you know I I wouldn't mind somebody with some stature I wouldn't even mind somebody with some stature in some baggage I don't that that stuff doesn't bother me I think I think all of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they want about that but that's just the way that I feel I feel like I

46:55I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is so if they had to get somebody with some that's that I don't have a problem with it either that or you know you you go with the last honest man the last honest man in coaching you know you get from the cheese it to get b-moses you you get b-moses and you bring them in there and you're like look we're going to go with ethicalness we're going to go with you you're kind of coach Carter you can put like hey you were like my reputation's up there on the wall there guys I'm just putting them up there and then leaves the victory the old like you did the cheesets and the cheesets came together like this year they were like like a like a disperited group they got there and you molded them into champions they all woke up with the cheesies when at the end of the day you know so easy they're definitely cheesies at the end of the day do I have my cheesy graphic where's my cheesy graphic I didn't upload it here did I didn't get I wanted to share it on my house to upload oh no there it is there it is right here did it pop up oh there you go

48:02that's got to be that's got a Halloween costume that's got to be a Halloween costume that is bad to be a Halloween costume oh man that is hilarious I'm available though I'll tell you what I would recruit well I know how talk to the young boys young boys oh I'm sure I'm sure you better put them a little bit out there just they may say hey look play a little one-on-one there and if I beat you then you you can do I say then you commit deal son he started raining by the night i'm not worried about that right now don't worry about that don't worry about that don't worry about the old man don't decide right right what about Oh, it sounds like it's a scene from, um, uh, why am I, why is the movie escape me? Uh, Denzel Washington, Ray Island, Jesus Shuttle's word. Um, he got gang. I don't know if you see that before. Oh, yeah. I know. Is his dad, he's playing one on one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go, go watch it. If you're watching.

49:06I'm thinking, I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick Nolti. Look, a good honest guy. I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them. You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm. Happy was the name. Happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors and, uh, I mean, they had Penny Hardaway, Shack, uh, who was the white boy with the jumper to have the try. I forget his name. For Indiana, you get for Indiana, right? Yeah, that movie that was, that movie was crazy. Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent. But listen, listen, it's all good. Man, we love doing this. It's fun today sucked. But it is what it is. We still got football. We still got football. Y'all, we got it. We're going to be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And uh, listen, until next time we love your Buckeye Scoot Family Buckeye Nation. Go Bucs, as always, please.