My most HEATED MAGA debate ever…

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1:25180 days into this war that was supposed to be 4 to 6 weeks, the nuclear material is still sitting in Iran, and you're going to sit here and say, oh, it's under the rubble, it is still in Iran, they still have the blueprints they can rebuild it again just like they did before. You guys know I love debate. That's why I'm happy to be joined by one of the sharpest debaters on the right, Matt Nuclear. Matt works for the Daily Wire, and we're going to go head-to-head on a few contentious issues. Matt, thank you for joining me. Thank you for having me. My claim is, Donald Trump has completely lost control of his Iran war. Let's start off with saying, with basically getting into it, right? So, what do you think Trump's objective with the Iran war? Yeah, I think there are about four different objectives that he weighed differently. There was obviously the denuclearization of Iran. There was removing their missile capacity, stopping their ability to fund proxies in the region, and then he talked a lot about regime change. I think if we went through all four of these, where 180 days into the war, we haven't achieved any of the... Okay, let's get into it. Do you think that we've denuclearized them? Well, yes. So, in the Tans, Fordo, it's behind nuclear facilities. Where's the nuclear material right now? Yeah, but where is the nuclear material? I can respond again.

2:26Can I get into this response? So, nuclear material, like, in rich uranium, is not the only thing you obviously need. You need centrifuges. I believe one-fifth centrifuges were destroyed. It's not even more during midnight hammer, for example. But we have destroyed, again, the Tans is Fohan in Fordo nuclear facilities. And so, in terms of nuclear capabilities, there's no evidence to suggest that they are anywhere near where they were prior. Now, another thing that I'll mention. Let's just go topic by topic. Didn't we destroy them during the first operation? We destroyed them during a bunch of centrifuges. Okay, yeah. But why do we have to go back again? Yeah, but because they have rebuilt. They have rebuilt. Okay, so what's stopping them from rebuilding again, given that they have the nuclear... What's your plan? Let me finish. They have the nuclear material in Iran. The scientists have been scattered across the country, and the blueprints to rebuild these facilities, according to agencies, are up in the cloud. They're being stored there. So, Iran can rebuild their facilities, and yet Trump has made no actual progress. Are you building your nuclear material out? In 2010. No. Okay, so, it's stuck in it. Stocksend, 2010 was basically a computer virus that was both run by Israel and America. And with this did, it was destroyed like one-fifth of Iran's centrifuges, for example. The goal is not that we are going to stay in Iran and physically occupy it with troops and then prevent any nuclearization in the future.

3:30But if you keep setting them back and preventing them from getting nuclear weapons, that is still a win, right? Because no one wants a nuclear armed Iran. Hold on, hold on. In the inference of that, in furtherance of... In furtherance of... In furtherance of that, for example. Right? Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism. According to the FED, they spend about $15 billion spending on terrorist groups like the Houthis in Yemen, who in 2024 did about one... It was again. It was $200 billion with economic damage. It was a world economic forum. And Hamas, obviously, which did the second-largest terrorist act in the 21st century, only second to 9-11. And we have Husband and something on which obviously undermines 11 months. I'm not going to contest that, you have this. Right. Well, that's the thing. When we did our sort of blockade of Iran's blockade or sort of disruption... After Trump said the Trumps... Of the straight-up removes, they were losing like $3.8 billion a day. There's like many different estimates on how much money they've lost to someone to say up for the $40 billion of lost oil revenue, but the numbers are out there. That objective, because you mentioned an appointment in terms of preventing them from... From purporting terrorism. That is, of course, in the gates to our ability to purport terrorism. If you lose them, might... Can I respond to that? That's a lost thing. Okay.

4:32Another thing. I need for some of the $1.9 billion... Okay, one more thing. 90% of the missile arsenal has objectively been decimated, including their Shahedad drone capability. Two at Eastern degree, not 100% but Eastern degree. On top of 90% of their navy also being decimated. I find it interesting, because you did a Jubilee roundtable on June 7th, where you were debating very similar points. Almost ad nauseam. That was 85 days ago. And since then, all you've seen is a memorandum of understanding that blows up basically all of your points. Donald Trump... No, Donald Trump absolutely said that he was signing the MOU, and then he said out loud that he was okay with Iran retaining their missile capacity. He then... There was no MOU signing. Yes, there was. Okay, there's a deal. What's the deal? No, the memorandum of understanding was called the Islamabad memorandum. Yeah, I'm asking JDM. What are the other... Okay, there were 14 points. There was a $300 billion restitution fund. Those old countries were going to be giving it to Iran. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Are you really being this disingenuous? You were just complaining that Iran... Are you saying that Iran is losing access to their funds? And then I point out, there are about 300 billion dollars. That's not going to take you to the front. Because it fell

5:36apart and Trump has lost control. Wait, let me finish. You just went on for a while. Do you think the straight-of-form was just open right now? Completely open? No, let's say Trump says we've won this war. He was lying. No, I don't think he... He says, no answer the question. Trump says he won this war. Yeah, so in terms of military ability on this... Nuclearized them? Wait, can you... Let me answer the question. Yeah, but you're not really... You want to ask me questions, but you don't want me to answer the question. You're not really fully answered. In terms of the MOU, me and many different proponents of the Iran War, for example, immediately can I answer those total BS? Hold on, hold on, hold on. So when it comes to the US, better than the JCPOA. So we're not going to be able to... Do you think it was better than the JCPOA? No, I'm asking you. Just on your response, it seems like you're sort of like a little nervous here. Just on your response. I'm not nervous. So there's no 300 billion dollars we're going to receive. The MOU was thrown to the bin as it should have been. Now people say that they were going to receive your line. Okay, so people were saying that the federal government is going to do it. That was a complete lie when Democrats came to that. Wait, so did Trump sign it or not? That's not true. And on top of that, people... There's many different conspiracy theories about it or believe. Some people say that it was a plan to sort of manipulate Iran, like we've done before. But no one exactly knows. But that's not

6:40a thing that is going to be effectuated. So let's talk about what's actually going to be effectuated. Wait, no, that was Trump's deal. One of the many... Hold on, hold on. Can I just say one thing? Hold on, has Trump still going on the MOU? Yes or no? It fell apart. It's not one of the four points. Hold on, it's not one of the four points, right? De-nuclearization. The tons is going on. Over-done nuclear facilities have been destroyed. Top nuclear... Top nuclear scientists have been killed. Hamani is no longer in office. And on top of that, many of their top military officials in Central Asia have been... Back up for one second. Maybe let me... Let me have your opinion, bro. Miss Al-Kabili hasn't been estimated. And in reference to our ability to prevent Iran from exporting oil, that is obviously decreased or oil revenue, which prevents them from funding terrorism, all four points have essentially been hit. No, they have not. Yes, they have. Why are we still there? Why is the straight-of-form move still closed? There's different wars now. Wait, I have a chart right here of the straight-of-form move. There's only 100 percent close or semi-permeable? It is closed since the beginning of the war. So Donald Trump... 100 percent close. Look at Donald's average money. There's three ships getting through a day and they were 100 before.

7:42Okay, let's go ahead and look at this. Look at this. Look at this. So this will be for the war. This would be semi-permeable. And you can see the spike here. You think the straight-of-form move is completely open here? Yeah, no one is saying completely open. Oh, how about this. Donald Trump said the straight-of-form move... Look at this. Look at, no, look at this. The straight-of-form move is open and will remain open. The straight-of-form move is completely open. You just said that no one said it was completely open. So are you lying or are you just saying, go ahead and explain how we went from this, right? And there are certain spikes here. These are spikes during negotiations. Are you lying? Are you being disingenuous right now? Wait, so what is the explanation for this? Are you lying? Wait, hold on, hold on. Let's talk to you. Are you lying or are you being disingenuous? Hold on, hold on. Let's go through this. You just said nobody said it was... Wait, can you not pivot away from my point? No, you said it was completely closed. This graph disagrees with you. It is, okay, there are some reasons. Name a single day where there were zero ships that actually passed. Most of those right there. Most, so wait, so you're wrong then, right? What, I never said it was completely closed. You did say it was completely closed. Do you want to remind me? Okay, they say it was completely closed. How many ships? Matt, how many ships are getting through a day? Okay, perfect. So there are ships getting through. Wait, how many?

8:42There are several ships. How many? Well, answered. I think there was different rates going on. No, answer the questions. How many on average? Sometimes 20, 30. There's three to five. Well, it depends on what they're doing. There's three to five. You answered, what they're doing? As far as, right now. As far as, hold on, hold on, hold on. For a second. How many were getting if that? Hold on, hold on. Even if that's true, that still proves my point. No, your point. What semi-permeable means is that there are some ships getting by, but it's not completely permeable because of the disruption, because of Iran's naval mines and missiles. Okay, so how many were? You said completely closed, which means you're wrong and I'm right. Be saying semi-permeable is correct. Now, listen, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me speak. Hold on, let me speak. Hold on, let me speak. So everyone objectively agrees that Iran's main points of negotiation in order to piss the entire world off is to disrupt the market. The straight-up removes is where basically we're about one-fifth, I believe, 20% of the world's energy supply goes through. So of course, they're going to make it disrupted and block it. I respond to the block. And block missiles when the Iran war could have responded to the points.

9:44You've said so many times. That's not a point. Everyone agreed that this would happen. Oh my God. Can I respond to everything you're saying here? Sure. You just said a minute ago that nobody is saying the straight-up formoose is completely closed. I'm saying I'm not saying. Let me finish. Let me finish my point. You said it was completely closed. You said a minute ago on camera, nobody is saying the straight-up formoose is completely closed. Let me finish my point. That's wrong. You just said a minute ago, nobody said the straight-up formoose was completely open. Donald Trump himself said the straight-up formoose is completely open. Let's run through the four points. Do you think we've destroyed all of their missile capacity, as Trump said? 100% of the nuclear capacity. Trump, no, missile capacity. There's a difference. Do you know the difference between missiles and nuclear capacity? Right. You think we've destroyed 100%. Trump says we've destroyed their missiles. Can I respond? Yeah, yeah. Okay, perfect. So what it says right here objectively is destroy their missiles, correct? No, this is a different tweet than I'm referring to. But he is saying we've destroyed their missile capacity. These are the straight-up. Generally speaking, in reference to missile capabilities, there are some reports that are 85 to 90% of the missile capabilities in terms of launchers having destroyed alongside their Shahedro. Now, whether or not 100% is someone trying to be a dancer. Can you agree that the general truth is that their missile capacity has been designated?

10:47Okay, I agree that their missile capacity has been weakened. I'm not being pedantic when I'm pointing to the president's words. Can you just tell me that he's lying here when he says on April 17th, the street of the U.S. is completely open and ready to fly on April 17th? We'll see if this is a passage, but the naval blockade will remain in full force and effect as it pertains to Iran only, meaning the naval blockade, by the way, that was losing Iran about $3.8 billion every single year. Every single day. It's Trump lying here now. Let me finish. Trump lying here now. Let me finish. We're kind of nervously starting around. No, not nervous. I'm reading it. So when it comes to the naval blockade, will remain in full force in a few days? The fact is it pertains to Iran only. Iran was losing about $3.8 billion every single day. Wait, last oil revenue. Can you pop it in? Don't interrupt. Don't interrupt. Read the first line for me. The first line for me. Less about half of Iran's government revenue comes from oil, which means they would have less money to support Hamas, the Hooties and Yemen, and Huzbulak, which means less money to report terrorism as the FD said that they spent $16 billion doing so. Okay, as I pointed out, Trump said that his objective was to be finished. Trump said that he was going to give them, or the Gulf countries were going to give them $300 billion dollars. That was already in dollars. I don't understand it. Donald Trump didn't rescind it.

11:47He lost control of it. There was no loss in the country. Look really, it was a horrible deal, which is why it was a terrible deal. Trump cut a horrible deal. Was it better than the J.C. Well, yes, this is why actually there have been plenty of critiques of J.D. Vance. Who isn't his l'm about? J.D. Vance. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I think J.D. Vance. I think J.D. Vance going there made him look really strong into the bus. You're arguing against a strawman. Wait, I'm not in support of J.D. Vance. He's Trump's vice president. Who did you vote for? I'm a marker. Did you vote for Trump? You're saying that you think that vice presidents and... You voted for J.D. Vance. Wait, hold on, hold on, I'm curious. Do you think vice presidents and presidents are completely synonymous on ideas? You voted for J.D. Vance and you're saying you're not a J.D. Vance. Okay, hold on. Let's say I did. Can we just wait? Even if I did, that still wouldn't be a point you wouldn't have lied. Just because you... Just because you... Bro. Some people may have supported J.D. Vance. It's not me. They can't. They're so far given certain actions. Can we just back up to the four objectives and I want to talk about Trump relying right now? Every single one has been complete. They have not. The new year. It's white material. It's any run. The scientists are still there. The... I mean, the newspaper's really crazy. It's not me and you can build up the eruptions.

12:48I really want to talk about this. Because you walk me down the componer. I hate to build up the film. I really want to talk about this very quickly. Because when I say... Donald Trump says the straight up promotion is completely open. And you say nobody said that. Okay. You are straight up lying. Wait, wait, wait. So before you pull this. So before you pull this. Completely closed, that's false. Just making sure you don't... Dude. There are three ships going through per day. That's not completely close if you want to be pedantic. You want to be pedantic here. How many were going before the war? Okay, so this is also a point that's also done. Can I explain why? Answer any of my questions. Can you answer it? Everyone acknowledged that going into the Ron Wars going to have its consequences or ramifications, especially when it comes to the global energy supply. No one in their right mind. No one in their right mind. That's what we know. That's objectively true. No one in their right mind was making the claim that there would be the same amount of, for example, ships passing before the war as would be when the war commenced. Bro. You make sure you don't. You literally said the straightest... No one said that. Trump said the straightest completely open. Go on, let's get the point. Wait, wait, open. Let me read this. Let me read this to you. You can't read it. You can't read it.

13:48The Hormuz straight is open and will remain open with or without Iran. Right. You know what I'm just made? The straight-of-for-mouse is completely open and ready for business in full passage, but the naval blockade will remain in 100% effect. This process should go on with it. I like how you skip way. No, no. It will remain... Wait, wait, wait. Read would follow. Only until such time is our transaction with Iran is 100% complete. You know how many days it goes right? Okay, right. Can I grab it? Can I grab it? Yeah, this was one question. The point that you made earlier, right, was how many ships were going in before the war as after the war? Yeah, he's lost control. So nowhere here, so nowhere here this Trump say. He says this is open. Wait, wait, wait. No where here this Trump say that there will be the same amount. No one from the... He said it. But from the time he said this, that there will be the same amount of ships. So you're not reading? He says it's open. He said he wanted to let me finish because he knows it's a bunker. So nowhere here, there's... No way here this Trump ever say that, hey, before the Iran war and after the Iran war, it's going to be the same amount of ships passing through the same... That is the straw man that you're making. Wait, wait. Now, obviously if you can read it, grab, which I'm sure you can,

14:48you can see that there are days with our basically notions. Are you really defending this? Do you think he... Wait, hold on, wait. You want me to explain this? He's going to keep interrupting because he's not in control of himself currently at the conversation. What are you talking about, bro? You're getting a role done this. Wait, you literally got through Iran. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You can keep interrupting. It's not going to help you. So there are days obviously, there are more ships going by, and there are days where there are less ships going by. Now, obviously when it comes to negotiations, there may be spikes of ships going by because if you're more comfortable going by, and there are going to be less ships going by. Right, so, but that does not change the objective point that no one that has been a proponent, let's see if he... Let's me finish this point. No one who is a proponent of this war said that there'd be the same amount of ships flowing from this sort of removes after the war commenced. No one believes that that is a straw man argument. Do you agree? No one believes that? Okay, who name a single person from a chump administration that said that there'd be the same amount of ships flowing out of the straight of removes before the war... Donald Trump said we are open for free passage, like 100 years ago. After the war. No, he said he tweeted out one hundred Donald Trump. You can't, no Donald Trump said we are open for free passage. Donald Trump said we are open for free passage. Wait, do you contest that he said we're open for free passage? That's a different claim.

15:48That is the right literary difference between, hey, before this war and after this war commenced, there's going to be the same amount of ships flowing per day. And me saying on a particular day after certain negotiations of that day that this... He said it twice, he said it on the left- to part. Is there a difference between the two statements? Let me respond. Yes, there is a difference between those two things. Thanks, you, I appreciate it. Can I finish? There is a difference between what you just said. But Donald Trump has said on almost a dozen occasions that the straight of four moves is completely open. Now, you keep saying that the straight of four moves will be reopened once. Yeah, it's far from one. One of them is on the negotiating. He finished, bro. You're going to say the straight of four moves will be reopened once we win the war. Donald Trump himself has declared we won the war right here. He said we won it right here. Well, actually, Bob I didn't ever claim that. You never claimed that. You did say that. I didn't you said that I didn't I will at militaristically speaking hold on hold on hold on after the transaction with Iran is 100% right? Let's wait hold on this for a second right? So let's define winning the war can I define yes? Yes, wait hold on for a second so militaristically winning the war is a separate thing from for example This sort of removes not being semi-permeable because enable my haven't one missiles you agree? We haven't one sure yes, okay? Hold on. Have we decimated Iran's nuclear a mill missile capability?

16:53Wait nuclear miss from more from more from more than half. Let's start with missile We haven't decimated enough for them to keep the straight Wait hold on answer my question. No, the straight is no love it more than half they have they have enough to open the straight We hold on so you think winning the wars totally contingent on the straight no, I'm saying they have enough missile Who on your Jubilee round table said on June 7th? Trump is going to come out with a deal soon and it's going to be good Do you agree with that you said that we'll play the club okay? Sure, okay? I finished then Trump came out with a plan and now you're saying is can I respond just anything I say I don't finish anything I say we'll play the clip of you We'll play the clip of you you have I have the word of you saying Trump is going to come out with a deal soon 10 days later he came out with the memorandum of understanding now you're trying to run away from it You're trying to say that Trump never said the straight was completely open and you're pointing to three ships passing a day as Proof that the straight is now semi open. We're losing the war you are losing this argument and we have achieved none of our military Objectives. Let me just lay out my friend before he jump in oh it is the nuclear material is still in Iran and we do not have it The missile capacity still exists so much so that Trump is ducking for his life and a ducking for his life in Turkey

17:58I mean he was the one that got us compound bomb with his disfigure Trump is talking for his life in Turkey the regime is still for his life in Turkey who's ducking for their life in Turkey Trump was at a NATO summit in Turkey. It's talking for your life. Yeah, he had to leave Air Force one and go into a catering card because his life was under threat Have you not read this news? Right? So I did read that. Let me continue Let me take security primers is ducking for your life. Yeah, but you're saying I guess we I guess Wait, you're saying that we've won so decisively that they basically have no missile capacity or no military yet Trump is still ducking for his life. Let me continue regime change regime is still standing measures is ducking for life like I guess we have not won the war if they are threatening the lives of our president with the very Same missiles you claim that they do not have okay then the regime is still standing the regime is actually more full of Hardliners than it was before the final point was Proxies in the region it's so funny to me that I watched your Jubilee and you were so confident Debating Dean and Parker that there was going to be a deal that Trump signed soon now that I have you sitting across from me You're running away kind of like pussy from this deal. Can I respond? You're being kind of a pussy and I'm like, I'm going to be the MOU. You talk about before let's talk about the four point. No, no, let's talk about the MOU very quickly

19:01What's better than the J. It's funny. It's funny how this guy's bringing you said there was going to be a deal You said you were there is the MOU better than the JCP. Okay, perfect. Let's see if he lets me know is the MOU better than the JCP Debates when people are actually so the MOU never actually took a Trump signed it. Okay. Name a single point from the MOU that was reached name a single one how about the straight of a 60 days ceasefire in the straight Boom Yes, that's what this was there are 60 days these days. Yes, that's what this was there was a complete six days these no actually both sides broke it Okay, thank you. So there was not a 60 days ceasefire. Thank you for approving your So wait, so you say Trump signed the deal that broke up. It's funny how you say the deal that broke up It's how they funny how nervous you are saying that Trump signed a deal that broke up Okay, let me finish when it came to a 60 days ceasefire that was that was broken for example It's supposed to be under the MOU. What happened with one of Iran's proxies? Hezbollah and Israel began to fire right so husband a lot started attacking Israel fire Hold on hold on hold on. That's false. That's absolutely true. That's false. Husband attack Israel was in southern Lebanon I checked that right now. Wait was Israel in southern Lebanon. I checked out right now. Yes, ask of Israel

20:04Wait, no, no, no, no, no, you said Israel first right? Israel was in southern Lebanon. Israel fired first, right? You calm down Israel fired first right? Israel fired first. Okay, perfect. It was in southern Lebanon. You said Israel fired first crack was Israel in southern Lebanon. Seas fires not dictated by whether or not someone is in this specific particular type of land. Prameter one inspired no, did you read the memorandum bro? A ceasefire is dictated. The memorandum Fire is dictated by literally seizing fire. Wait, what is that? I don't know. I don't know if you can What is step one of the main ones that husband attack Israel first? No, we can fact check it. What this step one? Yeah, hold on hold on hold on hold on. I'm a spot on the spot. You agreed dude. Israel hold on hold on. Do you want to ask I know you love asking I know you I'm married to rockets. Wait, can I can I ask rock on the spot? Israel was in southern No, no, no, no, you said ask you said fired first Israel fired first. I can I can I'm not gonna run away. I'm not running away Iran made the deal contingent on Husbal up for example step one let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. That was what I've

21:07Dazzling is really in southern Lebanon and has the fire is real no ceasefire not strong when there are any Spire in southern Lebanon. Are you are you dumb or you just being decided? Okay, what is what is ceasefire man? A ceasefire means both sides cease firing withdrawal their troops no No, the memorandum said they had to withdraw their troops The memorandum say they have to withdraw the ceasefire means Memorandum say they had to withdraw troops did the memorandum say that what does it term ceasefire mean? Memorandum said that the memo need pull up the memorandum Full of the memorandum right? Okay, I'm gonna ask is you're not gonna want to the memorandum. Let me finish let me finish Great perfect Hey, Grok during the 60 AC spy are between the US and Israel or the US and Iran under the MOU Iran made it contingent that husband also be added to the ceasefire but after hold on let me finish after the commencing of the Iran US war the commenced on February 28 for example the most recent one who attacked first in terms of strikes No, no, no, you said first you start first

22:08Husbula or a husband or Israel read it read it bro. Can I? No, no, let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it Who struck first? Who struck first Israel or Husbula when the MOU industry? Did you get an answer? I'm not like it. He got an answer and didn't like it. No, it didn't actually It's not speaking out loud. That's this it doesn't say that Israel has to withdraw from southern Lebanon doesn't say that from the Wait, can you not read you know where Israel was? You're not reading or Israel was in Lebanon southern Lebanon. Yeah, but where specifically? Can you not read this right now? The Latani river crack the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America And their allies in the current war by assigning this MOU to player the immediate and permanent front What does it say down here the final real will confirm permanent termination including in Lebanon Including in Lebanon so the memorandum of understanding was growing up right away It doesn't say with draw since permanent termination of ongoing conflict and Israel was still in southern Lebanon. Okay Let's pack up for one second. Let me get a final closing statement before we go to the next topic. All right

23:09Me as well. Yeah, of course. Perfect. Okay, ready We have spent the past 15 20 minutes debating the Iran war and I'm pretty sure you lost on every single topic 100 days ago about 90 days ago in a Jubilee you declared us winning and you said Trump will be coming with a deal soon You said Trump's deal will likely be better than a JC POA because in the moment you were shitting on the JC POA Every time I've asked you you haven't been able to can see that the JC POA was better than Trump's deal earlier in the debate You said nobody signed the deal Trump did sign it and look what we've gotten for it My claim was that Trump does not have any control over the Iran war his memorandum fell apart as you said The straight-of-four moves has dropped by 90% of traffic We are 180 days into this war that was supposed to be four to six weeks The nuclear material is still sitting in Iran and you're gonna sit here and say oh it's under the rubble It is still in Iran. They still have the blueprints. They can rebuild it again just like they did before The regime has not changed the missile capacity still exists so much so that the straight is closed and Trump is in danger They were going to put 300 billion dollars into Iran. Okay, great

24:14So we started this conversation obviously talking about Trump's four points when it comes to the Iran war objectively speaking There are reports that 85 to 90% of their missile capabilities and in reference to the hydrones have been destroyed That is a that is an objective goal that has been achieved in reference to miss out capabilities And the tons for though is Fahan nuclear facilities have indestimated yet again and they're yet again They're yeah, they're capacity We just made the first call he's interrupting my final statement because he's nervous because he's not Comfortable in this debate. Yeah, you're very much nervous. Let me finish my statement 90% of their navy has been completely wiped out. They're not even really launching missiles in order to cause Distruption to civil moves. They are using naval mines. There are reports that up to 40 billion dollars with the last oil revenue Has been inflicted upon Iran because of the naval block aid which was losing that maybe 3.8 billion dollars a day It's all of this means that Iran has less money according to the FDA to spend like 15 billion dollars on the Houthis in Yemen Hamas And Hussbola so so the main four objectives of this war has been I'm also glad that you agree and we're telling all the liberals left this in conservatives that Hameini is dead

25:19And he has no ability any longer. Who do you think I am? No after doing what he was Iran should not have a nuclear weapon at all. Okay, let's get to the next step. Let's go on Let's go. The DSA is taking over the Democratic Party interesting. Okay, so we've had this claim on the show a few times I guess my question to you would be out of the 257 elected Democrats in Congress. Can you name me? How many are DSA right now? Yeah, I think there was about like three people that are I take over to you right so can I respond to that? Let me ask my first question really quickly Prior to 2019 What percent like how many people do you think the DSA had in us like nationwide office if I had to guess based on the 100,000 now It was probably like 20k maybe 100,000 120,000 in reference to their membership How many people do they have in their offices across the country? I believe there was about 250 over 90 percent Their elected officials came in post 2019 a CBS poll Let's remove the Democratic Socialist of America point part of it or did or supporting Democratic Socialists right? Which is the third one in three even if you take that away a new CBS poll came out showing you about 58 percent of Democrats support socialism

26:23If 58 percent of people are leading towards socialism and socialism is is becoming more Popular and also more of a normalized thing in your in your party do you think that is a negative thing or good thing? I think many of the voters that are answering these polls don't understand what socialism is They're not asking to redistribute the means of production They think that socialism means socialized health care Well-3 distribution or less wealth inequality or taxing rich people more you think they're all like reading marks and turning into leftists So I don't think the majority you understand what I'm saying at least yeah, I do I do I do I do I get what you mean You're basically me try to see them on your point you're basically leading to the fact that you don't believe that these people necessarily Understand theory understand Marxism. No, of course not yet there yet. They're sort of more gravitating yeah, they're gravitating towards more change But I would still say that that change is more radical I agree leftist I agree very liberal especially no neoliberal when it comes to like Economics I agree can I get a soul fact but but that is more you trying to call the debt the broader democratic established or broader Democratic electorate ignorant that's basically you're saying they're more ignorant to what no I think most Americans are ignorant to what socialism is but let's go back to the original claim

27:26DSA is taking over the democratic party. Do you know how many sitting Democrats there are in Congress? I believe the number may be 210. I like I said it earlier, but it's 257 at this very moment 277 sitting Democrats there are two I was confusing the house with no you're totally good There are two DSA members in Congress right now How many people if all the DSA candidates when their elections will be in Congress that are DSA? Okay, so I don't see I don't do you know hold on just for a second I know the answer to that just give me a second before you pivot can you ask me I'm not pivoting just let me let me give a two no the answer to my question Doing the same thing like you were before if you're asking a question let someone get respectfully Madame ask you for a number like it like it respectfully I'm asking if I'm not gonna have an exact oh I have the number so let me finish my point I have the number Okay, so I get there generally respond to the point though after I finish my point my point is not that the DSA is Why are you sliding away next? Okay, so he's doing it again. So my point is not that within the next year or two years the Democrats The DSA is going to completely take over so they're taking over actively. Okay. Yes Because it's a slow erosion process. Okay, my point here is not that within the next year in reference to state

28:28In reference to federal elections specifically these are state elected federal. Oh, okay, so you're wearing it down now I'm not over the next year because we're not in federal election. Yeah, because I'm not talking about They're not talking They're playing down. Yeah, because you're not obviously talking. You notice how he's backing up the back panel. I don't know I don't know obviously backpedaling so hard Okay, perfect. So let me see if I can still make my point go my point is not that within the next year in reference to federal elections The DSA will we'll just take over my point is that we're seeing a trend in a reference support for socialism and and a one in three Democrats being in support of Democratic socialism in America and I believe eventually and I believe eventually I'm still getting interrupted But I and I believe eventually The Democratic establishment is going to be a road it can need to the DSA now making I'm making this point clear because you've been trying to Strong man me and saying well less than 10 would still be in Congress. Okay, no elections cycle that's still a decent amount of people And by the way DSA candidates does not is still a separate thing. So let me just look at what you said The USA candidates are still a separate thing for you just look at the camera and you made a point More like you DSA can have some Congress and right now it's AOC and Rashida to leave. Okay. Did you say Elon Omar also leans toward Democrats?

29:33Socialist ideas. She's not DSA. Where does Elon Omar disalign from a should to leave for example? Um, I'm pretty sure that Rashida to leave is a caring card caring member of the DSA in Ilhan, nowhere In terms of ideology and proponents for Democrat policy, where do they disalign? Wait, wait, your prompt is about the DSA. Oh, so they don't wait, which is another point of your prompt is about the DSA So wait, yes, yes, can I can I can I respond really quickly because you just made a lot. Thank you. I appreciate that genuinely Like I'm a response. So you had a very narrow claim. The DSA is taking over the Democratic Party as a general statement Well over the past 10 minutes you've narrowed and widened this out so much What will do please you specify it? Congress please you specify that I did you're saying the DSA is taking over the Democratic Party But you're saying we want to not count the federal governments and then you said you're not even My general claim was broad you specify federal government finish Let me finish you said specifically a little emotional dude Let me finish, bro. You said the DSA is taking over the Democratic Party. Yes, then you're pointing to candidates who are not even DSA Trying to widen it and you're saying oh, aren't they kind of DSA and then you said you don't even want to talk about you

30:36Said basically the federal government isn't what you were meant to talk about. No, then you said you're not even thinking over the next year You're talking into long time frame. So it sounds to me right like you're trying to blow something out of proportion when let's go through the 2028 candidates if the DSA we're taking over the Democratic Party We would probably have some DSA candidates in 2028 is Gavin Newsom DSA You're talking about establishment dense is common here. No, I'm an argument. Our establishment Democrats DSA. No That's a dumb art. They're all the front runners in 2028. They're all the front runners. So and none of them and none of them Okay, so this is what you're claiming you're claiming the DSA is taking over the Democratic You're claiming the DSA is taking over the Democratic Party. However, we're not really electing DSA candidates just seven and also our candidates There's a different thing the local state and federal you only specified federal But let me let me see if I can make a general point here without interruptions plays and so you have Tweeted constantly and I can pull up your tweets and being in support of a mom Donnie talking about how his mandate is magical Who has been the number like the the largest product of the DSA the number one guy?

31:36Or thorough? Is on mom Donnie are you support are you in support of a Yeah, I like him. Oh, you don't disagree with a lot of us. Well, let's talk about policies. No, wait no no what party what part of what part of an deal agree with? I think I have to talk about his biggest product if we have a candidate to look at let's talk about mom Donnie Wait, no, no, we're not talking about policy Democrats do all the time especially What's your claim where they were Well, you were a Trump during the spine. No, what's your claim? You did what's your claim? My claim is that the DSA is taking over and you're losing that so you're trying to talk about More on us. He's talking over them. I'm right party. Yes, Zoran has more endorsement power than Harris So wait you think that you think that he is taking Harris is more popular than Zoran I'm done in Democrat party you is more popular. I mean probably Zoran right now. Oh, so why did you bring up Harris? Wait no not so so a DSA Product is more is more popular than establishing Democrats for you know, run the nomination. You're running the nominations That's you proving my point no no they were the DSA was able to produce somebody a mayor that has more endorsement power Yeah, then your last presidential nominee can I explain that is in bearer explain why go ahead right now Democrats are looking for change agents as I said

32:41They are right now they're looking for change and Kamala Harris is seems the establishment. No, of course not wait Why did then why does it run on the 2020 election who said that who won the 2020 election? Uh Why did it okay good you disagree with Trump? Yeah, sure, sure, sure, he's an extremist in the You disagree you disagree you disagree a balance as a social counsel like my money purported right? I just thought I disagree with okay I agree with you you would disagree with mom Donnie taking a picture with the mom Wajoo the 1993 role Sure, yeah, of course co-conspirator who served who serve you're gonna keep the time going wait hold on So you're going away. Don't run away. I'm not running away. I just bit the bullet. I just bit the bullet inside But I want to I want to make sure his claim was that the DSA is taking over the Democratic Party We went through the federal government and he can see that they're not we went through the 2028 candidates I never considered that I never considered and then he tried to talk about my tweets about Zora and mom Donnie because he's so scared to talking about the actual talk about They are now tries that I want to talk about random photos from 1993 Let's see if I can get this point out really quickly so just to make sure we know this yeah

33:41You ended up specifying the federal government. I never specified the federal state or local government I said that generally speaking Democratic Party Perfect, let me say yeah the Democratic Party wouldn't you talk to me? I said in the local when she looked at the election officials Stay in the name the DSA how many DSA are local? Let me say our local so he's gonna keep interrupting Let me finish my point because you're not engaged. I asked me different questions after I'm already trying to respond I'm engaged So I I never specified the federal government right my general point was that the Democratic electorate is leaning more towards the DSA and Socialism Generally speaking to I CBS poll came out said that 58% are in support of socialism Which is why over 90% of the 250 elected members throughout the throughout the probably 40 states it is Over 90% of them were elected post 2019 because it's becoming more popular trying to compare Bernie Sanders in 2016 to what is going on with the DSA now was disingenuous now I agree with you they have very little power when it comes to the federal government in Congress right now But it doesn't change the fact that even on the local level

34:42Uh One of their like the largest product basically is Roman Donanian is currently the mayor of the largest city in the country And you just conceded that he himself as a DSA candidate on the local level has more endorsement power than Harris Who ran for the federal office of presidency and was nominated by the DNC to run against Trump in 2024 That itself is a concession from you But how the hell is a DSA candidate? How is he more powerful than Harris? Can you explain that? Well right now is O'Ran Mamdani has a very good understanding of how to use social media you agree with that right Yeah, he's uniquely good at using social media to push a message and to push a narrative Can I just get this out? Can I just get this out please When we look at Zoran Mamdani's popularity right now I genuinely do not think it's because my 22 year old democratic friends who play GTA who like Zoran Are currently sitting there reading marks and getting indoctrinated into democratic socialism They see these cool memes of Zoran fixing potholes and they see his policies and they think that is it He's picked potholes guys and there's cool memes of him. That's why I'm support Mamdani

35:45No, that's not what I'm saying dude you're misreabending this. I'm saying I'm talking about I'm a little friend who play GTA I'm talking about whether or not he's a good candidate with good policies down No dude you ask me why he's popular not his policies you No, I'm talking about you ask me a different question So you're saying that he's popular because of memes and the fact that he can interact with social media Or no, no, I think I can see something I agree that Zoran Mamdani has been using social media wonderfully Isn't that part of the popularity you think all of that? I think that it's true. I think that contributes to his popular But I also think that contributes or the fact that he's a socialist like what do you think actually breaks through to the average voter The fact that he's a socialist or the fact that he's using social media He's talking about social media. He's not just using social media and making random videos He's using social media and making videos and reference to policies in which people think will be Well better they're likely better they're living in just like Obviously hot toss wait you think you think they're doing it because of cute like how Zoran How cute Zoran Mamdani is rather than what he's actually purporting your uttering during those Well, okay, what video he's an example is it about the messaging? What about the uh

36:48He's an example. What about what? Pate's your text. Oh, wait, what do you think that's bad? What about that? No, I'm saying do you think that people are in support of him because he just made a random video Or do you think it was because of the policies that were Message well, it's actually complicated. So I think that the videos. Well, no the genuine. I'm giving a real answer I think that the videos are oftentimes a vehicle to bring attention to an narrative because right now we live in an attention economy So when I'm talking about Zoran Mamdani's popularity, I do not think the average voter is sitting there thinking I want to redistribute the means of production and I want to abolish the working class I think that the average democratic voter is looking at socialism is I think the I'm the working class is socialist. Sorry abolishing the ruling class. I meant to say I misspoke just like you did abolishing the ruling class and redistributing that's communism Well under socialism you'd also basically have a class of society. No social is because everyone because everyone's Socialism is the redistribution of the means of production. No, that's wrong Can I ask you a genuine question really quickly? How many Democrats in Congress have tried to pass a policy that where the workers Own the means of production. Oh, yeah, zero. I'm not making the claim that they have taken over the party

37:52DSA is taking over the party or our Democrats not even trying to So how are we going to keep people? Okay, really quickly you agreed So they're not taking over the party. Okay, so that's not the claim also so my claim was not The DSA is taking my claim. Oh, so you're widening it more now listen When you have a general let me try to make it easier for you and for comprehension You have a claim like the DSA is taking over the emperor party First you need to actually establish what what we mean by taking over so you should ask me like Matt nuclear Do you think what is taking over one tenth? Uh, uh, two-fifth and everybody two-thirds. What do you mean? I don't I'm not actually Seven out of two fifty seven. I'm not I'm not actually making the claim that I can numerically like dumb it down to a specific number But I'm when I'm alluding to generally is the democratic electorate support local state and federal elections and everything Showing that there has not been a g-creasing in support for social and there hasn't an increase in support for socialism And you have responded to that by saying that you believe that people are currently dissatisfied with the establishment of Democrats You disagree? Yeah, I agree And so let's talk about their main product who you believe has more endorsement power than Harris right now

38:54Zoramon Donney, well we talked about why? No, no, really quickly that's I think I think he's popular because of his policies. No, that is very very far from your play in the video The DSA is talking about their product. The talk about their main guy. You're in support of him Wait, no, no right now we're talking about the DSA taking over the democratic party You can't just run away when you start losing the top. No, let's also talk about the policy That's not what your claim says Not what your claim says, but you brought up Trump in the 2020 election No, because I'm trying to not be claimed. No, no, I'm trying to see if you'd hold your party to the same standard So right now I disagree with the DSA I think the DSA You disagree with the DSA but not the largest candidate for the effort. No, I just I said I disagree with Zoramon and a lot of things Is it a not say that no, but you said generally your support of them. We can play back No, I think he's very popular and I'm supportive of him as a politician. I don't agree with everything he says Are you supporting him being in the mayoral office? Yeah, of course 66% of the budget deficit came from where? I have no clue Albany, which is the state capital correct. Yes. Okay, so when you receive a bail out Is that balancing the budget? Dude wait, that's not how they balance the budget did Zoramon Donny delay

39:54pension payments the retiree health trust was put on a more regular schedule No, he delayed the pay-to on irregularly extended it to 20-27 No, they made they made irregular payments which oftentimes ended up costing the taxpayer dollars more and he put it on a yearly schedule I promise you look at the lady pension funds Okay, let me ask did he put it on a yearly schedule? Let me ask you a yearly schedule. You're wrong about the child here You're wrong about balancing the budget. Did he ask him if they put it on a yearly whole ask him if he put that in a yearly schedule if he delayed it Okay, ask ask it fairly did Zoramon Mom Donny delay or pension put it on a more predictable budget or more predictable timeline We're the retiree health trust Reserve New York City Mayor Zoramon Donny's administration's laid a schedule 3.7 billion payment into the retiree health benefits trust reserve Do you agree that he delayed payment payment wait it was pushback from June to December yeah, that's delaying it city Cossero is pushing back the lane they put it on a better schedule wait wait They put it on a year they put it on a yearly schedule

40:56The purpose of delaying it was so that they would have to pay less and balance the budget and that's going to cost New York City taxpayers It's not $70 it's not go no it's not going to lay payments wait Can you repeat your claim? Can you repeat your claim? It's also again now you're trying to run away the payment also a Cumelly interest I'm running away to your claim and no the point to put it on a more repeatable schedule You're just wrong the point was the point was to balance the budget by the lane funds. That's the point You just said a few things you said that Zoramon Donny hasn't achieved anything. He's claiming or like most things that he's claiming you walk No, you said you said on every day we can bring it up again What you said because I it was high-perly of course. Oh, yeah, of course it was okay Let's move on to the other things is it true that no no I want to talk about your highest upper vent. I want to talk about your actual topic at hand I'm done. I'm not a time because you're trying to fill it up. Lost it on every campaign promise Wait, why are we talking about why are you trying to pin me down on specific shit when you name three Name three policies that he's been able to actually affect you okay? How about the free pre-took? Okay? That you just conceded was good. You think it's good right having

41:56No, too Balancing the budget. No, he didn't run on balancing the budget. He absolutely did run the budget already just wait It was absolutely balanced under him 100 something and how about the rent how about the specific rent freeze? How about the rent freeze? What is attribution? That's right. That's three. What is You can't ask me a different question when I answer your first. That's not something different This is a relation to the job. You ask me to three is he did the rent freeze that he produs He did free free 2k. What is balanced the budget? Did he do the freeze rent thing even if I disagree with it? Did he do that? So he yeah, so okay, did he do free pre-took? Okay, so no, he didn't do free pre-took Okay, when reference to he absolutely did wait you're lying look it up right now look it up Did he do pre-took? One thing at a time right so RGB rent guidelines board. Yes. He has Oh my god. Okay. That's it. I'm donny. Oh, he's quitting Okay. Yeah, we're out of time. Okay. Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in his littleest 33 months And no bachelor's degree is required to apply if you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward learn online train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice

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