No Verdict, No Closure

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2:00To celebrate and enjoy the unofficial end of the summer. Kids getting ready, go back to school. Lots happening in the news. And of course, we would be remiss if we didn't start off by talking about this Lindsey Clancy trial, which has been kind of gripping the nation for a while. Here we get to the mistrial conclusion. We're not going to dwell on that for the hours that we get to talk about. But you can't not talk about it. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to take your calls. Number to call in is 1-800-941-7326. 1-800-941-Sean. So we're going to be taking some else. I'd love to get your feedback in your hearing because it here which you have to say because this really does polarize people one direction another. I got some personal feelings. I'll probably let those out a little bit too. But let's also remember we got three dead children. So that'll be interesting to see what your take is on this.

3:03And where this goes next because, you know, Justice has to prevail in this country. But let's hear what you have to say 1-800-941-Sean. The mistrial today was, I mean, all the drama that was going on, the jury's been out there deliberating for day after day after day. Notes going back and forth with the judge. But there was a little bit of frustration along the way. So let's start with cut two. This is Kevin Reddington, Lindsey Clancy's attorney, making some demands. The court has an instruction from the four person of that jury that's been working for a week now saying that there's one juror who refuses to listen to the law that you've given him or her on reasonable doubt. And I suggest respectfully that the soft instruction that you gave them saying at the sidebar, can you listen to the law as I instruct you, does not focus on the issue. It is the question is not sufficient enough.

4:05It does not allow any foundation for a motion to remove the juror who refuses to accept your instructions on the law on reasonable doubt. And if we come back here in a half an hour with a mistrial because of a juror that has just spurned the instructions of this court, it's a shame. It's a real shame. And that's why I object to the court's ruling. I request that we have further inquiry. I request that my motion is to remove this juror that refuses to listen to your instruction on reasonable doubt. Really what he's saying is remove the juror that disagrees with the other 11, but you know what, that's not the way our system works. Unfortunately for that attorney who wants to see it go now, they are always guessing there was always speculation but based on the question and the way it was presented a lot of people are presuming that 11 were going one direction one was going the other direction. But we don't know the specificity of it, but certainly that attorney thought that he had clarity on that and the judge, well let's just say he didn't take to that too well. Let's play cut three.

5:17Would ask that you specifically direct their attention to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and re-instruct them on that forcefully. Did they yesterday, didn't they? Yes. You did yesterday, you did it soft, you didn't do it forcefully and I'm asking maybe what do you want me to do? I want to get a brass band. I read the instruction as written by the SJC. The fact that I perhaps didn't give it my full inflection, I'm sorry about them, I'm an actor. I've just given the instructions. Well, my point, simply is that you're kind of glossing over the issue, the issue is. This juror will not, according to that note, apply the law of reasonable doubt. I am specifically not glossing over this issue. I have thought about this issue long enough. I know the definitive jacks, but the characterization that I'm glossing over it, trust me, that's not the situation.

6:20I've been thinking about this for quite a while. I'm not going to reiterate the reasonable doubt at this point. It may come to that again as we go through it. And I'll try and give this with more pizzazz than I gave yesterday I suppose. Look, I'm not an attorney and I know that sounds like I'm bragging, but I'm not an attorney. And even though it's on the House Judiciary Committee when I was in Congress once upon a time. But I got to tell you, it's not often that you have a judge kind of backing up a little bit saying, oh, you know, I'll try to give it with more pizzazz. I sorry, I didn't bring out the brass band. I thought it was a bit presumptuous on that defense attorney, but I profile case. Cameras in the courtroom. I think you get a little bit different flavor and maybe a different response with those cameras rolling knowing that all the networks are out there rolling on this and making it happen. But ultimately it ended in what a lot of people anticipated today because they hadn't been able to reach a verdict earlier. And that is a mistrile. So let's go to cut number four.

7:29All right, council, it's my understanding that the SJC issued their order that the emergency request for relief was denied and the temporary stay is lifted. And so it would be my intention at this time to call the jurors back in. And as I indicated to you before to declare mistrile. And that's exactly what happened. He came in and did a mistrile afterwards press conference happens. There are various attorneys coming out state and their things. The prosecutor interestingly enough for Plymouth County there decided not to tell or foreshadow what he may or may not doing. And also interesting is one of the things that came out from the defense attorney is they weren't necessarily going to appeal that they wanted to give right back after another trial. So we'll see how it plays out. I think a lot of people wanted to see a conclusion of this. And the conclusion was there's no conclusion. So that's the way we leave it going into the labor day weekend again.

8:36890941 Sean dial up 1 800 941 S E A and love to hear your thoughts on this. Want to take some calls in a little bit. But I got to touch on some other things as we're kicking off this. And again, allowing me Jason Chavis to fill in for Sean truly appreciate it. The thing that probably does affect you your loved ones your life and everything else were some amazing numbers that came out today. Now I don't want your eyes to gloss over. But these are really important because the economy really showed some strength today. I mean, it was like multiple times higher than what they were guessing was going to happen. The number of the employment number was jumped way up the labor participation rate jumped 0.02 percent 683,000 more people involved and engaged. Here's the best thing that I think for those that want to see success in our government. Look, as a conservative, I truly believe in limited government.

9:38You have to actually have limitations on your government. Now I remember doing the Biden administration that and the Obama administration month after month after month, you'd say, oh, the employment numbers up. And then you would look down the list and you'd say, why are the employment numbers up. And they would say, oh, well, look at all the growth of government jobs. How they did that month after month after month, but you know, when you add trillions of dollars to your spending, what do they do? They hire more government workers and you get more government workers. What do you get? You get more regulators. You get more regulators. Now there is a very limited role for government. But you know, some people don't see it that way. Certainly the Democrats, the socialists, the communists, they don't see it that way. They're always arguing, hey, we're one good tax increase away from prosperity in this country. We need more money. The cupboards are bare. I remember Nancy Pelosi would argue and they want more government, because they want more government workers. But President Trump does not get enough credit for doing one of the most important things. And that is to cut back the federal workforce. In fact, the public workforce number is like at a record low as a proportion to where we've been out in the past.

10:53So that is, I mean, if you go out and look on the internet and actually go through this and say, well, how does that affect me in my life? Well, for every dollar that you're having to spend a government, guess what? You're pulling one out of your wallet and it's going to somebody else. So you want more money in your wallet. You want less inflation. You want more purchasing power. That's a key indicator. So I know there's this, there's Lindsey, Clancy, trial. We've got a lot of other things going on in the world. We're going to talk about all those. But I don't know as a guy who kind of gets giddy over this sort of stuff. I think it's really important that the numbers that came out today from the White House, they were impressive. And you may not digest them all. You may not go back to the kitchen table and regurgitate them. But I tell you, there are hundreds of thousands of families that are now participating in the workforce and have new jobs and putting money in their wallets and can get jobs. Guess what happens? They go out and spend that money.

11:58But for the economy. So that's really good stuff. The other part of this, and we're going to talk about this Lindsey, Clancy, trial. Again, the number 80941 Sean 80941 Sean, I can see the board is light now lighting up here. We're going to get to some quite to some questions and comments. But at last point here, there is a direct proportion to what President Trump and his administration is doing by increasing the number of deportations. So guess what happens? Deportation numbers are up. Labor participation is up. Number of people participating in the workforce is up. Even though some of these other numbers are going down like the illegal immigration population isn't amazing how that works. You know what else that helps housing. I hear about affordability all the time. Oh my gosh. And I saw one number one time. Oh, we're 20 million homes short in America. Oh, well, we have what roughly 20 million people here illegally. Amazing how that might work.

13:05You get a bunch of deportations. What's that do the housing markets going to drive down prices drive down prices makes affordability better. They all tie in together. All right, let's go back and talk about Lindsey Clancy because this is certainly you go to the front of any any website or any social media. But let's talk about it because talking about it's a little bit different. So let's go to Margie and Michigan. Margie, what are your thoughts? How are you? Good. Good to chat with you. Well, I was really upset with the verdict. I had five sons and 12 years and anybody who's got kids understands boys at a young age can be a little more difficult. But my kids are my world. I would not survive as long as I survived without them. And I it just breaks my heart. Those three little children gone because their mom who supposedly was a nurse and was taking all these medications. She should know better. And I think she was guilty and God bless the man that that stood up and didn't change his verdict because he had morals enough to understand that she did it.

14:26I have no doubt in my mind that she did it. And the reason being is because oh, she's searching how long it takes to get somewhere. I'm just extremely upset. And I I just can't even understand how any woman or any person would side with her and not think of those children. I'm just well Margie, I think you look everybody's got an opinion. I have one too. You may agree. May disagree with it. I'm with you, Margie. I just look God bless you for raising five boys. I can't only imagine what it was like breakfast time trying to get him out the door for school or the bathroom or anything else. So five boys is a lot. So God bless you and there's a lot of people who do that. You know, my wife and I were blessed with three kids. And now we got six grandkids. I can't believe it. But good for you. I think we need to go back and look out of psychiatrists. I think there is a deal with it. I think there is a deal with it. I think we need to go back and look at how many prescriptions she was doing. I think it's going to set back a lot of things. We have to deal with the mental health aspect in this country. I think that is real. I think both things can be true. But I don't think sitting in that jury. I don't think I could go out and say, no, no, not guilty. We're going to let her off. I just I can do that.

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17:08This is the group that could not figure out the definition of what a woman is. So they're going to have some leadership change and maybe they can go back to the drawing board and go work on figuring out what that is. But the bold move coming in here. The first part of September saying, oh, by the end of December, I'm going to go ahead and leave my job. Probably should have left a long time ago. But big news out of the WNBA hang in there with us. We got Mike Sirelli retired Navy seal. We're going to be talking Iran, which is kind of important. A lot of good men and women serving overseas. Mike Sirelli, one of the sharpest minds, recon marine scout scout sniper retired seal. You're going to love him if you haven't heard him before. Mike Sirelli stay with us. We'll be right back. When fake news gives you lies, Kennedy supplies the truth. Sean Henry is on right now.

18:28Well, almost Sean, Andy, I'm Jason, chief. It's I'm filling in for Sean. You know, we're getting ready for the big Liberty weekend, but I've been texting going back and forth with Sean because he never really truly takes a break. But nevertheless, I still want to take some calls. The phones have been lighting up the number 1 800 941 Sean. So let's go to Steve. He's in Mississippi. Steve, what do you think of this mistrial? As a police officer, I couldn't imagine being the first on the scene and finding those three babies murdered. Then you have to watch 11 sick individuals try to say that she's guilty by she's not guilty by insanity. Of course, she's insane. It would take an insane person to kill your three children. It's just sick. My stomach. And I worry about where this country's going that we're just I mean, the fact that we're even considered letting her off is just makes me sick of my stomach. Thank you for taking my call. No, Steve, like, look, I think you're I think you're feeling what a lot of Americans feel. Certainly what I feel I never give enough credit. We say it a lot. But you can never say it enough. The first responders, whether you be a police officer working in an ambulance, certainly fire.

19:43Wherever it might be or just the innocent person who's just you know, waking up that morning, not expecting to see the horror that they saw there in Massachusetts. And those police officers and those personnel and those detectives and everything else. They not only had to find it, then they had to clean it up. And it's so to go back to that whole process and then. Oh, we got a mistrial. It's just beyond me. I just really don't understand. No. This is what's also great about the United States America. It's why we are different than everybody else. We have these jury trials and you get your peers. Dr. Evier peers swift justice never comes swift enough, but they have to ultimately figure this out. So we'll talk some more about this. We're going to take some more calls 1 89941 Sean. But now we're pleased to have Mike Sirelli. He's a retired US Navy seal recon Marines, Scouts, Niper, all around. Good guy. I've gotten to know him. Just a wonderful human being patriotic is all can be Mike Sirelli. Thank you so much for joining us.

20:57I'm John Anity show. A Jason good to be with you. No, listen, I truly appreciate your service. Can't thank you enough and those who have also served in our serving. And stepping up and engaging in the fight to protect the United States America. We have a lot of Americans right now overseas. In harm's way in a very difficult situation. So let's talk a little bit about Iran. I don't think President Trump, you know, was campaigning and wanting to start his second term by saying, hey, let's go engage in this. In fact, he campaigned on the idea of getting us out of of these forever wars. But at the same time, you know, presidents, CIA directors, uh, secretaries of war, things like that. They get to see intelligence the rest of us don't see. So I think that knowing these people having worked with these people, there's a really compelling reason. I think why they probably did do this. But I think America still has a lot of questions. What's your perspective of what's going on in Iran right now?

22:03Well, Jason, you summarize that well. And maybe the administration has not handled the messaging on this to the public to the best of their ability. So, you know, their job in the indol community as you said, the administration, they can't ignore threats. Even if that threat could be more damaging five years down the road, it takes a lot of courage for national leaders to step up and do the right things. And President Trump has done that. I did to put this or summarize this into why we know they did this was one, their missile manufacturing capacity was was going exponential, which would have been a much much tougher threat to take down in the future. It would have been a much bloodier war. But you paired that with their nuclear ambitions and enriching nuclear material to weapons grade paired with those missiles. That becomes a much more dangerous threat, not only to the region Europe, but eventually the citizens of the United States. So, I have nothing but applause for leaders that step up and do the unpopular thing of the right thing, even if Americans can't see it.

23:09I think that's where time will actually prove out President Trump in making tough difficult decisions. I know there's a faction of the country. It's just got Trump during children syndrome, no matter what he does. But let's remember this huge contrast because between Obama and Biden certainly and Kamala Harris, their solution was just a pieceman. Hey, let's send them pallets of cash. Can we get along with them nicer? Can we do a big group hug? I mean, that is not what's going to make the world safer. And the one thing that's also done is that it is dried up the funding that has gone to Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis and other would be terrorists to fight and do things to the United States and to our allies that is just unfathomable. So, there has been huge progress. It's not over yet. I think the president does wish he could get it behind him. I do think he wishes he could get that open. But I'm also, I mean, you served and when you're in your capacity, you go overseas. I just still don't understand why NATO and other freedom-loving countries, you know, just can't step up and pull their weight and do their fair share because it feels like the US does everything. And these guys just kind of sit on their hands and reap all the benefits.

24:31First to fight, first to fund it, first to take the major pain. And it is concerning. And I think it just shows how far we're growing away from our allies in terms of our vision of the future and in our will to actually step up and do what's right. I think pain is a great motivator. And I think our allies are starting to experience the pain with the energy markets. And maybe it just, it's going to take to a point where they recognize they can no longer ignore this and they have to get involved. And I think that speaks to this war. And again, I think the administration could have set expectations much like the global war and terror. The administrations didn't set great expectations that this may not be a decade or two long fight. This is going to be a generational fight to stamp out an ideology. So, you know, what we're seeing right now is it's a test of wills. Basically Iran has their gun out of the holster, so do we. Their military has been so severely degraded. Their strike capability is not what it was. Do they still have residual missile and drone capability? Are they conducting strikes? Yes.

25:38But they know they can't win against the the will. And so when I say it's a it is now a fight of wills who can endure the longest the economic pain we're putting on them. The diplomatic alignment we're seeing in the region. And again, I think I've actually the allies I do foresee when the pain becomes intolerable to to their economies, they will get involved. We just got to stay the course on this. And the election cycle is America's biggest weakness. And you know that our adversaries look at that and just say we just got to last until the next administration gets into power and they'll have a different vision of strategy moving forward. What we're doing on an economic basis. They're crippled. Now we can't enact regime change without ground troops. It doesn't mean it needs to be American ground troops. Ultimately, there has to be a covert part of this war where we start arming training and facilitating you know the citizens of Iran to rise up against the regime.

26:39Iran is in a bad situation right now economically. We know that they have to look north south east and west at external enemies when they truly have to start looking inside and fighting on two fronts. That's when regimes become brittle and that's what can enact or implement regime change. And that's just going to take time. And unfortunately, you know patriotism and war have a shelf life in America, which we need to get over that. You know when something is just and it has strategic justification, we use the American people need to align and have the will to see to the end. Yeah, I think I was going to mention I think our enemies in this look we've been fighting sometimes hot sometimes gold but is still I had a major adversary in a run for 47 plus years. And so I think Donald Trump the president looked at this and said, I'm not we're not doing this anymore. We're not going to appease you. We're not going to let you get a nuclear weapon. We're not going to let you continue almost on a daily basis to attack pinpricks of United States, which are real lives right there.

27:45And not just pinpricks, they're they're actually real lives. And and they also saw a strong vibrant. President Trump reconstructing the middle east to be more conducive to a safe and free world. I mean that I mean the Abraham Accords, the promises and the calmness that was entering in the new trade that was going in there. That was all in our best interest and all part of what was out there. So I do think the president needs to continue to explain and show and a lot of times they can't right they can't show the classified intelligence. But there's a reason why we have to do some of the things we do and I think it's a fair thing to ask questions about it. Nobody wants it to go on forever. I think you're right the adversary though they do want to draw out. This is long as they can because a strong environment president Trump is the worst thing that they want to see. And by all accounts, you know, I think the Republicans have a real shot at holding both the House and the Senate, which is sort of the worst nightmare for somebody like an Iran for a Putin for President G in China. They they do not want this because his political strength internally is not good for them.

29:08You're absolutely correct. Well, he's done with the Middle East and the alignment we're seeing. I mean, even the defense back between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is a step forward and we're seeing alignment between the golf partners that we haven't seen before. I mean, small in the news and didn't get much coverage, but Saudi Arabia just officially removed all anti-Semitic material from from any of their schools. We're seeing the potential. He's too to point out of Abraham's court, but you know, moving out of out of that hemisphere, look what he's done in the western hemisphere. Venezuela, which the left, you know, years before we're saying that you know, Maduro needed to be removed, but the second Trump does it. They they cry foul. He just removed our adversaries from the western hemisphere. He is he's he's in he's enacting victory after victory in the left just can't give him credit for how he's changing the geopolitical chessboard to benefit America and to benefit the entire world.

30:08And you know, I wasn't the biggest Obama fan, but you had to give him credit were credit to do on certain things, even with the global war in terror. He made some great decisions. He was aggressive in certain ways where you know, I may disagree with his domestic policies, but you have to give people credit and elect just won't do that for this president. Yeah, no, look when when president Obama decided to pull the trigger and take out a summer bin Laden. It was the right calls a difficult call was something that Joe Biden said he wouldn't do. But I'll give him credit for that. I disagree with him on, you know, 99% of the other things, but where there's credit to it is the president of the United States. And we do want them to succeed. And in that case, it was the it was the right thing to do tough call and give him credit for doing it. Mike Sirelli retired US Navy CL all around great American. Thank you so much for joining us on the Sean Hannity show. Do appreciate it. All right, Mike. Thank you and stay with us. We'll be right back. We got a lot more coming up, including Congressman Pat Fowl and at the top of the hour.

31:29We're going to be talking to Congressman Pat Fallon about act blue. You're not going to want to miss that. So stay with us. So we're going to be talking to Congressman Pat Fallon about act blue. You're not going to want to miss that. So stay there for that. But before we go to one more commercial break, let's go to Lorraine. She actually lives in Massachusetts Lorraine your thoughts on what happened today. Hi Jason. I'm calling from Boston the mega medical capital of the United States. If not the world with the best medical colleges universities ever. This girl should not be the only one on trial. The medical professionals that took care of her should also be on trial. You can even get an antibiotic in the state when you have a virus.

32:33But this poor woman was prescribed so many anti-psychotic medicines, anti-depression medicines with all these side effects. How come the insurance companies allow this and pay for this when you can't even get an antibiotic in this state. It's awful. Someone needs to be accountable for the sake of those three babies that died. There should be new bills passed in Congress that have control over these medicines that cause these terrible side effects on people that are normally normal and then get on these anti-psychotic medicines and lose their mind and kill their children. Someone needs to be accountable and there's no accountability for them in Boston in this capital of Harvard and all these wonderful hospitals and doctors. They prescribe these medicines like candy. Lorraine, I got to tell you make a lot of really good points. I think mental health is a real issue and it takes some serious thought and there are too many people that are slipping through the cracks.

33:37But somebody does need to be accountable. You look at the prescriptions that are going out the door, pill here, pill there, all that. And you're right. Then somebody gets a urinary track infection and what? You can't go get a prescription. Something over the counter. There's such an imbalance and you know what? I think psychiatry, the profession needs to step up and say how are we going to prevent something horrific like this from happening again. I really, really appreciate it. You know, at the end of the day, we got three dead kids, three dead kids and we're going to go back to the weekend and say, yeah, well, all right, we had a mistrial unbelievable to so many of us. And Massachusetts, aren't you the one that, you know, go ahead and kill a kid right before it's born? Yeah, they're good with that too. I don't know what's going up on Massachusetts, but they got to figure it out. I'm Jason Chavitts, filling in for Sean Hannity. Stay with us. Pat Fallon coming up next.