Nancy Guthrie Case: Institutional Fallout and Where the Investigation Stands

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2:10Forget the board meetings, forget the recall signatures, forget the politics. You want to know one thing with all of this happening is Nancy Guthrie still the priority. Is somebody still fighting for her? You got a lot of questions about that. There's a lot of noise as you've been hearing us talking about with with Sheriff Nanos, Robin Drake Retired FBI Special Agent Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis program is always my coast with us as we're discussing this today. Let me ask you this, Robin. Even if Nanos has changed over at this point, let's say he steps down and you get somebody new in there. It's a new position. Somebody's going to, you know, hit the ground running, but they're hitting the ground running when somebody else has been in that position for quite some time. So it's all going to be, you know, a bit new territory. How does that affect this investigation? So that's a great question. I don't think it would affect the investigation and the investigators and what they're doing in their day to day. I think they're locked in. I think

3:11they're doing, I think they're working very, very well with what they have. Now what'll be very, really interesting if that does happen is a fresh set of eyes looking at what they do have and seeing what new decisions they make on what to share with the public. I think you need to, so here's what the public would love. The public would love some transparency about what transpired, what in congruencies meant what Nanos said. They'd looked for explanations behind. He says this and he says this. He says this and he says this. And so someone with a new set of eyes looking at what they have right now would then be able to hopefully put out some corrected information, some more accurate information, consistent information and hopefully a little more nuggets that would help generate leads because that's what they still need more of. They still need more information coming in because if we're not on someone, if we don't have an arrest, they obviously aren't zoning close enough to be able to do that. So maybe with a fresh set of eyes at the top, taking a little bit more of a concise angle on what to put out to the public would help that a lot.

4:16Like, so, for example, I don't know the impact on this yet, but Savannah, she just did this interview as of the recording of this so earlier, earlier today or yesterday and she's talking about the back door being propped open. I'm like, huh, that completely added some new data points to way I was thinking about this because remember, I'm like 60, 40, 60 on the home invasion for attempted burglary gone sideways, but back door propped open. I got to do some more research now. I got to take a look a second look at this because how does that affect just that one little nugget that she put out there kind of shifts this whole thing. Now granted, is that going to help bring Nancy home sooner or later? Don't know, but that kind of information might have helped early on. And there's a psychology behind releasing some of that information or not and it's very investigative and it makes sense because you're going to get a lot of people that are going to claim they have knowledge of this or that and there's certain details that need to be held close

5:17enough to the best so you can determine whether the person actually knows what the hell they're talking about or not or they're just making up a story. But sometimes revealing some of that information earlier on gives you a better idea of who to be looking out for profile wise in the general public. Now, now it's one thing, the investigators to know who they should be looking out for, but there's only so many of them and there's, it's a gazillion to one when it comes to the general population versus an investigator. There's a lot more eyeballs out there on the streets. And it felt like this case with everything and we've seen so many cases where things get held so close to the vest, a resource of the general public was not being used to help find an answer. And then I get it can create a lot of noise and there's different strategies depending on the investigator of how they're going to use a public if they're going to use a public or not. But in so many cases, especially today, the information that is found that the public

6:22comes out with because they're given enough to work with and subsolving so many more cases than not, than holding the information back than just being like, we're going to solve it based on our handful of people who hear who are investigating into the information. Only we know this seemed like there was a very large mist opportunity and there could have been a lot more information maybe thrown out to the public that maybe would have resulted in more valuable leads early on. I don't know. I mean, that seems to be true in a lot of cases. What's your thoughts on it on this one? Yeah. And also the reverse of that, you know, not just getting leads in for more information again, because again, as most of us in law enforcement do, we don't really like second guessing what law enforcement is doing because we don't have the full picture in their decision process and heavily. I mean, granted, he's as nano as dumb as he's made some of these things. He's got a lot more experience than I do, you know, about twice as much. Really, I did 22 years of the FBI. But so I I won't always discount everything they're doing because there's some some thought going behind it

7:26who knows what the impact of it is. But to that end, when it's not just about the impact that that information has on the public for generating leading leads, but also we've talked about a lot you and I about the pressure that information then puts on the perpetrator or the people surrounding them. So, so imagine this. If nanos had again, just the thought experiment, who knows the difference would have made, but just a few more nuggets of details like the door being propped open or maybe one or two others, what kind of message that not just sends about who to look for for the public for leads, but also the perpetrator and or their tight circle of people that might know about this. Oh my God. They actually saw that. They paid attention to that. I didn't realize I did that. Oh my God. They're on to me. Again, that pressure valve starts pushing on it because they think they're closing in and pops and someone leaks and someone gives a tip. So and so by by not again, I don't know their decision process on what to do or not to do to kind of put that and apply

8:27that pressure publicly. But we've seen so little for such a long time that why not try it? Why not do something more? But all that's that's how I think and make it not just for the leads generated by the public, but also by putting pressure on the perpetrator themselves and their very tight circle that may or may not know this put that pressure on their on me. I better I this is my only chance to save myself as it turned him in and get the million dollars. Where do you think that's that because that certainly has been an angle that we've talked about for for quite a while in this case is is the how do you inspire someone to come forward with information? If no one's been inspired by now is anyone ever going to be inspired? I think it diminishes every day over time. But what will happen so here's what does happen over time as the perpetrator of this gets more comfortable with the fact they got away with it their mouth starts running and they start and they start leaking information you know and so that could happen. He might get arrested for something

9:29else and so he'll start doing a jailhouse kind of leaking you know about how I did this this and got away with it so it could happen that way. And also but if but if the people surrounding him don't feel the pressure that they're getting close to them why would they turn them in because they have more to lose than it would to gain potentially because again people fear jail more than if more than they want money what the study shows anyway. Does someone like nanos even care about credibility? I mean or is he completely is he tone deaf to it? You know because the way that he's been acting that the statement said he's made he doesn't seem to be affected by the ridiculousness of some of his statements and the criticism that comes after it. It's just kind of like and just it just brushes off his shoulder and I think we all know folks like that it's it's seems to be a lot more dangerous when you have someone who has this level of power that doesn't seem to care but but does credibility matter to someone like this especially you know and I get

10:32like making forward thinking statements about we're getting closer and bullshit like that and they keep you know he said that a thousand times we're getting closer are we are we I mean are you just saying that allowed I mean and is it wrong to say that I guess allowed in something like this I mean there's people want to have hope people want to have faith but they also want facts and reality and when I when I go to police I kind of want facts and reality I don't necessarily want you know hoping conjecture yeah I think he's more on the hoping conjecture credibility it's that you know I can't think of how we would even think of that I don't think he thinks in terms of credibility I think he his entire laurels I imagine arresting on the success of his department so credibility doesn't really come in to play that and because because he's been in charge I mean also he's got 42 years of being unannoculated against public opinion yeah hasn't bothered him for that long so it's not gonna bother now I mean it's just this is just this is just another day to him it's just that's why you that's why it's interesting because people keep knocking him on

11:34going to the gym going to basketball games doing driving his sports car around you know because the image is putting out there is not a good one right well it is an ocular against it because you know what he does it every day he don't care it's just another day this is just another investigation for him and then it happens to be that there's far more eyes on him than there ever have been but that doesn't appear to affect him in any way shape or form he doesn't care nope you know why because he knows the odds of removing him from office yeah when you have that kind when when you yield I mean is that I mean is that something that really should be reviewed across departments across across municipalities across the country of what levers do we have in place to remove someone should we get someone like this in power and it's gonna be interesting because you know some places you know there already is leadership in there that is running and existing because this kind of structure exists so there's not gonna be a whole lot of interest in changing that up but there will certainly be municipalities and jurisdictions where

12:41where they they're open and they have the ability to make some change but again like I said in another piece it really feels like these sort of considerations were not made when these sort of rules and laws were put in place because the assumption is made that everybody is going to be really on the up and up and nobody's gonna be in there that has some sort of a toxic personality or some sort of narcissistic type personality and I'm not diagnosing him but that that is incapable of seeing their own flaws and and just running the ship into a wall saying there's no wall ahead it's like now they're clearly as he doesn't see it doesn't see it he's going straight towards it well what levers can we pull we don't have any to pull that seems to be kind of where we're at maybe we should get those in place to prevent the next nettles it's really interesting it's a great question is I don't know I haven't I've never because you know what I'm gonna do after it's like a deep dive in research right but I'm really curious too because so here you have he's elected official and now if he's treated like every other elected official but he's in this

13:46position that's an interesting dilemma because if you look at a politician like say the county supervisor if the county supervisor there's elected official who really is the county supervisor leading or they just managing are they managing resources are managing budgets so you know they're really in a position where they're not leading they're managing the welfare the structure the infrastructure all the things we need water power all those things you know that's what that that mechanism set up for you know the small you know local governments but nanos now here's another person that's an elected position just like that that's a more of a management role now you have someone who's actually elected to lead hundreds of law enforcement you know sworn officers and protect public safety at a very personal one-on-one level that requires it I would think a usually different skill set and different I would think different level of accountability for their actions because it affects many more people on a much more grander level so you wouldn't

14:51think that the lever to remove a town a town supervisor would necessarily should be the same as the ability to remove a sheriff who is inept corrupt or incapable of performing a function of their job which is public safety yeah I mean nanos I mean he's he's not striking me as someone who's like you know malicely trying to do harm though he just incompetent incompetent you know I mean exact it's like just go retire just you know go enjoy your time whatever definitely incompetent messaging because it's messaging what it's come down to who knows behind the scenes but obviously behind the scenes his all his cops that sign the petition saying you're incompetent so it's one thing public opinion as well as internally you got issues what if he was what if he I mean I'm not saying he is but like they they essentially the way it's structured right now you could have somebody who's under doing a lot of nefarious stuff and there's really not a lever to get rid of them I mean I mean I mean there is the it's like oh there's the recall good luck with

15:51that I mean just good luck I mean I think there's five to 10 I looked up I did the research on how that would happen it's like five to 10% chance that that even would be effective it's and maybe that's a lever where it's like maybe like the because it's a set number it says it has to be X amount and it's it basically they need a hundred and twenty thousand signatures verified signatures not just let's go on a website and click a box now we're talking like literally going door to door what's your name what's your address can I see some ID and then we got to find a way that we can actually back this up so they we can't just go and oh you made up all of these no yes as I be terrified yes I as I remember it off on the research I did again I'll probably get it wrong so correct me but it is it has to be 25% of those who actually can be verified that actually voted for him in the first election or voted in the first election you know so they have to verify that they actually voted in the election of him and it has to be at least 25% of that voting

16:53population it's something like that I don't know the exact stat yeah but it is something where it's like I mean can it be done yeah I mean in theory I mean I guess my microwave could also power us to get to the moon too if it were like reprogrammed but is it going to happen no I mean it's just it's a feat that is is almost impossible to reach with the amount of manpower you would need to get there and I think you'd almost need a sheriff in place that's really doing absolutely horrible shit not just incompetent to I think drive that level of turnout to sign this thing to really you know I don't know that they have it I don't know there's enough motivation here to do it just being incompetent I don't think drives that level of outrage super the board I mean it's too bad that the board you know like my town I live in here in Virginia you know we have a board of supervisors and each of those board of supervisors are elected by their districts

17:55and in our county and I think we have like five or six of them in my county that are on the board of supervisors for each of the districts in the county like Nana's would cover like our sheriff you would think that all right so the recall won't work or is an effective how come the board of supervisors you can make a simple rule like it has to be a unanimous decision by the board of supervisors based on based on what the union says or based on what but you know that they could actually call for a vote of no confidence by the board of supervisors to have a reelection now granted he could run again and maybe he wins all right but how not why not just trigger that if in extreme cases you know and all it would do is to and if they could get the signatures it doesn't remove him it just triggers a new election yeah um you know easier yeah I mean I feel like maybe maybe the entry level the point of entry should be a little more realistic when you have a situation like this don't make it so like anybody can just keep recalling back and forth that gets to be a little monotonous and and unproductive but maybe make it so it's not like

18:59end of the world type scenario where you need if you need to pull this lever you can do it more like there's smoke and there's fire over here we need to put it up before it completely engulfs the whole building yeah we got a way till the fire catches a majority of the structure before we we do that well it's really bad right now why don't we do it we got to wait that's the probably that's that's the criteria and that's kind of where we're sitting yeah the union's actions on this sort of ones that really kind of shifted shift in my focus because until the union like voted unanimously the vote of no confidence against him I was like I was literally just he was in the back of my mind at this time though I know but I mean it was one of those things I was like I was disregarding him as just regular noise and level management because I'm so used to seeing it not just on this on cases that we cover but all over all over um and that's why when you have I always used to say no matter what job you had inside the bureau it didn't matter if you found the great boss that's who you hold on to and you never leave their side because it's because they're that rare and so when the analyst I was totally dismissing them but when you actually have such an

20:04outcry internally that's what really got in my attention on this yeah he needs to go and that's what I was surprised because when I saw the headline yesterday I'm like well I know this vote happened a while ago one did no this is yes it's like two days ago like this is a brand new vote yeah so it's not the first time that they've gone through and done this poll and and gotten this this this response because you know it's interesting because I mean so you put yourself in those uh you two members shoes this is them now saying oh my god this might be our chance to finally get rid of him and so that's what triggered it because they see this as an opportunity to write their own leadership as well we'll see if it does anything your thoughts in the comment section on sub-stack and youtube we will continue our conversation there want more on this case and others then press subscribe now and don't miss a moment of true crime coverage from Tony bruski and the hidden killers podcast true back inside here from www weild and the claymore can be a life of chaos when I'm not dominating in the ring chumba casino is how this warrior takes a wee break

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