MCC Corrections Officer Michael Thomas And His OIG Interview Related To Epstein's Death (Part 14 ) (3/3/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles in this episode we're gonna pick up where we left off with a Michael Thomas interview with the OIG inspectors. Question, so as far as visitors to the shoe you said that there was redacted, Lane came at four but you don't recall any, another CO coming in at 5.30am, Thomas, I don't. Question, no, and the food delivery? You said that's all outside of the shoe. You go out and get that yourself, Thomas, you go out and get that. I mean it happens, I mean if I'm not mistaken, it was just me and Noel up there. At some time the six count come. He's pushing it in when he comes along, but I don't remember seeing the six cart come in at that time. Question, all right, Thomas, I don't recall. I don't remember if he was there or not, I really don't remember. Question, okay, and you said no one entered Epstein cell between 12am and 6am that you know of. Thomas, not by my knowledge, question and did you enter

1:05Epstein cell at all between 6 and approximately 6.30? Thomas, no. Question, and so never before the initial, he gets cut off by Thomas, yes, the initial. Question, okay, do you know who the last person was to enter Epstein cell? Thomas, I do not. Question, okay, do you know what would be the purpose of someone for the last person to enter his cell? When you give people food, do you do it through the food tray? Thomas, food slot, question, food slot. So what would be a purpose to actually enter a cell? Thomas, during which shift, my shift the overnight? Question, yeah. So if you can think of a reason why people would go into an inmate cell, what would be the reason why someone would have, Thomas, most of the time you don't go in an inmate cell unless authorized? The lieutenant has to be there to go in there. Question into an inmate cell, Thomas, well if you're talking about during the morning watch, I can't go in there until the lieutenant comes. I wouldn't just go in there

2:08unless the lieutenant was in there. Question, okay. So officers don't go into inmate cells unless lieutenants are present. Thomas, no, not for all, if an inmate is harming himself, I'm not going to wait for the lieutenant. Question, yeah. That's understood, you know what I'm saying, but as far as just going into the cell, I'm not going to go in there unless lieutenant is present. Redacted, okay, do you call, do you recall any issues with any other inmates on August 10th 2019 during your shift? Thomas with me? Question, yeah, Thomas, no, question, you had no any issues? Do you remember like we're inmates complaining about the cells being left on or anything like that? Thomas, cells being left on? Question, sorry, the lights being left on, Thomas, nah, I don't remember, they can plan a lot. I don't really remember. Question, do you know of any other inmates that were

3:09like or came from suicide watch or were supposed to have special attention or anything? Thomas, no, I don't remember. Question, so you don't remember complaints about the lights being left on, nothing. Thomas, no, question, how do the lights work? Are the lights left on down the range? Thomas, the lights are left on down the range, but all inmates cover up their lights anyway. But even with the lights which it doesn't cut off all the lights, it's a light switch. As soon as you go into the tier to the left and it shuts off the lights, but some work and some because you can't shut it off and an inmate could still turn on his light. It doesn't shut the power off to him. Redacted, so they have access to their own interior lights? Thomas, yeah, they do. Question, but the outside lights that you have access to, they remain on. Thomas, they remain on 24 seven. Question, they do. All right. And is this like they have to remain on type of thing? Thomas, I guess so. Question,

4:10okay. Thomas, I don't know. Question. All right. Now we're going to talk about the medical emergency. Was there a medical emergency in the shoe on the morning of August 10, 2019? Thomas, yeah. Question, why was the medical emergency called? Thomas, when I went up to the cell to feed the tier, when I knocked on the door, seen Mr. Epstein, I said to come to the door, come to the door and he didn't move. And then I said, I'm coming in. And then I went in and he was hanging. Question, okay. When was the medical emergency called? Thomas, I called it immediately. I couldn't tell you the exact time. Question, but you called it in. Thomas, yeah, I yelled to Noel to get help. Question, okay. So you've gone to the door, saw what you saw and you yelled to immediately. Thomas, yeah, well, when I got to the door, I couldn't see what I was seeing. When I popped it open, I seen what I saw and I yelled for help. Question, so was the medical emergency called

5:12before you even entered the cell? Did you call Noel to call the medical? Thomas, yeah, I called for Noel to call for the medical emergency. Yes. Question, prior to entering, Thomas, right as soon as I entered, right as soon as I entered. Question, okay. So kind of like open the door and you said call for help. Thomas, yeah, exactly. Question, that type of thing and you ran in. Thomas, simultaneously. Yes. Question, okay. So at what time? So if the medical emergency was called at 6.33am, approximately what time was Epstein discovered? Do you think like a minute went by, two minutes, three minutes, five minutes? Thomas, I can't tell you the exact time, but I know whenever I popped because I don't know what time the food card came. The food card came up. I don't remember if we set up all the tears first or we set it up. Usually how I do it is just set all the tears and then I come back to the first tier and then I put it on. I don't remember if I did, so we're not.

6:14But when I got to this particular, when I got to a cell, I got there, I came with food, I put all on the walking food cart. That's there. And that you could take, let's say it was 15 inmates up there. That you take, usually in the morning, there's two trays. I walked up there, I had it all set up. So if the food cart, I don't know who was one, certain people, food cart comes early. Some people came up early, let's say by the time I discovered, by the time I would say, let's say, if I went in there at 6, yell the medical emergency at 6.01. Question, sorry, so the medical emergency was called at 6.33. Thomas 6.33. So I opened, he gets cut off, so I'm saying, Thomas the cell, if it's closer, I open the cell at 6.32. Question, so approximately, probably like a minute. Thomas, yeah, I couldn't have taken her because I yelled to Noel. She yelled, it couldn't have taken more than 30 seconds for her to rush and yell for that emergency.

7:16Question, all right, but you are the one that discovered Epstein and his cell. Thomas, yes I am, question, okay, and who called the medical emergency. Thomas, I would assume Noel did. She yelled it over the radio or whatever. Question, and that's what I was going to say. How was the medical emergency called? Did she call it on the radio? Did she have to call the police? How does it work? Thomas, she could have called on the radio. She could have did either or. She could have called over the radio. She would need assistance. She could have had the radio over the phone. I don't remember. Exactly which one that she did, but it could have been either one. Question, do you know what she said? What did you tell her at the time? Did you say we need assistance? Thomas, yeah, I said, yeah, medical emergency need help need help. Question need help. Thomas, yeah, I don't know my exact words. I'm sure I just said to say we need help. Question, okay, what was the last time you saw Epstein prior to the discovery? Thomas,

8:19prior to discovery, the day that I sat with him. No, no, probably the day prior, the day prior, when I fed him. Question, so the day prior. Thomas, day prior, when I fed him. Question, on August 9th, on your shift sometime between I guess in the morning around like six, six thirty. Thomas, yeah, whatever, it's between six and six thirty. Question, so approximately 24 hours before Thomas, that I actually seen him. Question, that you laid eyes on him. Thomas, probably when I did my count, like when you're talking about we actually fed right when I did my count that night, the night prior, the night when I did morning watch. Question, all right, so you wouldn't have seen him. Did you feed him? Thomas, I'm sure I did the feeding. Question, but you don't actually put eyes on people when you do the feeding. Thomas, yeah, when you do the feeding, so yeah, the feeding prior in that time. Redacted, so I'm just saying, when you looked at him, he gets cut off by Thomas. Oh, looked at him besides,

9:22he grabbed the tray and we spoke, yeah. Question, so probably about 24 hours before Thomas, 24 hours prior to that, yeah, that morning watch on six when I did the feeding. Question, and did you notice anything unusual when you last saw him? Thomas, no. Question, no. Thomas, no. Just took his tray. Question, do you know who was the last person to see Epstein alive? Thomas, no. Question, no. Thomas, not there. Question, do you remember hearing anything from Epstein cell between the times of 12 a.m. and 6.33 a.m. Thomas, no. Question, so you never heard like any kind of banging or rustling or you know coughing. No movement or anything like that. Thomas, uh-huh. Question, all right. So you said when you discovered him, you were outside the door. You saw through the actual window, correct? Thomas, yes. Question, and that's when you noticed something was off? Thomas, I noticed something was off, anything like that. Yes. Question, and where was no

10:24well-standing? Do you remember? Thomas, I don't. I can't recall. Question, what she near you? Was she on the same tier? Do you know if she was like somewhere else? Thomas, I don't. I really can't recall. I don't know. To just be specific, I really don't know where she was standing. If she was standing at the grill or if she was standing at the base, I don't remember. Question, when you were feeding the inmates, is she typically near you? Thomas, no. She doesn't have to be. She could, like I said, it all depends on how that day. Like I said, we were both tired. She could have been setting up the rest of the tiers if I didn't set up the tiers, so until I yelled for that help, that's the minute. And when I yelled for help, she reacted to my yell. Question, when you yelled for help, do you remember ever seeing her? Making sure she knew? Thomas, I really can't recall. Question, you just remember yelling. Thomas, because I'm in the cell, yeah, I'm in the cell at that time.

11:25Question, all right, Thomas, but I know she heard me. Question, you know she heard you. Do you remember like her responding or anything like I'm on it? Thomas, I don't remember. Question, received, copied, anything? Thomas, I don't know. Question, so you just know that you yelled. Thomas, yeah. Question, you don't know where she was. Thomas, I don't know where she was. She was just like at the grill or whatever. Maybe she was at the grill. I don't remember exactly where she was at, but I yelled, and I know she called for help because help came. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.