MCC Corrections Officer Michael Thomas And His OIG Interview Related To Epstein's Death (Part 20 ) (3/3/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to get right back to the Michael Thomas interview with the OIG inspectors and we're getting down to the end here, maybe another episode two episodes or so and we should be at the end. And then after this we're going to dive into other depositions and more unsealed files. All right back to the document question. Okay, so and again if we go back to actually the video and check to see if you're doing the counts is that again and I'm only saying this because I was just to remind you that you're under oath. Thomas, I understand question and this is where that we can bring this back up. Thomas cuts them off. I totally understand if you go back to the video you will see that you'll catch me doing my rounds or you'll catch me doing my counts like I said then that's why I said whereas I'm not perfect like I said 95 maybe the old hold up you know

1:01he didn't do this one an hour went by but he did it at an hour and one minute so then technically by the paperwork that I didn't do it every half an hour correct if I do it every other hour technically by the paperwork I didn't do half an hour round I did an hour round question but you would have had to still certify that you did it every half hour. Thomas, no you don't have to certify that you did it every half hour I don't believe that has to be if you write on the paper that I did it every hour it's just when the round was conducted when I conducted the round. Question so in order for the rounds to be completed you don't have to actually sign it every 30 minutes Thomas it could be I'm not saying that it has to be I'm supposed to be done every 30 minutes but if I didn't do it every 30 minutes and I did one an hour that's when I wrote that time on there question all right so you wouldn't then go back to fill it in that 30 minutes Thomas, no I wouldn't go back to fill it in question like see how they have like so you would leave one blank

2:05if it wasn't conducted Thomas, no you wouldn't leave it blank because somebody would tell you to fill it in question that's what I'm saying Thomas if it was from 12 30 to one and I did the round once so I just put 12 30 to one like you'll see some round sheets it says from 12 to I didn't do it at but between 12 30 and I put 12 45 the round is still conducted question so what are you saying Thomas it probably wasn't done in the half an hour block question so you put Thomas it probably wasn't just done in a half an hour block but it was still conducted question right so around was conducted but if it was covering two if it was conducting an hour block how would you fill in the two would they be identical Thomas as you can no because as you can see right here it's not a specific time because this just says as long as it's between this time so I did it at 12 10 I started here at 12 10 and then I did the round here it lapped over to 12 40

3:12because I got to talking to an inmate or like that it's still round is still conducted then right here you know what I'm saying I go at 12 52 and I did it I did a fast round I did it from 12 52 to 12 59 the round is still conducted but even though the last though your caught up in I understand because it's black and white it's not just done just like that it can be done at any given time as long as the round is conducted it doesn't have to be by policy it's supposed to be in the 30 minute block that's when you're talking policy but he gets cut off with 30 to 40 yeah question 30 to 40 minute block but like I say if I did it at 12 10 and did it at 12 40 then then right here I wanted to just because I wanted to get around done I conducted at 12 52 to 12 59 it's still within the block it's still conducted question well that's conducting around correct but what I thought you said it was like you might not do it for a whole hour Thomas excuse me I apologize that's a 12 10

4:17to 12 40 to 12 42 I'm saying that's an hour because that's pretty much we got 20 minutes 10 minutes before and 10 minutes after then you have an hour but that's the whole hour so if I did it for 12 to 1 then I did it from 1 to 2 it's still conducted it's just not conducted in your 30 minutes man as you say I didn't do the in between but it's still conducted you see what I'm saying question no Thomas okay question because you're talking about 1 to 2 that's a whole hour and then we're not talking about within 30 minutes Thomas but within the 30 minutes that's not doing it every 30 minutes it's like I was supposed to be done but then if I did it 12 to 1 it's still conducted but it's not conducted the correct way around is still conducted but it's not conducted the correct way no question no because Thomas do you understand question no I understand what you're saying because if you're saying you're doing the round within an hour and you have to document it

5:17one round every 30 minutes so you can only then fill out one of these blocks which one are you going to fill out or are you going to do the same thing in an identical place 1209 Thomas yeah you just he gets cut off but at 12 30 will there be identical blocks identical times Thomas well that's up to the person question but what you're saying is that if you did it at 12 25 and ended at 12 35 that covered those 30 minutes Thomas no you still put that in the block question you're saying the start time and the end time he's cut off by Thomas no you still put that in the one block if I did it from 12 25 and at 12 30 I would still put that in one block and then this next one whatever the time is like I said 1241 and then 12 to 1242 because remember this is just a tier this is not the whole round this is just a tier so what you're saying is this is 12 to 1

6:19to 1210 this is just one tier G tier question yep Thomas so then you've got 12 11 to 1210 remember this is just one tier question sure each one of these different tier Thomas each ones a different tier so it's taking a minute a tier question right Thomas so that's one tier and then you've got another 1205 to 12 indisonable that's just one tier I'm doing 1245 so then the whole thing question yeah Thomas so now you have to get from 1205 to 1220 something is when that whole round was done in a 20 minute span do you got me or are you totally lost question I understand what you're saying you did it within the hour Rodriguez right and you're a mark but here's the thing you're signing off or initialing according to the fact that you've done the count within the time period is that right or wrong Thomas yeah she initialed that she did it between 1209 and 1210

7:21question no no let's forget about it just talk about you Thomas okay question when you do your rounds mr. Thomas when I do my rounds well I haven't done around and over two or something years I do my rounds at 12 to 1210 I mean 12 o'clock to 1230 in that block if I did it the incorrect way I did it from 12 it's still I got it in between that time but I still wrote 12 to 1230 so 12 to 1 question okay I can't he gets cut off by Thomas I don't even understand what your question is questions no no I'll come back to this another part when do you think these initials were put on Thomas I don't know when she wrote it I don't know when she did it question when did these round sheets get submitted Thomas at the end of the day question at the end of the day Thomas end of the whole workday not the end of every work period every eight hours question you wouldn't happen to know if she went back and signed these after Thomas I wouldn't know question

8:25initial log Thomas like I said I lost track in the well question it sounds like it may it looks like if this is what you're saying that she did these rounds at 6 10 6 11 what time Thomas they're not in order question what time does breakfast get there Thomas breakfast is no standard time especially not on the weekends you're talking about on the Saturday question the last one she wrote was 6 13 you assume that she did it right before you know you discovered Epstein Thomas could have been question that would be the assumption Thomas that would be the assumption by the binder I don't remember the time the food cart came up question but you didn't witness her actually signing Thomas no I don't know when she put her signature on that question you don't remember like talking like hey I'm going to grab the food cart you take care of the round sheets Thomas no question all right just so that the whole thing that we just talked about isn't convoluted

9:26what we talked about before was that you've done the majority of the counts and rounds but not all of them Thomas I usually just plan on doing my rounds yeah question what's that Thomas I'm usually spot on with doing my rounds question well when we talked about it before you said you weren't always Thomas I'm not perfect question so we're appointing two specific ones Thomas I can tell you he gets cut off where the rounds Thomas again cuts him off that I wasn't perfect question right the rounds and counts that you've conducted you believe that you've conducted the majority of Thomas I've done all my rounds yes question if you falsified some but not a lot when I say falsified you wrote in that you conducted them but they weren't actually conducted Thomas no that's not what I'm saying I wrote what I wrote my rounds question for the count slips we're saying Thomas cuts them off yeah I think he gets cut off that wasn't the first Thomas again cuts him off

10:30you're talking about the counts this is the rounds or the count slips question we're talking the indesernable Thomas I said I'm not I said that I'm not perfect question right Thomas you know what I mean I don't want to sit up here that I'm 100% perfect what I'm saying is that I did my rounds I was usually spot on with my rounds and I'm doing what I'm supposed to do as far as the course of my job question okay so you're saying that these anytime that you worked in the shoe and you marked off people have marked off that you did them every 30 minutes Thomas I don't know what people marked off I only know what I do when I usually I get my stuff done question so when you're in the shoe on all those overtime shifts that we just showed you you're doing rounds every 30 minutes Thomas I can't say that I don't do rounds every 30 minutes question that's the question Thomas okay I can't say that I did rounds every 30 minutes no I can't say that

11:31I did the rounds every 30 minutes question so you're doing them most of the time but some of them are marked off when they weren't actually conducted Thomas maybe maybe question okay and the same thing with the count slips you've done most of the count slips Thomas got some off no I usually get my counts done usually I get my counts done question but not all of them so if we go back and we find some times you didn't do it Thomas you can go back he gets cut off we're probably going to find if we're reviewing video Thomas of the 14 years you have may have me one time where I didn't get one done question but even if we're just talking about like August or July if we go back and review those we're going to find at least a few that weren't conducted and that were written in is that correct Thomas I actually don't know I honestly don't know question because I thought we already covered this and you already said Thomas we did already cover that but I honestly don't know

12:33I honestly don't know question I thought my understanding from the conversation was that yep there's count slips that I've created in the past most of them conducted some of them aren't going you know some of them yes I just sign them and put them the count number but I you know especially between the hours of 12 a.m. and 5 a.m. Thomas that's all my overtime right there it's 12 a.m. he gets cut off right that's what I'm saying Thomas except for one day watch question because there's that so like not every 12 a.m. 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. count was conducted during a shift Thomas I don't know question most of them but not all of them Thomas I don't want to say I want to say all but honestly I don't know I want to say all I want to say all but then I'm not trying to get caught up in a lie and say oh no this one time that I didn't just do that question I'm just trying to reconcile what we talked about like two hours ago Thomas exactly question because two

13:36hours ago Thomas cuts them off I said I wasn't perfect and so maybe I didn't get one done or not I don't know like I said I'm not perfect I didn't get maybe I didn't get one of those but I don't know that's exactly what I said two hours ago question you know my understanding was at you okay so you're saying that you believe actually your count slips are he gets cut off by Thomas I believe my count slips are good I believe they're good question okay so when we go back and review the video we're going to see that you were actually doing them Thomas you're going to see that I get my counts done yes question and same thing for your rounds Thomas you should see me get most of my rounds done question all right because now that you're saying this we have to go back and review those things question I'll tell you that I'm saying that I should have gotten most of my rounds and if I didn't get them all done I'm not trying to lie and say I didn't question can we go outside for a minute mr. Mitchell asks redacted answers absolutely we can take time out

14:40so they get back all right the recorder is back on it's currently 2 18 pm on June 17th 2021 again everyone is present aside from I don't believe the other attorney is on the phone right now and mr. Thomas I remind you again this is voluntary and you are under oath is there anything that you would like to add with regard to the rounds and the counts that you have conducted and certified in the past prior to August 10th 2019 Thomas that I have not completed all my rounds that's it question what about your counts in the count slips question or answer I have not completed all my counts question all right so in the past prior to August 10th 2019 there are times that you were in the shoe that you didn't conduct all of your counts but you did certify that they were conducted is that correct Thomas yes question all right the same thing for the rounds and there are times that you certified on the round sheets that they were conducted but they were or you or the person that you were working with certified they were conducted when they were in fact

15:43not conducted Thomas yes question and I know you were saying like before like estimates but like how often would that happen Thomas I really couldn't tell you question was it a regular occurrence Thomas I really don't know question no but did it happen in the past Thomas yes question but you're sure you're not sure how often Thomas yes question okay would you like to follow up with additional questioning on that question from another redacted investigator during those times when you didn't commit conduct the rounds or the counts was it only with toa to well Nova I mean tova Noel Thomas I don't remember if I worked with her before or not question okay which other CEOs were you working with when this incident happened Thomas I've been there for 14 years I can't remember exactly who I really don't know who I worked with at the time question so this has a span over 14 years Thomas no I don't know I don't know when this happened or not question okay that's all

16:47question okay anything else you want to add Thomas no not at all question any further clarification Thomas no thank you question okay it's fairly again you can and you may Thomas it's no problem I'm okay question is there anything you want to add to this specific instance Thomas no I don't question is there a certain belief that you have as to why Jeffrey Epstein got into the place that he was is there any reason why you think that occurred Thomas I can't speak for any of that no question no okay and you're sure that we want to conclude this question yes question so we don't have to revisit anything later on in the date anything you can think of answer nothing yet another redacted person you're the case agent so I want to make sure question that's it nothing because we covered pretty much everything Thomas no problem I'm here whenever you all need me again question all right let me just do a quick review and make sure that we're good and hopefully this

17:50can be it all right are you confident with all of your answers again knowing that you're under oath there is nothing that you want to clarify before we end this this would be the time to do that Thomas no sir question no additional information Thomas nope question no questions that we're missing that we should ask Thomas nope question all right this is senior agent redacted it's currently 221 on June 17th 2021 and I'm turning off the recorder all right folks there you have it the full deposition of Michael Thomas after he was questioned by the OIG inspectors in the wake of Jeffrey Epstein's death all the information that goes with this his episode can be found in the description box in the description box.