Mandy Tang: Heal Your Career Wounds

0:00I always appreciate when thoughtful and luxurious design can help change the way a space feels. That's why I love how the 48 inch panoramic display stretches across the entire dashboard in my Lincoln Navigator SUV. It helps make it easy to stay connected while giving the cabin an open, expansive feel. Whether I'm juggling errands or just enjoying some quiet time, this feature brings a fresh perspective and helps elevate even the everyday moments. Visit Lincoln.com to learn more. Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Wow, one of those strange days. You know, you hope that the internet is always working, but when it doesn't work, it can

1:02be a real problem. I have AT&T and you know, it's like they're constantly fixing the lines. This has been going on now for almost two months and they make every excuse in the world. I love the excuse about being fixed by 11 a.m. Never ever is it on time. And so I have been dealing with internet problems now for the last, like I said, two months. And luckily, I can use hotspots or Xfinity now for 10 bucks a month. But that kind of strange way to start to show, sorry about that. It's been a challenge. I have not been able to use my desktop, which is what I use for interviews. I've been using my, thank God for Apple, Apple laptop, which I've been using for writing

2:02as well. And so anyhow, I'm not going to spend the whole introduction of this podcast. I think about internet problems, but you know, I was thinking about Robert Schach's solar flare discussion and what would happen if the whole world was blasted by a solar flare and it melted our relay stations. So we didn't have internet. We didn't have any form of electronics. It'd be devastating. It'd be completely devastating. I don't know what we would do. I mean, I don't know if we're prepared for that as well as questions. It's funny because when we had Randall Carlson on, we were discussing what happens if we have a turn meter, meteor stream impact like we had it into the younger dry. What what happened? We're pretty much screwed. We're pretty much in serious trouble.

3:05And I don't know if anyone's preparing for this stuff. We're just going along and living our lives, but is there preventatives that are in place? You know, you got to wonder maybe they are in place, but we're just not told about it because people don't they don't want to freak people out. And the same manner that the Brookings Institute created the document in 1960 about first contact, the fear, the great fear that would overcome. You know, I am at a place now where I think a lot of you are too, is like if they show if the ETS make themselves known, are you going to be upset? Are you going to lose sleep? Are you not going to be able to eat your food? Are you not going to be able to have a drink? I for one, welcome it. Now, that hasn't happened yet. And there's a great deal of talk that is going to be demonstrating to our religious centers

4:09and our institutions, but I'm thinking we're smarter, we're tougher than that. Now if you are a fundamentalist, you are a born again and you are a religious person. And I have friends that are very religious. If you're told that there isn't a God, that you are God, that might freak people out. And a lot of people go to church because they need to be told what's going on. How to interpret things. I don't know how I feel about that. I'm not a religious person. As you know, if you're listening to earth, HS, or destiny for years, you know that I'm not a religious person. I'm a spiritual person. But the question is, if there is first contact, do the churches flip out? And I think Brookings said they do. And so that's another reason not to tell people that there's going to be alien contact.

5:13Getting back to my first point, if the internet is melted and we don't have internet, I think we're in serious trouble. But I can't, you know, I keep abreast of the news pretty regularly. I can't think of any studies on this. I've got to get my books done before things happen before it. We are at the end of Caliuga and we're entering Dwarpa, Yuga. So I think politically we're at the worst part of life here in the United States. I think there's a lot of strain in Western culture. I think we still have it pretty well. You know, pretty good. We're not dealing with any pandemics anymore. There's not runaway disease. We're all working to stay afloat going to the movies.

6:16By the way, I mentioned that I went to the Odyssey. And I got to tell you, if you haven't seen the Odyssey, it was shot on 70 millimeter. If you ever see the 70 millimeter camera, there are huge, they weigh like 400, 500 pounds, but the quality of the image. I think I talked about this. Now there's another version of the Odyssey with the Odysseus as played by Ralph Fine, who's brilliant, brilliant. And in the American version, the Odyssey, Odysseus is played by Matt Damon, who is kind of a kid, even with his great beard that he grew up. He doesn't cover it quite as well. He kind of be because of the emotion and the intrigue and the personalities involved, you've got to be really a stage actor to pull off the Odyssey.

7:18Anyhow, that's the last time I went to the movies. That was recently. Aaron was telling me I had to go see Spider-Man, but I haven't had a good excuse to go to the movies in years. There really hasn't been any good movies. In fact, I don't know any other movies that I don't want to go see. The big screen is beautiful for certain movies, but not great for others. Getting back to the beginning of this thing. I haven't had an internet, I haven't had functional internet now for 60 days. It's going off and on, off and on. I'm pulling strings to post this version. I think it's going to come across OK. Well, someone please send a letter to AT&T and say, Cliff doesn't need this instability. He needs to have stability. By the way, again, and I'm going to talk about this on Saturday when we have our Earth

8:19Agency program. AI is becoming much, much, much more powerful, continuously evolved. For someone who's writing a book about ancient history, and this book is called the one I'm working on is called the Maya Contaversy. The available access to early papers, to early research archaeologically is wonderful. I find bits and pieces of excavations that I've never known before. And even those in the community, I could have Ed Barnhart on here, Richard Hanson or one of the many others, and mention these people, and they probably wouldn't know. Like Robert or Carl Rupert, who excavated the observatory at Chichiniza. These are very minor archaeologists, but what he discovered is fabulous. By the way, get yourself over to Earth Angels on Facebook or Cliff's down in our Facebook.

9:23Look at the reconstruction by AI. It's fabulous. I'm going to be using those graphics in the book and many, many other. Now I am going to say this, and I'm going to be blunt about it. It took me five versions for AI to get it right. So they would put it out, I say follow Rupert's design, follow his template, follow his reconstruction sketches, and they would put out a rendering that I'd pass it through and say, okay, now is this correct? And they'd say, well, not quite. It's about 60% right. I'm like, well, why did you, you can't say this because it's not a person. It's a machine. It's like, what did you do it right the first time? So anyhow, I put it through. I said follow Rupert's design, templates, and sketches, reproduce the observatory, render the observatory.

10:24Number two, and then I checked it again. No, it's about 70% right. You missed the window here. You missed the staircase. They added some, I'm like, it took me five times. So you got to be really careful with really specific data. In fact, the other thing, and you probably heard about this, is when AI hallucinates, and that's scary. It'll start writing stuff that you didn't expect or adding details. So you got to pass it through a number of different scans. This is for technical. This is for writing. This is for really important data. Even though this is all kind of an issue, it's worth it because I have never had such amazing access to archaeological records than when I'm working with AI. It is literally amazing, and it can find the most minute details. I'm writing a chapter on, and this is a tough one for me, on the blood rituals of

11:28the Maya. I thought that it was something that was during the classic period, and actually the pre-classic Maya did a lot of sacrificial ceremonies. And I was sad to hear that, but that's a controversy, and that's why it's added into the book. And that's important. It's extremely important to talk about that. That's a controversy people want to know about. So one of the many chapters that was supported by archaeological records. So I love it. All right, today's program is on the work environment, and we're going to talk about the strains and the stresses that we take home with us, and when it's time to say enough is enough and to move on. So today's program is, heal your career wounds, navigating the trauma of today's workplace, and my guest is, Mandy Tang.

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13:37an important safety information. Wogovy clinical study information and restrictions visit hymns.com. We got a fun one this week and it's all about work and we don't talk enough about the job, the strains, the anticipation, the hopes and the wishes of work and the strain that goes along with that. I started my own business probably about 10 years ago but I was still consulting as a marketing

14:43professional and had the strains and the stresses of that. Also, when you go out on your own, that's a whole different animal as well and there's strains related to that as well. The book we're talking about today is called Heal Your Career Wounds Navigating the traumas of today's workplace. Right there, the title, trauma. That comes up a lot. My guest is Mandy Tang. She is a career coach, holistic healer and helps clients from big tech, startups, nonprofit sector and also she is an MBA from Columbia and a certified trauma informed yoga instructor. I'm going to have to ask her about that and she has completed a three year shamanic practitioner program. She's perfect for our program today and so we want to welcome. Mandy, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.

15:44Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me. The big question I always ask when someone writes a book like this is you must have had some of your own trials and tribulations as an individual and thought to yourself, wow, when is this is end? This is end when I retire. How do I navigate this? What was, I mean, let's talk about the book. What was the inspiration behind this book? Yeah. Well, I like to say that I have been really lucky in the lot of areas of my life. You know, I met my husband when I was 22. I've had the same best friends since high school. So, you know, my family is happy and healthy and the one place that I felt like I was really unlucky was, was work. Like I just felt like I either was, you know, in the corporate world and struggling and bored and not really sure if that was for me and never really felt like I had the guidance

16:44that I wanted to have. And then when I went into the startup world, you know, really struggled with kind of that hustle, hustle culture and feeling like, oh, we have to push, push, push and, you know, get a lot of traction and get the right investors. And so there's just all this pressure all the time and I just felt like I was always striving to figure it out. And so, you know, definitely had my own experiences around burnout and, you know, perfectionism and just like trying to find all this sense of meaning and identity through my career. And it really wasn't until I went out on my own and started my own business. Because when I say startup, I still think that there is like a corporate version of startups, you know, where you're kind of in like the startup scene and hanging out with other startups. But for me, when I started my solo practitioner business as like a coach and then started

17:45my YouTube channel and all of that, like, I think that's when I really started to unlearn some of the things and start to heal and start to be like, oh, I don't have to fit into this box. And maybe all I was uncomfortable with like the more traditional corporate path because I was just meant to be an entrepreneur and I was just meant to make my own path. So after having been through all of that and then started coaching people, you know, one on one and then small groups around, hey, you're not crazy. Like if you feel kind of traumatized from your job, like that's actually more normal than you would think. I was really inspired to write this book because I just knew how lonely that experience could be. I wanted the guide, I wanted the book to be kind of like a almost like an adventurer's guide, right? Like, yeah, here's how you get through it.

18:45And here's how you instead of placing all of your hopes and dreams on some corporation, like bet on yourself and, you know, learn to understand what your real strengths and talents are and then, you know, take chances and try different things. So that's really a thesis of the book. Yeah, it's great. No, we should mention that you have a very, very popular YouTube channel that is just rocking it. And we were talking about that before we started and that reaches a whole different audience. But you have a few, some of your programs are like 400,000 viewers or something. It was huge. Yeah, I think my, they call it in YouTube world, they call it like outliers. So like you have these like big outlier videos. And yeah, some of those, some of those videos really popped off. So I'm very grateful for that. It's always the ones where you're just kind of like talking. We're getting it.

19:46Yeah. You're just kind of like, you know, not doing it for the views, but just doing it because you're just speaking honestly. And then I think that lack of self-consciousness translates into, oh, like this person has actually not tried to sell me anything. You know, they're just, they're just being themselves and then that, you know, somehow leads to virality. I don't know how it works. But talk a little bit about trauma. This is something that you present in the book. And as a therapist, we are, there are certain situations in work that do traumatize us. And it's, it's effective affecting us to the point where it's interfering with our normal day to day. So talk a little bit about situations and you don't have to be specific, but you know, having a trauma, that's a problem, isn't it? Yeah. And I think like, so I was a sociology major in college. And so I think a lot about like structures and especially power structures.

20:51So I think when you have a traditional workplace, right, and you have a hierarchy, you have a boss, you have kind of these unspoken rules about like, oh, these are the types of people who succeed and these are the kind of like, but kissing behaviors that you have to do to like get ahead, right? And it's a game, right? It's a game. And so I think especially when you're in kind of a pressure cooker, you, you, you're sort of friendly, but also competing with people around you, right? There's only a limited number of promotions available. And your livelihood and in the US, your healthcare is talking to your job. Like, you know, when you think about how these power structures play together, any, any normal human dynamic that would happen at work, right? Like, oh, I don't feel like I'm being acknowledged for my work or, you know, oh, I don't, like they told me the job was going to be one thing, but then it's actually another.

21:53I think that kind of stuff can actually be really painful because the stakes are pretty high, right? Everybody's just like, oh, it's just a nine to five. It's just a nine to five, but it's like, but you really do spend a lot of time there. And there's a lot of things in your life that are quite tied to the success of you and that job, you know, and especially in this economy now, it's not like it's really that easy to get another job. So I think for those reasons and also, you know, especially because there's a hierarchy, then people are less likely to want to talk about it. You know, it's not like you can openly share like, oh, with your colleagues, for example, like, hey, these are some really hard things I'm going through. You kind of have to be like professional. So I think like the masking element of it, the power dynamics of it, the fact that the stakes are so high. I mean, that is just an environment that is ripe for causing emotional injury, right?

22:55Yeah. And then not really having a space to talk about it because you get punished. It's a way you do go to your boss and be like, I'm really unhappy with this. They're going to be like, okay, great. You're fired. Like there's no. The other thing is people don't have people don't know to go see a therapist, you know, don't have a therapist because they don't have a, you know, a thought about it. They don't have a history. They don't understand that you can go to a therapist just to talk about stuff. But a lot of people are like, that's a failure. If I go to a therapist, I'm a failure. So there's a lot of stress with that too. I'm here in San Francisco and so we're, I'm in the heart of high tech. I used to work for PayPal many years ago. And it was such a stressful job. I want you to talk a little bit about putting up with bad environments because I had to put up with like the worst people that I would never associate as friends, but I had to work with them. I had to manage marketing. And I'm just curious because that to me, because I had to put it with it for like two

24:00years, I came home so stressed out and I was traumatized because I was like, I hate that guy. I can't stand her. I can't stand her. He wants to go out for a beer, but I had to do that because I had to socialize because I had to be a frizz with it. And so I put up with so much crap. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought like I was traumatized. Well, okay. So my question for you would be like, and this is sort of rhetorical, but also I am curious what your answer is. Like, why do we put up with the crap? You're asking, well, it's a paycheck. I want to, I want to move up in the ladder. So I have to kiss a certain. He was above me by, he was a director. I was a manager. And so I was like, I want to be a director. Yeah. I can't look at it at the dollar signs. And I swear to God, I developed acid reflex. Yeah, the physical symptoms. No, it's not. It's like not. It's like, that's like one of the first things I do when I talk to people, I'll be like,

25:02all right. So what's happening physically? Because I know you have some gut issues. Like I just know that you've got some cough that won't go away. So yeah, the physical issues are a tell. Like listen, what you're talking about here is like, we do it for the prestige of it. We do it for the achievement of it because we've been trained to achieve. And you were trained to want to be a director because that would mean that you're winning and we want to win, right? So that's the impulse. But then what you're chafing against, right? The reason why you come home when you're like, I hate that guy. The reason that you do that is because it's values, right? It's just it's a misalignment of values. So they believe one thing, which is probably, let's conquer the world and be power-hungry at all costs. And you believe another, which is, well, yes, let's conquer the world, but also can we do it ethically and can we, you know, mark it in a way that's like more interesting and deep and humane, right? And so there's tension there because, you know, I think, I think, I think, I think,

26:06it's like a value thing, like a conscience thing where, you know, now you're having to make decisions or run plays that you don't necessarily believe any to work with people that have different values, probably if you're in SF in the tech industry, the value is work as number one and it's more important than anything, you know? Totally. Completely. Like, money, power, you know, look at the power players in Silicon Valley, right? What are the values that they're espousing, right? So it's like a fish rot from the head. So like, that's what is happening at the most senior levels and that's all trickling down. Yeah. And so if you are a wholehearted, engaged with the world human, it's going to be tough. It's just going to be tough and a certain amount of that is expected. I think in anything, like even when I was, like, it's like even when I was writing the book, you know, that's like, that was my dream was like, oh, I'm going to write this book and it's going to be, you know, I'm going to be an author and like, I don't have to work

27:07and corporate anymore and this is amazing. And it's like every process has its own difficulties. You know, it's never like a perfect thing. But it's like at least that was in alignment with what I wanted to do, which was to spread healing, right? In the world. And so I think if you're in a, I mean, not to get too personal, but I'm curious when, why did you eventually leave and did you go to do something? Did you go become a therapist? Like, what was that? I developed clients that we are, like, I had friendships with, actually became friends. And they, and I went off and became an independent contractor. Okay. And I had enough that I could, my life style was not crazy. I was driving expensive cars and stuff like that. Yeah. So I could sustain myself with three clients. And so I had these clients that were great and I just built on them. And eventually, and I started podcasting in its infancy, like 20 podcast, you really got

28:12going on a 20, oh nine, 2010. Yeah. I launched my podcast. I had, this is so weird. I had clients that said, I want to podcast. So I learned by launching their podcast and cutting my teeth and. Oh, smart. Yeah. And so in 2014, I launched Earth Hs, which is the parent to destiny, which we're on right now. And that became a career. And so, you know, I became an independent contractor and an independent person, which was still relieving because I discovered that I have certain values and feelings about working with other. That were that were a challenge. And if somebody was an integral, I could tell in a minute, you know, and there's a lot of phony behavior with these big because in a, I mean, PayPal had like 20,000 people on this one campus in San Jose, 20,000. It's like a small city.

29:13And each building had their own cafeteria, a restroom. And it was like, it was so huge. And it's really hard to develop lasting friendships because you're just kind of a number. And so they, it was just really just tasteful for me. Yeah. Not to bring, sorry to bring it back. That's good. Oh, I'm good. Give me your phone number. No, that's another question for you is, you know, bringing back trauma. Yeah. And you leave, I mean, there must be warning signs that you need. Well, this is the thing, right? So I'm sure after you left and as you were starting, okay, I'll speak more generally, like let's say you do leave a place and then you start something new, whether it's you go to PayPal number two, right? Or are you, or are you start or are you becoming independent contractor?

30:14Yeah. There's a recovery period, right? So I'm sure when you started your contracting business, there may have been moments where you may be flinched or you still had a little like jumpiness around like, like, you know, a little, it's hard to trust again. It's hard to open up again. It's hard to build back your confidence, I think, after something like that, not to, not to project too much into your experience, but that's what I see, right? So it can be hard to kind of start again. And I think the biggest thing I hear a lot is people saying, I just don't feel as confident as I was, like, I feel like I am a little broken or that experience really tainted me. And I used to be so joyful or I used to be so optimistic. And now I just feel like a cloud of negativity, like I just feel broken, like what's wrong

31:15with me, you know, and it is just, it's that there needs to be a healing period where you sort of recover and, you know, the things you were exposed to the belief systems, the people who may have not treated you so well, like, it just takes time to actually process that. So one, like, one mistake I actually made before is, like, running away from one situation and then jumping into another situation and expecting it to be different because I hadn't, I actually just like traded one circumstance for it. So it's like leaving PayPal and then going to Tesla and thinking it's going to be different. It's like, it's probably not going to be different, you know? Actually, yeah, I actually did work for a smaller startup and it was crazy. So we're on that, how do you define a career wound? What's a, what, what would be wounding to you? Yeah. I can just tell you one real quick thing that was really strange for me. When I left PayPal after two years, I was under so much strain that I stepped down into

32:22a much more comfortable, more holistic environment. Okay. I was a different person. I dumped my girlfriend that I had been with at PayPal and I just was stressed out. I was, I didn't like myself. I was a different person. It was so weird. Yeah. No, it's, this is like environment matters so much. And I think we get into these situations because we want to achieve and, you know, wow, I get to say I worked at PayPal and that's like really hard. You know, it's actually really hard to get that job. And so I think that sort of competitiveness in us drives us to make these decisions. And then we get there and it's like miserable and it does, it does affect your, it affects your, how you talk to yourself. It kind of seeps in, right? The osmosis of the negativity kind of seeps into your bones and into your skin.

33:26And then all of a sudden you're just this like, you know, I talk to people all the time and they describe it as like, I'm just like a, I'm like a shell of a person. I'm just like a shell of a human because it's like that life has been sucked out of you, you know? Yeah. So it's just, I think my main idea here is like, it's way more normal than you think. Because you think to yourself like, wow, how did I make such a bad decision? Like, shouldn't I have known better? How did I let it get this bad? How did I let it suck the life out of me, you know? And I just want to say like, it happens to most people. Most people have that experience and you know, it's the recognition of like, okay, this has happened. I'm not a bad person. I'm not a broken person. This is just something that happened. I can recover. I can heal from this. So to answer your question of like, what is a career would I just define it as any kind

34:27of emotional injury that happens at work that you don't, that you're not recovered from? And so you're kind of walking wounded. You're kind of walking with a limp, right? Which is so weird because you think your work environment should be safe and nurturing and it's not a lot of ties because it's competitive. Yeah, it's not safe because in the recruiting process and interviewing process, that's not what they're prioritizing for. They're not like, okay, PayPal lets hire the most safe people, the most nurturing people. They're like, let's hire the most cutthroat bad asses so we can crush the competition. Yeah. You know, and any company is going to, any big company is going to think like that. They're going to think, how do we get the smartest, most ruthless people so that we can win?

35:32Yeah. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we'll return shortly with my guest today, Mandy Tang discussing her new book, Heal Your Career Wounds. We'll be right back with you. Hey guys, it's Joe.

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39:35I want to mention that your book is filled with wonderful exercises and self viewing. And I want you to talk about the very first one which is called symptom scanning. Yeah. And you develop this and exercise. It's very, very cool. Talk about that because right off the top, you're like, okay, you got a problem. We're going to find out what it is. It's like therapeutic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In another life, I would have become a therapist. Like, in another life, I would. You are a therapist. This is a total therapy book. Yeah. You're talking about. You are. Yeah. Maybe one day you'll go back to school and get your PhD, but for now, you're good. Oh my gosh. What if I, I've, I've, no more student loan debt. I know. I know. I know. That's hurt. That's painful right there. I already got one master's. I'm good. Okay. You know PhD for you. Ha, ha, ha. Although I know. No. No. You do talk about your, your, your being raised by Chinese parents that I'm thinking that's

40:37sometimes as an automatic forced. Oh, they love me to get it. Oh, they love nothing more. I get your empty while you're at it. Get a PhD. Oh, they be overjoyed. Did you know Matthew is getting her PhD? No. Okay. So the exercise, the symptoms getting. Okay. This is, this originated because one of the biggest things that happen when people have a career wound is they get numb, right? So like they, there, there's like a sense of like it's so bad and it's so bad over such a long period of time that they disconnect and then they don't, they start gaslighting themselves to be like, it's not that bad, right? Or, or like to actually feel what's happening would hurt too much. And so there's a lot of disconnection that happens. And so what I noticed is when I would talk to clients is it would just be kind of extremes,

41:39right? On one hand, they would, they would talk a lot about like almost like they're at war. Like, okay, I go in, I keep my head down, I'm in this battle, I gotta just make it to the end of the day. You literally using like, like war language to describe, you know, their day to day. And then on the other, they would also, they would like swing to the other side of the spectrum and they would be like, but it's not that bad, I'm fine. Everything's gonna be fine, you know, sort of like self soothing. And so I realized that like they're just not even connected to like actually what's happening and also they probably haven't. Their spouse is probably sick of hearing them talk about it. So they, they, they, they, they've stopped trying to like name stuff. They're just like, ah, it hurts. I don't want to think about it. Okay. So that's what the symptoms scanning is. It's like a lot of people, they're so in their heads about it. Like, is it bad? I don't know. And then they like overanalyze it and then they just spin out. They don't get anywhere. So what I do is I just say like, okay, but let's talk about physical symptoms.

42:42Like you're migraine or like your persistent cough or your acid reflux, right? Because those are actually facts that you cannot deny. So it's to me, it's like evidence like, because the number one question I get is like, do you think it's that bad? How bad do you think it is? And then I'll like look at them with, you know, basically like a broken leg and I'll be like, it's pretty bad. Like, so I think they're in the hospital. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, their, their arm is split in half and they're like, how bad is it? I'm like, it's pretty bad. So I think that's what the point of the symptom scanning is is, is I just say like, okay, we're not going to talk about your perceptions or how you feel about the situation. Just tell me the facts of like what is happening in your, in your chest, what's happening in your breathing? What's how is your sleep? You know, those are kind of indisputable.

43:42So that when they, when they inevitably do swing to the other side and they're like, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's fine. Thank you for the session, but goodbye. I'll never talk to you again. I'm like, here's evidence. Like this is, this is really really happening, you know? Yeah. So because the other thing is like, people's pain tolerance is like so high, right? Like that's why you're a high achiever. So that's a good point. You're good at pain. Yeah. And so let's like actually show you it's quite painful. It's pretty broken. Give us some examples of symptoms that are red flags or perhaps are becoming red flags. So to me, I see it a lot in the throat and chest because that's like a communication channel. Yeah. So if you're having like literally people who will be like, they'll lose their voice. I mean, it's kind of, it's almost funny. It's so literal. It's like, I've lost my voice at work and in life.

44:44You know, I think so anytime that you have a load, like if your body is in stress mode, medium, all the time, right? The functions are just going to start breaking down. So that's where you see things like autoimmune stuff. It's like allergic reaction type stuff. Like they're literally allergic to their job. You know, breathing issues, coughing issues. Big one is sleep. I mean, no one sleeps well when they're stressed. So there's a lot of like insomnia. There's a lot of like, I wake up in the middle of the night. I can't get back to sleep. A big one, a big, this is not a red flag, but it's like, okay, the machine is a little bit broken. You stop exercising. Oh, yeah. Big. That's like the first thing to go. You know, they'll be like, I've been meaning to go to the gym, but I haven't gone.

45:44Like, I'm really into my yoga, but I haven't, I stopped going to yoga. Like, that's always, I'm always like, so how's your exercise? How's that going? And they'll be like, who have been meaning to, you know, so the self care just stops, right? It's just, it's gone. When do you, when does it become a problem where you need to go see professional help? And I want to kind of address depression or high anxiety, because if you're at a job and you're depressed, that's going to be, that's going to affect your work. Yeah. I think the minute that you start to think to yourself, maybe I should go talk to someone is you should go talk to someone. I have, you know, I'm a big proponent of getting help and a lot of people just don't want to talk about it because they have been taught that it's not a big deal and I can handle it because I'm a high-ageer and I can handle pain.

46:48So I think the sooner the better. So I think the other, and this goes hand in hand with the depression, right? Is the isolation. So if they start to say things like, I was supposed to go to a birthday party, but I canceled because I just had no energy, you know, when you start to withdraw from the world and you don't want to do things that are actually good for you socially, that's another big big thing. I mean, yeah, like in short, a career one is like, you're just like depressed because of your job. That's like what's happening. Yeah, I can see that. What are some of the other signs that you could be anxious or depressed at your job? Rumination, racing thoughts. I think certain jobs attract people. Certain personality types make you really good at your job. So if you're like naturally anxious and you're someone who's just always wanting to check

47:51things and always wanting to control things, you're probably going to be like a great project manager. You know, yeah. And so it also, it also is in a small degree, exploiting your natural weaknesses that are strengths for the job. So if you have a lot of anxiety, but you're also just like working all the time, you know, when you're responding to emails at 9 p.m. 10 p.m. 11 p.m., then like that job is not helping you. Your anxieties are actually feeding or making you good at the job, but they're hurting you. Yeah. If that makes sense. That's a good point too is when do you turn it off? What are your recommendations for? Leave the job alone, even if you're like a project manager, which is very, very demanding. Yeah. When do you turn it off when you come home? You know, because I remember I brought it home all the time, especially a big multi-million

48:54dollar project. I'd be like, okay, I, you know, I'm ready to go to bed. Someone's texting me. He can't leave it alone, but that's also very anxious producing. You have to be the one too. And this is like about careers, but I also think this is in like even as a business owner now, I follow this advice. Like you have to be the one to set the boundary because the world and the corporations and everyone are always going to want things from you. And if you do have that people pleasing background where you get a little dopamine hit when you respond to that email because like you are the best and you know all the information and here you go, over time you will burn out, right? Because over time you will start to resent that because why? Because now you're up at 11 p.m. thinking about this project.

49:56You're not getting asleep, so you're getting more tired. And then the cycle just continues and now you're just tired and burned out. And then you, and then the goal, the goal is sustainability. Like the goal is to be able to keep doing what you love, right? As a podcaster, as a business owner, you know that you have to pace yourself because if you just record 100 episodes in a row, like you're going to, it's not going to work, right? So you have to know, like, and this is something I now know, like as an entrepreneur, but something I tell myself is the prize is to be able to keep going. So like the prize for me is to be able to keep writing and is to be able to keep making YouTube videos. So what do I need to do to protect myself and my mental health and my energy and my, you know, all my focus and everything so that I can keep playing the game?

50:58You know, so if you want to have a really long career and something and you want to succeed, you cannot burn yourself out because you'll just be so angry that you're like rage quit. And then it's not going to work anyway, you know? So that's the perspective that I try to share is like, it's actually a very, like caring thing for yourself to put boundaries and to say, and to like not respond to emails and to not say yes to every project and to not say yes to every panel because the goal is not to make everyone happy. The goal is to keep doing is to keep sharing your gifts in the way that you were meant to. You know, and a real big problem right now, not even in necessarily just work environment, but environment and everyday situations is we're stuck to our phones. They are so addicting. What is your suggestion for turning that whole addiction off because that's an addiction?

52:00Well, you have to replace it with something, right? So you have, and this is like hobbies, you know, so they're okay, I'll share two things. One is I have a no phone in the morning rule. So as a business owner now, I am very focused on like, okay, I know what I need to do, and the most important thing for me to do in the morning is to work on my YouTube channel. Okay, like that is the engine of growth. That is like the thing that's going to drive awareness. Like it's the most important task that I have. I found over just experience of doing it. I found that if I wake up and I pick up my phone and I start reading emails and I start looking at DMs and I start like, that decreases my chances of getting what I need to get done. So I have a rule now where I wake up, I do not look at my phone, like I literally leave it face down. It's a struggle every morning, every morning, I'm like,

53:03but what if there's a really important text on the table and they need me, you know, or like, and I just don't do it. I don't look at it. And then I also think like something I've started doing lately is just like really simple gardening. So I've been doing like 15 minutes of gardening a day. I just, it's okay. Gardening is euphemistic. It's it's weeding. I'm just weeding, which is like pulling weeds out of the ground. Okay. But I, instead of scroll, if I know I'm going to get into a hole and start scrolling, I stand up and I go weed my garden. So you have to find things to replace it with. So instead of scrolling, maybe go take an exercise class, instead of scrolling, instead of bringing your phone with you to the bathroom, bring a book. Like there's just, you need to have replacements. And then for me, I mean, listen, I'm a content creator. So I am on these platforms all all day, right? Yeah. But my relationship to it has changed because I'm

54:07creating content. I'm not consuming content. I think that's like an important shift. That's a good point. Yeah. So your mind's constantly stretching and looking for new avenues of creativity, new ideas, new processes. It's pretty interesting. Yeah. And then one final thing is I kind of got into video games lately. Maybe not, but it's like not as bad. But I like in order to like relax at night, I've been playing, I've been playing Star-Dew Valley, which is like this amazing video game. And I've been playing it with my 12 year old son. And I find like, I'm not scrolling because I'm just like, I'm playing, I'm doing the little missions that I'm playing with my son and we're having great time. So I think you got to find replacements. Yeah. Oh, I liked that. I stopped playing games when my son got too old, but video games can be addicting too, though. That's the problem. Oh, yeah, maybe I've opened up a can of words. For me, for me, I'm like so bad at the games that I'm not like any good at it that I'm not getting addicted, but I'm using it as like an alternative to scrolling.

55:13Yeah. Your book's broken into two sections. It's kind of the wounding, the trauma, the problems. And then the second part is healing. But before we get into healing, I want you to talk a little bit about the achievement, what you call the achievement trap, where you're constantly achieving and working to get better and better and better and what a problem that is. I mean, I can speak to this also from like, you know, I have immigrant parents, they're Chinese. They, it's a very collectivist culture where, you know, the self is less important than the whole, right? So your is like stems from Confucianism, right? So like your whole, your reputation, what you do, how you act, like reflects on the family, right? And so there's a lot of like top down, you know, you should be a doctor, you should be a lawyer, you should, you know, the like I could write a description of what the perfect Chinese daughter would be.

56:17You're actually right about it in the book about being a little girl sitting in the big table with all the relatives and friends and having to be quiet. Yeah, yeah, they're just insane. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, there's just rules, right? There's rules on like how to be a good can, there's rules on how to be a good daughter. And I bet they're different, a little different in every culture, but you know, if I asked you what, what would be the path that your parents wanted for you? I'm sure you could be very specific and tell me, you know, what they, what would have made them proud, you know, yeah, whether it's close or far to what you're currently doing, but we all have an idea. And so I think, especially if you come from these kinds of cultures, you're very used to getting your direction from the outside, right? So like, okay, mommy and daddy want you to do this, so you better do it. And it becomes a very much like, there's not as much, well, there's very

57:21little internal reflection or reliance on, on self, right? It's more just like, okay, these are the marching orders. I know exactly what my parents want me to do. They want me to practice piano. They want to practice violin. They want me to go to Stanford. They want me to become a doctor. They want me to marry a doctor like I know exactly what they want. Okay. And so when it comes to then, like now, now, now you're like an adult and you're working, right? And you're building your career, there's no one telling you what to do anymore. And well, there is, but it's like the voice of like big tech or Silicon Valley now being like, okay, now we're just going to replace your mom's voice with, you know, rich bros in SF. And then we're going to also tell you what you should do, what kind of shoes you should buy, what kind of coffee you should drink, you know, what kind of fancy dog you should have, all the things. And so I think that's the achievement

58:28trap, right? The achievement trap is, all right, we have the blueprint. We know exactly what's going to get us the approval and the kudos from other people. We know that a certain amount of money is going to buy a status and that status is going to make us look good. And then we're going to be accepted. Everyone just wants to be accepted and loved, right? So, so like the more money you have and the bigger your title is, it's like the more important you feel maybe. So I think the achievement trap is like, to me, I'm like, you kind of just have to burst the bubble and be like, okay, my whole life, everyone has known what is like good for me, but what do I want for myself? And that really freaks people out. Like in my coaching, like when I work with people and I ask them, okay, but what do you really want? It's like deer and headlights. I mean, they just, they're like, why? Like I, I don't know. And then the fact that I don't know is like shameful and I'm freaked out.

59:35Is this all age groups when they are seeing that all age groups are going like, I really don't know what I want. Yes. Wow. 30s, 40s, 50s, like everyone. 60s. Yes. Or they know, but they're not allowed to have it. You know, but they, or they know, but it's too late. Or you know, it's always some variations. It's too late because my career's almost over and I, yeah, it's too, oh, I'm already, I'm already 47. It's too late. Oh, I'm so sad. I know. I don't, I don't think it's ever too late. I don't think it's ever too late. I mean, it's too late for me to get a PhD. That's true. But like, yeah, we're going to think of short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with my guest today. Mandy Tang discussing her new book, Heal Your Career Wounds. We'll be right back with you.

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1:02:57with membership were applicable. Plus Kellogg cereals 8.8 to 16.1 ounces, selected varieties, or peppered farm goldfish 5.9 to 8 ounces are 199 each when you buy three. Limit 3 offers with membership were applicable. Visit Vons or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. Talk about part 2 healing. You have an exercise called what needs to be healed. How do we, because that's a very cool exercise. If you're walking wounded and you're having symptoms, but you're not sure, how do you tell what needs to be healed? That's a very, very cool exercise.

1:04:02Well, I think one of the implicit messages of the book and something I believe is you have a lot of good information inside of you. When we just talked about, oh, someone is like deer and headlights and totally lost. It's like you just have to wait a bit and sit with that discomfort. Then the answer will come to you because you do actually have a lot of wisdom and a lot of knowledge about what your next step should be. The question of what needs to be healed, and this is probably informed by my shamanic training as well, which is really just intuition training. The thing is that most people actually deep down know exactly what is wrong. If I had asked you in your PayPal Depression days,

1:05:05what's actually, okay, Cliff, what's actually going on here? I think once the noise quieted down, you could very clearly pinpoint, I'm having issues with this boss, but it's a bigger thing because I just don't feel like this is the best use of my, fill in the blank. You would have actually known exactly what was wrong. I don't know what do you think. I'm listening and trying to think about what is the wound, what is wounding me? Is it the interactions with that boss that I just can't stand it because I know that he or she is just a problem and I don't like how they treat me and be little and not heard I think that was one of my biggest problems because where I was working at PayPal it was so big that we had committees for everything. That's what drove me nuts. The most minor decision making

1:06:10had to have a room of 10. Oh God. So what about that specifically drove you nuts? I think that it, I was more of a self-help, self-actualized person if that makes sense. And I didn't need a whole bunch of people. I kind of like, okay, what do you think? What do you think? What do you think? Bam. But these long-winded meetings just got to me and just drove me nuts. Yeah, because, well, I mean, it makes sense given what you do now, right? So you already had a very well-developed sense of decisiveness because you trusted yourself and you trusted your decision-making and it's not that serious. And that makes sense as to why that would really piss you off because look at what you're doing now, right? Now you are leading these conversations based on your

1:07:14your gut sense and your trust that, okay, I'm going to take this conversation where I think it should go and you know, we're not doing this by committee. We're doing this based on just like you're just leading it, right? So that's, and so that's, I think everything is a gift and I think that that showed what your strengths are. And the thing is like not everyone's like that, right? So a lot of people really do need to talk to 10 people to get consensus on making a decision about a landing page or whatever you were working on. Yeah, exactly. It was a landing page. Exactly. I was in charge of all these crazy landing pages, which is just droven nuts. I want to talk to you about something that you just brought up. You're shamanic side. What do you see as healing for on the shamanic side that is deeper? Because I

1:08:17think one of the big things is yeah, I'm getting healing, but it might just brush the problem. It might just like scratch it a little bit. Whereas some of the shamanic healing techniques and you can address this go deeper and that you have a profound healing that resolves a problem, but also makes you think about now, do I want to keep doing this? So talk a little bit about the shamanic side of your work. I think the shamanic training for me just gave me a framework for things that I was doing naturally and built the trust. I think the training itself was very formative for me because I think it allowed me to practice in a formal way a lot of the things that came intuitively. And then through like the repetition of practicing those things like holding space for other

1:09:18people, journeying on other people's behalf, also naming things that are not visible to the ordinary eye, requires a little bit of trust in yourself and trust that like, okay, I know we can't touch and feel this, but this is like something that's happening here, some shift that's happening here internally for whoever you're working with. So I think that was really powerful. And I think also it honestly made me feel less alone. That at any point you can always ask for help, right, so that you can ask for help from your guides, from ancestors, from spirits. Like you can, you're not just like in this alone, you know, you can ask for help from

1:10:22your wiser self, from your younger self. Like you can ask for help from an animal, you know, like so there's a lot of, I think a lot of more traditional and like, animistic traditions that I just connected with. And then I think I've always been a translator, right, so like immigrant parents, I was like, English is their second language, I was always translating for them. And then, you know, I went to get my MBA, but I had a background in marketing, so I was always like a foot in each world, right? That's kind of one of my skills. And I think in my coaching work too, it's like, I've worked in big tech, I've worked in corporate so I can talk that talk, I can talk about KPIs and all that stuff, but I can also bridge it to the spiritual stuff that's happening. And so I think that the shamanic practice was just like one other world that I could translate.

1:11:22Mm-hmm. Talk about a technique that you would introduce into a client interaction where a shamanic technique would be used. And can you give us like a sense of what if that might be? I mean, it could be as simple as you need to learn meditation. Yeah. You need to be more self-aware. Yeah. A lot of it is, so my experience of shamanism, like a lot of it is, um, these basically, if you wanted to put it into like more layman's terms, it's just guided meditations and visualizations, right? And so one of the, okay, example, one of the practices is the idea of having a power place. Okay. And so a power place is a place that you can access at any time. And I like to describe it as kind of like a home. Okay. So like imagine, imagine you are driving home and you think about the route and you pull into your garage and you walk into your

1:12:24house and like that's your physical home, right? Right. That's my living room back there. Um, the same way that if you were to close your eyes and meditate, right? We don't want to just like meditate in space, right? Like in the void surrounded by nothing. We probably have a visual place that we can go when we meditate, right? So you might imagine, okay, uh, something tangible, like I'm at the foot of a stream and there's a tree stump and I'm going to sit on that stump and close my eyes and I'm going to visualize like positive things that are going to happen to me, right? And so the power place would be that physical space that you're imagining yourself in. The same way that I'm like going to go sit on my actual sofa over there, you would have like a sofa, but in non-ordinary reality, okay? So one of the very first things you might do is guide a client towards their power place, right? And it's as simple as like, okay, so close your eyes and I want you

1:13:29to imagine a space that's in your imagination, okay? Um, it can be anything. It can be a cave. It can be a couch in a room. It can be a treehouse. It can be anywhere. And just imagine that space. And then as they are, um, as they're journeying to that space, so journeying is just like traveling to that space, right? You just ask them to describe it. So then they would have their eyes closed and be like, Oh, I don't know. I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to think of like something I've heard before. Oh, I'm, there's like a lake and it's pink and, um, there's a tree. And I guess I'm going to just sit, I'm going to lean my weight on this tree and that's going to be my power place. Right. Yeah, it can be as fantastical as that or it can be as mundane as it's a, it's a bench in a park that I go to all the time. I'm just going in my imagination. And what is special about this special, uh, this location, this, uh, this, uh, fantasy place that

1:14:30actually becomes very real. Yeah. Well, I think that the first, there's a sense of safety, right? So as you were, as you were continuing to do visualizations, you will return to this place time and time again. So there's like a familiarity, familiarity, a sense of safety, right? So that no matter what happens during your visualization, you can always come back like, uh, oh no, there's a, there's a monster. Okay, okay, quick, go back to your pink lake, you know, there's that kind of safety. And then I think that there's a, there's a resourcefulness that happens because of the, it's like you think about your favorite spot in your house, right? There's a kind of magic to that. There's a kind of altar, right? So you think about your favorite chair or your, your favorite, um, you know, bathroom in the house, there's a kind of power in that. And so it just becomes a place that you can start and end every visualization and also becomes a place where you can get information.

1:15:31So if, for example, you were like, oh, I don't know if I want to collaborate with this other person and do like a joint podcast, you know, I might say, okay, great. Why don't you go to your power place and like sit there and ask the question. Yeah. Right. Ask go to your, like, if you could think about what your power place is, what do you think it would be? I'm actually, oh, uh, it used to be on a creek years ago. Yeah. Okay. And the water, the water is very meditative, very soothing. Yeah. I hear it. The Brooks and things. Yeah. So I might say, okay, so let's go to that creek cliff and then why don't you, as you sit, what do you sit on at that creek? Is there a chair under a tree? Under a tree. Okay. So you might go under the tree and then you might ask, you might, you might ask the question, should I do X or should I do Y or should I do Z? And then you

1:16:36kind of just sit there and then you wait for the information to come and maybe it'll be a message in a bottle floating down the creek or maybe it'll be a, you know, a fox that appears and tells you something or maybe the tree itself will mumble something to you like. But the, but okay, I think the power of it, it's your question is you asked what's the power of it. You're very familiar with this creek. You've been there a lot and you like it and it gives you comfort. Right. Right. And there's a sense of, you know, meditative, the soothing, the water, the babblingness of it. That and itself is the power of it. Yeah. Amazing. The book's called Heal Your Career Wounds. My guest today has been Mandy Tang. We don't have time to go through all the exercises, but you developed the book with a lot of self reflection. I like that. Thank you. Was that purposely done because you discovered that your clients needed to find out about themselves through this kind of awareness or

1:17:41is it designed as a therapeutic tool, would you say, or both? I always wanted it to be a therapeutic tool. I always want there to be change that happens. You know, I want there to be movement. I want there to be self reflection. I want there to be processing. And then I want there to be releasing and I want there to be change. I think that when someone can go through something really hard and then can come out the other side and still have joy and optimism in their life, like that's the best thing ever. You know, yeah. So I want people to process their emotions and let go of that stuff. So they can move on and like do more interesting work. What do you say to a client that is knowing they're in a traumatic, stressful environment, but they have to do it. They have to do it.

1:18:44Even though they're being wounded, they're working and making tons of money, career for, career for a film, but they're being hammered. What do you say to that person? And they're not going to give up the job. So they're walking wounded. Their guts are hanging out, but they're covering it up with a nice, I'll rate coat. I would really, I don't know, it depends on the day, but if I was feeling up to it, I would challenge them. And I would say at some point, you must confront yourself and that these are all choices that you are making. You are choosing to be in a position where money is the reason you're doing this. You know it sucks because your guts are hanging out. And at some point, you will, you must confront this. You must confront this choice and either accept this choice or make a different

1:19:49choice. And I would encourage them to say, you probably don't need as much money as you think. I don't think this job is worth the stress. And what's the end game? What is the end? Like literally, I would push them to be like, no, tell me what's, okay, five years from now, what's the end game? Do you feel better? Have you achieved your goals? Yeah, no, I would really push them. I mean, I've had friends that are like, this job's killing me, but I love what I'm doing and I'm making a lot of money. And I can't see any way out. You know, well, I think what you're naming is something that people love to talk about their problems and then people love to come up with reasons, but why their solutions are not good.

1:20:50I thought you were going to say, you know, the normators to their job, their slow suicide, you know, they're, well, that is it too, right? It is. It's like, you know, I just, I always laugh a little in coaching sessions when people will be like, I really want this thing. I want to be more creative. I want to leave. I want to do, and then I'll be like, great. That sounds like something you really want and something, how long have you wanted that? A really long time. I've always, okay, we've established that. And then in the next breath, they'll be like, and here are all the reasons why I can't. Yeah. And then so I'm sort of sitting there and I'm sure you feel this as, you know, as a therapist as well, but sometimes I sit there and I'm like, hey, I didn't choose to, I didn't choose your dream. Like you're the one who said, you wanted this thing. And now you're poking holes in it. And I'm not going to like,

1:21:50I don't have a horse in the game. I'm not the one who said, I really wanted this thing. You are. So if you really want it, then I will encourage you to get it. But if I'm encouraging you, don't poke holes in my encouragement because you're the one who wanted it. Yeah. I'm wondering as a therapist, if you see these kind of clients that are like in these suicide jobs, and you're just helping to massage it to make it a little less painful. Maybe the knives aren't passing through the guts as hard. Yeah. So they're surviving. Listen, the way this is usually my barometer is if their focus is the job and they want to do that job, like they want to succeed. Like, okay, I work at Google. And yes, it's hard. But like, I love marketing. And this is my job. And this is what I want. And I'm struggling because, okay, I will help them with that goal. I will not question

1:22:59that goal. I will not be like, but do you really want to work at Google? Like, I will be like, okay, that's your goal. You're just trying to figure out how to thrive in this job. Right. But you're getting, you know, daggers left and right, because it's just tough out there. We can come up with strategies. We can come up with systems. We can come up with maybe ways that you can better understand your boss. But, you know, like, we can work with it. Okay. Any client who genuinely wants to be there, but it's just struggling because it's hard. I will always honor that and I'll always be like, great. Let's just come up with a plan to like maximize your success. It's like, you want to promote them. That's your goal. Great. Let's get you that promotion. Okay. Okay. When the, the, the, the barometer is like, if someone is in something that they just like don't even want to be there. Yeah. And they want to do something that is more healing and meaningful, but they're having trouble because it pays so well. And, you know, I don't want to start over. And like, all those reasons, then I will push to be like, okay, you don't even want to be there.

1:24:07This job is not serving you. You have to get out to go like, do something better with your life, you know? So I'll push. But if, if, if people want, like, I'm not anti-corporate. It's just, if you, if that's what you want, then I will help you get there. If that's, if I sense that you want to do something bigger, I will push you to do something bigger. Very good. How can people learn more about you? Give us your web address and your social media context so people can see you. Yeah. So you can go to my website. It's MandyTang.co. And that is I have a bunch of self-help journals there. I have some freebie downloads there as well. And then my main social media, I'm on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube as career coach Mandy. But my main, my main thing right now is YouTube. Yeah. And that you're rocking that big time. Hey Mandy, real pleasure having you on the program and continue success. I definitely

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1:27:24Make sure to go to YouTube to see Mandy on her channel. She's really good, very easy going and she's covering some very important topics like Releasing trauma and removing the causation. I mean, causation is a huge issue. We all have situations at work where we're interacting with somebody. We may not have great relationships with or we have a boss that's not very understanding or tough to deal with. You know the story. I mean, we've all had problems with our work. We're going to work to earn a living, but it can be stressful. So check it out. Mandy Tang T-A-N-G on YouTube. It's really good. Her book's great too. Lots of exercises to determine what your strains are, what your traumas are,

1:28:24and how to resolve them so they're not hanging around so much. Heal your career wounds with Mandy Tang. That was fun. You know what I want to remind you, we have a tour coming up. It's our Grand Egyptian tour number 8. It's April 25th through May 8th, 2027 and we're about a quarter full. Remember, we really take about 20 people and we are offering a wonderful incentive. If you sign up before the end of the year, you'll get a huge discount. Use the code EarthAncients250. That's the first discount. The second one is if you order, if you register early, there'll also be one of the people who get to go to the tour. And here's an example of how great this tour is. It's one for the books. They really develop a nice itinerary. The first place we go to is the Great Sphinx on the Giza Plateau. I have not had a chance to,

1:29:31is this what's it called, private visit? I have not had a chance to visit there for almost seven eight years because you can't get in there. They just don't allow it and Muhammad has relationships of people in the high places. So we're not only going to see the Sphinx, we're going to see the enclosure, which is the bedrock that it was cut from. So that means you walk to the front, they open a gate and you get to walk to a very inward detail is. You just don't do that kind of stuff. I mean, the whole tour is filled with these wonderful private visits and every time we go, it's something special to experience. That kicks off our tour. Can you believe it? And as we're in there, with the private visit, the whole general public is staring at us going, how do we get in? And the truth of the matter is, really, you can't. If you're with the general public and you're in

1:30:33general tour with one of these agencies, they don't have access. We have archaeological access. So for more information, go to earthhs.com forward slash tours, check it out, get your deposit in. If you have any questions whatsoever, send me an email, send it to earthhs, the number four, the letter U, a Gmail. I'll get back to you. Get on board. And by the way, one of the big incentives, if you look at most of these tours, there are about 12 grand, 10 to 12 days. Our grand Egyptian tour is 50% off the general price. Our tours cover everything, including four days on luxurious boating on the Nile. All your inner country touring and flying is all covered. earthhs.com forward slash tours, don't forget, be one of the last to sign up for our 2027 grand Egyptian tour. It's going to be April 25th through May 8th.

1:31:38It is going to be amazing. All right, that's it for this program. I want to thank my guest today. Manitang coming to us from Oregon as always the team of Giltor, Fah Pavar, you guys rock. All right, take care, Be Well, and we will talk to you next time. Hey guys, it's Joe. It's Kevin. And this is Nick Jonas from Hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up

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1:45:22We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite. Kleenex tissues. According to teacher lists, Kleenex is the number one facial tissue brand trusted by teachers. Kleenex ultra soft tissues are silky soft to help prevent skin irritation. And now you can take them anywhere with Kleenex snap and go. Between dance, soccer, school events, and everything else kids have going on after school, Kleenex snap and go is easy to take along. If it's in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school. We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either. For whatever happens next, grab Kleenex. I always appreciate when thoughtful and luxurious design can help change the way a space feels. That's why I love how the 48 inch panoramic display stretches across the entire dashboard and my Lincoln Navigator SUV. It helps make it easy to stay connected while giving the cabin an open, expansive feel. Whether I'm juggling errands or just enjoying some quiet time,

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1:47:27Never try it, grab the bottle with the red cap next time you're at the store. Put it on just about anything, then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Hey guys, it's Joe. It's Kevin. And this is Nick Jonas from Hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me. A class of one. Congratulations. But we're not here to talk about favorite students. We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite.

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1:49:33this feature brings a fresh perspective and helps elevate even the everyday moments. Visit linkin.com to learn more. This is Matt Rodgers from Lost Culture East. This is Matt Rodgers in Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Culture East. This is Matt Rodgers in Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait, that's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yokes, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere. Chefs use it, restaurants use it. People who really care about flavor use it. Never try it. Grab the bottle with the red cap

1:50:36next time you're at the store. Put it on just about anything, then you'll understand. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. QB, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Hey guys, it's Joe. It's Kevin and this is Nick Jonas from Hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was.

1:51:39Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me. A class of one. Congratulations. But we're not here to talk about favorite students. We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite. QB, the next issue. According to teacher lists, QB is the number one facial tissue brand trusted by teachers. QB, the next ultra soft tissues are silky soft to help prevent skin irritation. And now you can take them anywhere with QB, between dance, soccer, school events, and everything else kids have going on after school. Kleenex, Snap and Go is easy to take along. It fits in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school. We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either. QB, the next question. I always appreciate when thoughtful and luxurious design can help change the way a space feels. That's why I love how the 48 inch panoramic display stretches across the entire dashboard and my Lincoln Navigator SUV. It helps make it easy to stay connected while

1:52:43giving the cabin an open, expansive feel. Whether I'm juggling errands or just enjoying some quiet time, this feature brings a fresh perspective and helps elevate even the everyday moments. Visit Lincoln.com to learn more. This is Matt Rodgers from Los Culturistas with Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang. You know when people try a new food and suddenly it's like, wait. That's the reaction. A lot of people are having when they first try QB Mayo. It's the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle. You've probably seen it in the grocery store before. And if you've ever just walked past it, some people would say that's a huge mistake because this mayo is different. Most mayonnaise uses whole eggs. QB only uses egg yolks, which gives it this rich umami flavor. It's smoother, deeper, and almost buttery. Once people try it, they start putting it on everything. Egg sandwiches, fries, burgers, some fans even swear by dipping pizza crust in it. And once you notice it,

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