NFL Draft Special: RBs 1-10 with Brett Whitefield (Ep. 309)

0:00This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human Kraken is built to make crypto simple. By Bitcoin, Ethereum, and over 450 other assets in seconds, fast account funding, fast with draws, and recurring buys if you want to stay on schedule. Simple, secure, and trusted for over 14 years. Download Kraken on the App Store or Google Play. That's KRA KEN. Not investment advice. This trading involves risk of loss and is offered to US customers excluding New York and Maine through Payward Interactive Incorporate. View legal disclosures at Kraken.com slash legal slash disclosures, terms and conditions apply. All right, and welcome into the fantasy pros, NFL draft show, the St. Patrick's Day festivities are officially upon us, which means the NFL draft will be here before you know it. So we'll begin to break down and get you up to speed on the 2026 rookie running back class by breaking down the top 10 prospects at the position. I'm your host Seth Woolcock and I'm lucky enough to be joined by a few good men today, including a man who I'm sure used to run some green beers back in the day on Bourbon

1:03Street. That's right. He's downtown Derek Brown, Debro, great to see you. How are you as we gear up to get into this rather lackluster running back class in the next two episodes? I can definitely tell you there was a lot of green bourbon shots or just bourbon shots, a lot of Jameson in my history, not a lot of beer, not a fan, not a fan of the bloat, not a fan of the IPAs. These IPAs could suck it. Hey, don't hate them. But Brett looks like an IPA guy just kidding. I would never insult you like that Brett. I'm not an IPA guy. See? See? He has tastes buds, Seth. I hate that. Hey, I'm not. You know, IPAs like the last beer, like I usually just keep them stocked up in the fridge. Like someone will give me a sick pack for Christmas and then I try to pawn them off to people when they come over. And if I'm like, I'm out of domestics, then I'm, I'm going to be fired up in IPA. That's about it. Derek, as you alluded to, we do have a special guest for us today and it's a man who looks like he was probably wants a bouncer at an Irish bar because he remains absolutely properly jacked every time I see him. He's the owner and the COO of fancy points and the co-host of First Readies, Brett Whitefield

2:08Brett. Did I assume correctly where you want checking people in and out of the local pub? I have indeed had that as one of my occupations. Are you serious? I didn't even know this. Yeah. Okay. All arts background plus the size, just an automatic, you know, kind of thing there. So here we go. Well, the look at, the look does not fail you still have it today, my friends, as, as noted on today's program, we're going to break down the top 10 running back prospects of this draft class. If you enjoy this type of content, just reminder, please give us a video a quick thumbs up and also make sure you subscribe to the fans, pros, dynasty YouTube channel. Also if you're into just NFL and you don't play fans football, consider subscribing to the brand new channel and the audio feed for the tailgate. That is the brand new spot to talk all general NFL happenings, D bro, you and Joe did a great job last week breaking down everything for the max trials, be trade and NFL mock draft and plus the free agency happenings, my friend. That is also known as Eric DeCostigate for those who are not initiated. Fair enough.

3:08And also if you want a chance to win a sign, Colston, Loveland, Bears, Mini, Helmet, for free, courtesy of our friends over at pristine auction.com. All you need to do is subscribe to the fantasy pros, dynasty YouTube channel. Right now, drop a comment below on any of our videos and that's it. We will announce a winner right here on the program. So make sure you ring that bell so you can be alerted when we have new videos up and to claim your prize for you are that lucky winner. And gentlemen, let's go ahead and jump right into the prospect starting at the top of the board with Jeremiah Love out of Notre Dame at six foot, two hundred and twelve pounds and coming off a one hundred, one thousand one hundred yard rushing season nineteen toe touchdowns. Love a year ago was most analysts and scouts are be one coming into 2025 and I certainly bought it. I had an 80 to one Heisman ticket. I was riding all the way to New York and then went on to just increases output by another two hundred rushing yards, two touchdowns as past season state healthy. All year long, which was a big thing. We need to see him after getting banged up down the stretch in the CFP a year ago, wins a dope walker award, former four star recruits got the home run hitting ability at the four

4:10three six speed in the 40. So Brett, are you a believer in the love hype and where do you think he ultimately lands in the NFL draft? Oh, I'm a huge believer in the love hype. Let me just start with this. So I've been doing, you know, I have a numeric scoring system is the way I evaluate prospect. So it's a weighted scale. There's four major buckets and it produces a score on a scale of zero to one hundred. I've been doing this for 12 years. This is my 12th draft class. There's only two running backs. I've ever scouted. I had a higher score than Jeremiah Love and that was Christian McCaffer and B. John Robinson. So he's up there with some of the best I've ever seen. I've compared him to thicker Jameer Gibbs. I think that's his play style. He's dynamic in the past game. I love everything about him. I think he should be a top five pick in the draft. I got a mock draft dropping on fantasy points.com this week that's going to have him going to overall to the Jets. Wow. Wow. Yeah. That would certainly shake some things up. Hopefully they get rid of Reese Hall if that's the case. Derek, where do you think things shake out with love and it seems like since all the

5:10mock drafts we've been doing from a dynasty lens as well that he is your consensus 101 of this class, even in super flex formats. Easy 101. There's not even a conversation. Doesn't matter format. Doesn't matter anything. Love is I'd say over the last five years, he is probably second best for me as far as running back prospect, probably tied with Jameer Gibbs. I just think he's a I mean, all of the hype and everything is all deserved. He is absolutely fantastic. The thing Brett shared his comp my comp for him is I think he can be everything that everybody wanted Reggie Bush to be to be in the NFL. I think he's absolutely fantastic and the thing about his game and we can talk about the easy acceleration, the speed, the tackle breaking ability, just how well rounded his game is. You can talk about the fact of like with his short area agility. The dude runs routes like freaking like a freaking wide receiver. So he truly is a past game weapon and bread.

6:11I know you subscribe to this too. Few running backs. I mean, even if we want to like zoom this out to like like last 10 years, few running back prospects come out that are true past game weapons, like guys will get the moniker of like, oh, he's really getting the past game and then you watch the film and it's like nothing to dump off and swing routes, flat routes and stuff. And they're not that like the the narrative around the player and the actual skills that they come to the NFL with are not it doesn't match up. He does for Jeremiah love for me and the one part of his game that I don't think gets talked about enough and I'm curious where he at on this bread with his frame. I think he runs with underrated power, man, like you see this guy finish runs very strongly. They're not going to be pulling him at the goal line in the NFL. I mean, obviously the draft capital. You don't think that's going to happen anyway, but from his size and play standpoint, I don't think his ability as an interior runner and the power aspect that he brings with that frame and the speed, I think that part of his game doesn't get discussed enough.

7:12But just before I kick this over to Brett, I don't think Brett, I know you've been on this for a long time. He is not going to go outside the top five in the NFL draft. He's not getting past the Tennessee Titans. He's not getting past New York Giants in the NFL draft. I will confidently say that now and I know Brett's been on this for weeks and weeks and weeks, mocking him to what the Titans and the Giants bread, right? Yeah. And then now the Jets. Yep. Yeah. To your point about the play strength and the toughness inside as a runner, I totally agree. I mean, I do think 212 is light for him. I think he plays bigger than that. Right. I think he lost weight to go run fast. The comment is what I'm saying. I think Notre Dame listed him at 222 or something like that. So he's probably more of like a 216, 218 pound back. And that's in the modern NFL. That's plenty big. That's 18 pounds heavier than Jemir Gibbs, you know? So yeah, it's plenty big, but you see the play strength. My favorite thing about him though is the way he changes angles in a hurry. So so tacklers don't get a big piece of him and it allows him to break so many tackles

8:15because it's not just the speed and the the juke moves and the spin move. It's the fact that just at the last second, he can reposition his body so that a linebacker isn't catching a big piece of him. It's more of like a half-witted tackle. Those are easy to break. He's going to move piles, move chains, score touchdowns, all that stuff. Yeah, he's absolutely a bellcaught type running back. I think that skill that you just highlighted too, as well as if we add on the lack of mileage on Jeremiah Love because he's not a player that like was just used and run into the ground. Like we're not having the Jonathan Taylor conversation of yesterday year of like how many touches or too much touches. But those like the fact that he didn't get worn down in college and what Brett just talked about, I think both of those things talk about like where you're talking about taking a player inside the top 10 of the NFL draft in the injury risk. No, they're all gladiators and playing a really physical and demanding sport. But what we're talking about here, that lack of mileage and the skill that Brett just

9:17kind of laid out here, that helps to like decrease the injury risk for a player like that. If you're going to be a franchise that takes him inside the top five or 10. It's preservation for sure. And that's my favorite thing about Jumir Gibbs as well. Gibbs is the same way. I've called them bulletproof. He's a 200 pound running back who touches the ball 300 times plus a year and hasn't been hurt. So he's two games as a rookie. Hasn't been hurt since he's been the bell cow in Detroit. But it's that flexibility in the body to to contort his himself at impact at the point of impact. So he's not taking big shots. And I think love has the same trait. When I think part of that lack of mileage also has to do with the next running back prospect here. Jadarian price also out of Notre Dame four star prospect out of South Bend here, total 1600 rushing yards, 12 toe touchdowns the past two seasons, playing really the Robin to Jeremiah loves Batman here. And this is another guy I think he has elite vision, strong in the yards after contact, the explosive run rate metric came in at 510, 203 pounds at the combine, ran a 4.49 second

10:1840, giving him an 8.39 relative athletic score, Brad's courtesy of a math bomb over there. So D bro, prices seemingly slid into the consensus RB two slot for most people. Is that where you currently have him and are you pretty, pretty convinced at this point that he is a day to pick? I think you will be a day to pick. Now right now, confidently, he is not my, he is my RB two, but I will say this that draft capital could change this, and I don't want to get too far ahead here, but the guy that is competing with him right now for like RB two and some of the draft capital stuff is my, my Washington junior and depending and only say this because I think price does go ahead of him in the NFL draft, but the NFL double count speed all the freaking time, my Washington junior going out and just testing like an alien cannot be discounted here. So two players, because it's not like we don't have questions about the, the prospect profile for a gerigerian price, I would have loved to be stated in college another year and we got the full bell count workload and then he came out with like a little bit more

11:21substance to it, but even in the limited sample, we got like he's top 25 in yards of the contact for attempt last two years and I don't really care about anybody worried about the lacking speed like he ran as fast as I thought he was going to run. I thought he was going to be a mid four fours guy, maybe even like a low four five guy, and that's totally fine, man, because I think he's got the burst and enough speed to be a scheme agnostic running back like the contact balances there, the lower body strength is there. He could run in the interior and he has enough speed to consistently gain the edge and the lateral agility to work on stretch zone plays. So I know we have, we have concerns about the limited and I want to say the extremely limited pass catcher profile for a gerigerian price, but like 18 targets in college, he did have zero drops when he was asked to be utilized as a pass catcher. He was good at it. So I'm not, it's a lot of projection with that.

12:21The bigger part that and I'm curious where Brett, where you fall on this is it's not so much the ability to operate as a check down option and a passing tack in the NFL. I think gerigerian price can do that. I don't know. I don't think that he has like the true athletic upside to ever become a pass game weapon, but what are your thoughts about his past protection skills, because that's the part of his game where I'm kind of like, it could be an adventure, dude, and if we have concerns about the the past catching profile, I don't want to like pigeonhole him into being just an early down guy and like, are we worried about that impacting him in the NFL? But if it is a concern, where do you fall on that, Brett? Well, it's really funny, because my working playstyle comp for him is Kenneth Walker the third. We have all of these same discussions about Kenneth Walker the third until like three weeks ago. You know what I mean? So here's a thing with with price. It's like the resume is not really there.

13:22It just even in pass, bro, there's not enough reps. And these guys drill pass bro for like literally three minutes a week in college. Yep. And so I'm going to guess he's not ready for the NFL just because he wasn't asked to do it ever in live game situations. As far as like his ability as a pass, like a receiver or like a high end one, I think he has the physical traits. I'm first of all like what world are we living in where like four, four, nine is considered slow for running back? Yeah. That's plenty fast. This isn't a wide receiver that needs like separate ones. I agree. This is a running back. It's the burst. The short area quickness. That's just insane. The wiggle that he has the ability to string multiple cuts together at one time, cut off one foot. It's a elite tier for me for for for generic price. But what that suggests is his ability to sink and explode on command suggests he should be a fantastic route runner if he puts in the time to develop that skill. So I think there is a really high ceiling for him in the past game. It's just whether he gets there or not. It's totally going to depend on where he lands, who his coaches are, what they want him to invest in.

14:23For now, I do view him as an early down grinder like a Kenneth Walker type where you go big play hunting with him. He's going to have a ridiculously high force, mistackle rate, the NFL, hopefully a pretty big explosive run rate as well. I think that's my issue is just the lack of pass catching production. And like I get it's tough so you can kind of roll out 2024 just because you're working with a quarterback and Riley Leonard that isn't super friendly to checking down to running back. He's just going to take off himself. And then this year it felt like they really would use Jordan Fazon, a lot that dull threat player who also really great at lacrosse, they put him in the back field occasionally if they wanted a little more juice out of the past catching role and Jeremiah love wasn't on the field. So I'm actually like pretty much like, are you still RB two on him Brett because I'm substantially lower in my rankings. Yeah. I'm RB two rather come with this class is pretty buns. So. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I don't disagree about that about the run of a class at all. So not saying a lot there. Let's move forward then. And if you're looking for the running back prospect in this class with elite trades look

15:25no further than Mike Washington junior out of Arkansas, he was just a two star recruit from Northern New York began his career at Buffalo in the Mac and then transfers to another G five school in New Mexico state before eventually landing near in Fayetteville where finished fifth in the in rushing in the SEC over 1000 yards average 6.4 yards per carry the second best in the conference. And I think that's really impressive because he was able to generate those explosive runs at one of the highest clips in the conference and he did that behind in Arkansas line that was really near the bottom of the SEC in run block win rate. So for me, I think it all comes back then to that combine performance, right checks in at 632 21 runs a 4.33 second 40 whoever had that ticket, please stand up because my goodness, I don't think Derek even I we did a combine predictions and best bets up. So we did not expect that 10 foot eight inch broad jump then 39 inch vertical finish with a perfect 10.0 rise the best running back since 1987. So Brett, as someone who has been immersed into the college football scene as much as you

16:27were, what are your takeaways from Washington just rising up draft board, seemingly more than any of the running back in this pre draft process in his in his prospect profile that I wrote up for for my prospect guide, which will be out in a few days, by the way, you know, one of the things I noted that I loved about Washington is that every time he he transferred twice, both times he transferred his play on the field elevated. And so he, you know, it wasn't like he was started a small school was dominant to a bigger school than was just, okay, the efficiency dropped no, his efficiency went up every jump that he made. And I think that's really promising for for his career and taking that next leap into the NFL. So I'm pretty bullish on Mike Washington. He was my RB three before the combine for what it's really comfortably as well. I think, you know, price in Washington are kind of in their own tier. And then there's another big tear gap after that. But I have three day two running backs or day one or day two running backs in this class. Washington's one of them. But there's just a lot to like about his game. The way he runs is very angry and violent.

17:29He talks with his pads. He's a finisher or a tone setter, but he's got that home run hitting potential. And he's he's a really underrated pass down option. Now, I don't think he's a pass down weapon like we were breaking down with what Jeremiah love in the slot and generate mismatches. But as far as like being a really competent receiver, run after catch phenom and then awesome in pass protection. That's Mike Washington, Jr. Yeah. And Derek, I think the interesting thing that Brett brings up is that, you know, you start in the Mac, you go to CUSA and then you go to SEC and then it feels like every single step along the way. Mike Washington continue to get better right before he breaks out here in the pre draft process. I'd freaking love this kid. I mean, Seth, you and I talked to a pre pre combine. I said he was the most underrated running back in this entire class. And I know this class is an amazing, but before the combine, you didn't hear a lot of people talking about Mike Washington, Jr. I knew Brett was similarly high on him. We were talking back and forth in text messages about him and I just he's a locked in three down running back for me. The past protection skills are freaking amazing.

18:30Like over the last two years, 140 pass blocking snaps is dude's given up one sack and six hurries. And he's an automatic guy where if an NFL team drafts him, like I talked about Giderian price and some of the limited like reps that he has in past, bro, we don't have no in my wash. So a team could draft him and I won't be shocked like after he blew up the freaking combine, I will be shocked if he goes at the end around two in the NFL draft. Like because again, teams do double count speed and testing. They could say that they don't like it said we see it year after year after year after year. And Mike Washington, Jr., like, it's not only the three down skills that like Brett talked about, I think you could utilize him in the passing game and he's going to be really good at it and like put him out on there, just let him run wheel routes and cook dudes. Because of that type of speed, he's going to get separation, whether he's being covered by a linebacker or a nickel or what have you. And the thing that I was so surprised about, honestly, about his game, you don't see running backs that are as big as he is and they're more of upright runners have the type of contact

19:32balance that he has because guys that are taller and Brett, I mean, I'm curious your thoughts here, but like guys that you see that are that above six foot range, a lot of them run upright and they get cut down easy like guys diving at their ankles or taking them out where they don't have the type of contact balance that you see from a player like Mike Washington, Jr., where it's like you can go back to yesterday, like Chuba Hubbard is a guy that just automatically screams to me where it's like, he's a runway back. He and Chuba Hubbard, the prospect versus Chuba Hubbard, who he is now is very different conversation as well. But Mike Washington, Jr., you see the contact balance, like it's not only like, can he hit a crease and take it to the freaking house? Hell yes, he could do that. But it's also the ability like he can grind out those dirty yards that you need and he has underrated contact balance for a player of his build and running style. Yeah, that's a great call. I mean, I think of like his running style suits his needs as well. So like Omari and Hampton pops in my mind where again, a tall back, big physical, but

20:33he does have an upright running style and he's got some anatomical limitations in his hips where he's not overly agile. So it's a combat that you need to run a little bit lower to the ground. So you have your feet under you don't have to take extra gather steps. Washington kind of does that naturally where he does run a little bit lower to the ground. I mean, it doesn't pop straight up, which gives him the time to redistribute his weight quickly and make cuts where I feel like an Omari and Hampton that's something he struggled with as a rookie, especially as lanes got more congested than they were in college and it wasn't all just runways. So I think Washington's like ahead of the curve in that regard, his current running style really favors his anatomical limitations. Do we think we're at the point where if it is day two draft capital, let's say end of round two, like Derek is potentially projecting like first round rookie, rookie pick here for Mike Washington Jr. Superflex format because he's kind of been teetering on that, you know, first second line for a few weeks now and I feel like if he does get that draft capital, if it's a good landing spot too, I think he's in that conversation, Brett.

21:35Depends on the team for me, but yeah, you're close. I just like a lot of receivers in this class. I like some of the events. So I'm probably loading up mostly on those guys. I think price, you know, he'll be a, he'll end up being a first round pick. And then I'm not, I'm not sure I'm washing it really will depend on the team he lands on. Yeah. A favorite landing spot there at all. So before Aaron Jones came back, I was really hoping he was going to go to the Vikings. Wow. That would be fun. Jones is the burk toast though. Yeah. I'm not worried about Jordan Mason, like I feel like they know what they have and what they don't have in him. I'm just kind of looking over other landing spots. We're about to see Adelaide, yeah, that would be, yes, yes, everybody's like, well, Seattle doesn't have a starting running back. That's because they don't draft Mike Washington. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's a lot too, but I either wanted to be nice. Washington commanders to their backfield right now is just Bill and Jerome Ford and Rashad White. It screams draft. Somebody like Mike Washington. Yeah.

22:36I like it. Before we keep it moving, folks, a real quick reminder that our dynasty draft simulator lets you complete a mock in minutes with no waiting between picks. You can customize your league settings to match your league's exact format premium subscribers, contest trade scenarios by mocking with their trade draft picks as well. Prepare for your rookie drafts and dynasty startup drafts all in one place. Use the dicey draft simulator to dominate your rookie draft today at fancy pros dot com slash simulator gentleman. Let's move forward to the RB for a corn demock draft database. It is Emmett Johnson out of Nebraska three star prospect finally got his chance to shine this past season with the corn Oscars before that primarily used as a pass catcher. He led the big 10 and rushing yards with 1450 plus finished second in the country in yards from scrimmage with 1800 plus after adding nearly 300 receiving yards after another season of 39 plus receptions. To me, I think this guy is a true three down threat. He carried Nebraska, especially down the stretch after Dylan Riello went down to injury.

23:38He gained a ton of steam throughout this pre draft process, but ultimately really under performed at the combine with that 4.56 second 40 time and a 5.78 razz. So all said and done Derek, where do you come in on Emmett Johnson currently? Right now I've got Emmett. He's floating anywhere between like RB for like well between like RB for RB five for me. I've got price and Washington ahead of him. I mean, basically, it's him and Jonah Coleman right now currently pre draft. I've got Emmett at RB five behind Jonah Coleman. I like a lot of Emmett's game, man. And anybody that was disappointed with the 40 like, did you watch his film like realistically? Like did you watch his film because dude, I was just like hoping he's going to run a 4.5. He ran a 4.4. Like that's totally fine with me. Like that's not where he wins. And the only thing really truly pulling down his razz score is the three cone. His jumps were totally fine. They were in the 70th percentile. And I just think we're in a situation where that's going to hurt his draft stock probably

24:40more than it should, to be honest, amongst NFL teams and I mean, Brett, you can create me from wrong with that. But like, I'm kind of curious where he goes in the NFL draft and the draft capital is going to kind of float him between where, I mean, him versus some other running backs. But I like him at a time, man, like the way he wins with vision, acceleration and lateral agility. That plays with an infectious energy. Like I wrote it up. It's in my right up. Like I swear, man, like pre-game, this dude must chug like 12 monsters and cheek four days. He just, he plays like a frickin' rabbit hedgehog. He is, he's so much fun to frickin' watch. I love watching him like just carved dudes up in the second level. And he is a pass game weapon. I mean, this last year, 18% of the snaps in the slaughter out wide. With that type of short area agility, you do see him like he can produce on screens and angle routes, some wheel routes thrown in there. So I think draft capital is going to be all over the map. Like I could see him going round three. I could see him dropping to round five in the NFL draft in that draft capital or non-investment

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27:47it was not so we're kind of sticking to some priors here. But yeah, listen, I, there's some things Derek said I agree with, tone setting runner despite being only 200 pounds. He's got a really small frame but he's pretty fearless. He runs at a blistering pace. One of my favorite things about him is that he hits the hole at 100 miles an hour on every single play. He, you know, stresses defenses because he forces early commitments from linebackers and second level players. I think that's a really unique quality. I think it'd be really good in a zone heavy system. And then he's got this really unique ability to evade tacklers but it's weird because he doesn't have good short area quickness. He doesn't have good change of direction skills, but he has this really funny subtlety to his game, kind of like Bucky Irving did where it's like he just somehow forces mistakles at the second level. It's somehow, it's like a, it's a willpower thing. I don't really know. Obviously contact balance is pretty good for the size especially but yeah, there's, there's some really fun things in his film and then there's some not so fun things.

28:47I do think that he's got some past game chops like Derek said, he's a good receiver. I don't think he'll ever be a guy you put in the slot and have him go to town and try to turn matches that way, but he's good in past protection and he's got really good natural hands. So, so good stuff there that lacking top gear though at his size is pretty much a kiss at death for the most part. You know, and again, four, five, six, isn't necessarily slow, but when you're two hundred pounds, you just don't, the resume of running backs that small that aren't fat like significantly faster that have had success. And that was really small, especially when you pair that with below average, change of direction skills. And so I actually wasn't even mad about the 40 time. I already knew that that was, he doesn't look super fast on tape, right? It was the three cone in the shuttle that really confirmed my biggest weakness for him, which was that just, you know, really kind of stiff despite the size. Again, I had the same criticism of Bucky Irving. So it's kind of funny. We're, we're coming full circle here, Derek, but and then the last thing is like I just, the play strength and power just isn't there. He hits the hole in a hundred miles an hour, but as soon as he hits resistance, he

29:48just kind of bounces, you know, backwards right off of it. So, you know, I think ideally for him, he's a, he's a change of pace back, that's asking him upside. Yeah. Yeah. We're like San Fran, Derek. Would you like somewhere like that? Maybe that he could be like, like, kiss the death of third running back to go to San Francisco 49ers. Like you're automatically asking Kyle Shanahan to hate him. No, I don't want that at all, but I do want to clarify something. I did say he ran in the four fours. He did not, he was a four five six guy, but also to go back full circle. Bucky Irving at five nine one ninety two four five five. Yeah. Not too bad. The comp is there for sure. Yeah. It's there. But much like Bucky Irving, he's going to have to earn his way up a depth chart. Right. I believe like, where do you think he's going to go in the NFL draft, Brett? Do you think he goes round four? He's he slipped around five for you? I mean, I have a fourth round grade on him. So I mean, okay. Same. You know, if he goes in the fourth round, he's got a chance to play as a rookie. And if he does well in those those moments, then he earns more playing time just like Bucky

30:50did. It's as simple as that, right? Yep. It is. Hopefully, it's not just like a Caleb Johnson track where it just has one huge season in the big 10 and all of a sudden, you're just a ghost. Oh, man. Listen, I'm not going to admit Johnson, but let's not disrespect him with. I know. Let's not do that. I was very high on Caleb Johnson too, but Mike Tom was not around to a crushing more rookie running back. Big Mike's doing the same thing. Big Mike's bringing his guys. He's saying, I don't want to get Caleb Johnson action. So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Let's go to another running back where size definitely in the question mark. And it's Jonah Coleman out of Washington, followed up his 1,000 yard 10 touchdown season at Washington in 2024 with over 750 rushing out of 17 combined touchdowns. First in the big 10 in 2025. And also offered a ton in the receiving game, right? The Mont Williams at quarterback, didn't matter for him, said a career high in receptions, 31 receiving yards, 350 plus. And this all came after a really successful career as an underclassman in Arizona as well. I've comped him to Ray Rice, right? I think that's kind of the easiest comp by the 8 to 20.

31:52However, we don't have any combine metrics to go off for him. So Brett is still somewhat of an incomplete picture here for Jonah Coleman. Where do you land on him? Yeah, I'm a little bit lower on Coleman than the consensus for sure. I have him pretty much neck and neck with where I had Emmett Johnson that are our be eight range. The thing about Coleman that drives me absolutely bonkers is he's 230 pounds, but he doesn't play 230 pounds. He's a complete, I can't say the words. I was going to call him on on this broadcast, but he's a nanny. He plays like a nanny, like he's scared of contact. He would much rather juke guys out and run through them and when the player, you know, who's trying to attack you's 190 pounds, brother, I need you to lower your pads and just run through the guy to make matters worse. You know, he's got these like ridiculous efficiency metrics like this run after catch stuff. I think my guy Scott Barrett even tweeted about it yesterday. It's completely fraudulent production, 100% like there. I sent Scott five or six clips just from 2025 or 2024 alone where no, 2025.

32:57What year are we in guys? I'm lost here. You know, we're going to 2026. We just had 2025. Yes. 25 plays where Jonah Coleman catches the ball and doesn't even have an opportunity to be tackled for 30 yards down field just from this season that happened. So these run after catch efficiency metrics that I see the whole, you know, fantasy dynasty community tweeting and getting really excited about. It's just complete fraudulent production. And I just let listen, I think he could be an effective pass down player. He clearly has good hands. He's got some good wiggle to him despite the size. I just think the resume is super incomplete. And it's really, it's this, Nick Singleton's got some of this too where it's like these are bigger backs with decent athleticism that don't play to their size. And it's very, it's really frustrating to watch. So, yeah, Jonah Coleman just not for me. If he, you know, outproduces his draft capital, then I'll eat a shoe, but just not my kind of player. And today's NFL, this is not the guy I'm gravitating towards. That's for sure. There come heartbroken right now. I'm very high on Coleman.

33:57I specifically like that, like he is that shorter running back, but he's got that lower center of gravity that I feel like gives him good vision. I will agree with Brett, though, not someone who's necessarily looking for contact. Does that also strike you as something maybe to negate from Jonah Coleman's profile? I mean, I don't disagree with Brett about any of that. I think that Coleman, the way that he wins is the, the short area of footwork and the vision and stuff like that. I don't look at him as being just a massive tackle breaker and like with power and all that kind of stuff. Like, I think the, the short area agility serves him well. But again, we want to talk about the limitations of his game. He has a one speed runner. Like he gets up the top gear quickly, but like, you're not going to see him break. Like he's going to have to be a chunk play author in the NFL. He's not going to be breaking 30, 40, 50 yard runs. It's just not going to happen. And to Brett's point about the receiving stuff, this is what I talk about like, he's not like a past game weapon. Like, he was fed a steady diet of like flat routes and swing passes, dump offs and stuff

35:01like that. Yeah. Just check downs. So like, again, a lot of things we're going to get to Singleton here in a little bit and where I think there's a lot of fraudulent production or his profile as blah. I rather Coleman out of those two guys. And Brett, tell me if you want to try, try this one on for size. Like, I see a lot of a lot of the things that I was worried about and a lot of the things that I liked as a player. And that's where my comp comes in with him. I see a lot of Clyde Edwards a layer out of his game. Oh, that's the kiss of death right there. Am I wrong though? No, I haven't personally thought about that one just because like the 30 pound weight difference. But I see the play style issues for sure. Yes. By the way, I was, I had a six round grade and Clyde Edwards a layer when he came out. So that makes me really happy to say that my work comps more and more like this weird combo of Rashad White and Somaj P. Ryan. I mean, I don't disagree with you about with either one of those to be honest, because

36:01we're talking about a similar type of like archetype of running back. And you know, C.E.H. was a really good learning point for me. I was very high on him as a prospect. And it's always fun to go back to previous classes and like, if you were to go back and re-evaluate a similar player now, what would you say about it now versus like what, you know, what I felt about him then. And seeing a similar archetype of player, I like Jonah Coleman. I don't love Jonah Coleman. The other thing that I do think we need to talk about with Jonah Coleman is I do think that he is a dog and pass pro. Like I've seen this guy like pass pro like block dudes out of their freaking cleats. Like I saw him basically power clean a man coming into the backfield one time. Like I forget which game it was and he picks up the damn defender coming in. He just like pulls him out of his shoes and I'm like, oh, like there are some moments like where you're like, you go back to the film and you're like, okay, all right. You look in pass pro. Imagine if he played with that kind of heat as a runner though seriously, yes, I wrote

37:07up that he's a really good processor as a password sector as well. It's like he quickly identifies the threat gets to his spot. He can anchor and then mirror. He's got the footwork and hands to run that defender around the arc away from the quarterback. He is really one of the better pass protecting running backs. I've seen him quite some time. So that's the same same like there was I mean, as we talked, yeah, I mean, you're not wrong with that though. But like that's something where I think that like we're talking about if he goes in the fourth round of the NFL draft or what have you that he can work his way depending on the backfield mates that he has where he can work his way into being a trusted option because of the best pro and stuff like versus a lot of these other guys who Brits talking about. They don't have the skills, the chops, they're like doing the Ola stuff and they drop the shoulder. They chip somebody or basically like they're terrible at it. But the other thing that Brits mentioned here and it's absolutely true is they don't work on on this a lot in collegial practices and collegial programs. So a lot of these guys so it can be a differentiator when we're talking about the other parts of Jonah Coleman's game are kind of being glazed up and I'm not saying that I hate the kid,

38:10like the reality versus the the yearly echo chamber is something that we discuss a lot here on the show. And it sounds like to me the path forward to fantasy production might be like a Geobernard type of route where he starts behind someone kind of as that change of pace, pass catching, passing down's option and then maybe can play his way into more of a lead back situation. So maybe someone I need to revisit on because I'm definitely I think a little too high compared to consensus here. So let's go ahead and move forward to some players. I don't think I ever moved out my rankings, call me a homer, call me, you know, a Penn state. Total. We're going to go ahead and group them together, though Nick Singleton and Katron Allen at a Penn State. And these are two best friends. They were roommates, but both that had very, very different paths to get here into the NFL equation. Singleton, the highest rate of five star prospect at the 2022 class for the RB position. Katron Allen, just a four starter crew. And instead transferring after he really, you know, put his talents on display early in

39:11his career, you decide to stay with the backfield with Singleton for the next four years. And Singleton Big 10 freshman of the year would go on to set the Penn State all time record for total touchdowns with 55 and Russian touchdowns with 54, 45, excuse me. And then total to end up totaling over 3500 rushing yards in four seasons added 102 receptions nearly a thousand yards and really fell off this past year, though, right? Lost that starting nod after James Franklin was fired, had a career low 550 rushing yards. And to make matters worse, then he goes to the comb or goes to Senior Bowl, breaks his foot there, unable to perform at the combine, where I think you would have had a Mike Washington type of performance because he's six foot, he's 219. I think this guy's home run, hitting ability, Alan Meanwhile, kind of like the exact opposite, right? Change a pace role for most of his career until halfway pass through this past season. Still managed to set that Penn State record for all time rushing yards in school history with 4180. And then despite Penn State losing through all are just looking absolutely awful early

40:12this season. He still averaged at 6.2 yards per carry 1300 total yards, earning him all 10 Big 10 honors. And he's the kind of opposite of Singleton, right? The great vision, the patience, but not really elite in the athleticism comes in 511, 2116, didn't test as much at the combine as I would have liked him to really a North South type of running back. So Derek, where do you come in here in your projections, in your rankings for Singleton and Alan respectively? Right now there are RB seven and eight and I just they're tier four, they're behind the top. They're behind six other running backs. I be I just, you can count me out on both these guys. I'm I definitely not in like Nick Singleton. I think we're Brett was talking about like dude former Feldman Freaklister and I'm glad the dude is so good in the gym and he's so athletic, but it is not translate to the to the football field, man, like I look at him as being a reshawred white type of back where he runs really fast in gym shorts and he tests really well.

41:15But brother does it not translate to the field at like I just I don't see it, man, like and I mean, I feel like the conversation I'm going to have about Nick Singleton is the exact same kind of conversation that had about Quinshaw and Judkins of last year in the sense of where the numbers don't match up with the film and the the echo chamber narrative doesn't match up with the film where I mean, we're again, like collegiate data is you take it with a grain of salt as far as like charting and all that kind of stuff. But again, we're going to be we're discussing a player that over the last four years, 150 second, 56, 125th and yards into contact for attempt. Not good. Creating a 130 second, 117th, 150th, like the numbers match up with the film for me with it with him where it's like, sure, is he supposedly like really super athletic? Okay, cool. You don't see it on the film for me. Like I think he's a linear player. I don't see like great explosiveness and like he's not just a fluid mover for me.

42:17I don't see great change of direction ability. He's tenetive at the line at times. I feel like there's some vision concerns that I have on him. He's a hot like he is. We're going back to a previous conversation where he's more of a high cut runner where you don't see the contact balance. And as far as the past game production, I think he's a check, he's an adequate, uh, checkdown option. But as far as past game weapon, no, you can miss me with all of that. And, um, just on Kachron Allen real fast, he, he's more of like a very much like bargain bin dollar store version of Tyler L's year for me. And I, I'm glad he didn't test because I think that that's an indictment because he wasn't going to test well. And it shows up on his film like the low, the small dense build like it dudes built like a bowling ball serves him well where that low center of gravity can make him a difficult wrap for defenders. And he finishes runs well, but you don't see like second level burst. You don't see the speed you don't see like he's going to play a very,

43:17specific role in the NFL. I think with Kachron Allen in the sense of early down like spell guys, short yardage option, but I don't see him becoming a three down back. I don't see him, you know, every getting run as a true three down option or a starter in the NFL. So really just part of a committee or part of a backfield, but bread, am I wrong with these guys? I think we've uncovered our biggest gap here, Derek and our rankings. Yeah. I'm okay. I'll start with Kachron because he's high. I have my R before. Let's go. Oh, okay. I really like Kachron. He, my working conference, David Montgomery from a running style standpoint. He's rocked up. Dude has muscles coming out of muscles, durable, super durable frame. Seth mentioned all time leading Russia in Penn State history, which is not nothing considering Penn State's history at the running back position. And he was a change of pace guy too. It's not like he was the bell cow. Yeah. Yeah. His premium traits, though, high IQ runner with excellent vision, some of the best vision in the class. I'd say maybe second to Jeremiah Love.

44:20I wrote him up as having an idetic memory where he, you know, he takes a snapshot of the defense before the play starts and he remembers exactly where every single guy was. It gives him this natural feel for hitting gaps, playing with pace. The pace he plays at this unreal and he's physical. He's a physical runner. He's not a big juke you out kind of guy, but he can run through you. He plays with a ton of contact balance, a ton of play strength. He's a, he's a thumper in past row. So I think the, the past on resume is really limited, especially as a receiver, but you do see effort and timing in past row. That's really, really significant. I think this is a guy the NFL will like for sure. You know, at worst you draft him and he's your early down grinder. You pair him with a really good change of pace back like a Rashad White, like a Kenneth Gainwell. And I think you have a really nice running back room. That best he develops into a better passed down player and you have yourself and every down back. So I think K-Tron has, you know, in a bad running back class, I think he has a little bit more ceiling. Okay. The draft community is letting on to this point.

45:21So big, big K-Tron Allen guy. What about him? Singleton. Yeah. Nick Singleton is another guy. He's my RB five in the class. Oh, I think. Yeah, you definitely like him a lot more than I do, Brett. Yes. I think this is a guy that the NFL will like a lot better than any of us. Just look at the raw measurables. He's big. He runs hard. He's fast, explosive, and he's a really good player in passed downs. And that combination of size, explosiveness, and passed down ability is inevitably going to get him drafted higher than we think it is. You know, he definitely has deficiencies like there's a reason he's RB five for me. I think he's one of the tightest running backs I've ever evaluated. We're tight in the hips. He's max creativity in space. He's not. You know, the more congested an area gets, the worse he gets, it reminds me a little bit of you guys remember Kenny and Drake is a very casual type where, you know, if you can give him runways and if he can go win the corner and outside zone, great. Other than that, it's the rundowns are going to look pretty ugly and he's going to be

46:23big play hunting. You know, vision's not great either. But the passed down work, the size, explosiveness, the NFL just likes these guys, you know. So if you agree, Brett, that he's more of a guy that like considering all the athleticism that he has, you don't see a translate to the field as much, right? In terms of like as a runner and tackle breaking ability and all these types of things. Well, tack definitely, you know, he doesn't break tackles with athleticists and that's for sure. If he breaks tackles because he ran through a guy, not around him or, you know, with a juke move or a cut or something like that, I definitely agree. I do think when he hits the open field though, you see the top speed, like he is dude can fly. Yeah. So I think outside zone is the best spot you really see it when he presses that corner and wins the corner. It looks special. Whoa. If you could do that on every down, we'd have ourselves a back here. But unfortunately, the vision's a little limiting there. He doesn't always see the crease and a little delayed getting to it. But I do think the NFL will like this guy. Another note in it's it's not nothing.

47:24He's a dynamic return guy. One of the better returners in the country is time at Penn State. I think he's got 50 career kick returns or more. I mean, and that's not nothing. That's like some, some teams will put an extra round on a guy because of that ability. Because that's a, that's a cheap roster. Now, you don't have to go pay a guy to be your kick returner. You got one in, you know, your fourth round pick or I think I'm convinced the NFL is going to like him enough to draft them on day two. He's a day three player to me. Okay. Earlier Mike Washington, Jr. Is that caught off line for the day two backs and then anyone after that, I have a day, like I still have a day three grade on K-Tron, a day three grade on Singleton. But I take both those guys like early fourth round. Yeah. Seth, I think we've found the round three, round four, 49ers running back prospect. Oh, I don't want to tell me how Shane and Han is going to talk himself into this too. Come on. Come on. Maybe he does. He does. I was sick to say he's like the top shell version of gorendo. Shane Han is going to be like, I've seen this guy before. I like him.

48:24He's about that stiff for being honest. Yeah. Yes. There's a lot of parallels. There are a lot of parallels. Good point. And like, just kind of put a bow on these players is like as much as I love Penn State and it's a program that I read for every single Saturday in the fall, they're not always great at developing players, right? I mean, we got Mike apart since in the NFL and he wasn't even an edge at Penn State, right? He was playing off ball. He's kind of the same thing with K-Tron, where we didn't move him to the edge until his last year. And I mean, you can just go back like, look at the Saints, you know, Juan Johnson. He was a wide receiver. We didn't even know the guy could play tight end like there are sometimes these lapses we have in developing players. And so I think there's maybe more left of these two games and we have seen this far in the collegiate journey. Yeah. This is a tight end episode, but every single tight end that's ever come out of Penn State. Yeah. Yeah. Tyler Warren was the only one who had like real production, right? Everyone else. Tyler Warren's the only guy that could say, no, no, not me, not me.

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51:30Tennessee, Virginia. Gentlemen, let's go ahead and round out the running back position here and let's start with the Mont Claiborne out of Wake Forest. And this is a guy who has really been a devy ACFF favorite the past few seasons after being a highly touted four star prospect coming into the 2022 class. These total 2350 combined yards, 23 touchdowns, the past two seasons, helping the demon deacons really improved to an afterthought in the ACC at 4 and 8 in 2024 to a 94 record in 2025. He was the favorite to run the fastest 40 among running backs, ran a 4.37, but overall finished with just a 7.99 razz largely because his poor size grade at 510, 186 pounds. So Brett, how did you have Claiborne before this performs at the combine and how did that factor into the assessment of him? I didn't didn't change it all for me. He's my RB 10. I believe yeah, RB 10 in the class. And that's that's even higher than I would like him because this class is just poor.

52:34Here's the thing about Claiborne. I don't know how you can be what is he, 188 pounds, 188 pounds and also stink in the past game. Oh, yes. I don't know how that works. I mean, so you're now looking at a, I mean, what an early down player that's 188 pounds. It just doesn't work. Maybe is your change of pace guy that you try to manufacture some explosive runs for maybe he develops in the past game. There's just so much here to, there's so, so big of a developmental runway needed. It's, it's kind of crazy. Running back is not a position that you typically draft to try to develop. It's usually, these guys are ready made. They hit the league and that's who they are. You know, minus a few things, you know, you work on the past row here, maybe some route running there. But he needs so much work in the past game, it's, it's not great. The biggest issue though for me is he's small and he runs small. He goes down at first contact, pretty much no matter what. If he's running in a congested area, like you just blow on him and he falls over, the

53:35explosiveness is completely mitigated by the fact that he's tiny and just doesn't have a lot of utility. He's kind of a tell when he's on the field. So, yeah, he's got some good, you know, special teams outside. I think he had two, what, two 95 plus yard kick returns for a touchdown, his, his freshman year or something like that. So, you know, maybe a team, you know, bumps him a little bit because of that. But ultimately, just, just really not for me. What about you, Derek? Same. I'm still formulating because I've got a lot of the deeper running backs of this class to get through. But right now, I mean, the highest I would possibly go on him is my RB 13. He's my RB 16. I've done just out, man, I don't, I don't see it. He's a linear back, he's small, he runs small. It's really the hallmark of his game is speed. It's all related to his speed. It's, can he hit home runs like in your mind's eye, your fever dream is like, could he become like a Keaton Mitchell? And it's like, dude, he's, he's not even close to being a Keaton Mitchell. Like, he doesn't run like Keaton Mitchell, he doesn't break tackles.

54:37The thing that is, like, so damning for me with a running back this size is that, and especially a guy that you don't see that like, okay, like, is he small, but does he run with like more power than his frame would give you the idea that he has? He doesn't change directions well for a small back. He turns like a damn tugboat, man, like, it's just he runs in a straight line really, really fast. But like the other thing and Brett, I'm curious about this. His vision, man, is not great. Like he misses cut back lanes constantly, he, and he doesn't run with patience. He outruns his blocks. You put him on screens and he's out running guys and he's not following play design. And he just like, what are you doing, man? Like what are you doing? Like, I think the idea of Demon Clayborn is really fascinating. The actual play of Demon Clayborn, not so much. Yeah, the vision I noted, he had adequate vision, which is just average, you know, and I thought, but he generally ran with, you know, decent schedule and pace.

55:37But for the most part, it was, it was a little messy. Yeah, very messy for me. Are we thinking maybe like UDFA territory here possibly? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's great I have on him, but the thing is the team will have them because of the return ability. Because it's fast. Yeah. Okay. So maybe late day three. Up next though, we have a huge winner from the combine in Seth McGowan out of Kentucky. He had a 9.42 razz, third best among running backs in this class. Definitely an older prospect. He bounced around for a couple of years started his career at Oklahoma, had some run-ins with the law as well, then lands himself in New Mexico in 2024 where he earned second team all conference honors transfers into Lexington in 2025. He leads the Kentucky Wildcats in rushing. With 725 rushing honors, 12 touchdowns, fifth best in the SEC. I've classified McGowan as a very shifty and angry runner. I think he's best probably in a power run scheme, Derek, your comp form in the past has been Isaiah Pacheco. I compared him more to another SEC running back, Rico Dattel. Do you have a comp and an overall assessment on McGowan, Brent?

56:40Let me check my notes. I know I couldn't come up with one and I'm not one for some. Okay. There's some holes in his game that really just kind of confused me with the profile. Okay. Overall, is he someone that you're interested in from a dicey lens or is he off your draft board? Not interested at this time. I mean, draft capital changes everything. If a team is dumb and drafts them really high, then sure, I'll be interested just because of that. Okay. No, play on the field. He tested his free gaffly yet there's no explosive runs on his tape and you routinely see him get caught from behind by cornerbacks. It's just kind of weird. It's like, is that a Memphis thing or is, you know, I thought the blocking was relatively good actually given the level of play. So I don't know. He does have some wiggle. He tests his explosive, but just, you know, I kind of qualify him as a, I think I've called him a baby deer in the past where it's like, it's, it's the Traylon Berks effect where like people think he's athletic, but just that's not functional athleticism.

57:40It doesn't translate to a full field where he just always like, you know, tripping over himself falls down for no reason. There's just a bunch of that on his tape and just doesn't really look like an athlete to me. Okay. Derek, you know, I think I can blame some of the just overall poor performance from like lacking explosion and big plays to just playing at Kentucky, right? I think this was an offense when you have big Zach Calzade that they're not respecting in the passing game, Cutter Bowley, who, you know, young kid, they're not respecting in the passing game. You don't really have a bunch of deep threat weapons. I think it was a lot of stack boxes for the kid. And I think that, you know, kind of trebled in there, um, twos overall assessment. What, what do you think here, um, on Seth McGowan? I know you're a little bit higher than I think Brett is. Yeah. I'm a little bit higher. Like, um, I, I do think he's a downhill runner, um, linear one cut kind of guy. I'm with Seth. I mean, I'm with Brett that like, I didn't see him. And I say he's Isaiah Pacheco with his class in the sense of like, he tested like a freak, so did Pacheco, but like, you don't see like, I'm with Brett that like, you

58:42don't see that speed hit the field. Like, you do see him get caught from behind and for a player that over the last two years, 159, the 102nd and breakaway rate. Like, yeah, it shows up on the film where the testing metrics. But like, does he run angry? Like this guy, the reason I come back with the Pacheco one is he runs like, he's pissed off at the ground. Like, he does run, like, he's mad at the freaking world. Like, like, he's trying to make the earth pay for its sins. And I, so I do see that with his running style, but is that translated into a crap ton of mistakels? No, does it translate into a, like a bunch of big plays on the field? No, but if he can ever harness that type of, you know, the type of athleticism that we saw him test with, but again, it's, it's a similar, then he'd be awesome. But it's, it's a similar conversation we've had with a lot of these other running backs. And we've honestly had with Isaiah Pacheco. And that type of run as style has led to a very injury, marked career thus far for Pacheco.

59:42Very fair. We'll go ahead and get out of here on Kaelin Black. He is another one of Kurt Signanti's guys who was a two star prospect out of Virginia Beach had his first two seasons playing at JMU before transferring to follow his head coach to Bloomington had a really strong sophomore season at JMU in the Sunbelt 900 yards, five touchdowns, and really felt like he was then coming into Bloomington to be that change of pace option, right? He was working behind Justice Ellison, Tyson Lawton in 2024. This year, Roman Hamby got the spot start, but it was really, uh, it was really black who I felt like carried them down the stretch at different times. This season had over a thousand yards, 10 touchdowns, 16 games played though. So, you know, quantify that a little bit as well and help the Hoosiers get to that national championship title. So, for me, I think he was a crime deep, though, that this guy was not invited to the combine. Maybe it says what the NFL community thinks about him as a whole, but I still think he's a better player than what we're given credit for. Um, I don't know if he's, I'll push back about that a little bit.

1:00:44Uh, I'm not massively in love with him. He reminded me, uh, the, the comp was easy for me with him. Um, it's speed and it's home run ability. Like can you take a crease and take and take a run, you know, and break off a big run. Sure. I don't see him as a great tackle breaker. I don't see him as a guy that can create a ton of yards by himself outside of the speed and stuff. He's just Thai Chandler 2.0 for me as a guy that'll play a very specific role in the NFL. I mean, he's a run way back. Like I'm just one of the, the biggest things than the reason like where I, I come in higher on certain running backs and one of the things that I'll look at is, is, can you create yards for yourself? And that's going to lend yourself like into, no, regardless of whatever situation you're dropped into in the NFL and all sorts of lines and all that kind of stuff. If you can do that for yourself, you're going to do it. You're going to help yourself out a whole lot and solve a lot more problems. Kalen Black is just a run way back for me. Like he's got to need good blocking. He needs a good crease to be able to really maximize what he does do well.

1:01:47So yeah, I'm, I'm way more out than I am in. Brett, are you surprised by the mock draft database ranking of blacks because he wasn't invited to the combine like for me, I figured he'd come closer to that RB 15 even to 20 mark, but surprising to see him up here at RB 10, where do you come in on him? Yeah, he is my, uh, he's, he's my RB 11. So there's things about a state by like though. I think he does play with a lot of good contact balance. I think he's, um, functional in the past game. I don't really see the explosiveness. People have talked about with him. Uh, I know that he had some explosive runs, but that's, they have like three top 40 wide receivers and the best quarterback in the draft. I think the explosive runs were more a function of, hey, we have to pay attention to all these guys. So, um, yeah, I do think he's a functional player. He, he kind of reminds me of, you guys remember Justin force it. Yeah, who reminds me of that where it's like he's, uh, he's got a slashing style, pretty decent, short area of quickness, but he's not really a overly gifted guy.

1:02:51He's just a good football player. I think he's a guy you draft and like in the sixth round and he back, he can back up both spots at running back. He can be your early down back up and your change of pace. They're down back up and he just lives in a role where, you know, he'll get touches. But only when you need to spell your running back or some hurt and he's really good special teams player too, that is worth noting. So yeah, I think he gets drafted probably never, you know, unless the opportunity just hits him right in the face, I don't think he ever does anything for fantasy purposes, but for L team. They might like him as a nice depth piece on their, on their, uh, rotation. Yeah, Brett, I don't disagree with any of that. Before we let you go out of here, do you have any honorable mentions, some names that for fantasy managers, we should keep in the back of our mind as we had in April? Yeah, let's just do one. Let's go, um, Jamari Taylor running back from Virginia. Sky, I really, really love. Um, I loved him, you know, in my workup to the senior bull stuff, really liked his tape. Um, my working com for him is, uh, it's like a cross between Tony Pollard and Kenneth Gainwell, where it's like he's this explosive slasher style that truly is a past game

1:03:54weapon. Um, you know, Virginia would line him up in the slot and throw him the ball of the slot. He'd go round up linebackers and save these, he, he ran, he runs like a legitimate slot wide receiver route tree from the slot too, not just one of these running bags that stand up there and catch the screens, but go out and run routes and win on those routes. And so, um, he's fantastic in past protection as well. Um, and he's not small, uh, I mean, I think he's got pretty good vision. So I think, you know, he's a guy who legit could be a, a third down back with some, you know, sprinkling some early down touches for him and, uh, to start his career. And then as he, you know, he'll inevitably get a little bit bigger. All these guys usually, you know, muscle up once they get an NFL weight room. I think he could be, you know, eventually, uh, an every down back for a team. Um, but ultimately right now, I think he, he is a pass down weapon for you. And, uh, you know, he's got an explosive profile. We, I think he only ran like four, five, one at the combine, but there's GPS data of him hitting 22 and a half miles an hour. He had a ton of explosive runs on tape. So I think he probably plays a little bit faster than that.

1:04:55Yeah. He's someone I've had a love hate relationship with, with loved what I saw it from him at Virginia. Didn't love the testing though, right? And I think that was the big thing. But still someone potentially in that day, three mix, um, I believe. So I really love everything you brought to the table here, Brett. Can you let us all know how we can best support and find your work over at fantasy points? And if you have anything specific kind of coming down the pipeline that we should, uh, keep our head on a swivel for. Yeah, fantasy points.com. So first and foremost, I have a prospect guide. I drop every year. The first release will happen this week. It's going to be just the fantasy specific guys like quarterbacks running back. Swipe receivers, then I add O line and then add defense. What it's all said and done though, there'll be over 150 right ups in there. I also have a running big board on fantasy points.com. Think I currently have 125 guys in there. When I study a player, I watch every snap of their career, um, and I'll get the 253 under guys before the draft. So that big board will hit up to 250 guys. So that's a fun piece of content. And then, uh, for my podcast first read with Joe Marino, we talk high level

1:05:58ball film, film stuff, analytic stuff, team building draft and anything you want with the NFL, it's not a fantasy specific show. There's a ton of fantasy takeaways if you do listen to it. It breads one of the best in the business, just born on and I just want to give him his flowers, man. I think like people that listen to his content, read his work and stuff, um, you're going to walk away with this being a better consumer of NFL and college content. Like he's absolutely fantastic. One of the people that like I talk to religiously about prospects and about ball and about everything. And I'm a constantly walking away with something new that'll learn. Love you, Brett. Love you, man. Think and he'll throw you out of bars. If you're misbehaving, baby, that's right. Um, that is going to do it for us on this episode of the fantasy pros and I fell draft show for us here at F P, easiest ways for us. Don't forget smash that like button if you enjoyed this episode. And also, please subscribe to the fans, pros, dynasty and the NFL tailgate YouTube channels. We'd really appreciate that.

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