MCC Corrections Officer Michael Thomas And His OIG Interview Related To Epstein's Death (Part 16 ) (3/3/26)

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1:01Question, okay. Thomas, it seemed like a flash that everybody was inside the room. Question, okay. And when they came in, what did they do? Thomas, once the medical staff, I can't remember his name. Once he came and was doing chest compressions. I know I got a little exhausted and tired and everything like that. He was doing chest compressions. He put the AED on and done that's about all I can remember, that the guy put the AED on and I know he told me to stand back. Question, all right. And did you, did he check for a breath or pulse? Thomas, I really can't remember. Question, do you know when they put the AED on? Did it ever advise for a shock or anything like that? Thomas, I don't remember. Question, you don't recall. Thomas, I don't remember. Question, so when they came in, did you stay in the room? Or at that point, Thomas, yeah, I stayed in the room. Question, okay. Thomas, I actually helped to carry him downstairs. Question, all right.

2:01And was that medical personnel? Thomas, he was with us the whole time. Question, and what was his name? Thomas, I can't really remember. Question, no. Thomas, um, question. But he's the one who took over chest compressions. Thomas, yeah. He took over chest compressions. He was in the room the whole time. Question, all right. And you said you were trained on CPR though? Thomas, yeah. Question. Okay. Do you know when the last time you were trained on CPR? Thomas had to be A-R-T. Question A-R-T. Are you always every year trained on CPR? Thomas, every year at A-R-T, there's training? Question, okay. So like April of 2019, would have been the last time. Thomas, okay. Question, um, all right. So after a medical emergency called, walk me through, that a little bit in detail. What happened? So he came, the medical person comes in, he starts going chest compressions

3:01about how long is he doing that? Thomas, I don't know. I don't know how long he was doing them before he put the AED on. I couldn't tell you how long he was on before he actually put the AED. Because the AED, right on the, you see the one right there and shoe. I know there's one right there on the ninth floor, so I don't know how long ago that he was doing chest compressions before he actually put the AED on. I couldn't tell you. Maybe 30 seconds? I don't know. Question, and at that time, did you believe that he was alive or dead? Thomas, I had so many things going through my mind. I was just hoping everything worked out. Question, okay. So what was going through your mind at the time? Thomas, a whole lot. What's going on? There's a man in front of me. You know what I mean? That's it. Just that it's a man in front of me hanging. I had just seen him hanging. Question, yeah. Had you ever had to respond to something like that before? Thomas, yeah. Question. So you've actually had to take people off

4:02from hanging on things. Thomas, no, I've responded to like, I've maybe seen one other hanging, but they cut him down and like that. But he was actually gotten alive when they were indesernable. But yeah, I've seen a few. Question, okay. And you have to do the same type of thing. Thomas, well, nothing to where they had to put the AED on a person, just some chest compressions. And they were revived. Question, anybody else died from it? Thomas, not that I would recall, no. Question, all right. But now you did say you ripped it down. You didn't cut it down. Thomas, yeah. I just tipped it down, ripped it down. Question in the past they actually cut it down is what you just said. Thomas, I don't know. Question, oh, I thought you just said that people were hanging, they cut it down. Thomas, maybe if they cut it or if they ripped it down, I don't know, whatever. They had it, they're disposed a lot at the time. Question, okay.

5:02Though did you ever have to, he gets cut off by Thomas, cut somebody down? Thomas, no, this was my first time. Question, that was your first time ever being the first responder? Thomas, yes. Question, okay. And do they train you on that? If you come in and find someone hanging, what you're supposed to do? Thomas, I don't remember specific training on like that, but I'm not mistaken, it's life, limb, or something for the Bureau, or something. I know I'm not supposed to just let somebody sit there and hang. Question, no, I'm just saying, like, do they teach you? How do I respond to these things? Thomas, maybe it's something in ART training, I don't know. Question, okay, so you know CPR was done in ART, but you're not sure if it was in response, if he gets cut off by Thomas. It's in a particular response to if you see somebody hanging, you do this, no. Question, right, okay, but is that something that occurs a lot?

6:02People inmates, hanging themselves at MCC? Thomas, not a lot, but you know, sometimes people have, you don't know what someone else's stressors are. They go through at home, or what they're in for. Question, yeah, I guess what I'm asking, is like, does this happen like once a week, once a month, or once a year? Question, Mr. Thomas, I've been there for 14 years. He's been there a lot longer than me. I've seen maybe about seven hangings. Question seven hangings? Thomas, uh-huh. Question, so if you were to estimate about one every two years, Thomas, if you want to break it down to that, question, okay, what did you do after the medical emergency was called? Thomas, after I got him down, he gets cut off, no, I'm sorry, after they responded, what did you do? Thomas, after they responded, I help carry him downstairs. Question, you help them? Thomas, yeah, I help them on the stretcher,

7:02carry him downstairs. Question, now downstairs, he gets cut off by Thomas to the medical floor. It's the second floor. Question, so if you went all the way from the shoe, all the way to the second floor, Thomas, yes, question, okay, and you were with them the whole time. Thomas, yes, I was with them the whole time, and the medical staff was with me, and it was a bunch of other people in the elevator at the time. Question, and what were you doing during that time? Thomas, I was holding the stretcher, question, because you were one of the people. Thomas, yeah, question. So was it just you and someone else? Thomas, yeah, me, and three other people holding the stretcher. I don't know who else was in there holding the stretcher, staff helping bringing him down. Question, so it was an actual stretcher that you had to carry, not something like was moving him? Thomas, yeah, yeah, it's on a stretcher. They have stretchers on the wall, and near like that, you have to carry. You get them to the thing, and then you just go.

8:03Question, did they continue life-saving efforts? Thomas, the whole time, question. So while he was being moved in the stretcher, people were like doing compressions. Thomas, yep, question. Was there anything like on his face trying to give him air or anything like that? Thomas, I don't recall. I don't really remember. Question, okay, do you have pictures of that stuff? We actually have a ton of pictures. For each, do you remember a recall? Was this like? Is that in medical? Thomas, it looks like. I don't know if that's the ninth floor. Is that for no that says right here? That's EMS. Question, that's EMS, all right. So this isn't anything that's in the cell or anything like that, what we're talking about? Thomas, no, that's not. No, no, that's not. Question, this is after all, the medical. Thomas, yeah, that's all medical. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to ChambaCasino.com.

9:04Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group, void work prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 plus sponsored by ChambaCasino. Question, do they know if any pictures were taken while you were doing this medical emergency? Thomas, I doubt it. I'm sure nobody stopped to grab a camera. Question, yeah, no. Just because we have all these. Thomas, and again, I'm not still. I didn't mean nothing by ind discernible. Question, so none of these pictures have anything to do with you. Thomas, no. Question, were you even in the room during that? Thomas, I wasn't in the room for none of that. Question, okay, it doesn't look like we have any pictures of that stuff. So from the shoe, all the way down to the second floor, you stay with them. You were carrying the stretcher and someone was doing compressions. Thomas, yep. Question, and trying to revive them. Thomas, so you said that, responded to a medical personnel. I remember seeing and seeing the medical personnel,

10:04and I'm sure the lieutenant was there. Question, do you remember who the lieutenant was? Thomas, no, but I can remember who was there. Question, does lieutenant redacted? Sound familiar? Does that make or help you recall? Thomas, I mean, maybe, maybe he was there. Question, so we can go back to that duty agent roster. Thomas, it shows that he came on in the morning. Question, yeah. Thomas, but you know the two-hour prior, but he probably was there. Question, so you think it was probably him? And do you remember making any statements after the medical emergency ride? Thomas, I don't remember what I said. I could have been saying a whole lot. I mean, like I said, I just seen a man hanging. Question, sure. Thomas, you know, I don't remember exactly verbatim what I said or anything. Question, do you recall in the well saying we didn't do our rounds at 3am and 5am? Thomas, I don't recall her saying that.

11:04Question, all right. Thomas, I don't remember seeing Noel after this actually, after I carried him downstairs. I don't even remember seeing Noel. Question, do you recall saying to a Noel that we didn't do the rounds? Did you say that it was not Noel's fault and say we didn't do the rounds, we messed up? Thomas, I don't remember saying that. I could have said that. I don't remember saying it. Question, so you don't remember saying it's not our fault. Thomas, no, I don't remember saying anything. Like I said, I don't know what I said exactly from that time. It was three years ago. Question, all right. So my only question was, so that's the statement we have, is that you stated she said we didn't do the rounds. And you said we didn't do the rounds, we messed up. It's not Noel's fault and I was just wondering why you would say that it wasn't her fault. Do you remember? Thomas, I really don't. I really don't. Question, yeah, you were just uttering things.

12:05Thomas, just uttering things like I said. I don't remember saying that. I don't remember not saying that. I don't remember that was said or who said that? I said that. Like I said, I don't remember saying it. Question, okay. So it wasn't like the only reason that I asked is that it sounds like you were taking responsibility for the rounds and the counts. And I just wanting to know if there was a reason why you would have been taking responsibility. Like we said, you're both responsible. Thomas, indesernable question. So I don't know why you take responsibility over her and saying it's not her fault. Thomas, I don't know why I said anything like that if I said it. Question, you don't know. Thomas, like I said, I don't remember. There was a lot going on. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. It is Ryan C. Crest here.

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