Media Intensifies Efforts to Demonize Holdout Clancy Juror

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1:00Republican, gubernatorial nominee Tom Tiffany, Congressman from Wisconsin as well. He tells the story this way on X yesterday while returning home from the La Crosse County Lincoln Day dinner tonight. The plane I was traveling in lost powers. We approached the wasa downtown airport. The pilot made an emergency water landing in Lake Wasa. After landing, we called 911. As the plane began to submerge, we exited the aircraft and swam to a shallow area where we waited until emergency responders reached us by boat. I want to express my deepest gratitude to the pilot, the wasa fire department and all of the first responders who came to our aid yesterday, understandably, Congressman Tiffany, still pretty emotional about what he had been through the night before. We are just really fortunate. We were really fortunate that God was looking after us last night. And he also says he's still after all that, ready to get back on the trail. I just want to thank all of you for your thoughts and prayers for me and my family after our

2:01plane went down in Lake Wasa. We're so grateful for them. And thank you to the first responders that pulled us out of Lake Wasa. They represent the best of Wisconsin. I just want you to know that I'm okay and I'm ready to get back to work for you. So there you go. You should think that everybody would be happy. Wow, that was a really scary thing. Amazing that he's still alive. Thank God for that. And everybody should be thrilled about that. But Hope Karnop writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel gym. She puts out a map of the area. She says here's a map from the Marathon County Sheriff's Office that shows approximate location of the emergency landing involving Tom Tiffany. According to the Wisconsin DNR, the maximum depth of Lake Wasa is only 30 feet and the mean depth is 7 feet to which someone on X responds, why did you insert the word only? And she says to explain the gravity of the situation, 30 feet doesn't seem like much to me. Jim it's taller than anybody else, 30 feet and so is 7 feet just about certainly taller

3:02than Tom Tiffany. And so she's now deleted these tweets, but you know, just trying to find a way to just diminish the story somehow. I don't know why she would be interested in that. But again, the bigger story is that thank goodness Tom Tiffany is okay. First of all, listeners viewers, let the record show that Greg says that I cannot talk about the jets. And then immediately, let's talk about airplanes. All right, we're going to we're going to taunt Jim and Tom Tiffany in that very gracious thank you video is to be wearing a green Bay Packers shirt. Who do the jets play next week, Greg? The green Bay Packers. All right, so I just want to point out, I understand what you're doing here. I find, well, first of all, I saw this and I thought about, was it Mel Carnahan, the Democratic Senator Ted Stevens, the former Republican Senator Paul Wellstone, or am I remember correctly, Minnesota. Politicians travel on planes a lot more than the average person does. And as a result of this, a lot of them are smaller planes, a lot of them are smaller airports traveling around their state to campaign and such.

4:05And as a result of that, they are more likely to end up in plane crashes. Thankfully, this one has a happy ending and thank God and thank goodness for Tom Tiffany. I also point out that like, this was a race that certainly dropped off the national radar screen after Francesca Hong lost the primary. The polling I had seen it looked like it was pretty darn close. Maybe the other the Democrat who won the primary David Crowley with a small lead. It's not like, oh, good, there was this, you know, this plane crash for Tom Tiffany, but just an observation, this probably puts the race back on people to radar screens. As we get into the heat, the heat of the peak of campaign season, that observation about it's only seven feet. Greg, does this reporter believe that Tom Tiffany, who is a member of Congress, moonlights playing in the NBA? Because seven feet is more than you or me. Seven feet is tall and just by everybody. And oh, by the way, your plane is crashing. By the way, I don't work for the National Transportation Safety Board, but like shallow

5:06water might be tougher because at some point you go through the water, you hit the ground back to do even more impact of damage and things like that. So this was the right of sponsor, the sort of things, thank God. And just give the facts. The lake was only seven feet at that. Like, there have recently been terrible mass layoffs at McClatchy. There are lots of mass layoffs, particularly in America's newspapers. And I don't like to see that. But when people say things like this, and social media has been this horrific open window into the minds of people who are journalists and their first reaction, and they put it out there, and the instinct is, it's only seven feet. No, what is wrong with you? Again, like I, this, there's, by the way, it would be good to have the editor come out and say, this is not, you know, we don't want to downplay the risk of a play. Show me the safe plane crash. Show me the plane crash is not a big deal, particularly for a water landing. I think we, we've been kept in sully.

6:07They made a whole movie about all this kind of stuff, like water landings are not good and not easy. And that's one of the reasons you know, they go through the safety protocol before you take off on every, you know, commercial airliner. So, you know, thank a very thankful story with the weirdly discordant note by the reporter living down to every negative stereotype that folks on the right have in people like this. Yeah, trying to downplay a story that doesn't need to be downplayed whatsoever. You could have just put the map out there. That's fine. The word only really got her in trouble there. And so, hopefully there is a discussion happening in that newsroom, given their handling of the Mandela Barnes story with not a lot of details at the, basically, the behest of Tony Evers to force him out of the race. I'm not real confident that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has got everyone's best interest at heart here. But again, Tom Tiffany, glad you're okay. Hope you win. All right. Let's talk about other problems, much smaller problems than that, but they could be expensive problems when it comes to your home. And that is major repairs that always come at the worst possible time.

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9:16at urgentcairedkit.com slash blue. Alright Jim, let's go back out to Los Angeles, the hopeless race as I like to call it because no matter who wins, it's going to be disastrous for the people of Los Angeles. But hey, these are the two people that you put in the November elections. So things continue to go spiraling downward in Los Angeles. It's kind of really your own fault. But of course the big event that happened on Karen Bass's watch, the current mayor, was the massive fires that happened in early 2025, most famously the Pacific Palisades, but Malibu, so many different other parts, so many different fires in fact. Not surprisingly, Congress wants to investigate what exactly happened there, both leading up to it during and after the fact, but Jim Karen Bass is just too busy. She can't come to Washington to take part in this process. Man, even just getting the documents ready is just a super big problem for her staff.

10:17They're going to do it, but man, think of the cost. You were a message to that committee, the House committee that want you to show up and talk about homelessness and the Republicans and that committee is what? I cannot attend due to my schedule. I will tell you though Jacob that it's not just me showing up. They also asked for a ton of documents and we will cooperate with that as we have with the other investigations, but when they do that, when they pile investigations on you, you can imagine how much money is being wasted, spent because you have to have attorneys, you have to have staff that go through and send them documents after documents. I serve there. I know what this dog and pony show is. I know what those house hearings are about. And in my opinion, one, I could not make it this week, but two, I just think it is a complete misuse of resources in the city and a waste of time on the federal side. A complete waste of time, Jim, given all the mayhem and people losing their homes and the misery

11:18and the slow rebuild there. But I guess for the first time in our life, Karen Bass has found something she thinks is government waste. Yeah, I guess that's the faintest glimmer of silver lining. Greg, I noticed the MSNOW host did not say, oh, you've been in Congress and you're familiar with this sort of, quote, dog and pony show. What dog and pony shows were you involved with during your time in Congress? Which hearings did you hold and participate in that were not, in fact, genuine fact finding and oversight? And were in fact just being used to humiliate the opposition because I have a feeling your hands are not as clean on this as you'd like to pretend. In addition to all of Procopius other flaws being a wall when the city needed it, apparently seeing the mayor's office as sort of a semi-retirement gig where you mostly just show up for ribbon cuttings and ceremonial duties. You didn't think she'd actually have to work. She's also a whiner and of all the things that Los Angeles should not tolerate.

12:19She goes to talk about this as if this is something that's happening to her. This is not a consequence of her record as mayor and the things that she has done in her now nearly four years there. She pledged she was going to fix homelessness. The homelessness were problem is worse than ever. And that's even separate from the large scale response to the wildfires. I think the city's preparations for the wildfires, not just in her office, but just generally fire preparation, as well as the state level and the federal level, are entirely legitimate areas for this. And considering how, like the idea like, oh, none of this is all done. Look, is it inconvenient when it's going on during a campaign? Sure. But it's Los Angeles. We're not exactly, it's not like she's doing a ton of town halls, morning, noon, and night. You know, like, so there's just kind of the sense of like, oh, it's a waste of money. Oh, really? Oh, really? Reviewing what you're doing is a waste of money. Not every, I'm fairly certain if we looked at the Los Angeles City budget, we could find all kinds of this sort of thing. And requesting, Congress requesting documents from local governments

13:20happens every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The idea that she's getting some sort of undue burden here is ridiculous. And it's just more continuing the sense that like she, no, like if you really don't want to do this, stop running for re-election. No one's making you, you know why you're in this situation? Because you ran for this office, got elected to this office. And you insist upon staying in this office, even though you've utterly failed your constituents. Absolutely. Right. I don't know about you, Jim. I don't think I've heard her say one thing that she wishes she had done differently before during her after the fire. I don't think Gavin Newsom has said that either they tried to blame Trump, which is hilarious because Trump wasn't even back in office. When the fires came in very early January of 2025. So like we said at the time, when it's all Democrats, you really don't have Republicans to blame. And so that's why they tried to blame it on climate change. But then they arrested an arsonist. And so the whole attempt to not blame Democrats here is falling apart. I don't know what's going to happen out of this congressional hearing. But Karen Bass, I'm sure we'll slow play the documents as much as possible as well.

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15:51MergentCareKit.com slash Blue. UrgentCareKit.com slash Blue. Jim, it's like the Godfather 3 here with this Clancy jury and this whole Lindsay Clancy story. Every time we think we're out, they pull us back in with the absolute insanity. We reacted to the three female jurors, the talk to the local NBC Boston affiliate last week, but so much has happened since then. So let's catch you up real quickly after we recorded on Friday. And that was our special 9-11 edition. So we wouldn't have talked about this anyway. At the time, one of those three female jurors, her name is Paula Devlin sat down with Gail King and revealed something that left Gail King absolutely shook. I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women, three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What was it? 70 in 70 ish to 22. And one person of color and then everybody else was white.

16:57A lot of the jurors had children. One person of color was a person of color, a woman or a man. A man. A man. Is a holdout juror a person, a black man? Yes. A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I have to sit with that for just a second. Why do you have to sit with that for a second, Gail King? Is it because you just expect them to think the exact same way that you do? That's a facet of racism to me. I don't know what you think about that, Jim. But then the day wasn't over yet. Later on Friday, Suo Connell of NBC 10 in Boston, who did those interviews with the three jurors out in the yard there, says the holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial had a history of domestic violence allegations. The NBC 10 Boston investigators have learned through court documents and interviews with family members. Watch it. Four, five, six, and on our digital platforms. So now it's not bad enough that they demonized this guy in interviews. Now they got to go dig in through his personal life, which I don't think I've ever heard in relation to a juror.

17:58But if they've got to demonize this guy and potentially poison the pool for another trial, if that happens, then Paula Devlin, same person the Gail King was talking to, talks to another CBS interviewer about some of their rationale for why most of them wanted to be not guilty by reason of insanity. We knew that this was a turning point, and this would be something that could change something to make it better for other women in the future, for other families. You know, justice for those children is this never happening again. No, no, actually punishing the person who killed them would be good. But Jim, so now they've decided that part of the verdict was to make some sort of social progress, which is definitely not their job. A lot to unpack here to live down to one of my stereotypes. So first of all, I am a little bit bewildered by, look, you know, the juror was in the jury room. When they asked you what the racial makeup was,

19:00you can say this many white, this many black, that she gets into percentages and you have 12, so it's 70 some, just want to do it. Just tell us who was what color. That's the weird thing of like, we don't need to bring in algebra. I'm not going to talk to Carlson Rant. I'm just saying there's a reason for letters to be in there. But nonetheless, it was a majority white and almost entirely white jury. And now we learn, oh, they were the lone holdout was an African-American man. And all of these white ladies who've gone on this media tour, talking about how injustice was fit. Wait, all of a sudden, Greg, I'm not surprised. That she had to sit with that for a moment because my guess is, she is locked into this narrative in which the minority, somebody who's in a minority group must be the hero of the story. Someone who is white must be the villain of the story. And she had come into this saying, well, ah, the 11 jurors who wanted to let Lindsey Clancy wanted to find her not guilty by reason of insanity

20:01are the heroes of this story. And this guy, the lone holdout juror is the villain of this story. Except the racial lines don't line up the way Gail King expected. So that was, that was a rather revealing moment on camera on that. The second thing that I'm like, on the one hand, we've had some fun at the, we've laughed at these, the jurors who've decided that these are the 15 minutes of fame and they're going to enjoy every last millisecond of it. I joke about getting out of jury duty. But generally, there's always a chance that neither the defense attorney nor the prosecutor will object. And you find yourself serving on a jury. You can't come up with any good excuse. You can't come up with any good reason while you would not be a good juror. This is one of the few things, it's not quite being drafted. But it's one of the things that the government can make you do. So if the government is going to make you do something, there are a couple of things there. They pay you, I don't know, it's a couple of bucks a day. It's some extremely, they'll pay you a per DM to cover transportation costs sometimes. If you're not sequestered, if you're sequestered, obviously,

21:03keeping you up in some hotel room or something like that. You're basically you, the juror, the government's kind of dragging you into doing something. So it basically tries to make things easier. But a really key part of that is anonymity. This whole doctor has not appeared on camera. It's yet, I suspect he never will. And he has under no obligation to ever sit down and say, here's the decision I reached, here's what I was reasoning and what that was. Now, if you're a juror, after the jury's trial is done, you can go out and you can try to turn yourself into a bit of a a mini celebrity for a period. And clearly a bunch of the jurors have chosen to do this. But the more we learn about this juror, the more likely it is that somebody is going to be able to take this information and dox him. We already had the woman who was taking pictures of the jurors or recording video of the jurors as they were entering. I'm not quite sure why this jury wasn't sequestered. I do kind of wonder about that. I just kind of wonder if maybe the national interest in the case increased over time and they'd already made the decision not to sequester them.

22:03Sequesting a jury is obviously considerable expense. It's obviously a considerable imposition on the lives of the jurors. But this guy, if he doesn't want to come forward, deserves to keep his anonymity. And it certainly feels like there's a lot of people in the media world of the Boston area who would like to get that revealed. And my suspicion is that once this guy's name gets out, he'll be subjected to all kinds of harassment. Because that's what happens in our society right now. We live in a world where Alex Jones listeners decided to harass the grieving parents of Sandy Hook. Right? You know, if you're a public figure, you are, people conclude you are fair target for this. And certainly the incendiary rhetoric we've heard from everyone from the defense attorney to some of these other jurors does not do anything. The other thing is when she says she saw she was going to, the idea, this verdict was going to change something. And I really would have liked to elaborate on what that something was for other women.

23:05That's not your job as a juror. You have very clear instructions, very strict instructions. You're supposed to judge it based on the facts and the law in front of you. Your job is not to change society. Your job is not to be a symbol. Your job is not to make these sweeping, no, facts and the law. That's all you got there. And we've already seen several of the jurors who I guess have been nurses or had some sort of medical background who said, well, I know from my professional experience, this is how the medicine reacted to the medication, blah, blah, blah. And people are like, no, that's not what you're supposed to do as a juror. It's very hard to build a wall in your brain between things you may know from earlier in life and the facts in the case before you. But if it's not, you're not supposed to bring in your own facts into the jury room. You're supposed to be basing exactly what was said in during that trial. So that too was kind of troubling. And just kind of this idea of like every opportunity so far, these jurors have lived down to the stereotype that people had suspected during this. And again, it's not going to go away from the jury system,

24:07but obviously every time there's a high profile case and there's a controversial decision, people lose some faith in the jury system. Every public appearance these jurors make, they are undermining public's faith in it even further. No, I think that's exactly right. And if there is a second trial here, would you want to serve on that jury, knowing that if you come to the same conclusion as the whole doubt jury that your life is going to be destroyed that way too? I mean, this is clearly during intimidation of a prospective second trial, I think, from the defense attorney to NBC 10 Boston to some of these jurors. And speaking of NBC 10 Boston, the woman who interviewed the three women earlier last week was Sue O'Connell. She makes it very clear in her Twitter bio or ex bio that she is a commentator. She's not a reporter. But here is what she had to say a while back when people were celebrating Luigi Mangioñi's murder of the CEO of United Health Care. She did say before this clip that she thought it was ghoulish that they were celebrating this, but like every person on the left that's immediately followed with but...

25:09Washington should pay attention to this reaction. I checked the feeds of a number of those people who were celebrating this murder and they worked trolls or haters. That anger could be harnessed and it could actually fuel efforts again for maybe something like Medicare for all like Senator Bernie Sanders has advocated for. Gosh, just terrible with this guy with murder, but maybe we can get Medicare for all out of it. If we just push hard enough, Jim. It's people are amazing. There's no reason to question my objectivity. Also, here's legislation we need to pass. Exactly right. All right, in a minute, yes, we're in pretty good moods today following yesterday's results in the NFL. We'll talk about it briefly in just a second. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have Exama. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let Exama take over when you can talk to your doctor about Epglis? Epglis, lubricism app LBKZ, a 250-mg per 2-mg leader injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older, who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40

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28:22It's been a while. 13 years. But hey, it's, you know, one of those are good start. I try not to get too excited, but I think both of us have reason to be optimistic. Man, Greg, my high schooler was a toddler then. And, you know, this is a Jets have not made the playoffs since after the 2010 season. My younger one has kind of said, am I the problem? No, no, you were born last time, you were alive last time they were in the playoffs. So it's not your fault, kiddo. Suddenly I turned it to Robin Williams in Goodwill Hunting. But no, like, first of all, 59 points. I hope you guys use up all your points in the first three weeks. Because yes, the Jets and Bears play each other week four. Greg and I will have a lot of fun with that down the road. You got to pull for us because we got the Packers next week and the Lions after that. So you need us to knock off your NFC, but we're first of all congratulations. We're watching in our restaurant and every time I looked up, the Bear Score was higher.

29:23It just, you know, it just was like a pinball machine. The scoreboard couldn't keep up fast enough. And that's for that. Tomorrow I will tape editors. My boss, Rich Lowry, is a grew up a Houston Oilers fan and has become a Tennessee Titan's fan. And I will give them they have really snazzy looking uniforms. That said, as a Jets fan, I'm very familiar with Robert Salah. And let's say his quirks as a head coach. All the more on display yesterday. And boy, oh boy, I think it's going to be a long season. I didn't actually watch the post game press come. I'm sure Robert Salah is like, well, I got to look at the tape, but you know, we got to go all gas, no breaks, you know, I had played, played to the whistle, 60 minute effort, all, you know, every cliche stuff that's going to have absolutely nothing to give you a sense of, oh, I've recognized what's wrong with this team. And I know how to fix it. So good luck, Tennessee. I'll see you, you know, we'll see you at the draft season. The part of me that says don't get too excited. It's only week one says, all right, defense has to do better. We gave up 37 points, but when you're looking at 59 on the offense inside, it's pretty hard not to be excited about that. All eight touchdowns coming from the offense. Eight touchdowns. I didn't know you could score eight touchdowns in a season.

30:24Never mind a game. There are seasons that took us a while to get to eight touchdowns. That's for sure. Yeah, Caleb, go ahead and take a look. Oh, yeah, accounting for at least four, maybe five touchdowns and three on the ground for swip. So we're home against the Vikings who actually looked a lot better than we expected yesterday. So we'll see. One week at a time. You play in one game at a time as that's the cliche goes, but hey, it's much better to be one and no than one. Jim, see you tomorrow. See you tomorrow, Greg. Jim Garrett, a national review. I'm Greg Carumbus of Radio America. Thanks so much for being with us today. Please be sure to subscribe to the podcast if you don't already. Tell your friends about us as well. Thanks also for your five star ratings and your kind reviews. Please keep those coming. Get us on your home devices. All you have to say is play three martini lunch podcast. Follow us both on X. He's at Jim Garrett. I'm at Greg Carumbus. And follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Have a great Monday. Join us again Tuesday for the next three martini lunch. At my bank, I was literally getting pennies using wallfronts. Chaching. There's this much that I'm getting an interest in. I didn't have to do anything. Clients like Angela earn up to 4.2% APY on their cash with the

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