Law and Order vs. Chaos ft. Stephen Miller

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1:02and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show hour two starts now. I'm so excited about this guest. I'm going to get right into it at a Stephen Miller White House deputy chief of staff and homeland security adviser. He is one of the architects of ending the scourge of illegal immigration in this country. Deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Great to be here. Yeah, honored to have you. Let's start right in Minneapolis last night. News is just broke that the three illegals that attacked this ice officer last night were all let in under Biden. Or are all Venezuelan illegals? What is your message to Jacob Fry to Tim Waltz to Keith Ellison that seemed to be stoking the flames of actual insurrection in the state of Minnesota. We also have rumblings in Philadelphia. What is your message to them? Stephen Miller.

2:02Well, first of all, as you, as you mentioned, the three illegal aliens who were involved in this potentially deadly assault against an ice officer. So something that could have very easily turned into a murder. And in fact, surely would have been a murder was an attempted murder, but for the fact that the ice officer acted heroically to save his own life and the life of others. And what we've learned is that those individuals involved in this attempted murder were led into the country by Joe Biden as part of his four year long policy of mass releasing illegal aliens into the United States. And so it's just an important reminder to think about where we were just one year ago. In the administration, that's right just a year ago, right a year ago, you had an administration that every day was letting thousands of any random illegals who showed up at the southern border, single adult men in most cases into the country, resettled on taxpayer time to commit unimaginable numbers of crimes and spread havoc and may ham all over the United States.

3:15This is just the reminder of what a unbearable calamity we were living through as a nation during these four years of invasion and sabotage. These are the these are the illegal that are being shielded from deportation by the mayor of the attorney general on the governor. In the three in the three of those individuals, you you have a perfect illustration of how radical left Democrat governance consumes and destroys any paradise, any place over which they exert control. We didn't have to go back very far in time where Minnesota was the was the scene, the picture, the epitome of American ideal, the words you don't have to go back that far is when it's within our national memory to go back in time to Minnesota as a place where the idea of a riot would be impossible.

4:19Conceive of the idea of having a riot in Minnesota where the idea of by the crime would be unthinkable where the idea of having massive Somali refugee welfare scams going going going back in time to generations of Minnesota and telling the the men and women who live there there would be a day when there would be. A complete resettlement of Moga Dishu into Minnesota and they would be stealing all the welfare, it would have believed you if you tried so these individuals are waging a campaign of insurrection against the federal government to protect. There are four innovators who are in their state and to obstruct federal enforcement and it is a direct challenge in every respect to the authority of the federal government and the idea, the bedrock idea, the bedrock fact of our republic, which is that the federal government is the supreme law of the land that the constitution is the supreme law of the land that states do not at the right to carry out insurrection against the federal government.

5:30We're very glad to hear you say that we were discussing at the outset of the show that the left clearly sees this as a big test they recognize the importance of this they believe that if they can force ice to back down in this clash then they'll they'll have gotten away with what they did under the Biden administration that they brought in these 15 plus million people and if they can say it's too difficult to remove them too disruptive to remove them too tyrannical to remove them they can get away with this atrocity. And we're very glad of course to hear that you recognize those same stakes when you say it's insurrection is of course a strong word do we have to look at possible charges not just against writers but against government officials who are abetting and encouraging this. But I don't want to speak to any charges that may or may not apply since it's very important that whatever decisions that the Department of Justice makes whatever facts they analyze are a result of of the OJs analysis of those facts but what I would say very clearly is that you only have to read their own words.

6:47And hear their own words and judge their own conduct conduct to understand that this is clearly an insurgency against the federal government. They are describing the federal government as an occupying force. Just think about that for a second. The federal government is responsible for the administration of federal law, the administration of federal benefits, the administration of federal resources, the administration of federal immigration enforcement. All 50 states right the federal government whether it's whether it's providing the funding for our entitlement and our safety net programs whether it is providing security at our airports and our ports of entry whether it is maintaining the safety and security of our roads or transportation or bridges. And of course the federal government has sold jurisdiction and authority over immigration law because we have one national immigration law. We do not have we have one national currency, we have one national flag, we have one national constitution, we have one national immigration law.

7:52If you were to permit individual cities and states to ratify their own immigration laws for themselves that you wouldn't have a Republican, you wouldn't have a country. And that's the proposition that fry and Ellison and walls are trying to test they are asserting that they have the unfettered right to harbor aliens who have no right to be in this country and to effectively it in in in in fact to incite violent insurrection from organized agitators against federal forces to prevent those federal forces from effectuating duly enacted. We had a 10 year national, it really goes back for, you know, half a century, but the last 10 years in particular since President Trump declared his candidacy in June of 2015, we've had a great national debate about immigration immigration enforcement and sovereignty. The issue of course was one of the largest issues in the 2016 campaign, but I think you would agree for observers, I would argue that it was an even bigger issue in the 2024 campaign.

9:08And so we had this great national debate and dialogue on immigration President Trump beat Joe Biden. Then he beat Connolly Harris, so he defeated two Democrat presidential candidates in a single campaign cycle in which one of the central critiques throughout both those campaigns was on the question of immigration. And after we won the first major piece of legislation that was enacted was a reconciliation bill, a budget bill to provide the largest increase in funding for immigration enforcement operations in American history. So Americans voted, then the house voted, then the Senate voted, everybody voted to enact this agenda. And now you have Democrat politicians and their radical violent agitator base using or attempting to use force to veto the result of a democratic process.

10:16In other words, to use violence to override those. That is what you're seeing and that is what is happening. I completely agree and Stephen, I think it's fair to call these communist front groups. I think it's fair to call these militia thugs that are inspired and trained by communist front groups. I have so many questions for you, Stephen. So I'm going to try and get through them quickly. But I remember you telling the world telling me that the last message you got from Charlie was we have to root out the funding networks. So that's question number one. But second part of that question. So I would love to know an update on where we stand and rooting out some of these funding networks. But there's so much else going on. President Trump has now announced that 75 different countries. He is pausing visas from 75 different countries. I would love to know your POV on that. How did we get there? How do we arrive on that? I do hear people asking what about Mexico? What about India? So I'll let you chime in on that. And then defending sanctuary cities. All of these are different pieces of this mosaic of that you are working on.

11:20It's all part of your portfolio. The floor is yours. Take any of those that you want. Stephen Miller. Yes, you're right that the last message that Charlie sent me was about dismantling the left wings structures of organized violence. And shortly after that, the in the in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination. President Trump issued a historic executive order that we refer to as nspm seven national security presidential memorandum number seven. And nspm is different than other executive orders in that it establishes the architecture of infrastructure of US security policy. And that is nspm for the first time ever created a road map and a structure for treating these.

12:20This fifth column, this violent fifth column. In the context of domestic terrorism. And the in system. There's been enormous progress made. And we would all like we would all of course like more progress and more results more quickly. But there's been enormous progress that has been made in in mapping out these these networks and developing the kinds of cases that will be necessary to deliver that crippling blow blow. The the kinds of work when you're talking about this effectively counterinsertion see work is what we're describing here. And sometimes counterinsertion see work. It can take a while to develop the you can do you can you can I should get quick hits and quick arrests absolutely it can't it can take some time to develop a full picture.

13:20And we're purpose of then shattering and dismantling organization of how it works how it operates how it communicates. These are highly sophisticated organizations. The most interesting is that the is that the response to the federal presence the Minneapolis has caused a lot of these organizations to to unburrow from underneath the rocks where they hide and to come out and force. Candles were lit on Bondi Beach by families by children by people of faith to celebrate a festival of light a festival from Bible times one that Jesus himself celebrated. People gathered with hope seeking unity and comfort and tradition but instead of light there was darkness violence fear hatred showing itself at a time meant for prayer and rejoicing times like this remind us that even with the ceasefire in Israel Jewish people are being targeted simply because of their faith. And times like this remind us why the international fellowship of Christians and Jews exists to stand in the gap providing safety and security to God's people.

14:27The fellowship brings together Christians and Jews to be a light to suffering Jews in Israel the former Soviet Union or wherever the needs are greatest together we can make a real difference in the lives of those who need hope the most. Your gift today will help provide the security that God's people so desperately need visit urgent ifcj.org that's one word urgent ifcj.org or call now at 866338 ifcj that's 8663384325. And so with the with the thousands of officers that we have now in response to the incredible threats and violence in Minnesota the there's now within that an opportunity to to to interdict large numbers of these insurrectionists and then use them to get insight into these networks and deliver criminal consequences.

15:27So you'll you'll see a lot more progress in the near future I also want to go out in the interest of transparency that you know there is a there is a study that was done in 2016 and it said that for all the for all the employees that DOJ who had a recorded political donation that 98% were to Hillary Clinton. Someone can check that it might have been 94% 97% that's immaterial the the greatest challenge that the administration has had with respect to the Department of Justice which should of course be no surprise to you or your listeners and viewers is is how thoroughly the Department of Justice at every level was infiltrated by deep state actors and activists. You know one of the most important things that we can do is a movement just like a DHS you know by hiring 10,000 new ice officers you're also in so doing that you're hiring 10,000 new pro-American Patriots you're hiring 10,000 people who love their country and believe in their country believe in the rule of law there's a desperate need desperate need to do the same kind of project project at DOJ in the sense that we need.

16:50We need young Patriots law degrees to choose a career at the Department of Justice that's a medium term that's a medium term issue that's not a short term issue. We have the obligation to fix things in the short term and the Department of Justice understands this but if you want to change the character of federal law enforcement in this country at the end of the day the pipeline is the matter is most who are the people that are actually charging the cases who are the people that are actually sitting in the US attorney's offices who are the careers at every level. Of these enforcement agencies and enforcement officers who works in the civil rights office who works in the criminal division who works in the national security division and one of the one of the big mistakes the conservatives have made historically is they they focus on policy to the exclusion of personnel and personnel is the most important consideration when it comes to policy and I don't just mean the personnel that you know whose names you know they're out there in the public. It matters who the line attorney is in the office that you've never heard of it all matters and cumulatively it matters enormously and so the Department just understands this problem and this challenge the deep state challenge and of course every department inherited this when we came in right so there's a deep state at DHS there's a deep state at DOJ there's a deep state department there's a deep state at DOW right I mean everyone is confronted this.

18:13And my last point for example Pete has done an extraordinary job rooting out the deep state in in DOW but if I had to tell you where do I think the deep state was the worst on day one the most corrupt deep state that anybody inherited it was certainly a DOJ none of which is none of which in any way alleviates the burden that we have in the here and now to ensure that justice is done fully fairly completely and swiftly. But I guess I just go back full circle and say that I'm in a soda right now the the insurrectionists come out of hiding they're confronting our officers on the street they're they're being arrested. This is a national security priority more arrests of the insurrectionists are being made every day and each of those arrests that provides an opportunity to learn more about the about the network. From a law enforcement and national security standpoint just you read a couple of things so switching over to the other announcement so Secretary Rubio announced that they are to spending

19:25issuances of new immigrant visas also known as green cards and for short they call them IVs so you have NIVs those are non immigrant visas and I think for example like tourist visas and then IVs which are immigrant visas and so they are suspending immigrant visas from 75 countries or put them on pause the temporary temporary pause because those countries have had extraordinary high rates of welfare usage which is a violation of federal law in other words the an alien who is going to be on welfare is is per se in admissible and as a side note to be an immigrant to this country you have to have a sponsor that sponsor has to assert under penalty of significant financial punishment they have to assert that they will ensure that no one they sponsor will ever go on welfare and that if they were to ever be in any kind of financial

20:28that they sponsor would personally encumber the entire financial cost of that so what you see is a system that has been broken at every single possible level in other words it means that the sponsors have all lied on their forms where the welfare is being used or they haven't lied and they then they then they were they failed to live up the legal obligations and then you have the aliens themselves who were wrongly admitted the system is completely broken right in other words that is the violation of a non-functioning system so the State Department has been putting new measures in place not just in those countries when these measures we put in place that will will apply universally most public charge the universal standard but those of the countries where the concern have been most acute in terms of extremely high rates of welfare usage. I did see questions about Brazil and I was you know I was sort of wondering what the rationale for Brazil was Tim Miller actually challenged me on that from from the bull work and I that so it's great to understand the rationale there final question to you Steven is about defunding the sanctuary cities of all of the insults to our immigration laws and common sense immigration jurisdictions are the sanctuary city jurisdictions are the most appalling to me.

21:49President Trump has announced that he is defunding them starting very soon what can you tell us about that decision and how will it be enacted. Yes well you know as we as we discussed earlier I mean sanctuary cities are the backbone of the legal insurrection against the sovereign authority of our government right in other words of the the sovereignty of the country. The idea that we have borders and we have laws and we have immigration rules and and therefore obviously the city should not be receiving federal funding the Department of Office or sorry the Office of Management and Budget OMV is working on a plan to implement that directive and we'll be providing more update soon but that's rust vote but the basic concept is very straightforward which is that we can't be providing funding to people entities. People entities institutions that are effectively trying to nullify the entire structure of our federal government and the the backbone of our entire system of living the point is that you cannot provide funding to entities that are engaged in a form of legal insurrection against the federal government in other words there's a single immigration law for the whole country.

23:15These are states and cities and jurisdictions that are harboring and shielding illegal aliens particularly criminally legal aliens from the reach of the federal government and that is of course a direct willful purposeful to front the whole structure of our republic the idea that again we have a single national immigration law for the whole country. We don't get different immigration laws for different cities in different states and the federal law enforcement has authority and sole authority to enforce federal immigration law just to go back to my point earlier on the Department of Justice the this administration will be very clear what has been committed from day one to restoring democracy and let's be very clear what that means because this is the kind of thing where there's deliberate there's willful stupidity deliberate deception on the part of the media when they discuss this issue this is a very clear understanding this. The American people elected president the American people left to Congress the American people do not elect a bureaucracy.

24:22The degree to which unaccountable power is vested in the hands of bureaucrats who ignore the law who ignore elections who ignore the Constitution to pursue their own agenda that agreed to which that is the case in equal measure we are less free right in equal measure we are less of a republic. This is a this is a zero sum proposition right either we have decision making that is made across our government by by duly appointed individuals as a result of a democratically held election or we have the tyranny of a bureaucracy that pursues its own agenda at the expense of democracy and the American people that said we had to rush a gate in the Russia hoax and the Ukraine hoax. And every other hoax and sabotage the the the the entire scheme the whole coup to overthrow the president the from molar and wise men and all these people right and then of course later on Jack Smith all of this is a contest the struggle.

25:35Whether power belongs to the people and the right of the people to choose change to say I want a safe city I want a secure border I want to uphold our immigration laws right I want to have a government that's responsive to my needs and my desires I want to make sure their taxpayer dollars on Rob stolen and wasted the right of the American people to make those decisions. Versus the right of a bureaucracy to exercise and absolute veto over those decisions and if we have a bureaucracy that can veto the decisions that the American people made lawfully and correctly for the democratic process. The bureaucrats are going to have their own private and personal views but when they don't get a choice on is their loyalty to the republic the loyalty to the constitution and their loyalty to the laws of the United States and the idea that when an election is held. President gets a set the policies of the United States these things are not negotiable these things are not debatable and that's what is it play here Stephen thank you for so much of your time so much your insight I mean this that so much of the country the base looks up to you to set the pace so thank you for your time.

26:47We are we have experienced now the first year in living memory of net outflow migration out of the United States please for our audience explain how incredible what a huge accomplishment that truly is given all the barriers that have been thrown up in your path yes I mean thank you for raising that because it's such a reminder to everybody that you can't get you cannot get sucked into. Negative thinking you have to say you have to beat you to be yes put pressure on us yes demand the most demand the best stay honest like that fire. Make a stronger make us better make us tougher absolutely but we also have to march forward with optimism with. Purpose with a confidence and a belief in our ability to continue winning into a G victory and so the entire system judicial bureaucratic every part of it the NGOs all of it international pressures everything is stacked against us having solve a control over our borders and immigration system for the first time.

27:50In living memory United States had net negative migration this hasn't happened since the modern age this hasn't happened since air travel. It was widely available but the last day to putting up to go to was the time I wish the third world didn't have access to airplanes right like there weren't a lot of airports in the countries. At the that we're setting migrants to us that were that were responsible for all this immigration growth in recent decades so you have to you're going way back to a time period in which it was much harder for the third world the third world regions of the planet to empty out into the United States. And so this is an unprecedented achievement everybody said it would be impossible and President Trump achieved it and as a reminder that we need to stay positive we need to stay optimistic we need to keep moving forward we need to keep delivering for the American people. Stephen Miller deputy White House deputy chief of staff and homeland security advisor you are the architect of so much that is holding the base together that is keeping us optimistic that's you let us know that we are moving forward so please continue on sir we have your back 100% and you're doing great work what you have turned the Titanic in a single year you secured the border.

29:09The Trump administration is doing phenomenal work we have your back thank you for your time. Thank you it's all because of President Trump no president in American history as accomplished more he's a more in a year than our greatest presidents have done in eight years so keep supporting your president keep supporting President Trump keep rallying behind the flag keep rallying behind this administration thank you. Yeah well done thank you Stephen Miller we hope to have you back on thank you as soon as these stories anytime evolve that was so good just it's so I mean he was in the first administration he did a lot in that first administration yet it's still it's they accomplished a lot in those four years and yet it's so clear they knew more of what they needed to do this time around there's more of a focus on it. And I'll be frank I think there's more resolve to I think there had to be a few false starts that first admin this one there's much more of a let's be frank ruthlessness about it. Yeah well you know what their strategy is going to be totally great you have to beat it well and I remember thinking that the number one obstacle that we were going to have to overcome as a base as a movement was to not get weak need to not give into the sob stories to not give into the propaganda and so they're playing their old tricks again in Minneapolis they're thinking that this is going to break our resolve.

30:27Break our resolve and when you hear somebody like Stephen Miller who is an architect of the immigration program coming from the White House from President Trump. You realize that they are not going to fault they are going to double triple down if they have to invoke the insurrection act I absolutely think that they will whether or not they have to or it is a question but this is the test of this administration Stephen if you have any doubt if you have any doubt of their resolve listen to Stephen Miller listen to that back we're going to post that all over social media as well. It's a brand new year and a brand new opportunity to change the world for the better this is one of our most important partners it's easier than you might think you can save babies by providing ultra sounds with pre-born together during this sanctity of human life month we're going to save babies right here on the Charlie Kirk show to show the world that not only do we believe life is precious but we're going to do something about it your gift to pre-born will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice. What better way to start this new year than to join us and saving babies and twenty eight dollars a month will save a baby a month all year long a fifteen thousand and I know there's some of you out there that can do this a fifteen thousand dollar gift will provide a complete ultrasound machine that will save thousands of babies for years and years to come and will also save moms from a lifetime of regret.

31:48So start this year right by being a hero for life call eight three three eight five zero two two two nine that's eight three three eight five zero two two two nine or click on the pre-born banner at Charlie Kirk dot com today. We do have Nick Frieders out on the line I'm so sorry that that we were supposed to have you much earlier and you've been such a champ waiting Stephen Miller what what can you do he's he's got a lot lot to say but thank you so much for joining the show I reached out to you Nick because I I see and you somebody after Charlie with we lost Charlie after he was killed. There is certain voices certain names certain personalities with the right disposition the right internal constitution that I believe God is raising up and promoting to help bring you know we're we're filling the back lines here and reinforcing the front lines. So that is what you are one of those people so please just introduce yourself to our audience and and welcome.

32:52Oh gosh well I'm honored it was an honor to actually get to speak it at Ampest this year you guys did an incredible job it was a wonderful tribute to Charlie but yeah just a little bit about me as of yesterday I'm no longer a member of the Virginia House of delegates but I served as a state legislature legislator there for 10 years before that I did some time in the United States Army with 82nd Airborne 25th Infantry did a couple of combat tours in Iraq with first special forces group but but more than any of that. I'm a husband and a father I've been married to my high school sweetheart for 26 years I tricked her into marrying me we had a very very small graduating class you have a lot of options and and then we have three wonderful kids 22 20 and and 18 so yeah that's that's just a little bit about me. So funny backstory here is my wife follows you on Instagram and she kept going you need to get this guy on the show you need to get this guy the show and I kept saying you know I don't have a contact for him but I'm going to figure it out we'll figure it out and you know and then you're at Ampest and I'm showing picture you on stage my wife which is like when you finally get him on the show I said yes we absolutely will.

34:02It's so much of what you say resonates with exactly what Charlie would say you have this such a a drum beat about family marriage faith owning your your own block taking responsibility for your own action so much of your political commentary originates out of that just like it did for Charlie explain why that's important to you and explain I believe it's the path forward I believe that we don't get we don't have a country if we lose our virtue and that seems to actually be the core of your message. Oh no it's it's absolutely true I was listening to you know people are arguing about this now on the right we're having this internal battle and we have some people arguing for more liberty and some people arguing for more order and the bottom line is if you want us if you want a civilization that actually has ordered liberty where we can actually work and cooperate and create and build together. Then virtue has to be a part of that and how do you achieve that if you don't have if it's not built upon something that actually provides something transcendent if you want objective truth and objective morality I got news there's only one place I know to actually find those things and that's the Christ and I think one of the things that I was admired so much about Charlie was that it is become very very easy and popular on the right to talk about what we're fighting against right because every day we get new examples of what we're fighting against.

35:19But I think Charlie understood that the best soldiers are not the people that hate what they're fighting against the ones that love what they're fighting for and so what you put the emphasis on your relationship with God the relationship you have with your spouse your children that's what actually gives you the energy it's what gives you the discipline sometimes when motivation may may fall a little bit short to keep going and to keep fighting because when you know what it's for all of a sudden the obstacles don't seem so great. Yeah, I think that's really well said and we you know I have to do a better job of that of promoting what we are for what we because we love this country I always say I was born here I'm going to die here my kids were born here they're probably going to die here it's probably true for my grandchildren God I hope so and I love this country so much that I'm willing to to step into roles that I never imagined for myself especially after Charlie I'm willing to to continue putting it all on the line for this country and when you say stuff like that it really inspires me. Nick and you know you but you again you have taken your faith and you put it into action not only in Virginia but you know I'm looking at your Twitter feed and you're you're talking about the primary season we should be replacing week with

36:30publicans in safe districts this is what you will have the best chance of winning and the others will get the point so you are somebody that then takes your faith your your convictions your love of this country you're putting it into action explain why that's important I could because a lot of people people you know I think it's like Poso will say this a lot it's like you know look at all the black pillars the dooms show me which ones have done anything show show me which ones have gotten out and chasing ballots that have knocked on doors and you will you will separate the week from the chaff really really quickly oh no he's absolutely right the people that the people that are most convinced were doomed have probably put in the least amount of effort to save anything and I think when when we look at okay what is the strategy going for the thing I'm always going to start with is what is the thing you have most control over in your life because if you're spending hours of time on campaigns and on social media debating with people that are not even going to give you a fair hearing while in the meantime your children are being doctorated at school I'm going to argue that you're probably not investing your time where it can have the most the most impact so focus on that first what can you do about

37:36yourself what can you do about your family what you can do about your family your community et cetera but then when it does come to the political world the other thing that's been frustrating is watching people behave as if well there's there's no real difference between the two parties we had 300,000 people that showed up to vote for governor Glenn Youngkin that didn't show up to vote in this last election and you look at what Democrats are doing in the first 24 hours they've taken control they're trying to turn Virginia into California and it's like look no you have to participate in the political process I'm not saying you got to run for office I'm not saying you got to make it your whole life right but this idea that you're going to stand back because you're either above all of that or well you just don't feel like that's what they should be talking about from the pulpit garbage it's done I'm sorry you're not going to find biblical justification for that what you need to be doing is focusing on how do you be salt and light in every area that you and encounter with and then how do you be obedient to what God's laid out is your purpose in this life and one of those realms is the political and these people that will say well make you know you can't

38:36legislate morality 10 years in the general assembly you want to know how many bills I voted on that had no moral premise zero all legislation is built upon a moral premise and so whereas I don't believe that we can prostilize through the sword I don't believe that we're supposed to use government as a mechanism to compel people to believe what I believe about God by the same token all law is predicated upon some sort of moral principles I would like my moral principles to be represented in that law and so I do believe I have an obligation to go out and to speak about these things and and to not only let my arguments speak for themselves but also the way I live my life to speak for itself because one of the reasons why so many young people were attracted to what Charlie had to say was not simply because he gave incredibly good academically and intellectually rigorous arguments but when you took a look at that guy's life his marriage his relationship with his kids his friends that was something to wear no matter what they would be told in college they could look at that and say

39:36I don't know what it is and I don't know what the source of it is but that guy's got it and and I want it that's somebody who's worth listening to not because he's got a degree that he's pointing to but because he's got a lifetime worth of accomplishments at a young age that I would love to emulate and that's the thing that we need to do more of is actually demonstrate to people what it is that they're fighting for and nobody did it better than Charlie I think that's actually an incredibly powerful point there Nick that we say we ran into so many people who would say I disagree with Charlie on XYZ thing but that magnetic pull because he he lived what he preached so well and people have seen so many hypocritical politicians so many hypocritical public figures hypocritical preachers and pastors we saw up close and we saw it was real it was all real and I think people could see that that all of us who are around Charlie were such big we could testify so genuinely to see in that and I love that you you speak to that that's the one of the strongest things that you can offer and it was always funny because Charlie would run into that where people would say oh Charlie

40:38you know I disagree with you at XYZ but I love all you've accomplished and you just say what's stopping you look why do you disagree you can have all of these same things and it ties into what you just said which is it is so important I think especially when we've been getting these emails where it's like how do we come together the country's fraying apart that Charlie believes strongly in representing a position to advocate for especially when the right is so defined currently by just being an ad hoc coalition of people opposed to the left our biggest weakness is the sense that we don't have a strong affirmative premise what would we do if the left disappeared we need to have enhanced her to that and I think Charlie offered that I think you're able to answer that question but a lot of people can't and that's a big weakness you have to overcome I want to remind you about a pharmacy we trust and recommend especially right now and it feels like everyone's getting sick flu cases are up viruses are going around if you're a family you know your kids are sick but all family pharmacy is here to help you access medications you need

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42:45deal deal house of delegates the crazy. They always get creative we have our own special name exactly it's Virginia we were like first all right so we get bring back the house of Burgesses don't don't pull that they have to call out the house of Burgesses if they're going to play you know it's like I always think of Virginia and I I think of you know George Washington and I think you know the the the sort of rural agrarian they should all have to have the wave statesman I love that stuff Virginia should be a red state but that's a this is we the immigration there's a full circle to Stephen Miller demographic replacement in Virginia replacement by bureaucrats by bureaucrats yep exactly northern Virginia but if you're going to be a Republican working in DC you probably want to live in northern Virginia it's still the best I mean let's hope let's hope it stays that way. So Nick what are you fighting for distillate as you can. Sure I mean first and foremost it's this idea if you were to ask kind of what we think our mission is it's the idea of godly men and women becoming godly husbands and wives becoming godly mothers and fathers because the idea is as you show me a country comprised

43:45of those sorts of people and also your country's politics you don't got to worry about right so so it always starts with this idea of okay as a man what what am I trying to do to be the sort of man that god wants me to be to be the sort of man that my husband or my my wife needs that to be the sort of man that my children need and when I'm focusing on those things what what ends up developing as a consequence of that is I get a lot closer to being the sort of man that my community needs and my country needs and so I want people to once again be focused on what is their obligation to god what is their obligation to their family and then how are they developing the the spiritual emotional physical personal intellectual you'll also be able to do that with respect to my country I want a I want a free country but what what does that mean I want a free country that is actually rooted in the idea that the only way that you can have a liberty that makes any sense is that if you actually have a culture which is committed to truth which is committed to virtue and so when I look at the way that our founders actually formed this government I think they were onto something it was this idea that we're going to reserve the vast majority of decision-making

44:50power to the individual citizen to the extent that we have government fine at the local level they're going to be the ones that deal with the things that are the most intimate to your day-to-day lives then we have the states which are also supposed to operate a sovereign entities within their jurisdictions and when it comes to the federal government it's only going to worry about those things which genuinely impact the country as a whole the federal government was never meant to micromanage our education our health care our economy Stephen Miller is 100% accurate when we say that the federal bureaucracy is one of the greatest threats to a free people ever because those bureaucracies have they have goals and objectives of their own which run contrary to a free state and so I I want a government which once again understands its proper role I would argue in God's created order you know again keep us safe and force contract law make sure that nobody is invading the country but I don't need a government to try to play daddy for everybody I need a government to stay within its proper role so that free people can figure things out through

45:51voluntary cooperation and I think if we could get back to that point of understanding that if you really want to be free then that also includes a great deal of personal responsibility and and Adams probably said it best when he said our constitution is written for a moral and religious people and is totally unsuited the government of any other and so it it's about once again recognizing that if we can if we can have that shared commitment for objective truth objective morality if we can understand the author of objective truth and morality then I think we can have this sort of place where we're so good at governing ourselves and in our daily interactions with our family with our friends with our community that the idea that we would need the government to try to run in and micromanage all these aspects would just seem absurd to it you know it's just such a it's such a paradigm shift what you're describing that I just so many people would not even be able because the left has let us down this path for basically a century of big brother government taking care of us that to fully feel empowered to enjoy the totality of your individual

46:52agency will it really will take a revival I really believe that and here's I just this is the Charlie Kirk show here's Charlie in his own words I think describing exactly what you're talking about with a student on campus 459 the practical solution we don't have to think we need to point people to God and eventually to Jesus Christ and that is the city people need to humble themselves before the Lord they need to go back to church they need to get married before they have sex they need to stop engaging in debauchery and limitless amounts of drinking and the sins of the flesh and understand that there's a God who loves them that wants them to live a certain way and it's not a matter of the feminist movement or the black lives matter movement we need a movement that is centered around spiritual eternal principles but a revival will only happen with repentance and repentance is at odd with pride there is a God and we are not him those two things are fundamental towards having hopefully the humility of getting in front of your creator understanding that you

47:52fall short of the glory of God with the eyes on the cross and understanding the significance of what the cross is and what it means for your life hmm I just love hearing him just preach it just preach it repentance that line about repentance just got me go ahead well I think it's also I've noticed this you know since Charlie since Charlie was murdered I've spoken at several universities to include Cal Berkeley right which is not exactly a fashion of conservative thought and it is amazing to me how few questions I get on politics at least in compared to what I would have gotten a year ago the vast majority of questions I'm getting now are about how do I be a better man how do I raise a sort of family I want how do I how do I how do I continue to foster an important relationship with God and I had I had one student actually Ann M. Fess come up and he goes how do I stand up for my faith when it's so difficult and I said why is it difficult and he goes well just my my peers you know my peers don't don't share my worldview and I said so why is it difficult and he goes well well my my college professors you know they they will criticize I said once

48:56again I'm not trying to be a smart allocator why is it difficult and what he was getting to is that there's there's social there's academic consequences there's there's potentially economic consequences I looked at him I said look I'm not discounting those but here's what I will tell you every time you suffer anything no matter how minor your immediate response should be thank you God that I could suffer something for your name said because as soon as you take in that attitude then every time it happens you're not upset you're smiling because you know what it represents and if you actually want to foster the kind of mindset that can save your country that's it because you're not going to do it apart from the revival side because why are we doing all this secular humanism it's not as if we're not living in an environment which has been inextricably shaped by secular humanism for the last several decades is anyone happy with it it's amazing to me that when I when I actually mention Jesus when I mention the Bible I will have people on our side that will say Nick I like what you have to say but can you leave God out of it no

49:58he's the author of what I'm talking about it would it would be plagiarism for me to suggest that these are just Nick Freitas's idea they're not I'm ripping them off but here's what I would ask you to consider if you if you trusted Charlie and you you agreed that he could give really good arguments if you can look around at the world right now what's actually been governing up until this point and come to the recognition that the people least happy we think we're unhappy with what's going on with woke go look at the charts of the people most likely to actually be diagnosed with a mental health issue and it's young women between the eighties of eighteen and twenty nine who identify as liberal they are the ones suffering the most from what they have accomplished and at this point I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to say we're advocating for something else and and the answer is not just in the arguments that we use it's not just in the logical consistency or effectiveness of the arguments and the way that we construct them it's actually found in the way we live our lives and the results of those actions in that world view I don't like I I don't

51:02want to cut you out of this I if you have no please bow me he's he's got a good you sound like a lot like Charlie I mean in a lot of ways yeah yeah which is which we need because we need them we need a lot of Charlie's so Nick I have a question spiritual battle light versus darkness I mean how much of that do you see whether it's the infighting on the right whether it's some of the progressive ideology the Marxist ideology how much do you think this defines our current moment is it overused is it underused I challenge anyone to just go with an open mind and read the book of Romans and not think it provides a perfect example of what we see going on around us it's this idea of people being totally given over to a way of thinking that bears no free forget morality it bears no resemblance to reality when when you have Supreme Court justices where you have people arguing behind before the highest courts in the land that cannot make distinctions between a man or a woman is because they're terrified of the political implications I think we have to understand

52:06that there's a spiritual component here yeah and by the way believe in God the believing in the spiritual should be obvious and logical I think the spiritual component cannot be undermined it it has to it has to lead it can't just be this side component where we think if we make a really good economic argument that'll win the day we've seen what happens when you actually have a conservative movement that is obsessed with the economic but then gives up on the true moral issues of our day and it and it turns out that Democrats are or leftists are woke this they don't mind moving to your state to take the tax advantages and then all of a sudden push their indoctrination within your school system so I think we have to understand what it is that we're fighting for on the fundamental level and I think the key to this is that when you look at young men and you look at the the overwhelming numbers for which they are returning to the faith where they're trying to look at something that will actually give them an identity that is that is transcendent um that's incredibly encouraging that that tells me that the right questions are being asked within the next generation because they're not just interested in how they get onto a campaign or how do they run for office

53:08they're actually interested in the things that are virtuous and moral and noble and just and by the way they want to cause to fight for they want to risk something for what they believe they just want to make sure it's worth it and as they walk back into our churches right now the most important message I can send out to the men in those churches is you have a generation of young men looking for answers looking for truth and they want to be honorable what do they find when they walk into your church because if they find weak men if they find men that are unwilling to stand for anything if they find men that are unwilling to accept risk if they find men that may talk a good game but don't live it out I promise you they have other options to listen to because the one thing I know is woke loses woke loses no matter what you do not win a war you do not fight a revolution you not run a country with people who define themselves by their mental illness that does not happen so young men will determine the outcome of what happens next the question is is that they're going to listen to the sort of men like Charlie Kirk or they're going to find answers somewhere else and if they find answers somewhere else this can get bad really quick hmm well said all men have

54:14need of the gods it depends on which one you will follow Bob Dylan said something like that too also Homer yeah the ancient Homer not yeah Bob Homer Bob Dylan Homer I Blake is our is our history buff here and we're grateful for him I want to respect your time I know Steven Miller went long and so we had to sort of compress our time with you Nick I hope you will come back on with us soon I think you have so much to offer I just want to full circle why I thought it was important to have you want is because I do believe God is raising up more leaders that are going to be more and more prominent and you're one of those so thank you for making the time for us today we appreciate it it's my honor thank you yeah God bless you for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to Charlie Kirk dot com