New Documentary Reopens Questions About Jeffrey Epstein’s Death (9/7/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. I don't think it's any secret that I don't believe the official narrative when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's death. And obviously I am not the only one. Now, I'm not somebody that just runs around believing every conspiracy because a lot of them are just a bunch of BS. But when it comes to this specific issue, this is a different ballgame. And I think there's an ample amount of evidence circumstantial and otherwise that would make a discerning person have a lot of doubts about the official narrative. And we know that David Shone, who was one of Epstein's lawyers towards the end of Epstein's life, has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that Epstein was suicidal. And then of course we have what Dr. Bodden told us. And in my opinion, Dr. Bodden is a much more qualified pathologist than Barbara Hawks Samson.

1:00And I think that Dr. Bodden's record speaks for itself. I mean, this guy has been involved in how many different autopsies throughout the years. Now, I'm not saying that he can't be wrong. I'm just saying that I find his explanation to be much closer to what the truth probably is. So in today's episode, we have an article from the Daily Mail and they're diving into the death of Jeffrey Epstein once again and why Mr. Shone and Dr. Bodden don't think that he killed himself and the headline, The Evidence Epstein did not kill himself. Lawyer and pathologist revealed details they claim indicate the pedophile was murdered in jail in a new documentary. This article was authored by Eliana Silver. One year on from the mysterious death of disgraced financier, pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, conspiracy theories surrounding the circumstances of his death continued to swirl. The official ruling is that the convicted pedophile died by suicide after hanging himself

2:02in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York. Yet many remain convinced that he was murdered with a series of unexplained circumstances continuing to fuel questions over what really happened. And is that not a logical way to go about things? And while we're here, there's a whole gaggle of people out there that think that Lindsey Clancy's husband is responsible for their murders. So if people are going to buy into that, I don't want to hear goddamn anything about looking into what happened to Epstein in that jail cell. Because if you want to talk about an abundance of circumstantial evidence and then the coincidences, if you want to call them that all happened to go the way of the federal government and then how quick they tried to cover it all up and just wipe it underneath the rug, yeah, I'd say there's a little bit more to see here. And until somebody can provide some concrete proof, I don't buy the official narrative, I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.

3:05Now a harrowing new documentary exploring Epstein's crimes is in a circle and the aftermath of his death has revisited some of those unanswered questions with several key figures offering details that they say cast outs on the official account. Now look, I've spoken to people throughout the years that were very familiar with the autopsy and I've heard the same exact thing from all of them. And you know me, I'm not somebody that comes on here and pumps the laces bullshit, even though that's what would be best for my product for my show. I have no desire to do that. So when I tell you that I believe something, it's because I really believe it. And when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's death, I don't think there's anything about that official narrative that's believable besides the fact that he's dead. A new ABC documentary, which premiered on HBO Max on September 3rd, sees award-winning reporter Grace Tobin, examine theory surrounding his demise.

4:06Among those interviewed is David Shone, Epstein's lawyer at the time of his death. Shone spoke to Epstein nine days before he died following an alleged earlier suicide attempt that Epstein denied, yeah, because he didn't try to kill himself and all you people that believe Nicholas Tartaglioni and that lady pumping his bullshit, I don't even know what to say to you. Like at this point, it's getting very frustrating. Very very frustrating. He denied that he tried to commit suicide. The story that he told about what had happened was the cellmate had forced him to put a rope around his neck and pulled it just to see the reaction Epstein would have. What did I tell you? What did I tell you? Tartaglioni was sent there to give Epstein the message. Listen bro, if you don't do it, we will. That is the most likely scenario. And that's why of course, they don't talk about it. I'm pretty much the only one that has hypothesized that scenario. But when you understand how things work, especially if you're looking at four life sentences

5:07or the death penalty like Tartaglioni was, he's going to try and build some credit, right? X-Cop was busted with contraband in his cell two weeks before he was moved with Jeffrey Epstein. None of it adds up. So if you want to believe that Nicholas Tartaglioni is a hero here, cool, that's fine, but I'm warning you now, that shit is DOA around these parts. And anybody pushing that dribble is part of the cover up. But he told correctional officers that he couldn't remember what happened because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble, that he would have trouble himself, shown said, yeah, you can't be a snitch and jail. So you're a molester and a snitch. Not really going to work out the way you hope. So of course, Epstein had motivation to not tell the authorities that it was Tartaglioni or to recant that. I mean, is this real life that people don't understand this? Look, I don't expect everybody to be a prison expert, but fuck, do a little research before you run your fat, yeah. Shones at Epstein had been unhappy in jail, but remained determined to fight this extraficking

6:10case against him. The fact that he wanted to fight this case until the day before he died says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide. Well, it's unlikely to me too. Now I don't have all the access that Mr. Shone has, but I've spoken to people and I've had some very, very interesting conversations with people that have worked at the MCC and almost to a man and a woman, none of them believe the official narrative. Epstein was waiting trial on sex trafficking charges when he was found dead in his prison cell, with his death quickly becoming mired, in mystery, and speculation. The two guards responsible for monitoring him, who had been assigned to his cell following the earlier alleged suicide attempt, reportedly fell asleep and felt to check on him for around three hours. At the same time, cameras outside of cell, malfunctioned. Oh, I mean it's just a gigantic coincidence, right? How come the coincidence couldn't be, somebody happened to stumble on his gel cell, while he was quote unquote, trying to take his own life?

7:13Well, I guess because that coincidence would be going in the wrong way, and we can't have that, can we? You would think with all these coincidences, one would bounce the other way, right? Fate would have it. I mean the odds have to be astronomical, for everything to bounce in one direction. In 2023, the U.S. Department of Justice concluded that there had been job performance failures by prison officials, but maintained that Epstein had died by suicide. Even so, questions over official account have persisted, with some arguing that Epstein's knowledge of his powerful connections could have given others a motive to silence them. Oh, you think? I guess all those people that we've seen in those Epstein files are not the kind of people that have no screwpals, that don't give a fly and flock about anybody but themselves. All really great people that you'd want to leave your daughter alone with, right? Now think about the great lengths that they're going to to keep this covered up. Now ask yourself, if getting rid of Epstein would be a step too far, and I'm not going

8:14to sit here and tell you I know who did it, and when I say they, I just mean they. I don't have anyone in mind. I don't know who did it. Now my suspicion is that insert intelligence agency was behind it, but I can't prove that. But historically speaking, this is what intelligence agencies do when they're burning an asset that's no longer useful. Another key figure interviewed in the documentary is Michael Bodden, the forensic pathologist to examine Epstein's body after his death. Bodden said that he'd been asked to attend the autopsy the following day. The history was that he was found having committed suicide by hanging in his gel cell. There was a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow around the neck was horizontal. In a suicidal hanging, the ligature mark is usually up at the high part of the neck and goes upward. And then the moment of surprise. There were three fractures, two of the thyroid cartilage, which is the Adam's apple and one of the hyoid bone.

9:16In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that. Now that's a trained pathologist who has done how many autopsy's in his life and he's never seen that before. But sure, we shouldn't question what happened, right? We should have no questions about that official narrative. And if you do, well, what do you some kind of conspiracy theorist? That's a much more common crushing injury in homicidal strangulation. So I think at that point, there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not. Shown explain that medical examiner of New York City who conducted the autopsy said that it was inconclusive. She couldn't say for certain that it was suicide, not until she was told to. Once the boss is showed up, the B.O.P. DOJ, look, you better just run this bitch through, okay? But then her boss, three or four days later, changed it to suicide, botanatted. Even Epstein's brother, Mark, has publicly said he believed the finance here was killed.

10:19I believe he was murdered. And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people, they could figure out what actually took place. He told Tobin. I agree. And I still don't believe that Michael Thomas and Tobin O'Hell are Scott free here. I think they know a little bit more than they're saying. Now do I think that they're a part of it? I have no idea. But I think they know more than they've said. And that goes for every single person at MCC. Look at how evasive they were in those depositions. It's almost like they all got together and figured out what they would say. Or somebody told them what to say. In the film, political scientist Joe Yuchinsky, who has studied the conspiracy theories for 15 years, said he pulled Americans about Epstein's death and found that the belief he may not have died by suicide was a common opinion. Half the country thought it was a conspiracy that he was killed by people who were trying to cover up their involvement with them. And you don't normally get conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in, he said, well, this isn't your regular kind of conspiracy theory.

11:21There's no troupe of copper here. There's no Egyptian planes. There's no make believe. This is the reality, folks. And the sooner people fucking wise up and start dealing with it instead of ignoring it and hiding from it, the better off we're going to be. Even some of Epstein's victims believe he didn't kill himself, including Lisa Phillips, a model who met the disgraced financier on his island while she was in the area for a photo shoot. I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it, she said. Phillips met Epstein in the year 2000 when he quickly took an interest in her modeling career, as well as her aspirations and dreams. The night that they met, he sexually abused her for the first time, under the guise of getting a massage from her. She recounted in the documentary. So anytime anyone in Epstein's world talked about massage, that's what they meant. There's no gray area here. There's no nuance. After she returned home, Phillips said Epstein called her and arranged a meeting with a Ford modeling agent before beginning to send her to auditions.

12:22I was abused by him again and through his connections, where he would send me on to auditions. But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked. Things are castings by Epstein, so it's like, oh, my friend is casting a really big film right now. And you're sent somewhere, where all of a sudden you're positioned or propositioned for sex and the people around you are enforcing it. Just thought it was business. Another survivor, Ashley Rubwright, also shared her story in the film. She was only 15 when she met Epstein. Well, I thought it was only 17-year-old girls and girls that were of age. Oh wait, those people lied to you? That's a big shock. I wonder what else are lying to you about? I was working at a barbecue restaurant and one of my coworkers asked me one day in the restaurant if I'd like to give a man a massage for $200. I thought about it for a second and I said sure. She recounts how she went to Epstein's Palm Beach home and was shocked when she walked into the bathroom only to find the financier naked. Imagine walking into the bathroom and finding disgusting-ass Epstein naked?

13:26I'd rather be eaten by a great white shark. He just kind of laid on the table and then he told me how to massage him, she said. Then he flipped over and that's when things got really more way more inappropriate there. He asked me to take off my bra and to pull up my skirt and he was touching himself the whole time. I was just trying not to look and he would grab me, grab my behind and I was just trying not to be there, you know, at that time. After he finished, his assistant came in and took Rubwright back downstairs. She said, although she was shocked, she said that she tried to rationalize it, thinking it must have been a fluke. And that's what happened with a lot of these girls. It was normalized to them. If they walk into an environment and that's what everybody's doing and then you have Pasha, Escalane, Maxwell, Assylluring Leader, yeah, people are going to be enamored and people are going to think that this is the way things go down. She went back to his home once more where she said the situation escalated further. I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a basket of sex toys and asking me to pick one out

14:32and asking me if I knew how to use it. He had me sit on the bathroom floor and he sat on the edge of the massage table. She said she remembers what happened but the film shows her become visibly emotional and stop herself from saying anything more. I think we can all figure out what happened, okay? And none of it's good. Her life turned dark after she met Epstein. I was angry and I didn't care who got the brunt of it all. I stopped cheerleading, I stopped dancing, I kind of went from like trying to do good to just not caring. And that is the story that we've heard from how many girls that were abused by Epstein and Golanne Maxwell. Phillips and Rubrite are two of more than a thousand women who are said to have been sexually abused by Epstein. Although the full extent of his alleged abuse remains unknown as most survivors continue to come forward and that's the truth. We've only scratched the surface if you can believe it. Think about how many women have come forward. Now think about the women with no names.

15:33It's a staggering number and it's pretty disturbing. The film also delves into Epstein's first criminal case exploring how Palm Beach police began investigating him after the stepmother of a ninth grader at Royal Palm Beach High School reported in March 2005 that a wealthy man had molested her daughter. Police subsequently discovered that a number of victims had been recruited at Royal Palm Beach High School. Royal Palm Beach High School. You think they were all 17 years old? 18? Or do you think some of them were 14? 15? 16. We all know the answer and all the scumbags who are saying that this is the one girl, oh she was 17. You can all go get fucked. You bunch of dirty, disingenuous scumbags. Spencer Kuvin, who represented three of Epstein's victims at the time, recalled in the film how aggressive Epstein's dream team of lawyers had been. It's widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team has some of the victims followed by blacked out SUVs, you know, showing up at their houses.

16:37They were also investigating the lead investigator Joe Rokari. And I asked him, meet him. So can you imagine? He was so brazen that he was investigating the cops that were investigating him. But sure, he's just a regular old didler like the sex offender that's on the registry down the block, right? So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. And when I sat down, I started talking to him. His head was on a swivel and he kept looking around and I said, what are you doing? I'll never forget. He looks at me and he says, you have no idea what they're doing to me. He said that they'd been digging through Rokari's personal trash. He said to me, I've never seen this kind of an operation before. Well, that's what happens when you're dealing with somebody who's intelligence adjacent. And people can deny it as much as they want. I don't care. That's up to them. But the truth is what the truth is. And no amount of denials or narrative building is going to change it.

17:41Despite an extensive investigation by Palm Beach Police, the case ultimately ended in a controversial plea deal that saw Epstein face what critics described as a remarkably lenient sentence following intense lobbying by his lawyers. The charges that they ended up bringing were solicitation for prostitution of a minor. It's basically calling these victims prostitutes. We all know children can't be prostitutes, but that was the whole point. So that later on down the road, when the conversation pops back up, they can use this as their narrative. Well, she was 17, bro. Come on. What do you some kind of piratin? Epstein ultimately served 13 months of an 18-month sentence, quickly returning to high society, mingling with people such as Bill Gates and the joe exotic of the Windsor family. In the years leading up to a second arrest in death, Epstein abused hundreds allegedly trafficking victims to more powerful men. Survivors are still seeking answers and justice. The public in lawmakers, including Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene, join forces

18:42with Democrats and a push to release the Epstein files, putting them at odds with President Donald Trump. Yeah, run their careers, honestly. Why do you think Thomas Massey lost? Why do you think Marjorie Taylor Greene didn't run for reelection? It's dangerous work to speak out against Epstein. Speaking to fellow survivors and supporters on Capitol Hill, Phillips is filmed, saying the issue is one America is finally united on. Man, I wish it was. I really do. And I've done my best, folks. I have done my best, but it's impossible. People don't want to get out of their bunker. People don't want to, you know, make their team upset and people don't want to take a look in the mirror. It's much easier to think that it's somebody else's problem or that it's just the other team. I hate to tell you, but it's both teams. And until people start coming at this from that perspective, without having any faves, and without trying to protect people, we're not going to get anywhere.

19:44Although the Department of Justice is published around three and a half million pages of Epstein related files, lawmakers say almost half of the records remain unreleased. Federal estimates suggest that between two and a half million and three million documents related to the Epstein investigation are still being withheld by the DOJ. Look, I know it's no shock for you folks who listen to the podcast to hear that I don't believe that Epstein killed himself. But when you have people like Mr. Shone and Mr. Bodden saying it, my advice is you should probably listen. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.