Lindsay Clancy: The Three Victims Nobody Marched For (Audio)

0:00Go into the world. And tell every man that you meet. There is a man on the cross. A Catholic take. What you need to know right now. A bold synthesis of inspiration and information. Keeping you up to date on the news and issues from a courageous Catholic perspective. A Catholic take with Joe McLean starts now. Praise be to Jesus Christ. Welcome back to a Catholic take a bold synthesis of information and inspiration of your host. Joe McLean, so good to be on with you. Praise be to God. Let's talk about Lindsey Clancy. Three separate camps. The women in pink. The girl boss narrative. And the drug thesis. We're all reaching for the same thing. A way to say that nobody's responsible for the death of the three children. It's more complicated than that. And we're going to have that conversation today at 30 past the hour with Nick Kovasos from the traditional Thomas.

1:04He's going to join us on the program to weigh in. Day number five of deliberation still. Still the threat of a hung jury is before us because they can't seem to come to a consensus. Nick Kovasos is going to be all over this on the show later in the hour. But I want to do something else today besides talk about Lindsey Clancy. I want to talk about this day in history. Have you ever heard of Scanderbake, the Albanian brave heart on this day back in the 15th century? The man was responsible for the slaughter of 80,000 Muslims who had invaded Europe. And if he did not hold back the hordes, Rome would have fallen. And we would be living in a different world. It wouldn't just be the Muslim invasions happening right now in southern Spain. It would have happened so many centuries ago. But for the heroic efforts of someone like Scanderbake, and I'm going to tell you all about him at 14 past the hour.

2:04I'm super excited about it because we have forgotten our heroes and it's time to remember them again. So we've got a lot to talk about today. By the way, also, I did fix the whole, I got the cheat sheet yesterday. We talked about the papacy and scripture and in the church fathers. And I created that cheat sheet. I told you about that. I said, my email was acting up. That's fixed. So you can get access to this cheat sheet download that goes through and refutes West Huffs erroneous arguments and contentions with the papacy and sacred scripture and in the history of the church. We give you a timeline. We quote sources. We refute his arguments. This is the cheat sheet that I promised yesterday. Well, you can get access to it by being on the email list or you can go right now to joe McClean dot com scroll down. It's right there is the papacy in the Bible. And you can fill out that form. Give me your email. Give me your first name. You give me permission to harass your inbox. And we have a deal.

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5:12Throughout his life, Pius maintained an attitude of simplicity and humility, along with a deep desire for peace. The stress of his active pontificate, excavated by a heart attack and the opening salvoes of World War I, finally led to his death in the year of our Lord, 1914. He is celebrated on August 21st in the modern calendar. For more about the saints and seasons of the Catholic Church, visit thestationofthecross.com forward slash saints and seasons. Pope St. Pius X, pray for us. And now your headline news. Just the news reports Gloria Steinem, a feminist icon in fierce abortion advocate, dies at 92. Gloria Steinem died at 92, the daughter of a traveling salesman who became one of the top voices of the 1970s feminism. Steinem argued through books, speeches, and frequent television appearances that abortion was an essential element of democracy.

6:15We got him mercy on her soul. LifeSight News reports Vatican Theological Commission calls the Mass an ecological school. A lengthy September the 2nd document from the International Theological Commission titled, Carrying for our common home, a responsible and fraternal response to the triune god. States that from the Eucharist flows a spirituality capable of supporting and encouraging the ecological conversion that we so urgently need to undertake as a human family. But you is, I thought it was about the sacrifice of our Savior on Calvary. I guess not. Zeal reports the judge sends Charlie Kirk murder case to trial. Fourth District Court Judge Tony Graff ruled September 1 that Tyler Robinson must stand trial for aggravated murder in the assassination of Charlie Kirk at the Utah Valley University in September of last year finding the evidence sufficient to support a reasonable belief that the defendant is the individual who shot and killed Charlie Kirk.

7:20And those, those are your headline news. The Gospel today in the 1962 missile comes to us from John chapter 21 verses 15 through 17. At that time Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of John, love us thou me more than these? He saith to him. Ye Lord, thou knowest that I love thee? He saith to him. Feed my lambs. He saith to him again. Simon, son of John, love us thou me? He saith to him. Ye Lord, thou knowest that I love thee? And he saith to him. Feed my lambs. He said to him the third time. Simon, son of John, love us thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time love us thou be. And he saith to him.

8:20Lord, thou knowest all things? Thou knowest that I love thee? And he saith to him. Feed my sheep. The Gospel of the Lord. Lows TB Christy. This pairs so very nicely to what we were talking about yesterday when we were refuting Westhof on the papacy in Scripture. Again, you can get the cheat sheet on my website joeMcClean.com. But Cornel Salloppede on verse 15 says, when Christ was about to go into heaven, he hear a point's Peter, his vicar upon earth, and creates him chief pontiff at the one church might be ruled by one shepherd. Again, we talked about this yesterday at length, about the historical design, God's design for his church in the Old Testament.

9:22We talked about the chief minister in Isaiah chapter 22 or Joseph in Genesis 41. And how, of course, Saint Peter in Matthew 16, the design of the one, the three, the twelve, and the seven in the Old Testament, brought to its fullness in the new because David is the key. And as the angel Gabriel said to the Blessed Virgin Mary in Luke 1, that her child will sit on the throne of David forever, and he will be the son of the Most High God. That is a direct reference to 2 Samuel 6, and the covenant swarn to with God and King David. That the son of David would be the son of God. That is the fulfillment therein' Luke 1. And the kingdom of David had a chief minister who bore the keys, had the special office and privilege, the titles, and the authority of binding and losing, and had to be a father figure to the inhabitants of the household of the king and the kingdom itself. We talked about all of it yesterday.

10:22I encourage you to get the itchy, you should get it. It's so good, go to JoeMcline.com and give me your email. Let me harass you in your inbox and it's a fair exchange. Father Haydock, on verse 15, quoting Whitman here, Christ gave Peter the power he had promised at Matthew 16-18, making him head of his whole church, and on this account the Catholic Church, from the very first ages, hath always reverenced and acknowledged the supreme power of the successor of Peter. Of course, he quotes Tritilian, Aarones, Cyprian, Jerome, Augustine, Christendom, the Council of Chaucedon, just like we did yesterday. So I encourage you to get that cheat sheet. If I haven't expressed that enough, well, there you go. In his lapidace, as Peter does not dare say, I love thee more than the others do, his fall had made him more modest and cautious this time, Machuvally in his commentary agrees. Mindful of his fall and former presumption, Peter now humbly and modestly appeals to his divine master and out of modesty does not say he loves him more than the others do,

11:24but notice what it is that Jesus says. Feed my sheep, feed my lambs, feed my sheep. That is exactly what the chief ministers and the kingdom of David were supposed to do. They were to feed the inhabitants at the proper time. This is the perfection of the kingdom of David. That is by design, and that is why I wrote the book, Pathwick by design. Let me tell you a great story in two minutes from now. Don't go anywhere.

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13:26who'll stick around for that. But I want to tell you a story. I found this on Substack on Raymond Eberheim. He's a Coptic Christian. So he's from East from Egypt. He wrote a great book called The Sword in Symmetar. I'm going through it right now. It's fantastic. I could recommend it enough. And when I saw this article, I was really inspired by it because it tells the story of a man named Scandorbegg, whom you probably have never heard of. Let me know. Have you heard of Scandorbegg? Raise your hand in the chat box. And let me know which if you have heard of this story or not. But I'm going to read this to you because it is, in fact, epic. And we need to remember our heroes. Scandorbegg, today in history, an escaped Christian slave, annihilates 80,000 Muslims. Outnumbered 10 to 1, Scandorbegg delivers one of Christenham's greatest triumphs of a over-Islam by Raymond Eberheim.

14:27Today in history, Europe witnessed one of its most remarkable stands against Islamic aggression. The little-known battle of Al-Balena, fought in the rugged heart of Albania, Albania back in 1457. To appreciate the significance of this epic clash, one must first appreciate the leader of the Albanian forces, George Castorodi, better known as Scandorbegg, or Lord Alexander. Today, he is as little-known in the West as he was once widely celebrated throughout all of Europe. His life validates the saying that truth is stranger than fiction. Born of Albanian royalty, he was taken captive as a child by the Ottoman Turks, and trained to be a jansier, a Christian slave and doctrinated into becoming a Muslim soldier. Excelling at war, he quickly rose among the Ottoman ranks until he became a celebrated general,

15:27with thousands of Turks under his command. Despite all the honors showered upon him, once the opportunity appeared, he showed where his true allegiance lay. He broke free of the Muslims, and fled to his native and continuously harried Albania. There, after openly reclaiming his Christian faith, he abduored the prophet and the sultan, and proclaimed himself the avenger of his family and country to quote Edward Gibbon. There, after, from 1443 to 1468, a quarter of a century, Scanderbeg committed his life to the successful defense of his tiny homeland against the world's most powerful empire. In so doing, he renounced a life of wealth, prestige, and untold pleasures among the Ottomans, and willingly embraced a life of non-stop war,

16:28among and on behalf of his own people, frequently living in the mountains and caves, as a fugitive, though always living in freedom. His in gratitude naturally provoked the Turks to no end, and prompted wave after wave of jihadist invasions, each larger and cooler than its predecessor. Yet, in a total of 24 battles and sieges, he beat them all back, always, while being vastly outnumbered by his Muslim foes, often by as much as 10 to 1. It is little wonder, then, that he is known as the Albanian Braveheart. The Battle of Albalina, which occurred on today's date, represents the pinnacle of his career. In late May of 1457, 80,000 Turks under the command of Scanderbeg's own treacherous nephew Hamza, whose jealousy had caused him to betray his uncle,

17:30marched through and devastated the Matt River Valley in North Central Albania. Because Hamza was well acquainted with his uncle's guerrilla tactics, Scanderbeg had to improvise. Instead of hiding his vastly outnumbered army, barely one-tenth the size of the Muslim army, in the mountains and awaiting the opportune moment to strike, as he had often done, he divided it into smaller units and disappeared them in the valleys and the woods. For three months, all the Turks saw were tiny, roving bands of Albanians, none of which dared to leave the mountains and engage them. As a result, nearly three months later, by late August, the Ottomans concluded that Scanderbeg had become a moot point, that he was, quote, done up with, that his men had deserted him, and that he himself had, quote, quit to the mountain fastness in order to save his skin,

18:30close quote, quoting the sources. But just when the Turks were most convinced that the Albanians had lost both their leader and their nerve, on September 2nd, 1457, Scanderbeg having reunited his 8,000 men, army launched a lightning swift strike. Under the mount, to Manisha, to loud cries, and the bragging instruments of war, he and his cavalry and guerrilla fight are suddenly burst into the Muslim camp in a frenzy of war. The trapped Turks were terrified, despite assurances from Hamza that the Albanian army was much smaller than it seemed. Panic spread, and the Muslim army was routed on the plains of Al-Balena. And what became one of the Ottomans' worst defeats, as many as 30,000 Turks were either butchered or captured in the bloody onslaught. Not only Al-Balena,

19:31and Albania, but all of Europe benefited from Scanderbeg's stalwart defense and perseverance, which continued until the moment of his death some years later. Had the Ottomans managed to transform Albania into a launching pad, it would have landed the whole army of the Turks in Italy in 1450, instead of when they finally arrived in 1480 in Muhammad II. The conqueror, modern day Turkey's hero, would have had 30 years, not just one, to pursue his long, life-charaged goal of conquering Rome, and from there, inundating Western Europe with the hordes. That Scanderbeg was the quintessential defender of the West, was even acknowledged by the United States Congress back in 2005 in a resolution, saying, quote, honoring the 600th anniversary of the birth of George Cassarote, Scanderbeg,

20:33statesman, diplomat, and military genius for his role in saving Western Europe from the Ottoman occupation. Close quote. In the centuries following his death, more than 1000 books and more than 20 different languages, and any number of operas and plays were written about him. Although I doubt you've ever heard of any of them. In a letter dated 1756, Major James Wolf of Britain wrote that Scanderbeg excels all the officers, ancient and modern, and the conduct of a small defensive army. In 1905, history in William J. Armstrong went so far as to write that the exploits even of the renowned paladians of the crusades, whether God-free or Richard or Raymond pale to insignificance by similar comparison. Only the legendary feats of King Arthur in his knights suggest a parallel wondrous achievement.

21:34Such praise is well warranted for Scanderbeg lived as few men dared to live, renounced privilege to fight for faith and freedom, defending a small mountain people against the strongest empire of his time. The Battle of Albalina remains not just an Albanian triumph, but one of Europe's great victories, one that you've never, ever, ever heard of. I want you to let that sink in. Why have you never heard the story of the Albanian Braveheart? How have we forgotten these stories? How is it today we see the Muslims come hoarding over the southern border in Spain, in droves and waves, in boatloads, and we just let them in? The name Muhammad is the most common male name in many towns in Britain,

22:34and the island of England today, Muhammad is more common than George is. What have we sacrificed? What have we given up? It's more than just our society, it's our faith. It's what we firmly believed or we used to believe anyway. It's the mission that Christ sent His apostles on to go forth and make disciples of all nations. And there was a day in a time when some of the Catholics, the Christians, defended the Christendom with their very lives, and they would fight sacrifice and toil to rid Christendom of its enemies, including those of Muhammad who, in the seventh century, swept across North Africa and stole Africa away from Christendom and then began to pressure Europe.

23:37And the battle was on and it would last a thousand years. Constantinople would fall in what, 1480 or something along those lines? Rome finally fell, but it wasn't because of the hard work and toil of men like Skanderbeg, the Albanian Braveheart. For he gave his life for the cause and he left everything on the battlefield. You and I, we haven't even begun to fight. We haven't even tried, not really. This man who was kind of like a George Washington, hiding, maneuvering, keeping away from open-field combat, kind of like a swamp fox in some ways, kind of like a Braveheart. But at the end of the day, he had one mission and one mission saw him through it all. And just like at the Battle of San Jacinto that freed Texas from Mexico and sang anon the Freemasons,

24:37well, he weren't freed from the Freemasons, let's just be honest, they still ruled Texas. But nonetheless, Skanderbeg did it for Christendom. He didn't do it for the lodge, he didn't do it for wealth, he didn't do it for a good time, he didn't do it for accolades, he did it because Christ, his king, his lord, and his savior demanded that we lay down our lives for our friends, because it is the greatest thing one can do. So may God rest the soul of Skanderbeg, the Albanian Braveheart, and may we never forget the sacrifice, the toil of those like dawn, one of osprey, the Battle of Aponto. Or King Sobiesky, the Battle of Vienna, or Skanderbeg, the Battle of Albulina, and Albania, in the 15th century. May God have mercy on all of us, and may we never be afraid to fight the good fight. We come back, let's talk about the Lindsay Clancy case.

25:39Let's talk about Big Pharma and their role in all of this, because there's a lot of blame to go around. The question is, will anybody be held responsible? That's next, don't worry. Praise be to Jesus Christ, welcome back to a Catholic takeable synthesis of information and inspiration of your host, Joe McClain, praise be to God, it is good to be on with you. Everybody's looking at the Lindsay Clancy case, because we're in day five of deliberations, still deadlocked, state of Massachusetts requires unanimous decision, a mistrial could be the case. So everybody is really on pins and needles waiting to see what happens next, joining us to weigh in on it from the traditional Thomas podcast, good for the show Nick Kavasos. Nick, good afternoon, thanks for hanging out. Where are you on the Lindsay Clancy case? Yeah, it's good to be with you. And by the way, I'm actually a direct descend of St. Ferdinand III, so I enjoyed your presentation.

26:45Praise be to Jesus, the Muslims. That's all the presentation. But this case is, it's really tragic, honestly. If you really start to dig down into, first off, you have the story itself, the actual case itself, which is a tragedy, right? The kids end up obviously being murdered by their mother, right? You have this freakish case of her also throwing herself out of her own home for a second story window, right? So it's just absolutely wild. But I think what's obviously driving this discussion more so than say any other type of murder case is the reactions that we're getting obviously posed, right? This is nothing new. It's just kind of the kind of hyperpartisan nature, almost between the two sexes, about who is innocent, who is not innocent. And I think that that's indicative of the situation that we as a nation find ourselves in because on the one hand, I think if we lived in a much more saner society, right? This, this proceeding would have gone a lot quicker and we probably would be done with the case, but unfortunately we're not.

27:47So now we're in this weird world where because we're in a society where you have especially a lot of middle class individuals who are obsessed with true crime and stuff like that. And because also there has been this partially deserved, right, propensity to just mistrust all institutions, especially since the year 2020. You now have this like bizarre case where you have these, you know, tick-tock wine moms who think that they know more than like the prosecuting team who is some of the best prosecutors that we actually see inside of the entire nation or on this particular case. So it's quite a nightmareish scenario all around and it only gets worse when you have, you know, the info talking heads and podcasts who without any like serious digging down into it, just start throwing out their opinion just to get likes and attention. It's crazy. Yeah, it is a very complicated case because postpartum depression is real. That's a thing. It does happen. And but it's the drugs that I think are compounding this problem to even greater degree. And I sent you a link to a video and I'm going to link to this video in the show notes today so that everybody else can watch it.

29:00But this, the guy in this radically genuine with Dr. Roger McFillin, he goes through the drugs that Lindsey was on and he points out how even though the doctors in the notes and he's getting this from the court records. Even though they're saying, yeah, okay, we gave her this drug, it didn't work. We gave her more of it. And then we added this other one on and then this one and that one and he like he points out that like she's got like more than a dozen plus psychiatric medications between late 2022 and then that January. So like she's she's on a tremendous amount of heavy psychiatric drugs to compound postpartum depression. I mean, like I feel like big pharma has to be held accountable in all this. What would you say? Well, yeah, this is some of the debate because if memory serves and put a massive grain of salt about what I'm about to say, but I believe it's like 3637 drugs that she was in some form fashion on if you will during this broader period of time.

30:03So you're right about that like an insane amount where the debate comes into though is the fact that on the one hand, while she is either prescribed some of these things are not working. So you have more prescriptions of other drugs. On the other hand, it is fairly clear from a lot of the evidence that we have been seen that she wasn't on a good amount of these medications, even at the time of her, you know, unfortunately, murder her children. And so you're now in this weird world where on the one hand, as you are taking point it out, this true depression that does exist, right postpartum depression, it is in fact real. The question is this, you know, how much was she truly under the influence of these things or was she not because it does seemingly see based off of the evidence that we do have that on the one hand, she is not on a lot of these medications that she's for her own self reduced a lot of these particular medications. But then also at the same time when we look at the attempts that she made on, let's just say, terminating her own particular life just to keep it YouTube friendly, right.

31:08What she ends up doing is she throws herself, well, she first, you know, slashes up her wrists and stuff a little bit on her neck, takes some of these particular medications and then throws herself out of the second story window. But she ends up, of course, landing on it looks like a bunch of ice sits down there in the front lawn or back lawn or wherever. And she, of course, now is paralyzed because of this tragically, right. But it's a good thing obviously that she's alive because that does mean obviously from our Christian perspective that she does, of course, have a chance to repent. So that's a great mercy in that sense. But broadly speaking, the question is is, okay, if she's, if she's prescribed all of this stuff, but then also on the other end of the spectrum, she's not on a lot of this stuff. What is her level of culpability? And this is where we get into some of the interesting details about the case because if you go back and you read the entire timeline for people, right. Basically, just for people who don't know is she, her husband ends up leaving the home. She ends up, unfortunately, right. Murdering the lives of her three children. But she's, during this process, right. According to court documents saying that she's hearing this male voice telling her to do these things.

32:17Now, what's so interesting about this is from our perspective, and I think we do have a unique perspective as Christians is that we're able to say, well, it's not out of the range of possibility that there is some demonic influence, right. That's something that, you know, the secular world is going to miss because they're just going to say, you know, is this hallucinations, which it could be, it could be lying, who knows. But there is at least that possibility. But regardless, what people are doing now with the whole question about the level of culpability is that on the one hand, they're saying when it comes to particularly the partisans who are supporting her. And a lot of this support I have found is not real support trying to bring awareness to the reality of depression after after a child is born. But it's rather honestly like feminist man hating. It is well, you know, the male voice that she heard represents the male voice that we all hear says the TikTok wine moms. And so therefore we see ourselves in this woman. And some of them unfortunately are justifying what she did. Some of them are trying to either maybe not justify, but downplay what she's done by saying again, you know, maybe this is just her, you know, natural freeborn reality.

33:30So all freeborn reaction to the oppression of men and things along that nature. So all kinds of just weird stuff that you're hearing. When in reality, when we look at the actual effects of the case, she's guilty, right? She's admitted that she's guilty. The word finds her to be essentially guilty, at least in the context of the evidence. The question is, is that will she be actually found guilty in the context of the actual sentencing? And of course, that's where we're stuck right now when it comes to the jury. Let me throw another log on the fire here. James, let me put this on the screen because I want to play a clip here. This is from the behavior panel with Scott Rouse, Chris Hughes Greg Hartley and Mark Bowden. I watched them on occasion. They're really great behavioral experts. They have military government law enforcement type of backgrounds. But let's just listen to this from Chase Hughes about the reality of what the court now has to decide. So they went this the prosecution can essentially say, yes, she believed she was sparing them suffering and simultaneously say she remains totally criminally responsible for everything.

34:35And what we're saying here is motive and mental capacity are separate to separate forensic questions, I guess. So saying she thought she was saving them solves nothing all by itself. Because I'm going to go back now. I'm going to play another clip here from the same video. The forensic fight now becomes was the problem itself real at the time in her mind. So planning tells us something about like the cognitive part of this, the reality testing tells us like whether the world that she was imagining actually existed. So the point he's making in this and I'm a link to it in the show notes is the argument can be made that in her mind and her distorted, whacked psychiatric break from reality. She thought that she was helping the kids by taking their lives because they would have been harmed greater if their mom was dead and they didn't have their mother.

35:36So in her weird psychiatric split way, she thought she was doing something good. And and because the court now has to decide that yes, she's guilty, yes, she's criminally responsible. But she may not be criminally held held responsible for it. I think that's even more complicated. I feel like we're going to find a hung jury. I feel like they're going to retry this and I feel like we're going to end up right back where we left off. Yeah, there's a decent chance because at least at the moment, it's really just one juror a couple days ago, it looked like it was two jurors now looks like it's just one. So maybe you'll start to see some type of more unilateral consensus later on, but I think the fact that we're still, I mean, this is day five, I believe, day five, where we're still going through all of this. It's pretty wild to say the least. But I think you're right. I think hypothetically, if you end up in a situation where she is found, you know, there's hung jury. And so of course you have mistrial. This could easily wind up back in where it's going to. But what will be the ramifications culturally, I think is the fascinating question outside of this because you know, as I said, with everything right on the one hand, if this story was, let's just say flipped, right?

36:53In the sense of gender roles, I honestly don't think that this story would have, you know, hundreds of or thousands of men outside the courthouse, right, trying to in some form of fashion downplay to some degree, what place, right? It just wouldn't happen. We've seen stories, tragic, horrific stories of fathers who have ended the lives of their children. And no one is celebrating that, you know, everybody is just like this. It's just out to lunch. But with this case, because of the fact that she has received so much support, the question is really, how is culture reacting to this? And I think that what we're seeing is the continuation of the gender divide in the United States. It's already been there, but it's only because I've become worse and worse and worse as every single issue in our society has become much more political. And in this context, I've seen a lot of them, particularly young men, you may have seen this story, you know, there was a pretty good story the other day, maybe about a week or so ago, where a guy, it was like the day before his wedding or something like this, right, broke up with his girlfriend, because he found out that she was a supporter of this woman.

38:02And they share their text messages with the world and the response, essentially, if the woman was, are you kidding me? Like you're breaking up with me a day before the wedding because of an opinion. And he responds to her and he says, no, I'm not breaking you up with because of an opinion. I'm breaking up with you because of the reality that inside of this kind of demented hive mind as it's kind of been termed, you're going to some form of fashion justify irresponsible wild behavior. And I don't want to put my children in that. And what's interesting about that argument is that it's essentially the same argument that we've been seeing building, especially in the last five years, because you remember Joe back in 2022, I think it was whenever all of the Dylan Mulvaney stuff was going on with Bud Light, the trans issue was really blowing up. One of the big discussions we were having was, can women just take away the child from a man in the context of some type of civil divorce, trans the child and the man has next to no power authority to stop him in some places. That's happened exactly.

39:03So is this not just kind of not in the, you know, an apples for apples comparison, but the same kind of general trajectory where men are looking at this and they're saying, okay, we've gone from in this and we don't believe this obviously, but this world of, you know, safe legal and rare abortions to abortion on demand to abortion at the moment of birth to now even after birth, it can in some states be justifiable, quote, unquote. And now even further after that, the child's living, it's been living for years, the mother can end the life of the child and there's still going to be some type of massive social support for it in some form or fashion. Where have we gone? So a lot of men are checking out and they're saying, this is not right. Like we've gone too far. And this is of course where you get into all of the interesting kind of niche internet debates for starting to slowly trickle out into the ether about, you know, what is, and I'm not even saying, I believe in this. Like what is the role of women in politics? What's the role of women in juries in the role of, I mean, all kinds of interesting discussions.

40:04I want to talk about the dad to coming up, we have a break, we're going to come back in two minutes, but three separate camps, the women in pink who protested that women should have the right to murder their children. Are you at all surprised by that? I mean, I'm not. And then of course you got the girl boss narrative, women's girl boss. And then of course you have the drugs that were foisted upon this woman that only made everything that much more or less. Who's going to be held responsible? I don't know, but all three of these camps seem like they don't want anybody responsible. And therein lies the biggest tragedy of all. More on that in two minutes from now. Your commentary is still to come. Don't go anywhere. Be right back. Praise be to Jesus Christ. Welcome back to a Catholic takeable synthesis of information and inspiration your host, Joe McClain, praise be to God. It is good to be on with you. We're talking about the Lindsay Clancy case with Nick Kovasas from the traditional Thomas podcast.

41:05I want to talk about the husband though a little bit. Did you say anything to Lindsay when when you found her in that state? Yeah, I said what happened and what was her response? She said I tried to kill myself. Did you ask her anything else? I said, where are the kids? And what was her response? She said they're in the basement. You know, when I find fascinating Nick, welcome back about the husband here is he's had to sit with this for three years. He's had to relive this for three years. He's divorced. He's married somebody else. This whole thing, you know, having to sit here in this court and go through all this again when you watch his testimony, it gets more and more emotional and more and more difficult to actually sit through. What do you make of the father in this? Some people have tried to put the blame on him. Yeah, I've seen a lot of the latter. I've seen a lot of people who tried to in some form of fashion blame him and it's been again, the takes on line can sometimes get down right hysterical down to just people saying, look the way his eyes look, you know, he's clearly the one who is pressuring into something or other.

42:16It's just it's just crazy nonsense. But in the context of a realistic look at him, you got to feel bad for him. I mean, I'm not a parent, but I can empathize strongly with people who have lost loved ones and their life. I've lost many loved ones in my life. And so to picture your own flesh and blood, right, being their lives being ended by someone who you're married to must be absolutely traumatic. And so I think that really whenever it comes to this individual, you know, three years on, right, he's probably had to of course battle through so many internal different crises about, you know, especially as a guy, right, you have to wrestle with the whole reality of, you know, am I the one who could have stopped it in some form or fashion, right. I'm sure he's played that discussion over in his head so many times, you know, what if I would have just been there, you know, for an extra hour, what if I would have just done this or that could I have prevented this. You know, I feel absolutely bad for the guy when it comes down to it. But then it gets really into what you brought up before we hit the break, which is in a certain fashion outside of her, right, who is really to blame for this. And this is again, I come in discussion.

43:23You see some people say him, we've also seen that a lot of discussions about big farm and I think the debate about big farmers interesting in the sense that on the one hand, while I'm not a supporter of big farm, I actually think that especially nowadays, we do have to have some serious conversations about just how good medicine is now I'm not a doctor. So there's just that clarification out there. I'm not giving medical advice, but I just think that that debate is worth interestingly having. But when it comes down to it, the question is should they be held accountable. And as I was thinking over that question, right, that you posed and other people opposed should they be held accountable. It reminds me of the question. Should a firearms company be held accountable for say a mass shooting that a person goes and takes a place in right there's that interesting debate. Now one can maybe return that argument by saying, well, unlike with you know, if you're not a big farmer, I'm not sure. I think with you know, say cold or any other type of firearm company, you know, no one's pressuring you to go and buy firearms right unless you're a super based dad like no outside force is really pressuring you to go and buy firearms right.

44:31Whereas when it comes to the medical industry, it's like, okay, yeah, it's on every single commercial all the time. And obviously it's something that 99% of people can empathize with going and getting from the supermarket or where what have you. I don't know at the end of the day, I think that we do have a society, this is my personal opinion, but a society that is probably too reliant upon these things. And so when it comes down to it, perhaps there are doctors and practitioners out there who are going to just always really try to get people to buy into a lot of this stuff. And so we'll have negative mental complications that being said, I don't think that any of that based off of the evidence that we have seen that I laid out earlier about the fact that she's off a lot of these medications, you know, clears are of any type of innocence really when it comes down to it. That's again, I mean, if you go out and you drink too much and you hit somebody with your car, you kill them, you go to jail, you're responsible, but Joe, that's you drinking versus just, you know, medications. If you're on coding because you got a tooth extracted or something along those lines and it affects you in a way that you weren't predicting. I've had to be on coding in the past.

45:41And it's a powerful drug, I mean, honestly, and you kill somebody with your car by accident, you go to prison. I mean, that's the way that works just because you. This is a very complicated case to say the least and you started this conversation by saying the way this ends creates a precedent that might be have lasting ramifications. And I think that's why the ladies in pink, the hundreds of women or the TikTok wine moms, you lovingly called them. I'm going to get some email on that one. These ladies in pink show up to protest for her right to kill babies. Like what does that say about our society? The girl boss, the Gen Z girl boss movement, couple with abortion on demand Massachusetts just voted for abortion on demand. I'm not at all surprised that these women are out there cheering for this. They cheered for abortion on demand. They want to kill babies all the way up to birth. And now I'm going to argue they're trying to get it after birth too.

46:42Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I think that I mean without trying to sound too much like a stereotypical Bible thumper, but it's just the case. It's we are in a godless society. That doesn't mean I hate my country or or any type of lack of patriotism or something like that, but it is just the truth. I mean ultimately when it comes down to it, you've talked about this better than I have you've been you've invited plenty of better guests than myself who have talked about the fact that you know abortion for so many is their type of demonic sacrament. I think it's absolutely great. The truth is it's the absolute inverse because it's like according to sacramental theology. What is the sacrament? You know, it ultimately the purpose behind it is supposed to confer grace or the life of God into the soul. So what's the great inverse of you know the life of God right as opposed to just ending life right God breeze into the nostrils the breath of life into man. And now we're inversing that by saying well you don't even have a chance to live because of again my own you know proclivities or selfishness or what have you again I understand there's complicating factors out there, but again regardless of the context.

47:53It reminds me also of a discussion I actually had believe it or not shout out to the sons of conference we actually had this conversation similar on last Thursday night when I was meeting with them about you know what's going on in the sheet in our Lord's parable right Matthew 25. Really when it comes down to what's the difference between a sheep and a goat right they're both critters the both farm animals but at the end of the day a sheep. While not the most intelligent being you can lead around it follows what the master says ideally right the goat however goats are really unruly self-willed people. And that's one of the big problems that we have in our society is that we are very self will again I understand the craziness of factors that are out there there's a lot we oftentimes right talk about women in the context of abortion and it's true because they're the most kind of immediate factor. There's a ton of men though that unfortunately pressure women into abortions which is also a while and because of all this it ultimately has to be chalked up to again the selfishness and the godlessness of our society and it should it should break our hearts frankly because again this issue that we're discussing today this court case is really just kind of the over 10 windows starting to shift even further because again like you and I and other people we've talked about abortion so we can't do that.

49:15We talked about abortion so much that I think sometimes we forget just truly how horrible that thing is you know what I'm saying whereas when we see stuff like this it's just pushing that over 10 window and our own neurons in our brains are like what is going on but it's been going on for so long now. Yeah you can't rightly order society by starting with legislation right you can't I mean I can sit here and complain about big farm but let's just be honest that's not going to it's not going to bring these three children back. You know we have to proclaim the gospel we have to set a standard that says every single soul and plan it earth has to become Catholic because that's the mission there are no exceptions to this rule and then we have to carry ourselves out according to that statement right like the church from the top down you know because who's going to sit here and advocate for these three dead children because they are the ones that need of the most help in this instead it's a tragedy this woman has to live with a crime that she committed for the rest of her life may God help her I pray that she gets God's grace. And it's God's grace and receives the sacraments and is is reconciled to the Lord before her death and you know it's just a tragic story.

50:21Nicholas Gavasa's traditional Thomas always grateful for your input your commentary your conversation means a lot to me. Check them out at the traditional Thomas on YouTube we're going to link to in the show notes in the after show the live videos stream your commentary your Catholic take. I never even streamed it into the telegram group today just couldn't get to it for the show started so may a colpa may a maximal colpa to all the telegrammers sorry about that the Paul could see their John Paul's there to Damon are good for from the north tundra of Texas and a pyramid good afternoon to you praise be to Jesus what are we the bottom up what are we doing captain pre was that's just that's creepy some posted a probably a I generated poster from like the 1970s it's kind of funny Jerome good to see you there praise be to God Jane steves our friend from sunny Massachusetts James 6897 praise be to Jesus. Gus captain everyone listening on my phone prayer for me and for my friends going to a metal concert yikes.

51:36He storm is on the team today but it has come out that she actually didn't take most of those drugs that she kept doctor shopping going to different places to find different alternatives yeah I mean that's something Nick Kovas was pointed out that she was actually not a most of them which is good but I may tell you a story about drugs. Um here's a story about a little boy as a song go wasn't there how did I know you were going to ask how it went I was so prepared for that. My oldest my oldest is adopted when he was a little boy he was in it in it I'm not I don't want to reveal too many of the details I really really don't but long story he was then I really defied that he was a local situation as a toddler which is how he came to my wife and I was attention and we were asked to go visit with him and we saw the situation which he was living and it broke our hearts.

52:43And so we we brought him home we fought for him we went to court for him you know we're at by the grace of God we were able to adopt him and raise him he's married now with three kids praise be to God. And he was a toddler he was diagnosed by Boller as a toddler and he was put on all kinds of medications and he was hallucinating as a toddler we met him when he was four or four and a half I think it was four and a half when I first met him. And the person who had who had custody of him at that moment was desperately trying to get him off the drugs and find him a home that's how he came to our attention like come please help this boy needs help. It's clear to me that big pharma and the doctors that she was visiting do play a role in this no matter how much she was on or off and she probably was on and off at various times. But at the end of the day I think she's responsible that's my opinion I think she's responsible I think she needs to be held responsible.

53:44I don't think she she should just go to a psychic psych ward over it I really don't even if the drugs are an issue I guess my bigger point is you know we we live in a society where big pharma gets away with whatever and we just like okay whatever new day next day doesn't matter like if we want to correct part of the situation. Society we have to correct part of that. We got a correct part of that. I know Dominique good afternoon to you Alberto Philip praise be to God English contra mundo hang Beth good afternoon praise be to God Joey Carter we all have to watch out for each other seems that many people are just a tiny event away from doing crazy stuff. We got to watch our friends and neighbors I know it's like every time something bad happens in the the news people show up to the neighbors yeah I think it's a great guy I never had any suspicions ever. Like isn't that always the case like that's what I'm going to say about James when they asked me like not James is great I mean other than the blue cheese thing like that was a little weird I'll just be honest.

54:52But others in that never suspected of anything so just you know I'm prepared call me Fox News I'm ready I don't know if I should be flattered by what just came out of your mouth or not because it's like you're insinuating that I'm going to do something insane but at the same time you're telling me that I was a great guy so like which what's the takeaway what's the rod there. Okay yeah there you go Joe Ann every person receiving treatment is different maybe what she needed was to be admitted to a psych hospital. Yeah I don't know I don't know but I definitely think it's part of the equation. I think I think it's exactly what we talked about with Nick I mean it's just multi layered you've got a feminism gone wild in our society. You've got a you've got a masculinity that's been a feminized and lost and is out of control so men don't know how to be men women don't know how to be women we don't

55:55know how to get along well with each other and interact appropriately with each other and then you add drugs and you add selfishness and cute sense and blah blah and like it just it's spiraling out of control. I mean then there's this woman in New York with her two kitchen knives attacking police officers killing a woman who just got back a Catholic woman who just got back from attorney leave and now five month old baby and dad are left there no longer able to be with you know with this woman they just lost her life I don't remember her name unfortunately but like just this insane insane world we live in. This to me feels like what St Paul was referring to in his and his warning there in second Timothy on chapter three on the end times the you know the attitude the behavior of people in the world is going to be

56:56calm cold and dark and selfish it just feels like that profligates Mac good afternoon did he just say goats are boomers out why do you hate boobie get off my lawn you whipper snapper I'm Jen actually a boomer but on behalf of all boomers get off my lawn you whipper snapper no goats are Jen's ears Jen and the office millennials there there are obstinate do whatever the heck they want come and go as they please entitled Ellie Maria says or the tick tock videos pretend to hurt their kids in honor of clancy there are there are already cases to this case already copycats cases that's going to get worse Joe Pilatos yeah the doctors to prescribe those medicines they do it's

58:00true and I think that needs to be part of the equation of being held accountable honestly part but and I've said this at other occasions other shows other topics especially when we talk about the jab doctors are trained you know this is I find this true in most segments of society how does a receptionist act they act according to the way they were trained how does a lawyer treat their paralegal the way they were trained to treat them how does a doctor treat their nurse the way they were trained to treat nurses you know I mean a boss treat an assistant an employee you know I like they we we are trained to do the thing we are trained to do I find it everywhere in society people do the thing they're trained to do doctors are trained by big pharma they're all they're already being lobbied at medical school get on the team do the thing and then in their practice they're told this is what you will give these are the drugs this is when you give them this is how often you give them this is what you want to upsell them to you want to get

59:13them on this one you want to get them on this one like big farmers basically the one always lobbying the doctors now that isn't that being the doctors are innocent that's the exact point I'm trying to make is it bugs me to no end that highly trained smart well educated people just blindly sometimes maybe often do the thing they're supposed to do rather than think about it rather than you know well is that the way like they don't actually pull out that data sheet material data sheet that comes with these medicines read them and it says never give this drug to people that are in this this this and that circumstance they they almost never read those it is do the thing they're supposed to do how do they know if they're if they're patients truly will have adverse effects to these meds they don't actually know they make you fill out a form when you show up are you allergic to any drugs not that I'm a no well OK then I hear you go my hands are washed here I asked the question I asked all the questions but you can't actually know I mean maybe if you took like blood tests or you just some DNA tests or whatever then you can try to maybe

1:00:26better understand well how the certain meds are going to react in certain people they never do that not really so not always of course but a lot of times so bad things happen and they just do what they're told they just do it they're told Chasty good afternoon to you Huskers in Royals gal good afternoon to you I tried to ask the question during the show if anybody had heard of the Albanian Braveheart had anybody I didn't get a chance I couldn't look over at the chats I really see a couple people who said they had yeah I was too busy fumbling the ball on the two yard line trying to read the story poorly my a culpa may have a maximum of copup James is going to have me be publicly after the show because you guys deserve better but nonetheless so there was a couple of people raised God. Doug says we don't have testing like that yet well actually they can do blood test and they can do some DNA test for certain meds and they can know whether especially vaccines whether they can know

1:01:26that they'll have adverse effects because some of the material data sheets actually should suggest it we know because we got into our discussion with our doctor about that because one of our sons had a tremendous adverse effect to one of the vaccines he was given and was very close very very close to spending the rest of his life drooling for a living it was very scary situation we had pull out this material data and it says right there never give somebody with this if these that this happens or this happens to test this way it's it was on the sheet from big farm but nobody reads them. Dr says Joe Pilatus says doctors get a commission with drugs and vaccines not all will take the money but it's true and I can be surprised if I don't know if that's true but it wouldn't surprise me either honestly albeini Albanian pizza shop owner what what about an albe Albanian pizza shop owner what are we talking about the woke generations knows no bounds says wild mom I saw a mom say no to her baby by simply putting her back in the church

1:02:41and we are seeing different types of this behavior depending on age I'm trying to read some of it did Aunt Barila make pasta what are we talking about pasta now Joe doesn't know ball. Thanks for we have the recipes you right I have no idea what you're talking about this true new flu shots have M RNA and that's why don't get flu shots Judy new thank you. The Albanians bought all the Italian pizza shops and kept the name here blow in my mind what where do they buy these shops again they buy all the Italian pizza shops where like in Italy, New York or where do they do this. Tare and feather them says john Paul you think that we're looking at a mistrile I think we will see a mistrile yes now the def was it the defense of the prosecutors.

1:03:50I don't know but the prosecutors I think said that they're going to try it again next week if it if it ends up in a hung jury they're going to try it again next week is what I think that's what they said. Joe answers in my situation my mom having postpartum a little kids were we were blessed that my mom didn't kill her kill us or herself I remember when I got older she would say she didn't know who any of us were it's real. Something that I've been saying that's what makes this even more complicated postpartum depression. Where's their saying now postpartum psychosis is real to think accentuate that with drugs it's worse and you know I'm going to say something that might also upset a few but accentuate that with certain foods. Because the reality is we don't want to really talk about this too often the public we talk about mad we talk about those things but we have highly processed foods that when we eat these foods they affect our behavior they affect our attitudes our emotions every time I go on car benches I feel like I feel terrible I feel negative I feel like I bet negative you know stinking thinking.

1:05:09As what was his name what was his name the guy who said stinking thinking all the time. Someone's gonna tell me his name in the chat I just know it. What was his name what was the guy's name who said use that term stinking thinking all the time. What is his name why can't I remember don't get old that's the answer but anytime I eat I go on a car bencher forget it especially blue cheese dog you're a hundred percent right on that blue cheese will throw you in a suicide. Emotional rampage. What was his name the guy who you coin the phrase stinking thinking. Somebody's got to know the guy's name hey by the way if you're hanging out on the X today I wish I could read your comments but your boy Elon Musk is too busy trying to get to Mars. Rather than make sure you can leave a comment on the live video feed on X not wasn't Richard Simmons no is the famous sale you like before Tony Robbins was Tony Robbins. This guy was this guy to forget his name stinking thinking.

1:06:13Zigg Ziggler thank you thank you Zigg Ziggler for the win good job producer. Producer James to the rescue in spite of all of his blue cheese consumption he was the first to the draw. Come on down yeah Zigg Ziggler stinking thinking man every time I go on a car bencher dude the stinking thing is going off the charts. Carbs make me feel like trash it's exactly my point every time I love carbs. I mean when I get on is on a car bencher like I know I can't get off that train I'm like you know hunter Biden with crack in the corner of the wide house just. You know just like mowing on some cookie or something I just it's it's terrible it's really really terrible. But that's the way it is but we eat these foods and they do bad things to our emotions are thinking the way we think about ourselves and about the others around us we highly processed foods plastic plastic you must

1:07:17plastics you intake on a daily basis. More than you're willing to want to admit to what is that doing to your body. What is it do to your body what is it do to your mind. Your emotions so you you compound food drugs lifestyle all these things. Doubt anxieties. It's a recipe for disaster this world needs Christ more now than it's ever needed. Christ peanut chocolate covered peanut M&M's you've on man that was my drug a choice I'm. I'm having flashbacks to this day I can't eat them I just can't I just can't because there will be no end honestly the appropriate dosage of chocolate covered peanut M&M's is the one pound bag. Per sitting man you know I maybe some of you are new here but you I used to be 490 pounds. I should put bust out old photos of me as a big dude it would be kind of fun to I wonder if I can find a real quick old photo can I get on to my eye cloud.

1:08:29I cloud photos let's see if it lets me on that I can show you an old old photo of me back in the day. I'm talking a stink and thinking. See if it lets me. Man I would I would I'd pound one of those king size bags and I'd wash it back with a mountain do or a doctor pepper. And then I'd I'd have to get another one for the right home after work because you know you just can't. Can't get enough of that stuff. See how far back in time can I travel. My. 2011 is not not far enough. This one is the here's here's one 2011. This boy right here. He's in the fire Academy now pray for him this is the boy that punched me in the face for five times last week. Made my head hurt. He punched me in the jaw and my skull felt like it was going to explode.

1:09:31And then he did one of those like Chuck Norris spinny things and try to come around from the front like the back of his hand. I'm like you're trying to kill me. Sparring this is inspiring this is like what was the blood sport with the Jean Claude Van Dam. And I get to be Jean Claude Van Dam and then okay it's I'm playing Jean Claude. Man that kid with his orangutan monkey arms. Let me see if I can find anything else. Go back we get no you're going in the wrong direction which direction are we going in here wrong direction. This is me this is 2002 with my oldest daughter. She's going to get married next year. Isn't that crazy. Look at her. She was so cute when she was born her cheeks like they were like it was like she had a football in her mouth sideways when she was born. Just when when she was born my heart literally grew.

1:10:34It was the most crazy thing to explain. The capacity to love another human being. I've never felt that so much as to when I laid my eyes on my daughter being born. The first time it's crazy. 2002. This is my oldest son. 2002. This is the one I was talking about earlier. Love that boy. Good boy. I'm trying to see I can find another picture. That may or may not be me. I don't know. Get that coin out your out my face. I was seen not your leave Ray. Ray Jan if you seen not your leave Ray. So anyway, yeah, I was a heavy boy. I this is my son job ball. Look at him. He's like why? Who what put me down put me back at any rate. I was a heavy boy.

1:11:34I had gained a tremendous amount of weight and it was because I loved food. I loved food. I was depressed. I was struggling in life. I was struggling with a father wound. I made a documentary film about that journey. But I medicated through food. And I ate a lot of terrible food and it caused a lot of health problems. And then going on about three four three to four or five years ago, some of those health problems were coming to a pinnacle in my life. I was having serious issues. And I knew I needed to do something about it because it was going to be too late too soon because I was already getting very old. And I made a decision to go on the carnivore diet and when I went extreme, I went hardcore carnivore for, I don't know, six months or so, three months, minimum, but six months really. And then I started to ease into keto after that. I basically dropped 200 pounds. And I've bounced back a little bit. And 2023, I was probably at my lightest.

1:12:36But I had been since I was a teenager or in my Marine Corps days. So 2023, I was at my ultimate low weight. And I've bounced back a little bit since I put on a little bit of weight. But I've sort of plateaued and maintained where I'm at now. And I exercise a lot and I elite mostly protein, but I'm more in the keto camp. And I'll have a little bit of carbs. And some days, especially when I go to Buffalo, it's all carbs all the time. Come on down. You know, and James trying to kill me with his Buffalo wing dipped, you know, Buffalo wings. Not even at like anchor bar, which is like, you penultimate. Stop it. It's, you know, it's, he takes me to like bar bill north or whatever. Not even the OG anchor bar. That's how you know somebody cares about you, Joe. Is because they don't take me to them because they don't take you to anchor bar.

1:13:38That's how you know that you're in good hands. Like a good neighbor. Pretty sure James is there. Yeah. Can't wait for Buffalo says Rudy Carlos Rudy. Hey, Rudy and I are going to go fishing. Rudy and I are going to go to Walmart. Gonna buy ourselves some of those pro level fishing rods with a little bait, the little plastic container of tackle. And then we're going to wait into the Niagara Falls. And we're going to pull out the big and fish. Rudy, since you're here, please tell the people, what is your opinion of the wings? I just, I need this out in public. We are also going to get Buffalo pizza. Buffalo, like Buffalo meat. I'm up for that. Let's be good. Elizabeth, you know, you just gave something for Joe to complain about. I'm going to make chicken wings the next few days, not tomorrow. And I'm going to mix blue cheese crumbles and with the sour cream and make dip.

1:14:39Says Elizabeth. Just out of your spite. I love that. Just to get back at me. That's so funny. Ah, try, try, tip is a California only meat. Don't ask about it in Texas. Oh boy. Michael Allen Johnson, Jr. says Joe, don't feel bad. I was, I was in drug addiction for 21 years. It cost me my children, my life, everything. But then our lady and the rosary and Christ and his church changed all that. Praise be to God. Oh, right. I'm like, why is my butt not working? That's amazing story, my God. Praise be to Jesus. Yeah, we, we sort of Medicaid our way through life most of the time. And that's sort of my point going back to Lindsey Clancy. You know, it's just part of the tragedy of this whole story. This is, this is par for the course in our culture.

1:15:39Are we at all surprised that we have cases like Lindsey Clancy when our culture is totally geared this way? 100% geared this way. Raising three boys in early 2000s, not Julie Bray and a pulling dynamite and three amigos were faves in our house. It's just, it's just, I don't know, not Julie Bray is kind of an embarrassing guilty pleasure. I'm being honest with you. It's pretty cringy, not Julie Bray. Actually, it's pretty dicey sketchy blasphemous maybe. I don't know. I probably shouldn't like not Julie Bray. I've had the diarrhea since the Easter's. Terrible actually. Doug says, I'll pray for your conversion to ranch. Ranch for the win. Honey mustards the actual way to go. Glory to Jesus Christ as we have the recipes.

1:16:39Yay, amen. I'm having blue cheese on my tritib sandwich tonight. How do we start this conversation for crying out loud? It's inevitable. Let's come back to this. I'm talking about anything and it will always come back to me somehow, somehow. A John Paul says, I don't know, first T store, the problem isn't, the problem is it's the peanut im an im's. If you're going to do im an im's right, you have to go with the milk chocolate im an im's. I like dark better, but okay. John Paul says, yes, unfortunately, as a peanut butter enthusiast, I cannot endorse the peanut butter im an im's. Yeah, tragic, isn't it? I used to love me some chocolate covered peanut im an im's though, buy that poundful. And then I would bring to work a three liter, who remembers when they used to sell three liter bottles of soda? They don't do that anymore, do they? I don't think I really did. I haven't bought soda in forever, but back in my day, we used to buy the three liter

1:17:43bottles. The big, huge, I take one of those to work with me. Drink it at work during the day. Who remembers when diet Pepsi, there was a time, maybe 25, maybe even more years ago, there was a case, it was a nurse. She would drink a six pack of diet soda every shift. One day she gets off of work and she's sitting in her car and she could not remember where she lived. And long story short, they discovered that the sweetener in the diet soda was eating holes in her brain. But that's our food for you. That's the way that cookie crumbles, and I love cookies, trust me. Branch dressing and dip is Augustinian, says C newton. See there you go. And yet another reason why we shouldn't be enjoying the dip of the serocents, which is

1:18:43blue cheese. The Catholic dip would be honey mustard. I suppose a subordinate Augustinian dip would be ranch dressing. And then the serocents would be blue cheese. Devalize the three liter with the big mouth top. Oh yeah, speaking of big, who remembers big red? Like that was a thing. I guess I shouldn't like ranch, the now ranch is great. I like ranch. And I don't mind blue cheese at all. It's fine. It's subordinate in the order of hierarchy of goodness, but it's not bad. That's horrible. I hate diet soda, exactly. I hate it too. That's why I never drink it. Why am I so hungry, sis Mac? I don't know. I can't imagine why you're hungry. It's not like we've talked about food. He did drugs as well, but it's alcoholism. Who did? Alberto, I missed the part of that conversation. Stop it, Joe. Blue cheese is good with wings, says the list of it.

1:19:44Yes, it's fine. It's totally okay. It's just it's not the be all end all, but it's fine. You know, listen, I like wings all by themselves. They don't really have to have much, you know, but I'll take him with blue cheese for sure. I'll just prefer them with others, but Damon says, you know, I had a funny thought. We need a huge donor who will only donate his money if James sings. I thought I was the one with all the money, but what I just heard was that Damon is going to donate big. It's not what he said at all, actually. If a wherever James is, you guys can't see him on the screen, but wherever he is, it starts singing. Go for it. What is this song, exactly? What am I supposed to be? I don't care. Go for it. I just needed to give you a music bed. I didn't know this was like an extended cut. Where did this version come from? Oh, by the way, did you guys see that Tom Cruise is remaking Days of Thunder?

1:20:45What is going on with a guy? You know, all of a sudden, Maverick's out. So are we going to get a remake of every Tom Cruise film ever? Are we going to get it taps, too? Because like that's the one that I want. Risky business, the two. Are we going to get a risky business? The firm, too? Do you guys think Tom Cruise, who's now almost 70, should remake all of his films? I don't know, man. He's a great actor. He's a fantastic movie maker. I don't know how I feel about him remaking. I was good with remaking Top Gun. That felt appropriate to me. But now I don't know. I'm not as convinced. John Paulson, Joe Dancing, Clip, can become an animated gift. Real quick. We'll delete that, James, OK? No. We'll see you guys tomorrow with Bishop Strickland and Dr. Stein.