Matt Slick Live

0:00The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Let's look live if you want to give me a call on this lovely Monday, March 2nd, 2026, if you want to give me a call, it's easy. Just dial 8772072276, and we'll get to you. So, yeah, nobody waiting right now. You can also email me at infoatcom.org, infoatcarom.org. In the subject line, read a comment or read a question that reminds me.

1:00So, where is it for my window? There are all these windows open, you know, like where to go. There we go. And I have, let's see, I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Yeah, at least 8 email addresses, right? For varying reasons, and to run the ministry and solidify things and stuff like that. And I went through today and cleaned out about 4,000 emails in just one account, one account, 4,000 emails. And that's just one of them. We had another one with 676, another one with 3,000, 524. So, anyway, if you email me, you can see why we, you know, we get overwhelmed by emails a lot.

2:00And we had a problem, I want to let people know about this, we had a problem with the infoatcom.org email. And we didn't know we had a problem for a while because, you know, email just as email. You get an email in your inbox and you go, you look at it. And people would email us and say, hey, how can we not enter my email? And we wouldn't even get that email. And so, we found out that somebody was, one of our guys was drilling down in some folders. And our emails are going into these weird folders. They're like, what are they doing over there? And it didn't make any sense. And this is a few weeks ago. A few weeks ago, I went in and did some computer tech stuff and got rid of all kinds of filters, all kinds of forwards, all kinds of everything. And it was still happening. But not as much. And I mean, I did one of those tech things where you just go in, you know, just do everything you can and make it work.

3:00And then over the weekend, I went in and I deleted all information in the info at Carmed.org. By, actually, I didn't delete it. I copied it over to another account altogether. It's a way to do that inside of my, I have a system I can do that. And so, nothing's lost. And then the info at Carmed.org now is just bare bones. We don't have any folders, except for what's generic automatic folders. And it may have a Gmail thing, it's a Gmail. And so, if you are emailing us, and in fact, if you want to do this right now, you could do this. You could just say, just email us info at Carmed.org. And you could type something in there like just email test of, you know, for, for, for, let's see, for the radio. Because put the word radio in there and I'll know it's, I'll tell the guy, hey, we just, I just asked him over the air to do this. To make sure it's going in because we can easily look at any other places it might be now.

4:02We want to make sure that everything's working. So, if you want to email us at info at Carmed.org, just, you know, put in radio test, radio email test. What if you want to, that's a big line. I'm telling you this because I know that people who are listening have, have emailed us. And we, we didn't know there were problems. And so now we do. And we've been working on it to fix it. And so, one of the things that I'm going to direct everybody to is we want to raise the, the customer experience to an excellent level. We also are going in to, our phone says to be put a new phone number up on the, the website. Now, we'll be move from one website to the other website style. Anyway, things got ported over and we discovered that some of the stuff we ported over wasn't exactly ported over correctly. It's not anybody's fault. It's just the tech. And so, the email, we don't, I don't know. I tried to track the one that was there and like, why is that here? Anyway, I got a whole brand new, whatever it is.

5:04And I got it all there. So, Laura, this email test, thank you. Very nice. And so, what was I saying now? I just got, just lost my, I just lost my dream of thought. It just would happen when you get close to 70. You know, you're talking to yourself and then somebody will be talking about it. And I can't remember. So, I'll get back on the, I can't remember. It doesn't matter. And so, I'll come back to it. So, also, we've fixed the, oh, I remember now. It's the, the phone number at the bottom of the website on the, if you go to about as the bottom contact and it's there and it works. And now we've got it set up so that you can leave a message and we're going to be going into it every time today, checking everything and we're going to probably get it notification to a set up as someone's phone so that we can make sure we have this. We don't have a staff full-time staff. Otherwise, we'd have full-time staff person taking care of it all the time.

6:04We just don't. We're not a big ministry. And we are, you know, trying to do what we can. And Stacey Turner says email test there. Thank you. Hey, that's right. So, we can do the email test. You know, we're testing it out right now. And so, if you want to send an email to info at carm.org. Info at C-I-R-M dot O-R-G. Put this up in the line. Read something like, you know, test, whatever it is. Put it in there. Search, organize. Yeah. Search, organize. Yeah, test email. That's what it was. So, you can do that. And we'd be appreciative. And also, the email thing is now sort, I mean, the voicemail thing is now sorted out. You can leave voicemails. Now, and we've also got it. The schools are now working properly. We've got that reset everything button that you get your emails done. That's all taken care of. And the last issue that we're going to be working on, or I'll be working on, is the donation thing.

7:09We have a whole new system. And we found out recently that people outside the country can't donate. And they want to donate. They're helping us out. And there's some people I have to call back here inside the states and work with them, because they want to call, want me to call them in. And that's fine. I've got to get my head around it first. So, I'm going to call them tomorrow. And I have to do research today and tomorrow morning to figure out what the issues are. So, I can, when they tell me I can go in and see if I can figure it out. And then we have a new guy who's helping us out. And he's a tech dude. And he likes stuff like that. So, when we get it, get the issues nailed. We're going to give it to him. And then there you go. And we're going to, I think that's it. That'll be everything. And we're trying to set it up so that everything will work fine. One last thing. One last thing. And at the end of the year was a set, or the first, basically by March-ish,

8:09you're supposed to have forms sent out to donors. How much they've donated over a certain amount. Otherwise, you don't need a donate. But you don't need a receipt. It's like $250. You don't need a receipt. You can just donate. And we've got people who've made some donations larger than that. And how do I describe this? The old system, and we're still working through getting a new one. The old system is the most laborious, difficult, purgatorial kind of procedure we've had to go through over the years as things have been modified in order to get things done. My wife was the one who learned the system as things went on. And she passed away in November. So, there was just, let's just say, a lot of things in the air. And that's one of them. And so, here's the thing. If you are out there, and you haven't received your end-of-year tax receipt from Karm.

9:12Just email us at info, at Karm.org. Put your name, and get a receipt. And what we'll do is another project that is going in and finding amounts in a certain system place and then see if I can get the information. And I'll put out a form and email it back to you at email receipt. So, we have to do it this way right now because it is so difficult to work with this old system. One of the new projects we've got is finding a replacement system that is turnkey. And we have to integrate that with the new shop system. So, this is something I could teach myself how to do. Not to mention do radio, not to mention write articles, not to mention set of debate. Not to mention do the financials on an Excel spreadsheet that I develop. I should teach Excel. So, that makes it easy, or I should say, easier, and do all of that stuff.

10:12And then, and then get this. And so, I'm just wanting to come up with an open statement here. And so, we had an issue. I had to cancel a card. And I canceled this one card for the Karm account because my wife had access to that. She's gone, so I had to cancel that. And it canceled everything. The system went in and now I have to go in. I forget a new replacement card coming in a day or two or three or four. I have to go into 32 different places online and get things fixed. So, you know, put in the new information. 32, I got a list. So, to all run the ministry. How about that? So, there you go. That's been busy. So, if you email us and stuff and doesn't come back right away, that's why there's just a lot going on. So, I'll just give you a heads up. Okay. Thanks for being patient with me. Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the air.

11:12Hey, Matt. I don't know if I heard you correctly, but did you say that your wife passed in November? Yeah. November 25th, she passed away. Yes. Oh, man. I'm so sorry to hear that. Yeah. It was the end of a long suffering. So, she had a very rare connective tissue disorder called Louis Deets. And if anybody knows what Mara fans is, it's like Mara fans except mean, meaner. And so, she had 25 surgeries. And open heart surgeries, pacemaker, feed, hands back, surgeries. And it finally, our bodies couldn't take it anymore. And it gave out in November. So, that's what happened. I mean, I'll definitely keep you in my prayers though. Thanks, man. Yeah. I'm able to do fine as long as I don't talk about it too long.

12:12After about three minutes, I started to go, okay, we're done. But yeah, I can talk about it now. I just told somebody else today who didn't know. And you know, that's what happens. That's life, but she's with the Lord. And I have threatened to go to heaven and meet her again. And so, I have to give her a warning ahead of time because I might go back up to heaven. You know, when I go, when I go to heaven, I can meet her again. You know, it's like a warning. You know, there's warning. I'm coming. So, we'll see what happens. All right. Let's see. Yeah. So, I sent you an email earlier today. I don't know if you've got it or not. We're just handed to Info at Carmed at Org. Yeah. So, it's you that I was going to send you a video about a discussion between Sean Griffin and this, once again, it's always saved the host and that I will be calling you today to talk to you about it. But it's okay. I have written down different things throughout the video that was said.

13:15So, I can remember, you know, just in case you didn't even watch it in time. Oh, I won't watch it because I just have too much to do. And I often am doing literally two things at once. So, I'll be talking to you, maybe, and typing an answer to something else. I do that a lot. That's how much I have to work. Okay. So, what do you got? Let's go over it. Hope there's a music break. Hold on, okay. We'll be right back. All right. After the break. All right. Hey, folks, do you want to give me a call? All you're going to do is dial 8772072276. We'll be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 8772072276. Here's Matt Slick.

14:15All right. I would welcome back to the show. We got some people responding to the email test request. And that's Laura. We got Anthony and from Virginia, also Stacey Simon from Norway. And Charlie, hey, thanks a lot. Really appreciate it. All right. Let's get back on with Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome. You're on the year. Yeah. I had a question about Sean Griffin's discussion with the host. They talked to, he had uploaded it to his channel the other day. Okay. So the first thing I wrote down was that Sean Griffin says that divine wrath isn't death on a cross for all people who have sinned. It's the lake of fire. Then the host goes on the axon. Did Jesus get the wrath of God for your sins, Sean, on the cross? Sean says, Christ did not go to the lake of fire.

15:18And I'm a spy right there, and I'll let you handle that. Well, I'm not sure what the question is yet. But sometimes in the related to that kind of an issue, people will say, well, Jesus died in the cross and suffered the wrath. And you shouldn't have any sickness. You shouldn't have any physical death. I don't know if that what he's getting at. No, no, he's getting it. Sean, Sean is basically saying, he doesn't believe in what is it called? He doesn't believe in penal substitutionary atonement. Yeah. He said that he believes that doctrine was invented in the 16th century by John Calvin and Martin Luther. No, no, no, he doesn't believe it. Yeah. Yeah. That's ridiculous to say that the penal substitutionary atonement, PSA is what is known for is the idea that Jesus bore our sin in his body in the cross. The legal aspect, legally went to the cross, legally suffered, and paid a legal debt. And all of that, I can quote you scriptures that say those things. So it's right there.

16:19I mean, I can't. I can teach on it. I do it all the time. So he's wrong there. Okay. Yeah. And so, and so, um, you know, we as Christians, we believe that Jesus bore, you know, he received the wrath of God. When he was on the cross, but Sean doesn't believe that, but Sean believes that the wrath of God would have been Jesus, you know, getting thrown into the lake of fire. He believes that would have been the wrath of God. Well, if that's the case, uh, he's failing to understand that Jesus is God in flesh and his sacrifice and death on the cross is of infinite value. Therefore, being thrown into the lake of fire, he's not needed because the sacrifice of Christ being infinite in its value since he's God in flesh does not necessitate him having to be cast into hell. So he, he doesn't understand what he's doing. Very simply. Okay. Yeah. Uh, let's see. What's his next point?

17:21Yeah. So, so also going back to the penal substitutionary. I wrote that Sean said that penal substitutionary atonement is not an official doctrine by any church, but only a theory and it's not salvific. Well, I don't know if it's, uh, if PSA is official doctrine of a lot of churches, I think they, I would bet that they are, that there are. And, uh, it's not an essential doctrine in the sense that you have to believe in order to be saved, denying it doesn't mean you're not a Christian because you can deny in your ignorance. But I talked to, um, East North of the Doctrine and Catholics, and they denied PSA, sort of Mormons and others. Uh, and I just shown the scriptures and, you know, sin is breaking the law of God first on three four. And Jesus bore our sin in this body in the cross, 1st Peter 2, 24. Well, sin is a legal debt because we know from local, um, excuse me, Matthew 6, 12, our father, who aren't having how to be thy name. Matthew 6, 12, Jesus says, forgive us our debts.

18:22That's the Greek word of Philema. And, uh, then Luke 11, 4, the parallel is forgive us our sins as we forgive those who are indebted to us. So Jesus equates sin with legal debt. He does. And that proof is right there in Matthew 6, 12 and Luke 11, 4. And then Jesus said in the cross in John 1930, he says, uh, it is finished, which is a, which is the Greek word to tell us, die, which has been found on the bottom of ancient tax receipts, signifying a legal debt paid in full. And then there's Colossians 2, 14, which says that he canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees, which was hostile to us. He took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. The Greek word, a single Greek word for the, for the English certificate of debt, the Greek word is carrograph on. And it occurs only once in the Bible right there. And it means a handwritten IOU of legal indebtedness is what it means. And he canceled it at the cross. So when people say PSA is not true, I, I usually tell them, or I often sometimes will say, I tell you what afterwards what, you know, why don't we just, I'll tell you what verses to go in the Bible to cross out.

19:34You can cross them out so that PSA no longer appears in the scriptures. If you want to, well, yeah, these are the verses and I've got a few more we can go into. Yeah. Yeah, they don't know they're doing and to say that it is only arrived at in the 1500s with the reformation is simply not true. I have so many people tell me stuff, your church is only 500 years old. I say, no, it goes back to the apostles. No, it doesn't. I say, yes, it does. And I show them stuff. I go, this is what the apostles thought. This is what this is. And sometimes I'll trick them. And I'll say, well, I believe God makes everything even the wicked for that day of evil. They would never do that. I just quote a proverb 16 for where I'll say, I believe God chooses us for salvation. They would never do that. I just quote his second test on his two three. I do this all to 13. I just do this to them all the time. And they don't like talking to me. They call me names. So yeah.

20:36Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Some people get triggered when you show them that what you believe is not known as scriptures or not. But I wasn't very sick. Oh, yeah. So I have one last question. Sean Sean kept asking the host and Sean in his editing editing of the video. I put at the bottom of the screen that the host kept dodging his question about Christ priesthood. So Sean was trying to ask the host about Christ priesthood. And Sean, him believing that Jesus is up there in heaven right now, slaughtering animals, shedding animal blood. Every time we ask God for forgiveness in quotes first, Sean. I think it's one nine or three nine if I remember correctly. That God, I mean, Jesus cleanses us of unrighteousness. Sean thinks that, you know, he's shedding animal blood every time we ask God for forgiveness.

21:36So he thinks that Jesus's current priestly duties in heaven is doing just that, you know, doing the old covenant, sacrificial thing. So, so my question to you is, how would you respond to Sean if he asked you what is Jesus's current priestly job in heaven if it's not doing the animal sacrifice? I'd say Sean, Sean, Sean, when you're in a debate, you need to use both frontal lobes. And if you don't use both frontal lobes, you'll end up saying things like you're saying right now, you've got to stop that. See, I've actually debated the guy, okay, in June of 23, I debated him on the Trinity. And he committed logical fallacies, guilt by association, genetic fallacy. He said the Holy Spirit was not a person. This guy's a cultist. He does not know what the truth is. He does not understand anything like that, but enter it. So he was nine, I'll give you a break, hold on.

22:39And I'll give you a better response after the break, okay? So hold on buddy. If those of you who ride back after these messages, please stay tuned, we're at that. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. If you want, give me a call. All you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get back to Elijah from Pennsylvania. You're still there? Yep, I'm still there. All right, so to refute this guy's false teaching, that Jesus is offering animal sacrifices in heaven, which is blasphemous.

23:43It's blasphemy. It's a devil. I'm going to say that. And I'll show you why. I'm going to read this in verses, okay? We'll go through them a little bit. So in Hebrews 7.25, for example, therefore he, that's Jesus, is able to save forever those who draw near to God through him, since he always lived to make intercession for them. So Jesus is making intercession. Two verses later in Hebrews 7.27, he does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, because he did this once for all. He doesn't need daily to offer up, like those sacrifices. Does not need to. That's Hebrews 7.27. No need. So right there should refute him. He was 9.11.12, but when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, he entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands. That is to say, not of this creation and not of the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood. He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

24:44So he entered the holy place once, he's already obtained eternal redemption. He was 10.11.12, every high priest stands daily ministering and offering time, after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But he, having offered one sacrifice for sin for all time, sat down at the right hand of God. So 7.27, and Hebrews 10.12 should go together. And then Hebrews 10.18, now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. So this is refuted, Sean Griffin, who might have had dealings with, could not think his way out of a very damp, what paper bag, with a chain around him, if is on a NASA central fuse going outward at a very high velocity, with in bag was greased and, and was a neon sign saying, go this way. Okay.

25:46Yeah. It's like, it's as far as I know, there's, there's only one verse. I think in the entire Bible that he uses to justify that stance. I believe it's Hebrews 2.17. We try to go there now. Yeah, God had to come like us. Yeah. That's not a good verse to go to. So it says, therefore, he had to be made like his brethren in all things, so that he might become a merciful and high priest, and pertaining things to God to make proficiation with the sins of the people. So we can ask questions of Sean, we can say, like all things. Does that mean he was a sinner? Yes. Well, he violates 1 Timothy 222. And 1 Peter 222 actually, sorry. And so he could ask him that, and then say, which proficiation?

26:47I think there's so many ways to defeat this, this, this, this path theology that he has. Seriously, he does not know how to argue very well. Sorry, but that's the case. They're trying to be mean. People are thinking, he's pure mean. Okay. Did we have time for more questions? Or do you have a call or where? Let me check. We had some of the ones coming in. We'll go ahead. What do you got to ask another question? So for you, he also likes to say that the law of Moses is eternal and that we just still keep the law of Moses today. One of the, one of his things you like to say that he thinks is a slam dunk is when he says Abraham kept the law of God and also came and able to get the law of God because they did. Moses, like a sacrifice or something. He said that's no mosaic law and also. I think you said Noah kept the law of God because because like all these different people were priests long for Moses was even born.

27:53So it's like how would you respond to that? I'd say. Shun, shun, shun, shun, shun. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay. So he was 813. When he said a new covenant, he has made the first obsolete. Whoever is coming or becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. The old covenant. It's obsolete. Now when you go to Hebrews 9, 15 through 16, for this reason Jesus is a mediator or is the meteor of a new covenant. So that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions which were committed under the first covenant those who have been called. They received the promise of eternal, eternal inheritance. So the new covenant is instituted with the death of Christ and the old covenant is made obsolete. He was 813. So therefore we don't have to keep a law in order to be saved, the priestly law or anything like that.

28:53And just to throw this out. You can go to and I'll just read it is Romans. Well, do it this way. Do it this way. Romans 6.6, knowing that our old self was crucified with him. I asked people when was our old self crucified with Jesus? I think when you get baptized. No, crucified with him. Crucified. Crucified. Not baptized. Crucified. And it says in verse 8, Romans 6.8, if we have died with Christ. When did Christ die? 2,000 years ago. When was he crucified? 2,000 years ago. Then that's when we died with him. That's when we were crucified with him. People go, wow. And I show him this. Colossians 3. And I see it says in verse 3, Colossians 3.3, for you have died in your life as hidden with Christ and God. People like us say, you died with baptism. No, it's not what it is. We're buried with him in baptism. But we died before then in the fact that Christ, our representative on the cross, represented us.

29:58He brews. I mean, it's going to be Romans 6.6, Romans 6.8, Colossians 3.3. And I can get it in other verses. Why is that important because of this? When you go to Romans 7.4, it says, therefore my brethren, you are also made to die to the law, to the body of Christ. So that you might be joined to another to him was raised with a dead in order that you might bear fruit. So believe it or not, in Christ we've died to the law. We're not obligated to keep the law. And then if you want to really make it fun, you can go to Galatians 3.10. For as many as are the works of the law, are under a curse. What is written, cursed is everyone, who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them. And that's a quote from Deuteronomy 27.26. But wait, there's more. Okay, let me get to this. Now we go to James 2.10, right?

31:01For whoever keeps the whole law, and it stumbles in one point, becomes guilty of all. So, in fact, I'm going to throw this in too, because I know you're probably maybe taking notes. I don't know. We'll see what you'll be able to see. But now we'll go to Galatians 5. Okay. On that Galatians 3 first. It's fun to read Galatians 3. Well, sorry, verse 1. You foolish Galatians. You foolish Galatians. Who has been wished to you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish having begun by the Spirit? Are you now being perfected by the flesh? That means the law. Now, when you go to Galatians 5, starting at verse 2, behold, I call, say that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Now, circumcision was just a representation of the law. One thing in the law. Just one little thing. One little thing. Circumcision. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision.

32:01He's under obligation to keep the whole law. You've been severed. Notice the pun severed circumcision. From Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law, you fall from grace. So these are all kind of verses to show that he does not understand biblical theology. He does not know what he is doing. He is a dangerous false teacher. And he needs to be put in his place as a false teacher. Okay. Yeah. And one last thing before I go. I don't know if you notice about Sean yet or not. But he does not believe that the new covenant is active right now. He believes that the new covenant won't become active until the second coming of Christ. And his establishment of his kingdom on earth. Yeah. That's found in the book called second hysterectomy. That's what that's found. Yeah. Yeah. And next to a third colonoscopy.

33:01So there's several books that are like that that have those kind of teachings in there. And you can check that out. But no, I just read the verses where it says the new covenant is instituted with the death of Christ. So, you know, Sean Griffin is a false teacher, a dangerous teacher. He's a worker in line with the anti-Christ or the spirit of anti-Christ. As he denies it, Trinity, the deity of Christ, salvation, my grace. He's a complete false teacher. And he needs to be called out as such. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you for answering my questions. I might call back tomorrow. Might. All right. I guess that's good enough. I guess. All right, buddy. All right. Have a good one. You too, God bless. All right. Okay. That was good timing. And we'll get right back after the break. We'll talk to Jessica from North Carolina. And if you want to call me the numbers 877-072276, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-2072276.

34:15Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-2072276, or Jessica from North Carolina, are you there? Yes. Hello. Hi. You're on the air. Hi. Hi. I just had a question. From your understanding and your study, who are the 24 elders that are in heaven when John has the vision experience in the book of Revelation? Well, it's a good question. And I don't have a solid answer to you for you. Okay. Because it's a very simple, simple, oriented book revelation. And there are some possibilities here. It could be the results of the 12 tribes of Israel representing the Old Testament in addition to the 12 apostles of the New Testament.

35:15That's what I thought. Okay. Okay. It could be. Okay. And then there's another thing. In 1 Chronicles 24, David organized a critical priesthood into 24 divisions. So we could look into that. Because the issue here is that the term 24 elders only occurs in Revelation. And I think it occurs, I don't know, 5, 6, 7, 8 times, something like that. And so in this way, 24, like that. And if I go and do research on it in the Old Testament, we find it's used there. And the idea is that we want to have the New Testament in Revelation find its mark from the Old Testament. Generally speaking. And so it could be what I said to begin with 12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles. It could be a reference to the priesthood kind of a work. But I think what it probably refers to at the very least is just the believers,

36:17which I think could be represented by 12 tribes, plus 12 apostles, representing all the New Testament, the believers as a whole. And I suspect that's what it is. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I heard that too. So. And I guess this is you, from your understanding, you prescribe to a free tribulation mantra. Post. I'm post-trib. You prescribe to a post-tribulation mantra. Yeah, we're going through it. That's going to be a bit. Okay. Okay. And so what justifications do you give on that? That there's quite a bit actually. There's no preacher rapture verse in the Bible. There's nothing in it that says preacher rapture for one thing or shows that it is. That's one thing. And also if you go to Matthew 24, for example. There's different ways to show this. Easy stuff. But come on, my computer.

37:18I have to do get rid of that and then go into here for here. Come on. What are you doing that? Anyway, when you go to Matthew 24, what's interesting is they ask Jesus. When he says these, the stills are going to be thrown down and things like this. He says, they said, what will be the sign of these things? When will these things happen? What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? They ask Jesus in Matthew 23. They ask three things. And he says, well, here's the answer. Don't be misled. Many are going to come and say, I am the Christ. There'll be wars and rumors of wars. Famins and earthquakes. I'm just scanning through my highlighted area of John. I'm in Matthew 24. They'll deliver you to tribulation. They'll kill you. You'll be hated by all nations. Many will fall away. False prophets will arise. Mislead many. Lawless is will increase. Love will go cold. Hear and doers to the end will be saved. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached. When you see the abomination of disillation, which is spoken of, when you see this is the anti-Christ arrival.

38:19Most people believe that I agree. Unless those days be cut short, no one would be left. Verse 24 of Matthew 24. False Christ. False prophets will arise. And then so will the coming of the set of man be. And then he goes on and he says, Where to go? Oh, where it goes. And immediately in verse 29, immediately after the tribulation of those days. Now what Jesus is saying is after the tribulation, after all of this, says the sun will be dark and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky. The powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the sun of man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn. And they will see the sun of man coming in the clouds of the sky with great power and glory. And he will send forth his angels with great trumpet. And they will gather together his elect from the four winds. Jesus says this gathering is after the tribulation.

39:20He says it clearly. So you don't believe that this gathering are the believers who came out of the tribulation. No. You believe that this gathering is if all of the elect. Yep. Because the Bible says there's only one return of Christ. There's only one. This is critical. In fact, bear with me a little bit. I'll show you something. Okay. And I got some stuff to show you in addition. If you go to Acts 1-9, okay. Acts 1-9. Oh, come on. Why is it doing that? I'm going to get rid of something. It won't let me stop. I'm going to stop that. And here we go. Acts 1-9. And it says, as Jesus was lifted up, he went into the sky. And the clouds were there. And the angels came and prophesied and said, he will return the same way that you've seen him go into heaven.

40:20And there's only one return of Christ. It's with the clouds. And the clouds he's going to come. First Thessalonians. I'm going to show you some other stuff here. This is really interesting. In chapter 4, verse 16, for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout. There's one return of Christ, not two before the tribulation and after. Nothing in Scripture says. He's coming halfway to kind of get some people. It's just not there. And I'm going to show you something else here. That's really interesting. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout. To my understanding, preachers and folks don't think that the rapture is the coming of Christ. They believe that a rapture and then coming of Christ. It was still one coming. Except there's a problem. I'll show you what it is. I'll show you this. So the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout or the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first.

41:24Then we who are alive are mainly cut up together in the clouds of medium. You have no one to warn you about this. But the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night. That's the rapture. The day of the Lord come like a thief in the night. It's the return of Christ. That's the rapture that day of the Lord come like a thief in the night. When you go to second theater 3-10, but the day of the Lord will come like a thief. You talk about the same thing. In which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements that we destroy the intense heat. The new heavens and new earth are made at the day of the Lord come like a thief. Which is the same day as the rapture. That destroys the millennium, the literal 1,000 years. And I'll show you two more things that are interesting. In Matthew 13, Jesus says in the parable of the wheat and the tares. And he says, you would tear up the tares. And he says, no, verse 30 of Matthew 13.

42:24Allow both to go together until the harvest. There's one harvest, not two. Because they want to say there's a harvest before the tribulation and another one after. It never says there's two harvests. Only one. And I'll show you what he says. In the time of the harvest, I'll say the reapers first gather up the tares and bind them and bundles to burn them up. Gather the wheat into my barn. So the first ones gathered are the wicket. It's Matthew 13.30. And then they ask Jesus to explain the parable. He says in verse 37, the one who shows the good seed is the son of man. The field is the world. The tares are the sons of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. In verse 40, just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, social it be at the end of the age. The son of man will send forth his angels and they'll gather out of his kingdom,

43:26all stumbling blocks. The wicket are taken out of the kingdom of God. But the rapture occurs which day of the Lord come like a thief, also the same day as the new heavens and new earth. That kingdom can't be the literal one thousand years. It has to be something else. And then one last thing to throw out. I know a lot of people might be interested in this. In Matthew 24 and Luke 17, it says, two men are in the field. One is taken, one is left. That is taught so frequently that it's the rapture. It has nothing to do with the rapture. It has nothing to do with it. The rapture occurs but is spoken of in verse 24. But this is not about the rapture. I'll quote it to you. What was that verse again? Matthew 24 and Luke 17. Matthew 24, for example. And verse 36. And Luke 17, 27 I believe it is.

44:31And it's a parallel. Words are almost identical in both. But there's a slight change. He says, the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For in those days before the flood, they, now who's the they? This is the question, who is the they? They were eating and drinking, marrying and giving and marriage. Till the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand. Till the flood came and took them all away. Now in the parallel of Luke 11, they did not understand that the flood came and destroyed them all. The ones who were taken are the wicked. It's clear. It's right there. I showed this to people. Two men in the field, one is taken, one is left. The context is the wicked who were taken. And they asked Jesus in Luke 17. They actually asked him, well, where are they taken? And he answers the question.

45:33And he gives the answer. He tells you. He says, where the body is, they're also the vultures will be gathered. Prechabilation rapture, in my opinion, I hope it's true, is built upon inference and wishful thinking. And I think it's not good for the Christian church to adopt it. The reason is because the unfortunate idea that we're going to escape problems, don't worry about our kingdom. Don't worry about the kingdom of Christ right now. Don't worry about everything we'll escape. If you're going to go through the tribulation, if this is going to be the reality of what's going to happen, then you better prep now. You better get ready now. And you better start preaching and teaching the kingdom of God, expand it as much as possible. He's going to come and take out of this kingdom to wicked because we're in the kingdom of Christ now. Because Jesus says,

46:34in order for the strong man to be bound, in order to cast out demons, the strong man Satan has to be bound. And he was doing that in Matthew 12. So Jesus is saying Satan was bound in Matthew 12. The preacher-relation raptor of you, in my opinion, is the doctrine of following the blonde hair of the white Caucasian surfer, Jesus, who's dressed in a woman's night gown, who's asking permission for you to let him in your heart. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll give you a sentence on this. I think I'll teach it. All right. Okay, okay. Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. I know I gave you a lot to think. I'd have hurry because we're out of time. All right. Well, God bless, Jessica. Thank you. All right. Goodbye. Yeah, I know. When I teach this, people don't like it. Their eyebrows raise. One eye goes up. They look at me kind of, you know, side-eyed. But that's not what I've been taught.

47:34But what does Jesus say? Anyway, folks, there you go. Hope it was a good challenge. You thought you wanted to wait and call me tomorrow. Why do you have to wait? I'll call me tomorrow if you want. You can talk about this. And give you some challenges. And let's talk about it. Which is the right view? What should you believe in? Hey, we're right. Well, we have tomorrow. We'll talk to you later. Have a good evening. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.