MCC Corrections Officer Michael Thomas And His OIG Interview Related To Epstein's Death (Part 19) (3/3/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles in this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with the Michael Thomas interview with the OIG inspectors. Question all right so probably around eightish is when you're thinking Thomas yeah about eightish or so question okay did you handle or touch any of Epstein's files or paperwork Thomas no question during your shift would you ever handle any files Thomas no they're in sleeping no we don't touch any of those Thomas you're talking about any files inside a cell question no the files that you guys have that you maintain for the inmates Thomas no I didn't touch any of those things question I think they're called 292s or something Thomas oh yeah no I didn't touch any of those things question and did you ever touch them during your shift Thomas during a shift no question no Thomas well excuse me let me change that after

1:03you finish feeding you marked that you've had everybody but that's not a paperwork thing I think if I'm not mistaken that's done on the computer question okay so that's not something you do he gets cut off by Thomas yeah continues the question like on August 9th you would have gone in Epstein's file Thomas no question have you ever seen Epstein's file Thomas no question no do you know anybody that did potentially remove files from Epstein's files Thomas no question do you know that anybody that went back into the shoe and removed any like tags or documents or Thomas I was gone I don't know question okay but did you remove anything from the office Thomas I didn't remove anything though question no another question after that can I ask do you know where the file is kept Thomas no question and so you never removed or destroyed any of Epstein's paperwork Thomas no I did not question and you never removed or destroyed any signs related to Epstein Thomas no I did not question that were up in the shoe Thomas no

2:10I did not question did you ever access any BOP database such as BOP where century true view after Epstein was discovered on August 10th Thomas no I haven't been back to that institution no question no and you can only access that from the institution Thomas exactly question did you ever discuss anyone altering any documents Thomas no I did not question removing any documents Thomas no I did not question accessing any BOP database Thomas no I did not question did anyone tell you that day destroyed anything Thomas no they did not question moved anything Thomas no sir question or access to any database Thomas no sir question have you reported for any shifts following August 10th 2019 Thomas no question no were you placed on administrative leave Thomas yes question by whom Thomas whoever is in charge

3:13I can't remember what my letter says it's the word and I guess question so they didn't speak with you directly Thomas no I got a letter in the mail question and that's how they informed you Thomas yeah question okay what did the letter say Thomas on placed on administrative leave pretty much question oh Thomas and the whole bunch of pending something I can't remember the exact lettering wording what they said question okay and is that what you remain on now administrative leave Thomas no I'm on the question indefinite suspension Thomas yeah question did you communicate with Noel after Epstein's body was discovered Thomas nope question so you have not communicated with her since Thomas besides one time we had to sit down and talk after the case was over well after the thing we just had a union meeting that was it question okay Thomas and she did come there that type of thing but we didn't discuss the case question and you didn't discuss the case Thomas no

4:15we did not question okay so who from MCC have you communicated with regarding Epstein's indictment or incident I mean on August 10th Thomas nobody question no one Thomas nobody question I'm assuming aside from your union representative Thomas well I just actually just started to him more often but yeah question okay so he would be the only one Thomas yeah him the union president question okay can 10 and this is something that I just thought of when you just took a break something that I realized I didn't ask can 10 South obtain access to the shoe Thomas yeah question and can you do that without telling anyone allowing them to enter Thomas no you're talking about from the outside no Thomas they have to come through the shoe to get to 10 South there's no other way from anybody from the outside or from any other part of the institution to get to the shoe besides from the

5:15outer door well what about the intake system this is me asking the question you know the HVAC system could someone crawl through there I don't know I have questions though question okay so could have could have anyone from 10 South access the shoe without you are no well being Thomas no question and can you just show who was in 10 South when you were there can you show me on the daily assignment roster so who would have been in 10 South when you guys were there Thomas redacted question and do you remember if redacted visited the shoe at any time Thomas I don't remember question would they have been the closest unit to you though Thomas yeah question okay but you don't recall Thomas I don't recall question okay and for feeding or any counts or anything like that did you guys or would you typically interact Thomas yeah well if they just for the count to help them count question okay would he personally what time would he be on to same shift

6:19as you until 8 a.m Thomas yeah same shift question would he possibly be the person that showed up at 5 30 a.m. in the shoe Thomas no because he was on for the morning watch if he was on there from 12 a.m. to 8 a.m. question all right but you don't recall Thomas somebody coming in at 5 30 question who showed up at 5 30 a.m. Thomas no I don't recall anybody coming in at 5 30 a.m. question okay so 4 a.m. was lieutenant redacted but you don't remember anybody at 5 30 a.m. Thomas no I don't remember anybody at 5 30 a.m. question all right but there is no you were there and there is no way that anyone could have accessed the shoe from inside no well or you allowing them to get in Thomas to allow them to get in yeah question okay and you said Epstein cell was locked when you went in there and when you did find them and ripped the thing off did you notice that his body was either cold or warm question a Thomas I didn't notice question you didn't notice

7:23that Thomas no question is there anything that I'm missing anything you want to add to this Thomas I don't I guess I'm not well versed question please well versed in what Thomas well versed in the policy or anything but no I have nothing to add question okay would you like to question I just have a follow up question Thomas sure question when we showed you that email from redacted you said that you've seen that before right question said I've seen that before or excuse me answer by Thomas I said I've seen that before question not that email specifically but you've seen that type of email sent out from psych before Thomas I said I've seen that type of email that you know I thought I didn't read the top of the email because some of them just say and why am all staff because they say all staff and it sent out to everybody question is it normally sent out to everyone Thomas no sometimes it is sometimes with that specific probably just sent

8:26out to the shoe and staff because my name wasn't on it and I'm not custody so it was probably just sent out to custody question if it was an important discussion it's something that needed immediate attention would they have sent it out Thomas above my pay grade question no would they normally sent it out to all staff Thomas no it doesn't have to question okay now agent redacted just ask you a question about could anyone have come in and out of nine South out of the shoe question 10 South question 10 South but out of the shoe if you were sleeping Thomas aha is it possible someone could have come on to or into the shoe and left without you knowing if you were sleeping Thomas no question because you would have had to let them in Thomas I would have had to let them in question is there any other way that they could have got in without you letting them in Thomas no question could someone else have a key that they could have used Thomas it would have come from control

9:26keys the only other keys are in control question so the only other key is in control Thomas yeah question okay so the count the sheets we spoke about the count sheets and the signature that's no wells Thomas yeah question the initials were no wells not the counts that was on the rounds I mean sorry the round sheets Thomas aha question no well took initials were on it do you recall when no well sign those sheets Thomas no I don't question if the video let's just say you guys were both asleep at one point Thomas aha question for a couple of hours would she have filled it up sign those sheets before or after because she would not have committed those she wouldn't have done those rounds did you ever see or pull those round sheets out and initial them Thomas no I really wasn't paying attention to what she was doing I really don't remember question have you ever worked in the shoe with no well before Thomas it's possible I don't know I don't really remember maybe I have I don't really remember it's possible but like I said I don't know question

10:32okay the reason I ask if you ever worked with no well before and you said the most of the time you do the rounds and the counts Thomas aha question would it have been kind of awkward that both of you guys sat down didn't discuss the fact you're not going to do the counts don't discuss the fact you're going to do the rounds and just sat down slept and you know went on the computer but no one spoke about the facts but someone between the both of you guys you initialed the rounds the count slips and also the round sheets Thomas speaking of I don't believe that we had any conversation I don't really remember any conversation that we had or anything like that there are some things that are just not spoken about it could have been like I said I was exhausted hey listen I did whatever whatever and she did whatever whatever and that was it question doesn't mean Thomas there wasn't no he gets cut off if you worked with her in the past does that mean you guys did the same thing in the past Thomas no question and just new Thomas no it doesn't mean that

11:33absolutely not question how come either of you didn't nudge each other to say hey let's go question or Thomas I can't say what happened what was going on with her I knew what was going on with me I was just as you could see by roster and that's not my work roster that's just my overtime roster that you all pulled up and brought to me it's every day every day and I was just I had things that I had going on at the time question and I think the point being there and again because you're under oath we just want to make sure that we're clear here in fact it was like an unspoken thing you guys did but it seemed to be so natural that you didn't conduct any rounds or any counts so it just seems odd that you wouldn't have happened like that in the past if there was no discussion that we're had mr. Thomas like I said if I did work with her I don't remember if I did or did not I mean it's quite possible I don't remember everybody that I work with in the shoe but it wasn't something that we just spoke about question isn't it kind of awkward that the one night that

12:37both of you guys decided that the rounds are not going to be done the counts are not going to be done that this incident happens Thomas it is question is it possible Thomas cuts them off but it's never happened before so of course it's an awkward thing question is it possible that you guys haven't done any of the rounds or counts on shifts before Thomas no that's not possible I wouldn't put that all to label one night for every night that happens in the shoe absolutely not I wouldn't label that question he admitted it already that he didn't conduct all of the rounds and rounds he's documented what he thinks he's done the majority of them is that correct Thomas I said I'm not perfect question right Thomas and I've done my rounds I've done all my rounds all the time but I'm not a perfect person I may have slipped up here or there sometime but I have done my rounds just one particular night he gets cut off but not I think what you said before you're not perfect you haven't done all your rounds but that mostly Thomas I would say that on schedule that I do my rounds 90

13:42to 95 percent of the time and sometimes I don't do half an hour I do it on the hour question well what about he gets cut off by Thomas you know what I mean but it's still the rounds getting conducted question and what for the counts and now we're talking specifically for the shoe Thomas we're talking about specifically for the shoe I usually get every count done every count done all right folks we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic we're gonna pick up where we left off all the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box all the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box