Mega Edition: Larry Visoski And His Testimony During The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (4/3/26)

0:00and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So we slide into day two of the Galen Maxwell trial and we had two witnesses on the stand today. They continued with the questioning of pilot Larry Vesosky, who had some pretty interesting things to add to the conversation and they also had on a Jane Doe. Now the Jane Doe is the young lady who was allegedly groomed and abused from the interlocking school in Michigan. It is a art school, a, you know, a Ritzie kind of music school and that's where her abuse began and where Jeffrey Epstein and Galen Maxwell allegedly met her for the first time. And obviously we don't have a pipeline into the courtroom as far as audio. So all we were relying on is transcripts

1:04but it seems to me that it was a pretty brutal line of questioning for Jane Doe and like I said earlier, a million times, that's to be expected. This is the sort of defense that they're going to pursue. They're going to look to destroy the credibility of the witnesses. They're going to look to do whatever they can to impune their character. And that is the age old tactic that has been used in cases like this forever. The real question becomes, is it going to work? Now recently we have seen that it did not work in the Harvey Weinstein case. It didn't work in the Keith Ray Neary and Nexium case and it certainly didn't work in the Bill Cosby case either. Now obviously Bill Cosby got off on a technicality but my point is the argument within the courtroom

2:07when you're setting these victims up, these survivors up as being at fault or like they did something wrong. Let's keep everything into context, okay? This was a little girl at school. An Epstein in Maxwell, according to her allegations, thought it would be a good idea to try and pick her up and groom her and then start traveling with her all over the country and abusing her at the same time. Now I have done an episode previously on the situation in Michigan. There's an article in the daily mail dealing with it. I'm gonna post that episode later on and you folks can dive into that if you'd like but it was a pretty rough read. Listening to her or I guess I should say reading back her account of what occurred and how the whole entire process evolved.

3:11Now she was coming off of like usual with Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies. She was in a situation where her dad had just died. Her mom was certainly not swimming in the dough and they had some financial issues. So you have this benefactor that comes riding in on his white horse with his little associate and her nice little Oxford accent and they offer you the world. Now me, I'm cynical as hell. I learned a long time ago from my dad that I don't have any rich uncles. I don't have any benefactors that are riding in to save the day for me. So I would be apprehensive for sure. But when you're, you know, and somebody else issues, I don't know what the deal is in a school like that. Maybe it's something that happens all the time. I want the public school, I have no idea. But for me personally, if it was my child,

4:11you know, I would be very cautious of these people just materializing from nowhere. But again, when you look at the whole entire situation, there's no reason for this family to suspect that these people are going to do these heinous acts. They're on this campus, which is supposed to be a safe place. Are we not gonna talk about how the schools should have a little bit of responsibility for what happened here? And I guess that really gets down to the core of my issue with all of this, folks. And for those of you who have been listening to me forever, you know all of this already. But there has been obviously an influx of new listeners in the last few days due to the nature of the case. But it's always been one of my biggest issues with this whole entire thing. And it's just, it's aggravating, right? It is just aggravating. But her on the stand today put a whole different spin

5:13on everything, put a whole different feel to it, right? We've heard in the interview, in the Daily Mail, when she, you know, talking about the experiences at the school, what it was like for. But it's a whole different ball game when you're in the courtroom, you're testifying and you're looking at your alleged abuser in the eye, right? So it's nice to see, at the very least, on the ground level, a little bit of justice is hopefully going to be served up here. But when you go into it and you dig deeper, it's situations like how the school is going to get off without any accountability that are wild to me. And back to the point I was making earlier, it's something that I've drilled home for quite some time on this podcast, because all of the enablers, the people around Epstein,

6:15all of these people that were helping him rebuild his image, helping him harbor his secrets, all of these people are culpable. Now there's different levels of culpability, right? Not everybody was involved in the actual abuse part of what was going on here. But there are a bunch of players on the stage, some of them that were named today at the trial, that are accused, incredibly accused, I might add, of actually taking part in the abuse. You have people like George Mitchell, you have all kinds of big profile people, Glenn Dubin, Bill Richardson, and these are the people who were facilitating all of this and at the same time, according to the credible allegations, partaking in the abuse themselves. So when you look at it, there's layers, right? It's almost like a lasagna of shit

7:17with all the different layers of garbage that you have to get through to get to the nexus of the problem. And that's how Epstein kept himself insulated. It was just like any other criminal organization, like any other criminal enterprise. And that's why you see people who have been following this case for a long time and, frankly, a lot of the survivors get so agitated that none of the other core participants have been indicted. Because this couldn't happen, right, without all of these other participants. And that goes for the school in Michigan, interloken. They have to have some responsibility for what occurs on their campus, considering Jeffrey Epstein had a little chalet, a little cabin on the campus. I mean, really? It's just like him over at Harvard. Dude literally had the keys to the Kingdom at Harvard. And sure, we get a lot of these crocodile tear apologies

8:18and we get these internal investigations and all of that jazz. But in reality, there's no penalties for these people. They just shrug their shoulders and keep it moving. And if any of these people who were associating with Jeffrey Epstein after his first arrest, even attempt to act like they had no idea what he was, well, that's somebody that I am pretty confident in calling a liar. Pretty sure everybody had Google back then, right? Jump on the internet and check out Jeffrey Epstein what he was up to. It was all over the news. But yet you'll have these people who think you're stupid enough to believe that they had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was. And that's the running line, right? Oh, we had no idea. We had no clue. That's not odd. That a man with no children. No children, even in his vicinity, has all of these young looking girls around.

9:22But you know, when you're a fellow traveler and all, it's probably not out of the normal. It's probably just the way things are. So today, like I said, the two witnesses on the stand were Larry Vesosky and Jane Doe. So first, we're going to talk a little bit about Larry Vesosky and what he had to say on the, on the stand today. First, he was talking about the flights to Interlokin and he was talking about some of the people that were on some of these flights. Interlokin was Epstein and Maxwell, obviously. But on some of these other flights, he was talking about people like Bill Clinton was mentioned. Let's see, Donald Trump was mentioned. Who else do we got here?

10:22Prince Andrew. It's Zach Perlman. It's crazy. It is crazy to think that all of these people, all of these people were on these planes and everybody knew about it, right? But the legacy media, they couldn't be bothered to let all of you know about it. They were always talking about some big conspiracy theory around Epstein. Yeah, right. This has always been a criminal conspiracy. This was never a conspiracy theory. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some wild propositions when we talk about Epstein and this case, right? A bunch of weird theories. And I'm agnostic on all of it. I don't know what occurred for sure. All I can go on is what we have the evidence to go on, right? One thing is certain, and I bring up these people on the plane to point out what I was talking about earlier. This is not a left or a right issue, folks.

11:22This is about the super elite, the 1% of the 1% basically, who look at us like we're chattel. They look at us, our children, like we mean nothing. Human trafficking operations, endless war, dividing the populace, and it just goes on and on and on again. All of these people, all of these politicians, none of them care about us. Let me ask you a question. How many of these congressmen or congressmen or congresswomen have been out there yelling and screaming from every mountain top about investigations into Epstein and the handling of the Epstein case on a federal level? I'll wait. Very few of them, folks, and the ones that have been, well, guess what? They sure can get all of these other conferences up on the hill, right? They whipped up the January 6 conference pretty quick. They brought up a bunch of baseball players over steroids pretty quick, and insert every other issue here.

12:23But all of a sudden, they have no interest in a case such as Epstein's. Meanwhile, we have all of these big-time players being involved, Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew, aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, by the way. All of these cats. And now, again, besides Prince Andrew, I'm not saying that these dudes were taking part in the trafficking operation as far as abusing people. Until that comes out with some evidence to back it up, or I hear the survivors say that, right? Then, of course, it's definitely something that needs to be talked about in the same vein as Glenn Dubin, or Bill Richardson. But these guys were for sure enabling Jeffrey Epstein without a doubt it's not even an argument. And they were probably up to more. And forget about anybody who had any kind of financial relationship with the guy. If you were in bed with Epstein financially, you were engaging in all kinds of malfeasance,

13:26financial malfeasance. This dude had accounts everywhere. But the whole world's a playground to these people. The men of all ways. Meanwhile, us, and that means all of us out there, folks. I don't care if you're making 450 grand a year, 800 grand a year. They look at you the same. We're the children of never. They'll continue to, you know, play their game of thrones, right? And, you know, let us eat cake. But finally, I think they have went too far this time. Most of us are willing to look the other way when they're stealing and they're grifting. That's part of politics we expect it. But when you look the other way for a human trafficking operation, and then you sit here and you hear in court about two former United States presidents, one from each side of the aisle, by the way, having an intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, being multiple flyers on Old Boy's plane. If that doesn't make you sit back and take stock

14:26of where we are as a society, and what we're doing as a voting populist, I don't know what will. Because from where I'm sitting, it is all bad, folks. And there's no, oh, well, this one did it, or that one did it, or none of these people are safe from the Jeffrey Epstein stink. I did an episode a long time ago where I went through opensecrets.org where it lists all the people that have donated to political campaigns and stuff. And you'd be blown away by how many people Jeffrey Epstein donated to throughout the years politically speaking. A massive amount of people on both sides of the aisle, by the way. So you have to ask yourselves, what is it really that these politicians are doing? When you're hearing names like this in court,

15:26and they don't have any kind of hearing on the hill, or they're not ruffling any feathers, you guys don't have any subpoenas for anybody, it is a absolute black eye on society in general. And it just shows you that, unless it's a wedge issue, these politicians really do not care. Let's see, what else did Mr. Vesosky have to say today? They asked Mr. Vesosky, are you familiar with Prince Andrew? Vesosky said yes, then Christian Everdel, who is Galen Maxwell's lawyer, he said, and he flew on Mr. Epstein's plane, right? And Vesosky said he did. So what they're trying to do here by bringing up all of these names is to try and say that Epstein was an upstanding citizen, nothing was going on on those planes. He was hanging out with all of these upstanding

16:26other members of the high society. It's the same excuse that Alan Dershowitz tried to run. And it doesn't hold water with me, you know why? Well, you're all fellow travelers. I don't look at any of you as upstanding citizens or pillars of the community. We have one guy who's a reality TV star who got elected and then Bill Clinton, do I really need to go into this moron? I mean, really? This is the best we can do. So, you know, you have this whole wild situation where he's trying to ever del, by the way, I hear, is trying to set it up where the excuse is, well, all of these other people were on the plane, so it's cool, right? No big deal. Because all of these people are pillars of the community, according to Christian Everdell. Meanwhile, anyone who's followed this case knows that everybody he's brought up in that sentence is somebody who has been accused

17:27of taking part in the trafficking ring in one way or the other. Bill Clinton, as far as enabling and Prince Andrew, a lot more devious and a lot worse. So, forgive me if I don't look at those people as credible witnesses to the cause here. He says he also flew Mr. Epstein to Columbus to see Udless Wexner, which is interesting. He goes on to say, on your flights to interloken, was it Itsak Pearlman on one? Vesosky says yes he was. And Epstein had a cabin there, right? Vesosky says yes. And he means the cabin at interloken, like I was just talking about earlier, like I referenced. So, he had this cabin there because he was this big donor. And when you have a bunch of cheddar, you have a lot more opportunities that spring up around you, like most of us.

18:27No chance, right? But people like Epstein somehow, he trips over, falls in a pile of shit and comes out smelling like roses. So, Epstein had all the money in the world and he was able to donate money to these universities and in turn get access to these universities. And in this case, not a university, right? There's a high school. This is a school for the talented, the gifted. But that was Epstein's MO. We saw him do it in Harvard. We saw him do it at MIT. We saw him do it everywhere he went. He's always about spreading that dough around so that he'd have access to these campuses, to the scientists, and to the whole entire situation. So, that's pretty much the gist of it for the Vesosky end. Nothing too crazy besides him talking about

19:29the Trump, Clinton, and some of the other people that were on the plane. They also asked, did you ever see Epstein engaging in sex acts with underage girls? If Mr. Epstein were engaging in sex acts with underage girls, he probably would have told you not to leave the cockpit, correct? So, that was after a line of questioning where they asked him if he was able to leave the Gulf Stream to use the restroom, which is kind of ridiculous, right? I mean, to think that Epstein wouldn't be able to maneuver around all of that is crazy. And how many times would Mr. Vesosky have to get up to use the restroom on one of these flights? I don't know, just a question I'm asking. So, just because he has access to the cabin, doesn't mean he actually has access to the cabin if you get my drift.

20:30But it looks like that, you know, with the whole situation with Vesosky here, what they were trying to establish is that Epstein did have all of these people on these planes. These girls were on these planes. And, you know, even though Vesosky says that he didn't see anyone that he thought was young, I find that very hard to believe. But I guess that's objectionable, right? You can't really say one way or the other what he saw or didn't in as far as age of the girls. But it's pretty obvious when there's a young woman. One other exchange between Vesosky and the prosecutors was pretty interesting to me as well. Everdell said, and Galen seemed like a nice person to you. Did she not? Vesosky said, she did. Everdell goes on to say, and you have two daughters, and you let them ride horses with Galen, right?

21:31Vesosky says, I did. So, again, what they're trying to do is build credibility here. To say that Galen Maxwell is a good person. So good, in fact, that Mr. Vesosky would let his daughters ride horses with her. Christian Everdell goes on to say, you saw nothing in 30 years that made you think Mr. Epstein was an abuser, right? Vesosky says, I did not. Now, look, with Vesosky, I don't really trust the guy to be honest with you. He was an Epstein's employee for a very long time. After the first arrest, he never came out and said anything, kept quiet, and it took this whole entire proceeding to even get him to say anything. So, I'm not very confident in Mr. Vesosky here to be honest with you giving us the real story. Well, he goes on to say, Everdell goes nothing further, and then Judge Nathan orders the redirect where Maureen Comey says, did you let your 14-year-old daughter,

22:31massage Mr. Epstein? Vesosky says, I did not. And they finish it out with, nothing further, and we call our next witness, Jane. So, that was the Vesosky exchange, and it was pretty interesting at the end there, when Comey drops the bomb of, well, did you let your daughter's massage Jeffery Epstein? And I thought that was one of the biggest points of the exchange, as far as the whole entire cross-examination or questioning procedure of the day. All right, so let's dig into some of this testimony from Jane. Comey says, how old were you when you first had sexual contact with Jeffery Epstein? In response, Jane says, 14. Who was in the room with you? Asked Comey. The response from Jane? Galein Maxwell. Comey says, do you see her here? Jane says, yes, there,

23:32and sort of a beige turtleneck. Comey goes on to tell the court that she has identified the defendant. She goes on to ask Comey, what type of work did your father do? Jane says he was a musical composer. Then he died of leukemia. His employer had canceled his health insurance without him knowing we essentially went bankrupt and had to move out. So that's the typical move of Epstein. Right, looks for somebody who is in a vulnerable position and then dives in to try and, you know, act like he's going to save the day. But in reality, what he's going to do is crush those dreams and hopes of the girls under his heel. And that was as M.O. With all of these girls from, you know, broken homes or girls going through struggles, girls that have parents are on drugs, whatever it might be, this is what they zeroed in on.

24:35They go on to ask her. The prosecutor goes on to ask her when you were at interlocking, did you meet a couple? Jane replies, yes, the woman had a dog and the man said they were big benefactors. They asked for my mother's phone, a landline. So remember, this is back in the day when there was no cell phones yet. So you're still using landlines and all of that jazz. So Epstein and Maxwell asked for the landline number at our house. So Komi goes on to ask, when you visited, what do you remember about spending time at the pool? Jane says, there were four women in Galen, all topless, and some of them were naked. I was shocked. I hadn't seen that before. Maxwell would ask me if I had boyfriends. Now remember, this is a 14-year-old girl. So what they do in situations like this, people like Epstein, they normalize this behavior for their target for the one that they're grooming. They bring them around. And these young girls see these other women

25:36who might seem educated or, you know, hip, whatever it might be, running around like this, participating in these activities. And to the girl who has never been around this stuff before, and never been exposed to the upper crust of society, she's saying to herself, well, I guess this is normal. And that's how the grooming process really begins, right? You start to normalize this disgusting behavior. And we see it with Epstein over and over and over again. And we certainly see it as Jane is telling us, Mary regained a $50,000. She also asked that Epstein begin to pay for things for you. And Jane said, voice lessons, clothes, things for school. The prosecutor says, did Maxwell give you some advice? Jane replies that if you F them, you can always F them. They're sort of grandfathered in. I didn't know what it meant. So Maxwell trying to hip her to the game, right?

26:37Once you start doing that, then, you know, you're all set. You got him locked in. And really, at the nexus of all of this for Maxwell and Epstein was their honey trap. You know, they were trying to build dossiers on people. This goes so much deeper than just your typical human trafficking ring. And hopefully it's going to delve into that a little more here at the trial, but I doubt it. So I'll have a bunch of episodes that will fill in context. Comey goes on to ask, what did they tell you about their social circle? Jane says Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Mike Wallace. So two top level politicians right off the bat, two scus bags. And then Mike Wallace, another member of the esteemed legacy media. How many people in the legacy media have to be brought up? And then you got Mike Wallace here and his son Chris Wallace running around

27:39yelling at people from their ivory towers, talk about hypocritical. But Epstein had a lot of buddies in the media, a lot of friends in the legacy media. Guys like George Stepanopoulos, Katie Kirk. These are all people that have been to Jeffrey Epstein's house. She goes on to say, how was the house decorated? Jane says art, sculptures, pictures of famous people, presidents. I thought some of the art was odd. Naked women, creepy animals. And that was one of the MOs of Jeffrey Epstein and his decorating. When you look into Jeffrey Epstein's story, they talk about that at his places. Real weirdly decorated, a lot of odd stuff. Jane says Epstein took me into the pool house. He proceeded, oh man, this is trigger warning here. Folks is a little graphic. Then he went, he proceeded to masturbate on me. Then he went into the bathroom and cleaned himself and acted like nothing happened.

28:42I'd never seen that before. Comey goes on to say, did you keep spending time with them? Jane says yes. Now again, this is part of the grooming process. Making this normal, normalizing this behavior. And that's how they do it. And Maxwell and Epstein were professionals according to the survivors, according to the girls who have made these allegations. Jane goes on to say, Jeffrey proceeded to masturbate again. Galen was rubbing on him, kissing on him. How old were you? 14, she says. So they're trying to have their little trist here with this 14-year-old girl. And that's why when Maxwell makes the assertions that she has no idea the scope of Epstein's crimes or what Epstein was up to, it's laughable to anybody who has read the court documents. When you just read the depositions and you read some of the lawsuits that have been filed against her,

29:44it's laughable, honestly, that she would act like she didn't know the scope of what went on here. And when you hear it like this, and you see a little girl in court talking, I mean, a woman now, but you think about a little girl, 14 years old going through this, and it's just mind-blowing. She says, what was Maxwell's demeanor like? She was very casual, like this was entirely normal. I was confused. When you were 14, you have no idea what was going on. Prosecutor, did Jeffrey Epstein touch you? Jane? Yes, everywhere. So talk about creep factor increasing. Jeffrey Epstein was gross to begin with. Imagine being one of these survivors, one of these little girls, who has to touch this disgusting man with Galen Maxwell there, egging it on and participating, according to these allegations.

30:44Talk about PTSD. The prosecutor says, did you touch Mr. Epstein? Jane, after a pause, everywhere. The prosecutor says, again, trigger warning folks for some of you out there who, you know, this might not be comfortable with. I'm sorry to ask you this, but did he use sex toys? Jane? Yes, like those back massagers. They were painful. He did it anyway. Assistant attorney, I mean the prosecutor, did Maxwell touch your body? Jane? Yes. So again, she just, look, I don't want to underpin that, right? I don't want to underplay that either, because it's a big deal. In open court, Maxwell was just accused of partaking in the abuse. So, when you read an article and they call her a socialite, how about accused child abuser? How about accused child sex trafficker? How about accused scumbag?

31:44Anything but socialite? The questioning goes on from the prosecutor. How often did these things happen? Jane says, every time I visited, I want to visit his house. Prosecutor, did you travel to his other homes? Jane? Yes. Then they, she says, Komi says, we'll be back to that in a bit. When other people were present, how did incidents start? Jane says, Jeffrey would say, follow him. Prosecutor? Follow him, where? Jane replies to his bedroom or to the massage room. He would get on the massage table and it would sort of turn into this orgy. Prosecutor, how often was Maxwell present? Jane? I can't give a precise number. So, obviously more than once, according to this accuser? Now, that doesn't jive with what Maxwell has to say, right? But, as we've seen so far, I really don't have the faith

32:48in somebody who's being charged with perjury counts. Somebody was lied throughout this whole thing to be honest now. So, I don't think that this young lady is lying about this, right? And, for Maxwell and her team already were on day two, and you could see why the game of loopholes and technicalities were in such a big way for Maxwell and their defense to start it all out. They never wanted to get to this point, like we've discussed. They knew once they got to court, it was going to be bad news for them. The prosecutor goes on, during the incident, when you were 14, was Maxwell in the room? Jane replies, yes. Prosecutor, when you were 14, 15, and 16, how many times did you travel with them? Jane replies about 10 times to New York City and New Mexico on Jeffrey's plane. Again, it's wild to me that Zorro Ranch is not rated.

33:49Not that it'll do any good now, right? Rating it now means nothing. All of these places have to be hit at the same time if you're going to raid a criminal enterprise or else people will get rid of evidence. I'm not Inspector Gadget or anything, but you can't hit these places one at a time. So, Zorro Ranch, I know a lot of new listeners are listening out there, has never been rated. What kind of artwork did they have? Jane, yes, it was weird. Animal heads, naked women, orgies. It didn't seem very unusual at this point. Prosecutor, how did you feel in the New York house? Jane, like someone was always watching you. That's significant as well, because remember we heard Larry Vesosky talking about how he did audio work for Epstein, blah, blah, blah, and we've heard several other people come out and say they've installed audio, video, at Epstein's properties. Package that with what we've heard from the survivors, Maria Farmer,

34:49Virginia, and some others talking about how everything was wired up for Epstein to record everything and watch everything and it all really comes into a perspective, doesn't it? I've talked about this like building a puzzle from the very beginning and we started with the corner pieces and now we're getting a lot more clarity as things start to come undone. What would Epstein ask you to do? Again, trigger warning, gross stuff coming in. Jane, to straddle his face, to pinch his nipples. Prosecutor, were there times that Maxwell was present? Jane, yes. Prosecutor in the New York house, where did this happen? Jane, in the massage room. So, we've heard about the massage room and also massage was code word in Epstein's world for sex. Oh, let's go get a massage using air quotes. You know, like there were frat boys hanging out at the frat house.

35:54On the trip to New Mexico, where did you spend most of your time? Jane, on the ranch, it was in the middle of nowhere. Prosecutor, did anyone come into your room? Jane, yes. Someone came in and said, Jeffrey wants to see you and escorted me to see him. Now, the ranch is in a desolate location. It's in Stanley, New Mexico, like 40-something miles outside of Santa Fe. It's in the high desert and during the winter it is absolutely freezing cold there. I was out there in February of 2020 and it was quite an eye-opening experience. The place is desolate as hell and there are no neighbors. So, if you're a girl out on this property, even if you want to get away or leave, you have no shot. Unless if it's in the winter especially, summer too. I mean, it's hot as hell in the summer, but in the winter there's a lot of snow and the terrain is very unforgiving.

36:54So, it's a desolate place and Epstein chose New Mexico for a reason. Several of them, in fact, and the desolation and having nobody around to stick their nose in his business, certainly one of the top reasons. And this is horrible when I was reading this earlier. I can only imagine, I mean, this poor lady. Jane sobbing, I did not want to go see him. Prosecutor, who told you Epstein wanted to see you? Jane, I don't know. I had to fly back to Florida to go to school. I took a commercial flight, but I was only 15 and didn't even have a driver's permit. Jane said, Jane continues, so I couldn't get on the flight back to Florida. Having no idea, I freaked out. But Maxwell helped solve it. She talked to someone and I got on the plane. Oh, it must be nice, huh? Let me just make a phone call over to somebody and get you back on the plane. Wild, must be nice to have all these connections, must be nice to hang out with ex-presidents, princes, and other assorted scumbags.

38:03What was your home life like at the time? Jane replies, we were losing our home. We moved into a pool house. Jane goes on to say, my mom was enamored by the idea that these affluent people were taking an interest in me. Maxwell's lawyer objects at this point under hearsay. Prosecutor goes on to say, it's for the effect of the listener. Judge Nathan says, you may ask that question, but not what the mother said. So they have an approach, blah, blah, blah. And they discuss what they can and can't say at a sidebar real quick. They get back and the prosecutor goes on to say, what did your mother say? Jane says that I should be grateful for their attention. Imagine that's what your mother says? Man, I can't, these girls, these survivors, they've had a real, real hard road folks. From the abuse actually happening to nobody helping them, to having their names dragged through the media, by a jerk off legacy media,

39:09to now having to relive all of this again as this trial gets underway. And still nobody's in prison over this by the way, let's be very clear. Did you tell your siblings about the abuse? Jane says no, I was ashamed, and I had a manic depressed mother who didn't know how to cope. It seemed hopeless. She goes on to say, I spoke to my school guidance counselor who then called my mother. My mother told me, you don't talk about what happens at home and embarrass us. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes in a lot of homes, right? Very private, you know, don't talk about things outside of the home, et cetera, et cetera. But in situations like this, I mean, imagine how hopeless it must be, no where to turn. You can't tell your mom, your siblings, you don't feel like anyone will believe you. It's just, I can't even imagine walking a day in her shoes or the shoes of any of these survivors, in fact.

40:14The prosecutor goes on to say, Jane, what kind of work, what kind of work do you do now? Jane says I'm still an actor, I got work in LA, but I didn't know how to trust, how to reciprocate. She goes on to say, when did you stop being in touch with Jeffrey Epstein? Jane replies in 2002, I fell in love with somebody, but Epstein kept calling her and saying you wanted to see her. And that he needed to be, that she needed to be grateful to him. And that her mother was living in one of his apartments. Do you want me to continue? The prosecutor says, was that the last time? Jane says yes. So Epstein stopped calling her or kept trying to call her. And after she said to him that she had a boyfriend and was turning down his advances, seemed to be that it ended up that was the last time she was seeing him, right? The last time she had any contact with him. The prosecutor goes on to say, later, did you tell the man I'll call Matt about Epstein?

41:19Jane says yes, not in detail, but I did. By then, you saw Epstein on the TV all the time. He had been arrested. Did the FBI interview you in September 2019, the prosecutor said? Jane responds with yes. Now remember the name Matt, because it's significant for what's coming up tomorrow. She goes on to say, did you sue Golan Maxwell? Jane responds yes. And the Epstein's victim fund, Jane says yes. She awarded her $5 million. And she got approximately $2.9 million of that. Still not enough. I've said it from the beginning, they should back the brings truck up when it comes to these girls. So it goes on with more questioning. And then of course, you have the cross-examination by Golan Maxwell's team. And they're going after her as far as her credibility. Asking her, why did it take you, for instance? And you had two personal injury attorneys with you, Mr. Glaxman and Mr. Workman.

42:23After it took her 20 years to complain. So a manager says two full decades before your report to the police. By then, Mr. Epstein was dead, correct? And then manager goes on to say, in the 20 years, you spoke to several people close to you. To the person we're referring to as Matt, your sister Camilla, whereas there was an objection by the prosecution. But this is interesting because what she's trying to say is, well, you didn't tell anybody right away. So how did this really happen? Can we really believe you? Meanwhile, anyone who follows cases like this understands repressed memory. So that's the basic line of questioning for manager and Maxwell's legal team. And it's exactly what we thought it would be. We thought it would be going after her credibility. We thought it would be going after who she is. And that's exactly what we saw here today. So that was nothing out of the ordinary, for sure.

43:24It was expected, at least by me. Now, I don't think it's a winning strategy, however. So we'll have to see. But that is pretty much where we're at today, folks. The two witnesses that were on the stand, a basic gist about what the back and forth was about, and caught up for the night. So obviously, I will be back tomorrow morning, same time, early in the morning. We'll get an idea of what the lay of the land is. Take a look at some of the headlines. And I'll do the same thing I did today. Sit around and follow the thread over at Intercity Press. If you're on Twitter, you definitely need to check them out and give them a follow, because they're doing a really good coverage here on the case. And that's where I'm able to get these quotes from. So we'll do the same thing tomorrow. I'll go through it again. I'll notate some stuff that I find important. And we'll go through it. So I appreciate everybody joining me for another evening. And I hope that all of you have a great night.

44:24If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at ProtoNMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtoNMail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-Y-U-S-C-I. Mary, we doomed up. Up everyone and welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday, marked day one of the Galane Maxwell trial. And I have to tell you, I was caught a bit off guard. I wasn't expecting Larry Big Dog Vesosky to be put on the stand right away like that. I figured there would be some opening statements from both sides. And then we'd get into the meat and the potatoes, a little bit of the meat on the bone in the coming days. But they got right to it yesterday. And Larry Vesosky is a major cog within the Epstein realm.

45:26He was Epstein's pilot. He was flying all of these people all over the world. And obviously according to him, he'll tell you that he didn't know who was on all of those flights, especially the domestic ones. But you have to think that the government believes that he has something to add if they're calling him as their first witness. And it also makes me wonder if he cuts some kind of deal with the government. Now, again, there's zero evidence that Larry Vesosky was ever, you know, going to be indicted or anything like that. But it's pretty interesting that he's working with the government here. I mean, we're talking about a guy that Jeffrey Epstein gave a plot of land to right over there in his own ranch down in Stanley. And when I went down there to New Mexico, it is almost hard to explain just how vast this property is

46:28and just how desolate this property is. Jeffrey Epstein set up a nice little home away from home down there at Zorro Ranch. And the things he was doing down there were very secretive, right? It wasn't something that was well publicized. There was a reason he chose that spot in New Mexico. I mean, obviously one of the reasons is the age of consent there. But there were other reasons why Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico. And the fact that he was able to get away with the things he was able to get away with in New Mexico is just mind-boggling to me. But the point is, you don't give somebody a big fat chunk of land in a place that you're hoping to keep relatively private or at the very least under a shroud of secrecy, a piece of land there if you don't trust them.

47:28So my question is, what enticed him to offer up information for the government? Now again, I don't have any leads saying that he had a proper agreement or he was in any jeopardy of being indicted. But I just find it interesting that he is talking with the government now and not only just talking with the government obviously, but taking the stand as a government witness. Usually that kind of thing doesn't just happen organically, right? The government is, you know, they find ways to get people to do what they want them to do, especially if you have something that might be criminal hanging over your head. They will definitely leverage that. They'll use it in their favor and they'll get you moving in a direction that they want you to move in. So the Larry Vesosky on the stand, it's definitely very interesting, but as I ruminated on it last night and I let it marinate,

48:28I had some more questions, right? Like, did he get a proper agreement? Is he working with the government because he doesn't want to be charged himself? Or did they just turn him as a witness? So it's going to be very interesting to see all of the details, right? All of the specifics as we move forward. And with something like this, a trial, a case with just so much information, it's going to be very fluid. Things are going to happen quickly and things are going to happen on a daily basis. Every single time that you have this gerium panelled and the trial going on, you're going to have significant things coming out of those sessions. So getting right off to a jump with Larry Vesosky as witness number one, it just tells me that there's going to be some more surprises coming down the old shoot here.

49:28And I'm very curious to see who else the government offers up as witnesses. And on the flip side of that, I'm wondering who the defense is going to pony up as a witness besides their paid forward specialists. Are they going to have anyone show up and polish Golan Maxwell's reputation? Is anyone going to step into that box and say, hey, look, Golan Maxwell is a good person. She didn't do this and I think that she's innocent. Now, I haven't heard that they're going to have anybody up there to do that, but you would think, right, if you're the defense, one thing you want to do is try to establish that your client has, you know, as a person of character, is somebody who, this is below and somebody who would never engage in behavior like this. And if your client is somebody like that, it stands to reason that you'd be able to find a few people that are willing to, you know, go on the record and testify that she's a good person

50:32or that she's somebody of upstanding character. So I'm interested to see what sort of trick the Maxwell team pulls out of their hat when it comes to establishing her as a credible person or somebody who should be believed. Because you know that the prosecution is, they're coming hard. Obviously, if Vasoski is the first witness, you got to think that there's going to be a litany of people trotting up to that box that have damning statements about Golan Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and the way they were conducting themselves. And who better situated than the guy that was flying them all around the world? Now, last night, I uploaded an episode about the other pilot that was brought up at this trial, David Rogers. You might want to check that out as well. But with Larry Vasoski taking the stand here, it's pretty significant.

51:33For those of us who have been following the case especially, I was talking with some of my colleagues who followed the case yesterday. And it was pretty much a unanimous consensus that this is probably going to lead us to even more explosive witnesses hitting that stand. So I'm very interested to see where things go today. And I'm interested to see what sort of strategy the defense is going to use when it comes to cross-examining Larry Vasoski. We can definitely expect more of Vasoski today. And we'll see what comes of it. But I think it's very, very interesting that he was the first witness. And I think it's going to be interesting to see how it all breaks down from here. So today, what we're going to do is we're going to take a look at some of the headlines from overnight.

52:33And yeah, to take a look at what's going on. We have a headline over here from Slate. And this is an article that was published by Seth Stevenson. The headline, Glaine Maxwell's trial opens with her lawyer diving straight into the muck. And he goes into what's going on like outside of the courthouse and all of that jazz. From the article, outside the Third Good Marshall Federal Courthouse in Lower Manhattan this morning, the media throng assembled to cover day one of the Glaine Maxwell trial. Print reporters, newsletter writers, podcasters and television crews, coalesced into the strangely glamorous frenzy that seems to accompany the launch of every, every high-profile criminal proceeding. Now, the reason I bring this headline up is I talk a lot about how it's Carnival Barker City right now. And you're definitely seeing it out in front of the courthouse.

53:33There are people of all stripes showing up and making their voices heard. And you know, you have a lot of misinformed people as well. But one thing is very apparent to me. And it is that there is a lot of anger on both sides of the political fence. And it's not very often that you see that. Now, of course, there are the Yahoo's that are using this as a political cudgel to beat their political opponents over the head. And I'd be very cautious of any of these pundits that are talking about this case from either side of the conversation. I'd be very cautious about what sort of rhetoric they're spinning towards you. Because this is much bigger than that. This is so much bigger than Republican and Democrat. This is so much bigger than left and right. You have to understand that this was people at all levers of power from both parties.

54:36Who were enabling this and facilitating this for decades. So to try and pin it on one party or the other is a great disservice to those who were actually abused by this scumbag. So while the circus-like atmosphere is to be expected, I think that it is one of the most gross ways to go about things when you're using this as a political cudgel. Now, of course, there's a political angle to it, right? Definitely. A lot of the people involved had ties to politicians or were politicians themselves. But it's very apparent when someone's trying to harness this as a political weapon. And I would just caution you to be very, very wary of that. He goes on to say, I've seen it before, it always starts this way. No matter the trial, when it comes to a high profile one, it's always going to have a cast of characters, right?

55:39So I just, it's one of those things where I just witness and I observe and shake my head. You know, you have like, like he says here, when Michael Jackson's trial for child sexual abuse charges was getting underway, the media revved up to cover the bizarre tale of an eccentric global superstar. And then the trial began and we met a dim lonely drunk who liked to show porn omags to little boys. So I guess what he's trying to say here in this article is the perception of what a trial is going to be and then the reality of it are usually two very, very different things. And I think we'll see a lot of that in this case as well. There are a lot of misinformed people when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case, the Golan Maxwell trial, and all of the players on the stage. And hopefully, when we're done here on the podcast, we can try and clear a little bit of that up. And my suggestion would be to all of you out there who are new to this case, who have just found the Golan Maxwell trial or have just gotten interested in this.

56:47I would suggest that you go on to social media and you seek out some of the survivors from this case and follow them on social media and listen to them in their own words. That way there's no background noise, there's no middleman. And one thing that these survivors did that was pretty much groundbreaking was they skipped the legacy media. And they went directly to social media, to independent content creators, and independent journalists to get the story out. And once there was such a swell from all of you people out there who have been following this case, they were forced to act, right? And it's been pretty crazy to watch it all unfold. Because it has been time and time again, where not only were these girls, women, victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell, but by our very own justice system,

57:55by the people who were put in place to make sure that the most vulnerable amongst us are protected, those very people failed these girls. And you heard it yesterday in the trial and it's something I've been punching home for a long time here. They chose girls from broken homes, girls who come from low income families, girls who don't have as many prospects on the horizon. And they specifically search these kinds of girls out. And that just makes it even more draconian to me. As if it's not hard enough, being broke, being poor, coming from a broken home. Now you have this multi-hundred million dollar predator and his co-associate, his under boss bringing you in to groom you and molest you. And it's absolutely horrendous to think about. And the fact that they prayed on the most vulnerable amongst us, it just makes me so mad.

59:00I really dislike bullies. And I really like people who punch down. I really dislike people who punch down. And Jeffrey Epstein was all of that. And Galen Maxwell, she went right along with it. She was right there making decisions with them. And helping him facilitate all of this according to multiple, multiple survivors. He goes on to say that he suspects that the trial of Galen Maxwell, who stands accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse minors, will follow a similar arc to those other trials. Meaning, you know, the whole entire circus atmosphere, et cetera, et cetera. He says the media has revved itself up to cover the story of a stylish jet-setting socialite who broke fantastically bad. But over the coming long courtroom days, Chances are we'll hear less about how she graduated from Oxford, speaks several languages and can pilot helicopters, and more about how she allegedly took teenage girls on Florida shopping mall excursions, as a means of prepping them for molestation.

1:00:06Yeah, well, anyone who's showing up here thinking that Galen Maxwell is just some shrinking violet socialite, you're in for a rude awakening because that is not the case. Galen Maxwell is not that, okay? She knew exactly what she was getting into, well-educated lady, comes from money, comes from power, and to think that she was just along for the ride is absolutely ridiculous. And, you know, again, when we talk about the overall atmosphere around this trial, there's going to be some wildness, there's no doubt about it. And there's going to be a ton of carnival barkers and a ton of disinformation agents. But one thing that is going to be constant, one thing that you can guarantee is the profile that's going to be painted of Galen Maxwell is going to be less than flattering by the prosecution.

1:01:10And not only that, but those assertions, well, they're going to be backed up by evidence and the statements from the survivors themselves. So, it's going to be a very, very interesting few weeks to see which way Maxwell's team goes with all of this. Now, we already know that their strategy so far has been to come out and blame the girls basically, right? Saying that, you know, Maxwell was just someone who was around for Epstein's run. She didn't have anything to do with it. And, you know, the girls are liars. They're really above the age of consent. So, you know how it goes. This is the typical defense. When you see a case like this, you know, they try and impune the reputation of the accusers.

1:02:12They try and set them up as if they're money hungry or their prostitutes or whatever it may be. But it's the age that they've been doing this forever. It's like when you're in the NFL and you fire your coach and you think it's a good idea to bring in Wade Wilson again. Bro, why are you bringing in the same guy with the same playbook? And that's what the Maxwell team is doing here. And I've been pretty steadfast in my opinion that it's not going to work out. You're not going to paint Maxwell as a scapegoat. She's not a stand-in for Epstein's crimes. None of that. And I really hope that the prosecution punches that home. Now, again, not very confident in the prosecution in America, the prosecutors in America, when they're going after high-profile people. Oh, sure. When the federal authorities are going after you or me, it's a home run for them, right? Slam dunk city. But when they're going after their own friends, the other members of so-called elite society, usually turns out a little bit different, doesn't it?

1:03:18But hopefully there's enough interest and enough anger around this case that they can't pull any of those nonsensical moves that they usually like to pull. So, I hope that the prosecution continues to beat home the fact that Galen Maxwell was not a passenger on this ship. She wasn't just somebody who was stowing away. She was, in fact, piloting the ship sometimes. She was in the navigation room. She knew how the engine worked. And she certainly, most certainly, knew what was going on. And for her to set it up as if she had no idea what was going on, you know, that she was just completely taken off guard by what happened here is just an absolute ridiculous leap that they're asking people to take. And I honestly doubt anyone's going to be willing to take that leap.

1:04:24So, there you have it folks for the morning. Now, trials getting ready or is back underway as we speak, it's 6 a.m. here in Las Vegas as this episode's about to be dropped. So, we got a whole day ahead of us. We're going to keep an eye on things. I'm pretty much locked into this studio watching the live streams happen with the updates, live updates, not phone or, you know, digital or anything like that, but there's a lot of live threads on like Twitter from inner city of press, Adam Klassfeld has a real good live feed that he's been doing. So, I'll be following those all day and preparing to come back tonight and do a wrap-up show and talk about what occurred throughout the day in the trial and what if any surprises or curveballs were thrown our way. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobbi Kapuchi at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y-U-U-C-C-I.

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