Live with Chris and Anya in Santa Inés, Baja.

0:00The life. Oh, look, people joined. We're live. Oh my God. All of you joined twice. Look at all these people. Whoa. Oh my God. They're people here. We thought we would be alone for this. We just literally came up with like, what happens if nobody comes to play on now? What do we do? Now that people are here. Um, so can people. Okay. Good. Okay. Comment. Good. That's what I was going to ask you guys. Hear us. Yeah. Cause we couldn't do a test recording. So yeah, let us know if you can hear us by saying something like, like I hear you, or I don't. Yeah. Although if they can't hear us, how are they going to know what we're asking? Audio good, loud and clear. Oh, good.

1:01Okay. Gracias. Gustavo Casanova. That's a name to live up to. Wow. All right. Cool. Thank you, Ali. All right. So here we are in Santa Ines, Baja California. Two half faces in vertical. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh, shit. Two half faces in vertical. How do we fix that? I'm not sure. Cause we're on a laptop and it's showing us. So what we need. That's not. So we need to do this video like this, or we need to go like top bottom. Well, or people can just rewatch the post. I don't think we can adjust for this. Unfortunately, I don't know. Does it work to rotate your phone? Or should we like redo it with our phones? No. Like, why would it let us do it like this? Yeah. That's really weird. I think we should just stick to what we're doing.

2:06Well, that's annoying though. If they're seeing half our face in vertical, sit back. Yeah, you guys might not be able to hear us. We can help. All right. Let's try that. Is that better? Can you guys hear us still? Keep going. All right. Keep going where? I keep going further back. I keep going further back. I don't know if we can do that. It doesn't take anything if you're right. No, be. Oh, well, that's weird. Okay, sub-stack, get your shit together. Because sub-stack, we're doing this on a laptop. And so the screen is like this. And that's weird. Here, maybe we could like, scooch back a tad. They said they can hear it.

3:09Well, why don't we move the table? Okay. We're doing really well here. You guys, this is. Yeah, sorry. Sub-stack doesn't really give you an opportunity to do a dry run on this. Okay. So hopefully you guys can still hear us because we are a good four feet away from the computer. No. We're so far away that I need to change my glasses. That's good. Those are better glasses than you. All right. Okay. Hopefully, you can see most of our faces now. So let us show you where we are. Right now, we're in a palapa, which I love. See the roof. And then this is what we're looking at right out here. That is the sea of Cortez. And, uh, yeah, pretty cool, huh?

4:14And we're in the middle of fucking nowhere, like at least an hour from a town of any sort. And it's amazing that Starlink allows us to do this from here. We're still adapting to this. We just bought this set up down in Cabo, what, like four days ago or something. And we're still trying to like work it out, uh, and getting used to all the possibilities that it opens up. But it's pretty amazing. Yeah, we avoided it for a long time, because we felt like if we're in nature, then we should just not be connected. And so I don't know, we've been in using the van for a decade close to a decade. And I've avoided it this entire time. So we paid our dues. But what we discovered is that we never really stayed anywhere more than three or four days

5:17because anywhere remote with no cell coverage, because after a few days, we were like, uh, let's, you know, drive to town and make sure our mom's okay. And, you know, make sure nothing, you know, whatever, uh, just to connect. And at that point, you don't turn around and drive back to the campsite. You just left. Um, and so we're still adjusting. We're still adjusting. Uh, and so this actually, in an interesting way, allows us to be less connected. Well, like outside more, like in one spot more, maybe, like actually live outside, in a way that we were just kind of visiting places in the outside before. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, audio is good. Okay. Thank you, Stefan. Um, so we were thinking this would be, well, first of all, we're thinking no one would show up,

6:18but you guys showed up. So here we are. I guess we're going to have a party. Uh, we were thinking it would be like, you could ask questions or we could just, uh, you know, talk about our trips so far and Baja, um, we're open to whatever we thought maybe we'd go about 30 minutes or so. Like I said, this is really, um, a trial run. I've, I don't think I've done this before. I've been on other people's sub-sac lives, but I don't think I've done my own. Um, so this is a learning experience for us. So if anybody, if you have something you want us to, to address, uh, let us know, yeah, because we can see your comments scrolling on the right side there. As of now, how is it being a homeowner as you are distant in being nomadic again? That's a good question. Yeah. Do you want to address that? Um, since the house is in your name.

7:25Yeah. Technically, I'm not a homeowner. He's just a home squatter. I'm a squatter. Uh, yeah. I mean, I think we, uh, we traveled a lot. I mean, both of us have traveled individually, um, and then traveled a lot when we were together. For me personally, I feel like I really love traveling, but I find it after some time to be a bit anxiety-producing if I don't feel like I have somewhere to go back to. Uh, and like the endless switching of mattresses and polyester sheets and like uncomfortable this and uncomfortable that just gets really old. Um, and so it's really nice to be able to go home to something. I will say traveling in the van makes that a lot easier because we're essentially traveling with like a miniature version of our home. So we have a lot of creature comforts. Um, so yeah, I mean, we, we went on this trip after three years of not leaving

8:29our home because we were adding to it and renovating it and like doubling the square footage. And when I say we, it was mostly Chris, um, but we were just highly focused in Crestone and that felt really good and like what we wanted to do. But then especially over the past year, we started to feel like we were losing our minds a little bit and like we really needed to take a break. And we actually had a trip to Mexico planned last spring. Oh, yeah. And then we canceled it at the very last minute because we just like couldn't figure out really how to be away. So when I had just traveled to Spain, um, and after that trip to Spain and back, I was like, really happy not to go to an airport and fly anywhere again. Yeah, I think I got COVID like on the flight back. Yeah. And like we'd been worried that the world was gonna end like for the past three years since before we met. So that was also part of it. We're just like, oh,

9:31we shouldn't, we feel so safe and so comfortable and so lucky to be in Crestone for so many reasons that it is honestly hard to leave. Um, but it's a very small place and perspective is important. And so it was a weird timing thing because we're like, we just finished. I mean, we still have some work to do, but we made our house livable really. For the first time, we have this gorgeous living room and dining room. We could finally enjoy it and we spent one month enjoying it and then we left, which was I think confusing for people. And I think the reason it worked out that way is just because we like literally couldn't leave while we were working on it. So, um, yeah. And we are also we've decided to go home in April. We were gonna like go to mainland Mexico and do a long guard trip. But for so many different reasons, we decided to go back. Um, and our friend Goldie who lives in Crestone. Well, who was on the podcast recently. Yeah. Amazing woman. Uh, she nobody's

10:37living in our house, but she is watering our plants and feeding my sourdough and collecting our mail, which is like someone living in the house. The sourdough is living in the house. Yeah, the sourdough is as close to a child as we have. Yeah. I will not get a pet or I will have a sourdough child. Like when we went to Montana on you brought the sourdough and it's own little special bag and you know, we had to stop at rest areas so it could pee. Take it for a walk. Yes, literally in a little lunch bag with my little flower and my spoon. And I like transfer the ice packs. It's really ridiculous, actually. Yeah. But if you've had my sourdough pizza crust, you would understand. Yeah. Yeah. It is alive and off gases. Yes. Like a child. Yes. Yes. Very much. So, yeah. So we decided not to extend this trip. Initially we were going to go drop the van off, leave the van in LA and then

11:42fly to mainland Mexico and spend some time down there. But we decided to delay that, uh, well, and we're kind of taking more time in Baja than we expected. Uh, we're going to the Bombay Beach Biennale at the end of March, which I've talked about on the podcast a bunch, our friend Tau Ruspoli will be there and lots of other people. So we're going to go there and see them and then we're going to drive to Crestown, uh, first week of April and depending on the weather, maybe we'll kind of dilly dally in Utah. There are a bunch of places in Utah that we really love. And, uh, so if the weather's good, we might stop in Utah and do another one of these from Boulder, Utah or Escalante or wherever. That's the route that we like to take. So Megan. Hi, Megan. Hi, Megan. Megan. Yeah. Um, the sand. It's in my toes right now. Yeah. How do you like the sand for us?

12:51I, I, I, I, I like the beach. I like the sand. Yeah. I'm not a beach guy. Uh, I look, we got this Palapa today. Okay. The people who were here, left and we'd fucking jumped on it and it makes all the difference because I cannot be in the sun all day. And when we, and there is no fucking shade in Baja, I'll tell you that. There are no trees. There's no shade. The fucking saguaro cactus does not give you much shade. So Baja is a shadeless land. And if you have fair skin, that is a problem. So we've been in beautiful places where from 10 a.m. till 4 p.m. I'm moving my chair around the van to be in the shade cast by the van. So I'm a centrally like sitting in a chair in a parking lot.

13:53Well, on is off sunbathing on the beach or whatever the fuck she's doing. Uh, it's not my ideal vacation scenario. You've been such a good sport, but I have to say. Yeah. I mean, this is a beauty. It is a totally beautiful place, but it's 6 10 in the afternoon. And now's when I walk on the beach or go for a swim or whatever. But yeah, from, from 10 to 4. So fuck that. I'm, I mean, I'll crawl under the van to get out of the sun or sit in the van in like 115 degrees. I do spend some time sitting in the microwave oven. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, it's okay in the winter, but I would not be here in the summer. I would like, I would sizzle and die. Yeah. So anyway, Nick, Nick joint. Nick,

14:53our neighbor, Nick. Hi, Nick. Um, what else guys? What else? Tell us what the dog. Do you want to see my son, my tan lines? No, they don't want to see. I don't know. I haven't worn pants all day today. That's the kind of day it is. I've just been wearing a sarong. So he's, you're like, you know, throwing it back to your, uh, air, I'm an Indian days. Well, it's not a loincloth. But it's close. Yeah. It's more like I'm, I'm in Thailand days. Yeah, more like that. Yeah. Um, so yeah, the food is great. We haven't gotten sick. That whole cliche about Mexico. I don't know if it's Baja or just Mexican. Yeah. Water Hygiene has improved, but we've cooked a fair amount of our own food. Yeah. See, they really want to see the tan line, Chris. Yeah, nah. You

15:57should show your tan lines. That would be more interesting. Abby, is that Abby from Australia? Who just joined? Abby McKay. Is that the same Abby? I'm not sure. So yeah, anything else you want to query us about? Any and all topics in our Palapa. Oh, it's Liam. Where's Liam? He said it's Liam joining from Abby. Oh, Liam is using Abby's account. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's what polyamory will do for you. Use each other's some stack accounts, bait and switch, right? Not the first time. Anyway, uh, yeah, Abby and Liam have been on the podcast of the Australian. Are you guys polyamorous or ethically non-minogamous? I forget how you... We're interviewing artists. How do you identify? Yeah. So should we talk about the other reason

17:03we're going back to Crestown? Sure. Do you know what I'm referring to? I do. All right. So we're we're going to write a book proposal and pitch a book that we've been talking about a lot on this trip and sort of working out ideas and, you know, thinking it through. But that's the other reason that we decided to go back because while it sounds really great, like, oh, let's go, you know, hang out in the van in the woods and get some work done. I don't know how much work we really get done. Although I don't know how much work we're really going to get done in Crestown either. But yeah, but we've done this thing like enough times to have learned our lesson where we're like, we're going to go to this place and get work done. Like I remember we did this when we went to Guatemala. You're there for maybe two months. And I don't even remember what the work was that we were supposed to be doing. But I know we didn't do it. And we like met up with

18:08a friend and drank a lot of wine and ate a lot of food and traveled. And I think that's the other thing that like your memory or nostalgia is memory without detail thing like that energy that just goes into traveling on its own is like that's and that's the amount of energy that I have personally. And then when you're in a place like you want to explore different parts of that place. So every week or so or every couple of weeks, even you're like online on Airbnb looking for another place and then you get to that place and it's like not great. So then you have to spend the energy to find a new place. So it's like so there's so much time and energy spent just doing the thing that you're doing that to work on top of that. At least we've have found that to be extremely challenging. And maybe that just means we're not like very good at working. But or travel or travel. But yeah, so we're going to go home because we thought if there was any place

19:13that we probably could get worked on, hopefully would be home. Also, we want to enjoy this fucking house we just built right out of the room, you know. Yeah, we sort of like got it done around the end of the year and had some visitors and then we left. So looking forward to that. Not quite ready to go back to cold-ish weather, although I did hear it was 60 to in Crestone, which probably felt like 75 at that altitude. Yeah. So hopefully it's not so bad, but I've been really happy to be basically naked in the sun. So Gustavo asked, ready for the Balkanization of the US? Oh, Gustavo. Yeah, I'm ready for whatever the fuck needs to happen to happen. Like I feel like I we've been together seven and a half years, right? And that entire time plus a bunch of time before that I have been waiting to see what's going to happen. Like it's clearly I've been waiting my whole I feel like my entire

20:18generation is like, can we just get this over with please? It's like waiting for a diagnosis. Like you've gone in for the testing and now you're waiting for the call like, you know, am I dying? Or am I going to be okay? Or you know what? I feel like we've been in this weird liminal space between knowing some shits about to fall and waiting it hasn't fallen. I do feel like we're getting closer. I feel like my analogy that I keep saying is that we were, I think I said this on one of our previous aromas, but like we've been on the roller coaster like going up for like a good decade or so. And then like I feel like finally in January or so we started the descent. And it's just going faster and faster. And I think I think we're more here than we have been before. But I think time will still tell what here means. But yeah, that's also partially

21:21we're really thinking about our plans for the year. And feeling like we felt maybe at the beginning of COVID, which is like, where do we want to be in a crisis? And like if we're stuck somewhere, where do we want to be? And if there's like a terrorist attack on the US, where do we want to be? Or something else happens in the world. The grade goes down. Or yeah, like press stone is a very, it's interesting because depending on your perspective, you could say it's a very vulnerable place because it's very far from infrastructure like the nearest police stations 45 minutes away, you know, or the nearest Walmart is an hour away. But from another perspective, it's a very, I think a very safe place for precisely those reasons. It's very far. It's three and a half hours from Denver, right, which is the, you know, largest, you know, big city around. But

22:24it's so remote that and, you know, a lot of people are off grid. So a lot of people have their own electricity. They have their own water source. You know, there's a lot of self-reliance and redundancy, I think. I mean, I think like I don't do it. We don't do it. But I know a lot of people who drink unfiltered creek water as they're and serve that to their children as their primary source of water, which like if you think about where, especially in the US, that's still even remotely plausible. Like it's such a small percentage. And I think that's just an extremely lucky resource. And whatever danger there is is not from industry. There's nothing upstream. The danger would be the animal died and fell in the stream. Like that's about the only danger. Yeah. So anyway, what was that question? Oh, the bulkinization of the US. Yeah, I'm ready for whatever. We're ready. Bring it on. Whatever is supposed to happen, fucking happen already. I'm

23:28tired of waiting. I don't want to die wondering what's going to happen. It's like it's, you know, how's my guitar coming? It's not, Henry. Thanks for asking. I didn't bring the guitar with me. So yeah, it played guitar one time with a friend. Oh, yeah. Tom, Tom whipped out his guitars and was trying to teach me a song. Yeah, he actually like tricked you. I think he said he was going to do something and then he like put the guitar in your lap. Yeah. He's like, I'm not going to tell Chris what I'm doing, but it's a secret guitar lesson. And it worked. I have a full. He's a really good teacher and he enjoys it. So yeah, if we spend more time with him, I would have enjoyed that. But he had an acoustic guitar and it really hurt my fingers. The steel strings. So anyway, I'm looking, that's another good thing about being home. The great thing about travel, of course,

24:29you all know that is, it makes you appreciate going home, you know. So I'm looking forward to it and getting back to the guitar is one of the reasons. Deak asks, how to keep our relationship still engaging after the three-year mark. Why the three-year mark? Colleague is deep into it. I would assume. I've never found three years to be difficult. I think I maybe have. I mean, it doesn't really actually matter what the year mark is, I think. I mean, the seven-year thing seems like it's got some kind of organic legitimacy to it, but I don't know about three. Yeah. Maybe it's like how to keep an relationship interesting after it starts to not feel interesting is probably the question. Yeah. Well, I'm torn about that

25:34because, you know, I've often said, you know, people who say relationships are a lot of work and it's really, oh, it's so much work. I think maybe you're in the wrong relationship, honestly. Like, I feel like if it feels uninteresting or unengaging three years into it, I would question whether I'm in the right relationship. Now, that's not saying there are challenges, that's not saying there aren't like, it's not a struggle to communicate sometimes, it's not a struggle to understand each other. Like, all those things are true and they can be difficult, but I don't feel in my own experience like relationships per se should be so much work. I don't know. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think it makes sense. I think it's like, it's so

26:39hard to answer that question because there could be so many different factors. It could just be that like, these two people are compatible, but they're both hiding things from each other so they don't really know. Right? Like, we've had friends that have reached a point where they were like, getting ready to get divorced and just didn't really think their relationship was working anymore. And then they red-sex it on and got brutally honest with each other and transform their whole relationship. And now, their relationship's incredibly interesting and they've had an amazing amount of interesting experiences. So like, it could be a sign that there just is like a next phase that you and this person need to enter into, which I would imagine probably has something to do with like greater honesty, greater transparency, which that could lead to greater intimacy. That's a good point. Or it's just not the right relationship. Yeah, I mean, I've been thinking a lot about how like, I do think relationships require you to continually reveal more and more about yourself.

27:46And part of that's because as you grow, you learn more and more about yourself. And the other person. And the other person. And so like, that can be really intimidating. I mean, a lot of people don't reveal much about themselves at all to start and then you're screwed. But then I think even if you do, the relationship continually demands like intimacy demands that you continue to reveal more and more about yourself, which puts you at risk of losing the relationship because the next thing you could reveal could be the thing that scares the other person away, but you like truly can't grow and create further intimacy unless you keep doing that. So it's like a double bind. It's like in order to keep something quote, interesting, or in order to maintain intimacy, you have to continually risk losing something, right? Like those you can't have one without the other in my opinion. Right. What's good? Okay, owning property. What has been the most rewarding part of putting down

28:47roots and building, most surprising unexpected drawbacks? Like you should answer this. Why? I think you're much more qualified. Well, I don't know if I have roots. I mean, we've only been there a few years. And honestly, I'm not anywhere near as engaged with the community as Anya's, which is why I was saying this more relevant to you. Like Anya works in the garden, the community garden, and also a friend's garden. And she's involved with the local newspaper and the energy fair, which is the big event every year. And she's like always got meetings and dinners and you know, she's really integrated into the community in a way that I'm not. So I don't feel like I have a lot of roots in the community the way you are developed. But I feel

29:51like this question is about like building and adding onto our house not so much about like community life, but just like actually owning a home in a place. Yeah, that is cool, I guess. But like we're not really good at business. So like we kind of we're building the house for us. You know, we're not building it to generate income like that we can put it on Airbnb when we travel or if we decide we want to go live in Spain for a year, we can rent it. Maybe we could, but we're not building it that way. And so I feel a certain amount of kind of economic vulnerability because it's like an all our eggs in one basket kind of situation. You know, if the place burned down in a wildfire, we'd essentially be living in the van, you know, like it's so that I guess for

30:53me is an unusual feeling because I've never I had an apartment. Kassilda and I bought an apartment in Barcelona, but that's different. You know, it's not a property and you don't have to take care of it the same way. But I had a thought today actually that I'm kind of looking forward to going back and doing some finishing the projects like doing the trim in the shower and building the vanity in the bathroom and building an outdoor shower and maybe a sauna and like that aspect of it, I'm enjoying more than I expected to. So that's a surprise. Yeah, so not really asking if poverty is a business, but the satisfaction building growing adapted. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that, but it's expensive, you know, and it's so much work like it's a lot of I mean, I think I think the biggest issue for us has been or was or is the was the expectation that like I think we sort of

31:59romanticize this idea of like we're going to move to this place and our friends are going to move there and we're all going to help each other build our homes and eventually like none of our friends moved and they're like well maybe we need to just build our homes so we can like prove that we're actually doing this because to be fair we were kind of like maybe maybe not in and out here kind of but also not really here and so we took the plunge to do this and we we bought we ended up buying a house which was not the original plan but then really spending a lot of time building onto it and but it's just been really hard like neither one of us know anything about building really like actually you we know some things. Chris knows some things um but we're both like we're not skilled and I and I think the most challenging I think the most challenging part for both of us has been like we're doing everything for the first time you should like lean in a little bit. We're doing everything for the first time and like when you do something for the first time

33:02you suck at it. You're too far out of the frame but yeah where do you want me? There. Here. Stay. Of it. Lean in. Lean out. Lean in. Lean out. I meant like lean in toward. Oh toward you. All right. Um but you're shouting in my ear. Sorry. This is challenging y'all. Uh next we'll talk about if we got married. Um but yeah so it's just been it's really frustrating to do something for the first time and like really suck at it um and then move on to another thing for the first time whenever we don't get to it like my uncle Dan told me you know he was uh he'd done some building and he said you should they he said they always say you build your first house for your enemy your second house for your friend and your third house for yourself and I'm like I'm only building one house like this is it so that means I'm fucking myself here because you know um so that's frustrating I feel like I learned things I've learned a lot over the process of of doing this construction

34:05but most of it I'm not going to reuse uh although the plumbing I learned plumbing and I will reuse that that was yeah like I mean a bottle wall and I hope to do another bottle wall there will be things that we repeat but because this is our first the first big project and because we're doing a lot of it ourselves mainly to save money um it's been probably more frustrating than it has felt rewarding I do think now that it's like mostly done it feels rewarding but it's been like not to sugarcoat it at all it's been like it's been very challenging and very time consuming and I think the you know sometimes you just like you buy a home or you build a home and none of you don't have any expectation of like doing it with friends or community but our vision or our desire was very much tied to that desire it wasn't just like we want to build a home or we want

35:06to buy a home it was like we want to build a lifeboat we want to like do things with friends we want to share skills and tools and all of that and I think I still have hopes for the future that that will like happen more and to be fair we also have met a lot of people who already lived in Crestone who are amazingly generous and who are doing really cool things um but I think like I don't know for me I do feel like community life was definitely romanticized a bit and and it's so much more difficult and so much more stressful and um like just draining than I anticipated and um yeah there I think the biggest lesson for me is that I just don't think there are enough people living like that to make it work so most of the time the people that are living

36:07in that way are desiring to live like in that way are exhausted overworked like take an advantage of really poor like don't have any time to take care of themselves like it's extremely draining um so more people need to like move because I'm selling it so well so yeah exactly uh it's great it's so good you guys should all move to Crestone yeah no but it's true like we very good friends of ours bought land and their plan was to they bought land the same time we did and their plan was to come out and we're gonna do all this stuff together um but it's proven to be difficult for them because they have a business and they're aging parents and so you know they're they keep saying yeah we're coming we're coming but uh but they haven't yet and so we've ended up doing this on our own more yeah uh what were we oh did we get married yes we got married did Chris propose

37:12after we got married I think yeah right we got married and then Chris got down on one knee in a a grade yard it was an old shirt but it was like a the graveyard next to the I thought it was fantastic actually I like if I that was perfect yeah but no I think I per I mean that's like gave me a ring from your mother but I uh I think I maybe proposed yeah or proposed I just like we had been taught we had talked about it before now I think both of us thought we we never wanted to get married again I didn't want to get married again I or like I didn't seek out marriage it wasn't something I found valuable um so we had talked about it but it just wasn't something that felt really important to either one of us but then we had some like Chris lost a really close friend kind of suddenly and I think that just like put life into perspective

38:14in a way that felt like mostly let's just do this for the ease and safety the logistical ease and safety of doing it because you never know and so we're like oh yeah we'll get to it and we just figured like why don't we just do it so we did it like a little over a year ago yeah um and we're registered now or not I'm joking uh the uh you know getting back to the earlier thing uh and then I'll I'll come in on marriage um I think that like a lot of things in life the pleasure of it isn't necessarily located in the activity itself it's located in the anticipation and the memory and you know I think for the rest of the time when we're in Creston and we go into that room both of us are going to have a much deeper appreciation

39:18of these rooms because we remember building them because we remember when the roof went out we remember the day the windows were installed we remember choosing you know which kind of wood floor we're gonna put down and putting it down and we remember sanding this and plastering that and all that and so you know you can say as we just did you know we can really focus on the frustration and that the you know the difficulty of the process but what we're not thinking about is that for the next 20 years we're gonna be getting pleasure every time we sit down in that room and that's a big part of it you know that that like that's interest that hasn't accrued yet and we also we did the hardest stuff first like we bought this teeny tiny house which we weren't really sure what we were gonna do with it if we were gonna keep it or rent it or sell it and then we decided to keep it but it was like a you know 700 800 square foot like retreat cabin basically like the room wasn't even the the one bedroom in the house wasn't even big enough for our

40:22bed so we turned it into Crest's office and put our bed somewhere else so like it was it was like at that a one person temporary part-time residence and the whole reason we moved to Creston is because we really wanted to like invite people and have people over for dinner and have like generate community and we were living in this like closet space for a really long time so it was obviously like crucial that if we were gonna stay there which we decided we wanted to that we needed to make the house itself livable which meant that like you know we were working on our house as we lived in our house which I think was part of the stress of that and now that we like have a comfortable house I think moving on to things like building a sauna or a little guest cabin or like a little a dope like now we can really experiment and have fun and things aren't rushed and we're not like needing to finish it at a certain time or like working like we can build you know we have enough connections now and like I've learned a lot about natural building where like I could build a

41:26little you know dirt bag house with my by myself basically and a couple of friends in a way that like is not hopefully gonna be as stressful as it was to like build our house house so I do think I've were past the the real challenge the marriage thing I've I've often felt that you know to me marriage is just a is a government intrusion on our relationships so to me the question of married not married doesn't is an on issue my relationship is with the person I'm in relationship with I don't give a shit what the government thinks about it or how they categorize it you know to me that's like do you follow your taxes together or separately you know it's that's paperwork um so I've been married in the past primarily I mean I love the women um but the reason

42:34that we got married um generally I would say most of the reason was more logistical than anything else it wasn't um it wasn't any kind of you know religious or it wasn't really ritualistic it was more like you know we're from two different countries and we want to live together so how do we do that without getting married it's they make it really difficult so yeah so my thing about marriage as as on you said it's more like you know inheritance rights and financial shit then do you get to visit the other person in the hospital if you know there's a problem and it's all that kind of stuff and if the government didn't make all that shit necessary then I wouldn't really see the point of marriage yeah whoa whoa what the fuck is that okay hey hey watch Chris and Anya freak out about a book

43:36that book is like really is that a bird or a book um okay Matt Carl he didn't say my wife on the podcast with the okay with grandma oh yeah okay all right any other questions furniture maker Adam yeah yeah although I mean I would imagine when you're a skilled carpenter there is pleasure in the process of carpenter skills being the killer exactly as a furniture maker yeah I mean you have to be skilled so all right cool any other questions or should we sign off we bits been more than half an hour now we know how this works we can do it more often hopefully you see most of our faces yeah how are your neighbors absent our neighbors absent but I guess

44:40somewhere we uh Nick and his partner Lily I met Lily through my podcast many years ago and Nick and Lily I have to say they're like one of the only people that were like fuck it we're actually moving to Crestone bought a house in Crestone and not only a house in Crestone but literally the house next door to us although Lily has a thing for buying houses so she just bought another house in Texas so they've been living in Texas fixing that up but yeah and Nick's been on the podcast he's the guy who was in Antarctica for and wears shorts in the middle of winter and Crestone always shorts yeah so yeah Nick I mean that's an example right like Nick does heavy equipment operations so if those guys are living in Crestone like we can you know get together and buy a backhoe and you know Nick can dig trenches and we can like start building a team but yeah the problem

45:44is people are coming and going including us so there's no judgment but hopefully you know like if the world actually really ends that's it our real estate our prices our land prices will go up people will finally sell by the land that we have for sale and yeah we can like really do this COVID was like a test run yeah and it so many people flocked to Crestone and we're just you know really hoping for another global pandemic because we really we really enjoyed the first one sure some nuclear war or something would be great for a real estate portfolio yeah yeah definitely so anyway uh sending you guys lots of love from Baja the sun is going down yeah and it's getting cold and uh wit wit from Northern California I don't know which wit that is that Whitney is that Whitney in Yosemite yes I can see her little icon oh you can see it from

46:50here Jesus young eyes all right love you wit love you everybody uh hope to see you down the road we'll do this again sometime get in touch bye bye all right how do I turn it off here you