MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF: Lakesha Thompson

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1:01Hi crime junkies, I'm your host Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And today's story starts with a question. If someone dies from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, how many inconsistencies would it take before you start questioning what really happened? One, two, more? What if responding officers called out those inconsistencies while on the scene? Well, that's what happened here. And yet three years later, a family is still desperately asking questions that law enforcement don't seem to want to answer. This is the story of LaKisha Thompson. Andrea Fluker is woken up from a dead sleep by her phone on May 24, 2023.

2:19Now when she looks at the screen, she sees it's 4 a.m. Spam calls don't usually come in at this hour. Plus it's an Atlanta area code where she knows that her mom is visiting her new fiance. So she picks up. And sure enough on the other end is her mom's brand new fiance Nathan Fitton. Andrea doesn't like Nathan. Doesn't like that her mom, LaKisha Thompson is engaged in because the little that she's gotten to know about him through their hot and cold relationship over the last couple of years, she doesn't like. Like the few times that Nathan would text or call Andrea, it felt like he was trying to stir up drama. He would accuse her mom LaKisha of seeing other men and then make Andrea this like middle man between him and her mom. And sometimes they would even call her in the middle of their arguments and somehow Nathan would seem to twist things to make it seem like Andrea was the problem too. And he recently told Andrea that she was blowing up his life and he had a ring. He was going to propose to her mom, but because of her now that's not going to happen.

3:23And clearly to make her feel bad. Well, and clearly, Eli, since they're obviously engaged now. Yeah, something that none of LaKisha's four children were excited about when they announced it. Like they just got engaged like three days before all of this. They saw through Nathan. Bro was toxic. Like just a couple of days before LaKisha flew to Atlanta. Andrea got a call from her sister saying that her mom was on the phone with Nathan and he said that he was going to kill himself. And then he went totally silent on the phone. LaKisha thought that he had taken his own life right then and there. Obviously, he didn't. Obviously, we like see this behavior is toxic. But like what could her kids do? Their mom is a grown woman. So middle of the night call from Nathan. Andrea is probably like rolling her eyes as he launches right into the drama as expected. He tells her that LaKisha stormed out of his house. I guess they've been drinking. They started arguing. They even called off their engagement.

4:24And now he doesn't know where she went. And Andrea is like, okay, like hold on. You let my mom just like walk off alone in the middle of the night in a city that she's not familiar with. Because LaKisha was living in Michigan at this time where Andrea is. She doesn't know Atlanta. So she's like, go out and get her. But then all of a sudden Nathan changes his too. She's like, listen, I'm trying to find her phone. She lost it. Can you call her phone for me? And Andrea, who has a young baby at home and her last day of lobotomy class in a couple of hours, is like, what do you mean? Why are you calling me to call her? Use your phone. Yeah. The one you have in your hands. Exactly. Like why do you need me to do that? Why are you calling me at all? And also go get my mom. Yes. And all of a sudden Nathan goes, wait, she's back. She's trying to come inside. And he tells Andrea that her mom is ringing the doorbell. She's banging on the door, neither of which she's like hearing in the background.

5:26And then Nathan just hangs up. Now before going back to bed, Andrea checks her mom's location. She's still at Nathan's house, or at least her phone is. Right. So despite what she told Nathan, she does try calling her, but her mom doesn't pick up. So assuming that this will resolve itself like all of the fights before, Andrea goes back to sleep, not realizing that today would be different. And that call was the beginning of a new reality for her. Five hours later, after Andrea has gotten up, she's taken care of her baby, she's begun to fight traffic in the suburbs of Detroit on her way to school. Her phone rings again. Another Atlanta number. Not Nathan's, though. So she picks up cautiously, not really knowing who or what to expect. But none of the scenarios that quickly ran through her mind were this, because it was the Clayton County Medical Examiner's office calling to notify her that her mom had died

6:29from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Now mind you, Andrea is driving on the highway when she gets this news. And she told us she just started screaming. She said that her options were to scream or to pass out. So she hangs up and screaming and crying. She somehow makes it to school. And basically as soon as she gets there, she says she actually did pass out. When she comes to, Andrea calls the number back because she's finally got her wits about her. And now that she does, she's got questions. Now none of this is making sense to her. But according to Andrea, they just tell her again, it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. We're not going to do an autopsy because the cause and manner is clear to them. And they're not the investigators, so they can't really tell her anything else. So you know, she keeps trying to ask, but they're like, listen, you got to talk to somebody else. She's not getting anywhere with this medical examiner's office.

7:30So she says that she tries getting a hold of the lead detective on this case. And that would have been detective Andrea Roses. But when she gets her on the phone, detective Roses is telling her the same story. It was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Nathan told first responders about how much they'd been drinking, her mom's battles with mental health. Like, sorry, there's really nothing to investigate here. Now Andrea feels like they're not listening to her and all of this stuff that she feels like they're leaving out. Yes, her mom had her troubles. But she was in treatment. She'd recently completed a mental health retreat out in Arizona. And she was telling her friends and family how much better she was feeling. She was also making plans for the future. She was going to be a bridesmaid in her best friend, Tanya's wedding. She had planned this big trip. She bought a dress, everything. She was excited to celebrate her friend. And she was excited about her own life, too. She would not do this.

8:31Certainly not this way. She's not even sure Laquisha could pull a trigger either, by the way, because of her carpal tunnel. But honestly, that's not even the thing that's driving the majority of her concern. The Nathan of it all is. She tells Detective Roses that if her mom is dead, they need to be looking at Laquisha's new fiance Nathan. And they need to do an autopsy. But according to Andrea, Detective Roses said that they know what happened to Laquisha. She shot herself. And the family's going to need to pay about $7,000 for their own autopsy if that's what they really want. And that is where the call ends. But Andrea can't just drop it. Even while she's busy planning her mom's funeral and trying to raise money to pay for it, she keeps following up with detectives, offering information about Nathan and pushing for answers. And whether it's her pushing or something else, she finally gets one piece of good news, a few days after her mom's death.

9:33Investigators have decided they are going to do an autopsy after all. So it seems like they might be getting on the same page. But Andrea is still pretty unhappy with the speed of progress and with the communication that she's been getting from the department. And Detective Roses specifically. It seems like Andrea is doing a lot of this legwork. Where is Nathan doing all of this? This is the wild part. He is like fully ghosting Andrea. Like she found out all this from the medical examiner. Remember, she calls the detective. He doesn't call her. He doesn't text her. Like, nobody in her family has heard from him. Like, which is just so odd to me. It's like radio, science. Yeah, that's so strange. Yeah. Andrea just feels like she is in this information void. Like just suspended in this purgatory waiting for autopsy results to come back from the Georgia Bureau of investigation. They're the ones who stepped in to do it. And it's like this for four months until Detective Roses finally calls.

10:34It's now September 27, 2023. And she says the GBI has ruled Laquisha's death a suicide. They say that Laquisha's blood alcohol level was 0.3. And she had other drugs in her system that could have added to the effects of alcohol. Like Gabapentin. They also point to blood spatter on Laquisha's right hand, the one that the gun was found in. And they say that is evidence enough that she was holding the gun in that hand when she pulled the trigger. And because of that ruling by the GBI, Clayton County is officially closing the case. So Andrea is just shocked. She doesn't believe that her mom took her own life. Or that investigators have enough information, at least, to call this case closed. But she's going to have to turn to other means to get answers. So when Laquisha's life insurance policy finally comes through, the first thing that the family does is hire a private investigator, Walter Reddick.

11:34Walter knows how to navigate the system. And he knows that they got to start by getting their hands on everything that the police have. What are they working off of to call this case closed? He wants to see everything they have from the night Laquisha died. And every report that came after that should be easy enough, right? I'm going to close case. Yeah. Wrong. Her closed case file takes six months and some legal pressure to get released. But it is all worth it. Because Walter and Andrea feel like every bit of evidence in the file tells a different story. According to Nathan's 911 call, which came into dispatch about two and a half hours after his middle of the night call to Andrea. What girl? We just got ourselves in. She shot herself. She shot herself. She's not open though. She did not want her face. She did. She did. I don't want purpose.

12:34I mean, she was just looking down in my head. And I could have killed me. I could kill me. So she put the gun in your hand first and you tell her to kill you. I know she was gone. OK, wait a minute. Calm down. Calm down. The dispatcher asks again if she did this on purpose. And Nathan just keeps saying she's crazy. She pointed the gun at her head. dispatch also keeps him talking, trying to get more information on whether the gun was loaded or not. And he keeps saying that the gun wasn't loaded. He said that he didn't even have bullets in the house. I was just pointed the gun when he was loaded. It wasn't even loaded. My gun wasn't even loaded. And who got her? She got her loaded. What's your name? What's your name? Is she breathing? No, she's not. She just pointed the gun. Just pointed the gun. Nathan keeps offering up information on the call. He says they've been drinking. And he told her he wasn't going to be with her anymore. He was going to call up the engagement the day before she was supposed to get back on

13:36a plane to Detroit. And you can hear him get more and more worked up as he seems to be talking to Laquisha, as she lay dead or dying in front of him. Oh God, what was this? What was this? What was this? What was this? He was like, I can't. What was this? What was this? What was this? What was this? What was this? I was late. Nathan, I want to try to... The dispatcher tries calming him down and letting him know that the paramedics are on their way. And Nathan keeps saying that he didn't know she was going to do that. And saying, I'm so sorry, over and over. And Nathan tells her the one thing he kept repeating to responding officers when they arrive. I didn't mean it. Body hem footage picks up right where the 911 call leaves off. And the scene. And Nathan's behavior.

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17:43The records paint a comprehensive picture of that warning. Now on the footage, officers, a lot of them to be honest, respond to Nathan's house on a seemingly quiet residential street. Laquisha is in the middle of the living room, sprayed out with a gun in her right hand and a gunshot wound to the same side of her head. There is no doubt that she's deceased. And there's Nathan sitting on a couch naked and crying. Is Laquisha naked? No, that's the thing. I have no idea why Nathan is naked. Now he managed to get like a shirt or something draped over his lap, but like nothing else. And he's crying out. I didn't mean it. Which, what does he mean by that? I'm so confused by that statement. So it's hard to understand him because he is like inconsolable and still seemingly under the influence. But I want to play you just this quick clip of one of the officers, like first interaction with him. So you know what I mean. And this might be a little bit hard to understand, but I'm going to come back in.

18:46We can talk about it after. But I want you to hear exactly what he says in his words. Hello. I'm David. I just didn't get you. Hey, hey, we want to say to you. I just didn't get you. Hey, we want to say to you. I want to say to you. I just didn't get you. I want to say to you. That was my brother. I'm a pre-adventure. I didn't get you. Why? All right. What did you mean? You didn't mean what? I mean, we kind of be like men. I say I didn't want to be here anymore. I was just saying I said. What's her name, man? What's her name? Lucicia. Lucicia? Lucicia or Lucicia? Lucicia or Lucicia? Lucicia? What's your name, sir? Nathan. Nathan. Calm down for me, okay? I know you very upset. Okay. Your heart ain't in this. I said, she put the ground in my head. And I told her, I said kill me, baby. I said kill me. Come here. Come here. Where your room at? Where your room at? Where your room at, Nathan? Come here. That's put some pants on. So you heard the officer asked him specifically, what didn't you mean? And the first thing out of his mouth was

19:46we got in an argument. I said I didn't want to be with her. And then he starts crying. So I think that's what he's saying. I mean, I think everyone's assumption when they hear, like I didn't mean it, is like I didn't mean to kill her. I mean, I know that police probably thought that statement was us because that's the whole reason they brought in the criminal investigation division. But he said stuff to that affect multiple times. Talking about him breaking up with her. And it wasn't worth her doing that to herself. But he's also super intoxicated. Right. But they never get to ask him about this when he's sober and calm because when officers get him down to the station, they have to terminate the interview because he is so intoxicated. And spoiler alert, Nathan lawyers up almost immediately. He is not working with detectives and he is not talking. So all they have to go off of to paint a picture of what happened is the jumbled words

20:46that they captured on body cam footage from an intoxicated man in between sobs. And even there, it is really hard to paint a picture of what he's saying happened play by play because he doesn't give a story from start to finish. But he seems to indicate that they got in an argument about him not going to her mother's funeral. Like her ex-husband was there and she thought that he should have been too. And then things escalated from there. I can't tell the order in which this happened but he talks about her going to get a gun from the bedroom, her pointing a gun at him, her leaving and coming back, her firing, what she told him was a warning shot and he heard it come from the hallway. And then again pointing the gun at him and that's when he told her to just shoot him and she turned the gun on herself. Now over and over, he repeats that there shouldn't have been any bullets in the gun. He does not keep it loaded. There shouldn't have been any bullets in the gun. I don't know if he gave other statements

21:47at the scene that aren't captured on body cam footage or if officers translating his words into a report distorts things slightly but his story does read a little different on paper. In a disposition summary report authored by Detective Roses, it reads that Nathan said they were arguing. He told her he wanted to end the relationship. She grabbed the gun, quote, pulled the many times. I think the word trigger might be missing because it literally says pull the many times. And it's like a really important word to be missing. I know and it's not like it's redacted just to be clear. It is a missing word. Right. So she pulled the trigger many times. Then she put the firearm to his head. He said just pull the trigger because he knew there weren't bullets. And that's when she put it to her head and fired and the gun, I guess, went off. Now the thing that's not included in the written report is the whole warning shot in the hallway that he talks about on the body cam footage.

22:47There should be two shots. And if there was a warning shot, why would he think there was no bullets in the gun? I cannot wrap my head around the order of events. And I'm not saying that they might not make sense. I just can't make sense of them because he's so inebriated the only time that I see him on tape talking to officers. And then some of the stuff that confuses me just like isn't in the actual report. Yeah. But I think one thing that could kind of answer this is did they find a bullet hole in the hallway from a warning shot? So not in the hallway, but there was another shot fired. So there appeared to be one shot in the bedroom because there was a casing on the pillow and a hole in the ceiling above the bed. But interestingly, they were never able to recover a bullet. And I guess they even searched the attic for this thing. But they're like blood or anything in there. No, no, no, no. And the bed was like unmade. The sheets are white. It would have been easy to see if something happened in the bedroom. She was definitely shot in the living room

23:47right where she was found. And to go back to the living room crime scene, I can see in the footage the moment the officers walk into Nathan's house. I see a red and black gun in Laquitia's right hand. One of the officers specifically points out how her finger is like positioned on the gun. It seems like it's almost wrapped around the trigger. And there's one police report that says quote, her index finger was observed to be in the trigger guard. Now at one point in the footage, one of the officers actually makes a comment about that. She better not be. She might not be left handed. Oh, we got some splint in to do. And guess what? You're kidding me. She's left handed. She is left handed. And so there is a lot of explaining to do since the gun is found in her right hand. And listen, even the way that she's positioned and the trajectory of the bullet, it's a little bit off from what Nathan seems to tell officers.

24:48Right. Nathan saying that she's standing over him when she took her own life. And if you picture it, imagine like if you were Laquitia's. So you are facing Nathan. He's sitting on the couch, you're facing him. But you have to fall like straight back because she's on her back, like completely straight arm, straight legs and the blood is pulled on the ground right underneath her head where she dropped. Behind her is the bullet in the door frame. So she's standing over him. She shoots the side of her head, but the bullet goes to a door frame directly across from the couch that is like what would be behind her if she's facing him straight on. It would have to make like a right angle turn. Now, it's possible that she could have been standing like sideways, not directly facing him. And that's how she like fell that way. But it seems like a weird way to land, right? Like just straight like that. But how she fell or landed like put that aside when investigators track the trajectory of the bullet.

25:49It is a straight shot through the edge of the door, like in the middle of the frame, which would have been right around waist height, even though she supposedly shot herself in the head. And how tall is she? She's five, six. So the only way for the bullet to make a straight line from her head to where it is in the door frame. She would have had to have been like sitting on the coffee table or kneeling on the floor, not standing over Nathan. And this is all in the police report? Yes, investigators on the scene made note of it. Now again, he's very intoxicated. He's sitting. She is, you know, looming over him in some way. You might say standing, right? If you're like, crouched whatever. The hard part about his statements are that we only have the ones where he's like so messed up. He again, could have probably cleared all of this up if he would have like come in and spoke but he refuses to talk to police. And then at some point, he leaves the country.

26:53So is this definitely a homicide with just what we have? No, but I think this should at least introduce a critical question here. Did Laquisha actually pull the trigger? I mean, did they do any gunshot residue testing? I was just about to get there. Okay, because that's like a pretty like, that would help, right? Yeah. Yes, they did. Or at least they did some. This is actually part of the file that really caught the PI's attention. Record show that officers did test Nathan for gunshot residue. And the results were positive. But there is nothing in the police record showing that Laquisha was even tested for gunshot residue. Now Walter tells us that he asked CCPD about this and they told him that Laquisha was tested and she didn't have any GSR on her hands. And interestingly, they also say, or we got from hand that they're like,

27:54oh, you know, anyone in a room, if you're in a room where a gun is shot, you could have GSR. So they're saying like that doesn't prove necessarily that Nathan was holding it. But if she doesn't have it, like that proves that she isn't. She's in the same room too, right? Like, am I, so like this to me, the gunshot residue who had on their hands, who didn't, who was tested, who was it? It feels really important here. It's critical to this whole thing. Like, why wouldn't those results be in the files? So we went back to CCPD and we were like, hey, is this real? Like, can you confirm A that you tested her? Yeah. And if you did, can you confirm that she did the research? Yeah. Well, not only did they decline our interview request, they said that they can't release any GSR analysis because it is part of the investigative file and not publicly disclosable. But you got the investigative file from the FOIA, right? Right. Right. I don't know why they're holding that information back.

28:54And like, especially because this case is closed. And Nathan's results are in there. Right. So it's like there's like no records of GSR testing. Yeah. Just his. So why not just sheriff she was tested or not, especially if this case is as like clear a cut as they're saying? Yes. Why? Why? But also you said you can for sure see her hand touching the gun in the body cam footage, right? I yes. But I can't like properly analyze the position or. It's not zoomed in. Yeah. Because I'm like pretty quickly officer is taken out of her hand and put it on her side to like secure this scene. It like that's what they're saying in the footage. And here's the thing like before they do that, I can hear people saying like make sure you take pictures. They're talking about taking photos of her hand holding the gun. But those pictures don't exist anywhere in the file we were given. And mind you, we were given I said hundreds of photos, all the body cam footage and these photos are graphic.

29:55I swear there are moments I can almost see them taking the photo on phone. I don't know why they're not included. But yeah, anything to do with her holding the gun, not in the file. Weirdly just pictures of her holding the gun, not in the file, which again, and I can see it on body cam footage. I just can't see it up close. I'm not saying she was not holding the gun. But like those pictures gone, the GSR gone. It's just weird. There's something else that catches the PI's attention in the case file though. Pretty early on in them responding to the scene. One of Nathan's sons pulls up now how he knew to show up is a little unclear because he says that his dad didn't call him. He just heard from a neighbor that police were there and he lives close by. But then a little bit later he said he was just talking to his dad. So like I would love to see the phone records for who Nathan was calling that morning and when. So his phone data is not part of the record. No, they I know asked him for his passcode to his phone. Like they collected it asked for his passcode.

30:57He wouldn't give it to them. And then I don't see anything else. I don't see a search warrant for his phone or any records related to his phone. But like they called this closed from like day one. This huge mess in my book. But I'm telling you the son story to tell you what one of the officers said when the son like first pulled up. So police see this car pulling in. They stop it. Tell them you can't park in the driveway or something. So the car like backs out and the officer is coming back. And he's like, oh, I thought that was going to be the same woman who we had gotten called out here about before. And when the PI hears this, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? What is he talking about? Getting called out to Nathan's house to deal with a woman like what? So he does some more records requests because that's definitely nothing about this is included in Laquisha's file anywhere. And it's probably not included in the file anywhere because the woman in this incident wasn't Laquisha. But holy crap. When I tell you what this was all about,

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34:05The records request that Walter reddit conducted for incidents that required a police response at Nathan's address returns a 911 call and report from just three months before before LaKisha was murdered. They're dated February 24th 2023. We obtain the report and three 911 calls from that instant ourselves. I just called for a police escort it. My ex-boyfriend get my stuff out of the house. He just walked outside the house. I'm on the street part of the street. You walked outside up the driveway and pointed a gun at me. I told him he had a weapon but it was on the night stand Friday Saturday and Sunday and I come to put up and put up. I didn't think he would pull it out and use it. But you know, he has told me before that when first boss of the house, I was a plant. But he said he was going to shoot me right there and why should we bleed today? Shoot me in here and why should we bleed today without an argument?

35:12He just came outside and ain't that gun at me. Dispatch asks if he gone back inside and she says, yes, she was trying to get a video of him aiming the gun at her, but he went back inside. And she says that she's not leaving because she wants her stuff. So she waits outside for officers to arrive. Am I doing the math wrong? How long were Nathan and LaKisha together? I don't think you are. Andrea told us that her mom and Nathan's relationship obviously wasn't always the best. But it was pretty consistent since they started dating in 2021. In the police report, this woman said that her relationship with Nathan was off and on. But it feels like there is overlap to me. Our reporter Taylor Day tried getting in touch with that woman, but she hasn't responded to our request. So I can't confirm that for sure. And did Nathan get charged with anything in that case? No. Because they never even talked to him or went inside the house that time.

36:12The responding officers wrote that they tried making contact with him. They knocked on the door, everything, whatever, but no one answered. And he couldn't hear anyone inside. But he's clearly in there. Right? Right. Did the woman see him leave? Well, not that I see anywhere. The officer wrote that he tried calling the suspect, but there was no answer. And there weren't any like shell casings by the front doors. Because he ended her, but he didn't shoot at her. Right. And there was a ring doorbell, but they couldn't view the footage. Basically, they had no probable cause to get a warrant on him, so they just let this go. Now, we asked CCPD about this incident, and they only told us that there were no charges ever pressed against Nathan. But by the way, Brett, that gun that she's referring to is black and red. The same gun that officers find in Laquitius' hand three months after this incident. Now, we also tried getting in touch with Nathan for this, obviously, to ask him about both incidents,

37:16but he hasn't returned our calls or our text messages. And I know we have the right number, or at least we should have the right number, because it's the same one that he used to call Andrea just two years ago. And this would have been a year after her mom died. Now, mind you, Nathan fully ghosted Andrea after her mom died. She didn't even tell her that her mom died. She learned that through detectives. Right. And by the time that the PI got involved, Nathan was already like loyered up and refusing to cooperate. So the PI didn't even reach out to him. So it's not like Nathan like went off the grid and like people couldn't find him or anything, but still he's just been like radio silent until out of the blue, a year after her mom died, Andrea gets this call that she recorded and shared with us. Now, it's not super long, but I have cut it down to just what I think are the most important parts. In back in the country I got, they told me that the investigation was over and I could pick up my stuff.

38:19I got my stuff at home. And my daughter told me that she's saying something online saying that you guys said that I chose to mom, and I'm like, what? You did. But I would ask you, I didn't see you love. You're my only girl mom had a good night everything. A friend called her. A friend called her and told her because she didn't want to go to the wedding. I remember this too. A friend called her and told her if she didn't come to her wedding, she was never going to see her again. And your mom starts breaking his hands. Breaking breaking goes. So you got it to us. I'm breaking it. And then I called, she went outside, went out and left. And I called you. I don't know. What's wrong with the mom? Don't remember that? Yeah. What all did you say? I said, this is close to making a change. You know, so I don't, I don't kind of remember everything that I told you to happen. But because she was out of her control, there she came back.

39:24And the girl was on the, on the dress and the brab was young. And she put it to my hand. So I'm thinking that it's nothing to do in any way. So I said, I think, I think go ahead and kill me. I said, I'm ready to go see my mom and dad in any way. So then she took the gun off to me, went back in the bedroom. So the gun didn't have no bullets in it anyway. I only had two bullets. It was in my, it was in my jewelry box. So every queen I had, she was in the room. I'm still in the, in the living room. There's naked news. I hear the gun go off shooting the ceiling. So I'm like, it's no bullets to take care of. And then she said, I could warning, Doc. I was soaked. So I was like, well, that must have been the one I was in the chamber. But when she came, I was in the living room, came I wouldn't put her in. Pointing through her head, saying, she's got to know you ain't gonna do it. Stop doing it. You kept walking in front of me, in some kind of trip.

40:27It's gun went off. That was it. So there is a lot to unpack there. But for the most part, his story isn't that different from what he told police the day of Lequisha's death. But there are some glaring inconsistencies like the fact that she tripped. Where did that come from? Yeah. I scoured the records. And I couldn't find anywhere that Nathan told police Lequisha tripped and the gun went off. I mean, her tripping would kind of make more sense, at least to me, then, if... With like the bullet trajectory. The bullet trajectory, yeah. But that's not what he said happened before. He said that she turned the gun on herself because of their argument, because he was gonna break up with her. An argument which is... Now about something else? Not too, right? Like, at the scene, he's saying that she did it because he was gonna break up with her. They had fought about him not going to her mom's funeral.

41:27Right. The fight escalated. He threatened to break up with her. Now there is this whole other thing before this. Like where she starts drinking because her friend threatened to cut her or cut ties with her if she didn't come to her wedding. I mean, maybe both are true. Like, if that's what started her drinking that night, and then she got upset over other stuff, he could have just found out about the fight in... Like the fight with the friend in the year or so, like since or something. Except... No. But, I mean, first of all, like, I don't think he's talking to anyone again in... He's ghosting everybody. Everybody. And he didn't find out about anything because none of that is true. At least according to the friend. There's nothing to find out. The friend that he's referring to is Lakisha's best friend of over 30 years. Tanya Malone, who was willing to talk to us and answer my biggest questions. Did you tell Lakisha that you wouldn't see her again if she didn't come to your wedding? And she says, no.

42:29More than that, she's like, Lakisha didn't tell me anything about not even being able to make it. She's like, the last I heard from her was that she was printing out her travel plans. And earlier, Lakisha had told her that the only thing that could keep her from Tanya's wedding was nothing but death. So let me play a little more of Nathan's call to Andrea for you. So what are you calling me for right now? I mean, I just got my phone back. So I... I... I should've been calling her in there and know because I could've called you and thought... I couldn't call... I couldn't call nobody before. So I just wanted to stream it out. Let you know what happened because they told me to not call you or they would fill you or what happened. But apparently, they didn't fill you over. You didn't tell them what happened either. I told them everything that happened. I told them... I told them investigators what happened the first time. I told her if she kept wanting me to come down there and tell her what happened again and again.

43:31I was like, God, I don't want to be living this over and over. It wouldn't have happened, period, because she didn't do that. She don't even know how to use a gun. Are you serious? Your mom does? Your mom used to be in a gang. So you just went out the country just and been going ever since? I mean, I was never since. I mean, I'm moving out of custody. You know what I mean? So now life just gets to go on from you after this. And it's been a whole year later and you just now reaching out. I was told I say, thank you. That's just crazy to me. That's not what I was told. I don't know what you told, but I know what I was told. I'm just saying to the viewer, I'm not... I have no reason to lie about it. I love your mom. I mean, why would I... Why would I? Same question I want to know. Remember when I called you, I said, some moment, mom.

44:31I called you social. And left my house where walking. And you hung up on me because you said that she was at the door bill. And I never heard the door bill. I said, she was at the door. Came in the door. That's not what you said. You said that she was ringing the door bill. I never locked the door. No, I don't want to bring the door bill. I never even locked the door. I remember the conversation like it was yesterday. It's me that's traumatized, not you. I'm traumatized myself. I was traumatized, not you. I mean, I noticed your mom and I was crying. I didn't have anything to ask you. Everything, but... Somethings when you see something, I can't see. That's pretty much the end of their conversation. Nathan trying to explain why he is more traumatized than Andrea. And that her mom would have been comfortable with guns because she was in a gang. Which Andrea said is a total lie. So while we had Tanya on the phone, I also wanted to ask her about this.

45:32Why is LaKisha ever in a gang? And Tanya literally just laughed. She told our reporter that the only gang LaKisha was in was a mom again. She was busy raising her kids, getting her degree. She said that LaKisha did not have time to be in a gang. She also said that LaKisha didn't go looking for violence. But if it came to her, she was going to put up a fight. And Andrea helped clarify what that meant. She said that if LaKisha was wronged, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility for things to get physical. But she never used weapons. Guns, knives, none of that. Also, why is Nathan trying to gaslight her into thinking that he never mentioned the doorbell or LaKisha banging on the door that night? And so that 4am call to Andrea wasn't recorded. So no one but her and Nathan know what was said on that call. But you know what could tell us the absolute truth

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48:36So I'm telling you whether you are a horror fan or not. If you are a crime junkie, this story will resonate. I'm going to be watching so don't miss out. Set a reminder. Carry is streaming October 7th only on Prime Video. In the police records, detectives got a search warrant to collect both the ring doorbell camera that Nathan had at his front door. And the camera that he had inside that covered the hallway of his house, the one that went from the bedroom to the living room. But if footage was pulled, stored, reviewed, can't tell you. Because there isn't anything else about the cameras in the file. And none of the footage was released to us. Was the PI able to get it? No.

49:36Now he's saying that they never reviewed any footage from any camera, like they being the police. Though I don't know where he got that information. And we're just getting that from him. So I was like, listen, if this is legit, we need to verify that with the department. So we reached out to them. Our reporter Taylor had actually emailed major Francisco Romero, who is the commander of the Criminal Investigations Division at CCPD. But it was so weird. We were asking about these cameras in this email. And his response back was like, I can't talk to you about the cameras. Because this is an open and active case. What? Which, the first that I'm hearing of this, so I was like, go back to him and be like, actually, is it? So we went back and was like, hey, we've been told we had this close. We had this email of you telling the family that everyone believes that this case is closed. Is that is our new information? Is that true? Yeah.

50:36Yeah, is someone working this case? Is it every opened? Yeah, it's always closed. And he was like, he didn't say it. He was like, oopsie, Daisy. He was basically like, I misspoke. It is closed. Which leads me back to my first question. So now that we answer the question. Now that we're on the same page about this being a closed case, talk to me about the cameras. Yeah. Well, he is saying that he is still not going to disclose anything about that, at least as of this recording. So I don't know what was on those cameras. I know they collected them, review the footage, store the footage, collect the footage, Walter thinks cameras or no cameras. They, the police should see what he sees, even without all of that. He thinks there's at least enough to get them to reopen the case. He says between what he's been told about the gunshot residue test, what we know is in the file about Nathan's positive test, what we know about the bullet trajectory, how the gun was found in her right hand when she was left handed.

51:37And now, by the way, when he's, he's got this recorded call, where Nathan is saying that LaKisha tripped and the gun went off. So Walter thinks like, with all of this, there's enough for police to at least take a second look. So he goes to them with all of this and he asks, but they say, no. Now by this point, Walter and Andrea are working with an attorney, named Chelsea Golding. And she requests a meeting with the medical examiner at the GBI. Right? Like if we're going back, Clayton County relied heavily on the GBI's death ruling to close the case. So they're like, maybe if we can get that change, then they'll reconsider. So in November 2024, Walter and Chelsea get on a Zoom call with Dr. Keith Layman. He's the GBI ME who performed LaKisha's autopsy. And they walk him through what they found, even explain that the police have pretty much all of this information. It's not like this is like new or hearsay.

52:39And I have to imagine that Walter was shocked when Dr. Layman tells him he didn't have any of this information when he made his ruling. He wasn't given photos of the death scene. He didn't have the investigative context. Now in the official autopsy report, it says that the only evidence they received was the deceitened. Nothing else is listed. CCPD gave us a blanket statement that they, quote, provide all legally required and relevant investigative summaries to the GBI to assist in their findings. End quote. And I understand wanting to get an unbiased opinion, right? But the context clearly matters. Yeah. Because I know it's us here, because Dr. Layman takes some time to review the additional materials that Walter gave him and a couple of weeks after their meeting, the GBI officially changes LaKisha's manner of death from suicide to undetermined. And this feels like the second big win, Andrea and the family get.

53:43Finally, someone is listening to their pleas and seeing the things that don't add up. Now that the GBI has changed their ruling, Chelsea and Walter go back to CCPD, have us sit down with Major Romero and some other brass as Walter called them. But there was one person missing, someone they specifically requested to speak with. And that was Detective Roses, who was the primary detective on this case. Now, Major Romero still listens as Walter walks them through his findings and they seem receptive to wanting to find the truth. But they like to take this in, they're not going to make the decision in the room. Months go by. And then in February of 2026, Major Romero comes back with a decision. In an email to Chelsea, who is the lawyer, he says that they looked at the original investigation and they are not reopening LaKisha's case. He also says that the GBI only changed their ruling because of pressure from the family.

54:45He says the information that they gave him didn't turn up any new leads. He says their heart broken for Ms. Thompson's family and will keep them in his thoughts and prayers. Andrea and team gets pretty much the same response when they try to take all of this to the DA. They could call a grand jury, but the DA tells Andrea's attorney that they're deferring to CCPD, who is refusing to reopen the case at all. Which is why Andrea came to us to help share her mom's story. Clayton County stands by their decision. Major Romero responded to our request for comment and said that the case is closed. Now we're on the same page. But if new, credible, and verifiable evidence becomes available, they'll review it. But here is what the point of this episode is for me. I'm not saying Nathan has to be arrested and tried. I don't know what happened in that home.

55:46But there should be evidence that tells us. So this is the ask. This is the pressure I want to apply. If it is so black and white and the answers are all right there in the case files, then release everything. Then show us. Why are you holding back certain information like GSR results for LaKisha or any kind of digital evidence? The technology in the house could very well show what happened in those early hours that day. What could phone data show? The gaps in evidence being released is what leaves all of this room for doubt. And like forget me, who cares if I have questions? Andrea should not have to live with these kinds of questions. Show her. Show Walter. If you can't show them proof that LaKisha took her own life, well then that's when we have a bigger problem on our hands, don't we? If a full and thorough investigation was done,

56:47show us. And for anyone out there, if you have relevant information about LaKisha Thompson or Nathan Fitten, you can send that to Clayton County PD. They still classify this case as closed. So also feel free to send information to us. Our email is tips at audiochuck.com. And in light of our discussion of suicide today, I want to remind people that if you or anyone you know is thinking about suicide, please know that emotional support can be reached by calling or texting the suicide in Crisis Lifeline at 988. Crime junkie is an audio chuck production. I think Chuck would approve. It starts with something small. A light in the sky moving in a way it shouldn't. A sound no one can place. A story someone swears is true, even if no one else believes them. And the more you hear, the harder it gets to explain away.

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