MICHIGAN MIRACLE? Or did Western Michigan get ROBBED?

0:00Welcome. And I'm learning to be a murder of the interaction about whatever the hell just happened in an arbor. Ari is my, is my micro. Your mic is right. A Western Michigan was about to win without even scoring a touchdown. Bryce under would appear to throw a Hail Mary out of the end zone as time expired. The clock hit zero. Western Michigan players begin to celebrate. And then shades of the 2009 big 12 championship game between Nebraska and Texas. The officials are like, no, we're going to put one more second on the clock. There was no time left. You know what happened next. Oh, it was zero. It was zero. You know what happened next. Well, I don't know what was yardage was. My head's still spinning 50 something yards to be you can and as time expired. Yes, we ran beautifully ran.

1:02Play. I'm like, my mind is spinning. Talk, aren't you? Talk, job is to talk. Yeah, sorry. Our editors texting us about the headline to the live video to fix it. It is what it is. We fixed it. We fixed that. OK. The story is, did they should they have been able to run the play? That's the story of what happened here tonight. So obviously, you know, we'll get into the back half part of how did Bryce Underwood play and what's up with Michigan that was unlike high a wooden ham, all that stuff that we would have talked about. But the question I have to you is, why would they be able to run that play? Listen, the forensic scientists are going to spend a lot of time with this tape because there's a face mask. The officials missed on a drive earlier in the game that would have allowed them to take more time off the clock. They're very blatant face mask. Michigan was holding on the first two downs of the drive that ended up in the Hail Mary and they didn't call that. I mean, it felt like everything, every call went Michigan's way there down, down the stretch.

2:06Yeah. I still get this is the type of play Andy that we will be 47 yards, by the way, 47 yards. This is the type of play. This is the type of situation that will last college football history. Like what we just saw there wasn't just a amazing Hail Mary. Those happen once a year, once a few years. It wasn't just an avoidance of a crazy upset. That was something that I think is going to transcend time and is going to be like on college football montages for years and years and years. Do you agree with that? Yes. I absolutely agree with it. And are they going to call this the Ann Arbor screwdriver job though? Or is this going to be the Michigan miracle? Yeah. I mean, have you ever seen anything like that in your career? Yes. I covered the 2009 Big 12 championship game. So I have seen that exact scenario without the Hail Mary as a field goal. But yes, I've seen it. Yeah. I've covered basketball tournaments where, you know, Evan Stewart hit a three quarter shot

3:09as time expired. I've seen Hail Mary's. I've seen all sorts of things. I've never seen time added on like that. And then of course, did you have a pit near stomach before they ran the play that you had a feeling that was going to happen? Yes. Of course. The second they said they put the second they said they were putting a second back on the clock. I was like, Oh, they're Michigan's going to win this thing. Yeah. It's funny because like our our initial headline video is like what's certain Michigan stun Michigan. And it's like update. Is what they said were the problem. And yes, even though he threw that Hail Mary, he's still the problem. Probably because they got to play Oklahoma next week and see the problem. Probably. Yeah. I mean, give 95 yard like dude Lance. Yeah, 95 yards. He called for holding. He fumbled in a critical situation and probably should have crossed his team. The game. Yeah. Dude, dude, he had 95 yards passing. I'm Michigan fan. I will take this.

4:11I will run with it. I will never say anything about it. I will be like, thank you. Well, we'll just take this. Well, this was going to be the next. Not a lot of state Andy. That's what this was going to be. This was Apple Action state. Now I know. Well, it in the. Yes. But yeah, it being an in state rival, I think makes it worse. You know, I think that it was a Mac team that shares a state with them. Makes it worse. You know, and it's been what since 2007. So we're almost at the 20 year anniversary when that happened. It was also the opener, all those different things. You know, I think that, you know, as the days go on and we start to really break down, you know, the Michigan team and the team that a lot of people had in the college football playoff. I think this might be a team that struggles to win eight games. You know, if that's who they are, but man, my head is still spinning, man. That's, I mean, that's the thing that's so crazy. You know, they talk about baseball and every time you watch a baseball game, you see something that you've never seen before. But it's like college football is just like that, dude. Like, why do they put a second back on? Like, what's the explanation? They showed the replay. Is it possible? They're so different.

5:12Defender was out of bounds and he touched the ball with a second left. And as soon as he touches the ball, clock is supposed to stop because he was out of bounds. Okay. But, but the clocks that they were showing on the television broadcast didn't show that sure looked like zero's me. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. That's the most shocking thing that we've ever gone live for. Ever. Yes. Yes. Yes, because we weren't doing this for second and 26. No. We weren't doing this for the kick six. Nope. I mean, I'm trying to think of games that ended in more shocking fashion than this. And there are very few of them. Yeah. Lance Hedder was on a show a few months ago, man. He's a really good dude. I feel bad for him. I do too. They got absolutely destroyed.

6:15Yeah, destroyed. Yeah, I mean, that is because I mean, look, if they just call that face mask, it's a first down and Western Michigan probably runs another two minutes off the clock. Now, maybe, maybe things happen differently. Maybe rice underwear doesn't fumble in that case. So I don't, there's a butterfly effect there. But yeah, the one second thing, like, this is one of those, I'm sure the pool reporter is going to go talk to the official, talk to the referee and get an explanation for it. But there, I can tell you this right now, there's nobody on earth who isn't a Michigan fan. Who's going to say anything other than Western Michigan got robbed that they were just screwed here. Yeah. I'm looking at the chat that chat is just the word rigged over and over and over. We just, we just actually cut the bullshit and just do the show without being afraid of offending people's feelings. Michigan has been accused of in their last national championship run of cheating.

7:18They have not been very good to elite in the time since they didn't cheat here. If this happened, it was wrong. It's because of the confidence. I of course, again, that's not what I was going to. You got to let me fit it. You can't say that I think that I'm going to say that. But all right, go ahead. Everybody on earth still holds that viewpoint of them from Conor Stallions and all that stuff. And there's probably a underlying resentment, whether, you know, they did what they did or whether it helped them win games. We'll never know the answer to that. But there is an unsettled score, I think, in a lot of people's minds of what Michigan accomplished a few years ago. And they have not been very good to the time since and they're not beating the charges. So for what happened back then, like of all the teams that would do it, like do you think that if this happened and it was Minnesota, that one on the same exact way the entire chat would be like yelling cheating in the thing. Like, I think it was against a Max School probably yes. I mean, because people people want the underdog to win. Yeah.

8:19Yeah. Maybe you think I'm full of shit on that. But I just it's. But, but no, it's cool. Look, people, people do like people who are not Michigan fans do tend to hate Michigan more. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, they didn't just ruin the integrity of college football mistakes happen. Like, you know, it's just it's unbelievable that that happened. You know, especially considering the fact that Western Michigan charged the field Andy, they were celebrating. You saw the pure joy on Lance Taylor's face. You saw the players and it's probably pretty hard to recalibrate back into one more play mode. Like even if they if it was it's a I mean, it's a Hail Mary. You got to stop a Hail Mary. Yeah. Yeah. Man. But oh my God. This is just it's crazy. It almost seems like it's difficult to have like a real like analysis conversation about what this means for Michigan after this. It's so crazy that like you can't even like is there like room for a five minute brace underwood?

9:20And I L breakdown right now. Not in I L breakdown, but we can we can certainly break down Bryce Underwood. And how he played in this game and how bad that's going to look if he plays like this against Oklahoma. Like, yeah, Oklahoma is going to destroy Michigan if he plays like that. He will have to be he'll have to be the guy we saw on the throw down the middle and the last drive and the Hail Mary. Because if he's not. If he is like he was the rest of the game, they're going to get annihilated. Yeah. It almost felt like a regression and the interesting thing about it Andy as we talk all summer and you know we're breaking down. Oh, yeah, yeah. By the way, everything I said about better coaching all the crap that was going on behind the scenes. Forget I said that. Maybe they need more crap going on. I don't know because they're awful. Well, you know, I think that there is. I hate to pile on anybody, but there is a. Recalibration, I think of how to allocate funds at this position.

10:23I don't know if you're ready for this conversation or not, but to give them all. No, if you think Tommy cars the better if you think Tommy cars the better quarterback you play Tommy car. Don't talk about giving a high school or no, no, high school or a 10 million dollar deal. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think that the people who well, let's put it this way LSU seems to be enjoying. They're veteran quarterback that they bought. Who we've already seen win big games who's led a team to a power conference championship. Like if you flip over to the LSU Clemson game, they're pretty happy with Sam Levin right now. Just there happy with that investment. Did that game just simultaneously take value away from every five star quarterback in America that's all in high school? Like do people just don't want to do this anymore? You know, there's still going to be good five star quarterbacks, but yeah. Michigan will have to figure this out like either he's going to have to get better or they're going to have to go with somebody else because they're like Kyle Wittingham's jobs to make the playoff.

11:24It's to it's to win national championships and what you saw today will not get them there. Yeah. That's I honestly don't even know what else there's a say about it. He was a terrible game. Terrible game. They were about to lose to a Mac team that didn't score touchdown and probably they probably did lose to a Mac team that didn't score touchdown, but the ref spailed them out. Yeah. It's so funny because we did play that game earlier in the offseason Andy when we were if we could go back in time and change history or overturnable shit call. Like wouldn't this be like one a on that list because I was kind of a hard game to play when we were trying to come up with things and I think it was June or July. You know games that you know should have ended differently had it not been for a bad ref call or a terrible situation or something fluky. Like in terms of of this like if when a game is over it's over you know not to mention like oh it's a PI or a first down or

12:24a missed holding call or something when the game is still going on but when the game ends and then you add a second back on like it literally cannot get worse than that. Yeah, this is this is going to be. I don't know okay question because LSU has been the villain of the sport for the entire summer. Yeah, Michigan suddenly become the villain again. And look I know Michigan fans have no problem being a villain like it's cool but yeah. Like going into the Oklahoma Michigan game next week is the entire country. Rooting against Michigan. Yeah, well I think in order for them to be the villain and sustain the villain they have to be good. I think people lose interest if you're not a very good team and I think I'm talking about I'm talking about noon on Saturday of next week. I'm not worried about the rest of the yeah I mean I would think so but I think that that might be the case anyway even if this was just a normal game. I actually think that Brent and thenables in Oklahoma are actually quite likable nationally for whatever reason Michigan has. I the thing I said five minutes ago I think that ever since they won the national championship there's been a segment of people who ate watch them in a way that they.

13:30I think people like Kyle Wittingham like I don't I don't think he's a very like any of that yeah. I don't think he inherited any of that you know bad juju. Yeah, people liked him at Utah. So I do think this though and it's not Kyle Wittingham's fault either. All he did was send his team out there to run a play when they gave him an extra second like nobody on Michigan has it you know bears any responsibility for this. You know what I feel about it any I feel more heartbroken for Lance Taylor than I do like I or towards Michigan. Yeah that's where I'm at with it like I don't think that like Michigan's a bad program now because they won the game the way you know I just their job is just go run the play when they get the extra second. Yeah yeah but everybody. I mean if you go look at my Twitter feed right now I haven't deleted anything but like I said Western Michigan one I have not deleted that yet like you know they won the game.

14:32Well I I've deleted my tweet because I had already written the headline for this thing and I hit the button on the stream yeah which sends it out. As soon as the the clock hit zero. And then what five seconds after that the final play is under review I'm like oh no oh oh oh oh oh boy yeah what are we gonna do here so yeah wait speaking of freezing cool takes has already been sent that that screenshot about five billion times so we are we are gonna be featured prominently. That's not a freezing cold take actually I think like in if you're gonna make an error journalism earn error in your headline or your title like that probably is the most understandable circumstance where it could occur because like it was over you know I don't know how of course I would I were a Michigan fan I'd be on the field what are you talking about no shirt on what do you why wouldn't they sell where they were they all are and I don't blame them one bit because think about how bad their night was.

15:35They were about to lose to a Mac team that had not scored a touchdown and now they can go to the bars and celebrate I mean. What turn what a flip so for the Michigan fans like by all means party down this is going to be the best night of your life because it was about to be the worst yeah. But also for the Michigan players you may want to start watching Oklahoma film now like yesterday yeah you're gonna make all the help you get Andy maybe maybe that was the explanation for why they were bad tonight they spent all this past week watching Oklahoma film yeah I'm trying to I'm trying to grasp it straws here because like it's just Andy do you do you think that we need to have a real conversation about Tommy Carpenter we got we got Eric in the chat who's in the chat. Michigan fan he's firing Kyle itting him already. He's firing him probably one they won he's one and oh.

16:38First coach in in college football history to be one and oh and on the hot seat. Yeah I don't think I've ever seen that before yeah. Western grad Ray in the chat Western grad Michigan fan Western got robbed and there needs to be an investigation and an explanation I will settle for an explanation yeah I don't know about it maybe there is a reason maybe there's a reasonable one but listen I remember having to interview Bo Polini ever have any interview Bo Polini after that 2009 big 12 championship game there was no explanation you could have given him that was going to work Andy you know a lot about the ref stuff behind the scenes your years of SI you know do you know you're gonna do it. You I remember when we were at the Clemson Ohio State. Yes the bowl you were the guy talking to the pool the the ref that they made available to explain targeting and stuff do you know if the how in sync the ref clocks are that they use and then the ones that we see on the broadcast are. That I don't know and I'm also not sure if the broadcast has access to the actual gameplay system yeah the same what the replay system has and I think that's also something that that we.

17:47Should try to find out you know the ACC has the deal now where they take you behind the scenes and you get the audio from the command center and you hear the conversation back I would have loved to have heard that conversation that would have been very helpful in this instance because maybe the explanation is that. What you had on the broadcast was a half second faster than what the actual game time was or a second faster but in a thing if this is a basketball game you would have had 10th to the second also yes. Which I think would have maybe been helpful yeah. But and then also what's the rule when the ball goes over out of bounds or when it lands well I think in this case I I don't have the play in front of me but I believe there was a western Michigan defender whose feet were out of bounds who touched the ball maybe in bounds. But when someone who's out of bounds touches a ball in bounds it's incomplete. Okay I just don't remember anybody I have to watch the play again but my understanding was that once it crossed the line in the air I don't know if it crossed before somebody touched it if somebody who's standing out of bounds touched it it's I just don't remember anybody I just don't remember anybody touching it at all I have to go back.

19:04I don't know I don't know if anybody touched it before it crossed the back line and the end so that's the that's the hard part. But we're going to see that play over and over and over again and we're going to see the 47 year touchdown pass over and over and over again too. Yeah and sorry if this live appearance was kind of discombobulated because it's really hard to organize your thoughts on something that shocking happens we can remind us of just as shocked as you yeah I think it's the best way to put it. We will probably have like what an hour you know LSU is beating Clemson 31 to three which will probably be our show tonight I don't know maybe we'll leave it with this again because this was so insane. But we'll have more organized thoughts I'm just my head is still spinning I've never seen anything like that before my entire life. Yeah we need to talk about this we need to talk about LSU Clemson grand scheme. There's a lot there's a lot to talk about but this this was one of the most shocking and things I have ever seen to a game I'm like I am trying so I was at the Boise State Oklahoma game with the Statue of Liberty.

20:11But that wasn't controversial at all. I was at second and 26 also not controversial but incredibly shocking. I'm trying to think of anything else I was not at the kick six live. I was at the big 12 championship game but that was it like it was a chip shot field goal once they once they got the second yeah so it wasn't like this it wasn't a Hail Mary. Yeah yeah this is going to be I think you can make the case right now although there's things that happen similarly that this is one of the top five or schools in the history of the game. Well I think we're going to find out because yeah one this is going to get dissected and two they're going to have to explain themselves. Yeah but the explanation is the clocks that you see on the broadcast are one 10 or like one.

21:13That needs to be if that's the case that needs to be fixed tomorrow because we live in the year of our Lord 2026 we can sync clocks. Yeah. Also, command center. Yeah I mean the ACC that I mean honestly that'd be that's a real thing. What the ACC does needs to just be done. I think transparency in all regards and college footballs and net positive. It's a transparency in the college football playoff deliberation room. The review rooms, the ref intercoms anything that like you know they make things seem shady when they're not and I think that being. This is an interesting one Spartan Bob. Okay I that's a that's a really good one. This is 2001. That game is a is a fascinating one. That is 2001 Michigan and Michigan State. I think that's the one that made them change who actually runs the clock. Okay.

22:15So Michigan State spike the ball. I just Jeff Smoker. Yeah it was Jeff Smoker. Jeff Smoker. It's the ball. What appears to be zero seconds on the stadium clock. They said the clock was stop of one second remaining and they called they called the person who was pressing the button they called that person Spartan Bob. That was that was the what the Michigan fans called that person. So it is. And then there was another second and then Michigan State wins the game. So you know if you're Michigan fan maybe you were saying finally retribution for Spartan Bob. Maybe that's what you're saying. Yeah. What do you know what's so funny Lane Kiffin during his half time interview. We don't know this yet. And let's let's wait.

23:17Then we can watch it and we can talk about it. 11 30 well not 11 30 because it's almost 11 30 PM Eastern time now when LSU Clemson ends or well I don't know if it's going to be when it ends it might be sometimes during the fourth quarter when we're just bored of watching LSU crush them. We're going live again and we're talking about everything that happened today including LSU Clemson and whatever the hell Lane Kiffin said in his half time interview. But we're probably going to talk a lot more about Western Michigan and Michigan and one of the most shocking endings in college football history. We will talk to you very soon.