Knock on or Play on? Gordon Stars & Forza Italia!

0:00Hello, Tammy. Welcome into your next hitter between two posts. What a weekend. It was some madness in the six nations. A Reds Brumbies game that went down to the 83rd minute big signings in the world of super rugby as well for one of the Aussie sides. It's massive. And to break it all apart, Nick Fibs, our weatherman from Japan back from the Northern hemisphere in Morgantown or Morgantown, it's great to have you. Thank you so good to have you back with us and congratulations, Morgantown. The addition of another little thing to the crew. I'm getting more good luck and congratulations for you. Yeah, so you're four. In the fight now, yeah. Valentine. Love the name. Yeah, Mrs. and Valentine doing well, so all good back in the fifths house, I'll very busy. So good. That in our four fours. Oh, that'll be done there, though. You're a four. Yeah, well, you can do the Mark Chisim and say, we'll have one more and have twins. Oh, cheers. That's how they end up with five and adds three and it up with twins. That's large areas. Four fellas, hell of a weekend.

1:02Two F1, hell of a weekend down there too. So good. You should have seen the people in the paddock fellers. So your team mates, Drew Mitchell, Makido, they were there with the Alpine team. They would have been dining out on that. Jordan, my latter. He was there. Delta was in the house and the shark, Greg Norman. I got a touch greatness. How good. He's ripped mate. You should see how big he is. Still got it. Shredded. Shark still shredded. That was yesterday. Where do we start? We start with Zach Lomax, which is Monday. We've got a new addition to the world of Super Abbey, the Western fours have picked up the former eels, dragons, origin, kangaroos, wingar slash center. Two years. We've got him for how good to have a name like that in the world of rugby. It's good to have him. I think the more we sort of get the best talent in the game, the better the game's going to go, obviously there's so much talent in the outside backs in the wall of his. Whether he's got a big task ahead of him to work his way, not only into the fours team, but potentially the wall of his team. But I think he's going to be a great addition. It's good to have these

2:05big name signings coming across the game being eager to be a part of it. Yeah, absolute no brain of this sound. I'm glad they move very quickly. You've got to remember, too, of course, that in his mind Zach Lomax. I'm talking to his management firm and the people around him. He had in his head he was going to play rugby. Of course, there's going to be R360 originally. So he sort of got his head around what it would take physically and skill wise to play rugby as intrigued by the sport. Then he went and visited, obviously, Perth in January. So he's done all the background work when he thought he was hopefully coming to Union. So he's been over hearing that he resonated very well with Simon Cronon and his coaching staff was impressed with the environment, the program over in Perth, and that this Western fourth decision came pretty quickly, remembering he'd done all of his homework already to play rugby, but he's had chats to the wall of his coaching staff and, you know, a few other people in the game. So it's actually quite a considered decision, even though once the court case news came through last week, it moved quite quickly. I think Crony runs a really hard breakdown area as well. So I'd love to be a fly on the wall, to see him hit his first breakdown in a training. See how he adapts to the the Union style, but I think he's going to be

3:06great for the game. I think one on one is with Carlos Casano at the end of training. A little bit of extra. What position will you likely play? Straight wing. Well, it's the same thing as a suile e, right? If you come across as a rugby league convert, the easiest place to play is on the wing in the back three. And then from there, I know he wanted to be a center in rugby league, but I would have thought wing straight away, especially as it's now. This is not Joseph suile e or Angus Cright, and we're waiting to a spring tour or waiting for the end of the season. He's a training tomorrow, if not today. He's over there, he's getting settled. His bags are packed. The best place to find him would be in a number 23 Western fourth jersey within a fortnight, hopefully, 20 minutes of power off the bench on the wing and go from there. He's a big boy, too. Like you could play him anywhere, but I think getting settled in in the middle of the season, chuck him on the wing and then, you know, when options start to open up, he can find a different homes, whether that be fullback, insides and outsides center. I can't wait to see how he goes. And starting to build some strike power over in the West is Cronkless. James Ramms coming back, too. They can play. We know how good Darby Lancaster is. So low max is going to be with the Western fourth

4:10for a manner of this year. Fellas, we've got to go back to Saturday night. One of the wildest, craziest, most nuts, so evenings in the capital. I think we have had Morgan Turenoe. We've been down there a hell of a lot and, uh, Fang, you cannot believe the lightning pregame. The place, it was like the ball at the quest to come. He's to get in there. That's a slow mo that Stan put up of the lightning, just streaking across the sky. I was hitting the stadium roof and had a horn literally jumping. Yeah, the lighting was absolutely completely wild, bucketed down. I mean, it was, as Justin Harrison mentioned, it was like the 50-year storm from, uh, from Point Park. The two-way out, the two-way pregame as well. That's full credit to Stan. This was the one that hit us. Mate, the whole joint shook. That's when you know you've run out of things to say. It was like, well, I keep flicking over and I was just like, you know, it just worked out and there. It's

5:15about about 20 years ago how good he was and like, then I'd flicked back and they've got Lord on there. We obviously have a bit of a run down with what you're going to do. You got some tape pieces. They were gone half an hour before the warm-ups. They used them all. So that's what was left. It was, it was, uh, I'll tell you what, you guys and, uh, Swainy and Ellie did an awesome job to keep that tick and over up until kick off. And then when the game actually eventually finally did get started, uh, if she was wet, she was, um, pretty heavy underfoot, but you wouldn't have known it because the brumbies were harming in the first ten. The skills on, on show in that wet weather and the physicality from both sides was really impressive and then credit to the top two teams in Australia, rugby like that. It was a cracking game, you know, a lot like the Crusaders Blues game across the ditch. The ball was flowing and the brumbies looked so good in tack and the reds conversely were so physical in the way they carry and the way they played the game. And then, you know, the brumbies are just touring some single lanes and the late in tries and, you know, a really good show for the game, I think.

6:17Well, twelve new after ten minutes and you thought, okay, well, the brumbies are the ones that have coped with if they've come out. They're going to blow this reds team away. The reds team that haven't had joy in Canberra a lot or very recently. Um, and then that's what you thought. That's it. The brumbies are in control. More of what we've seen earlier in this season. Um, they're in cruise control, but to the reds credit. Do they bounce back and bounce back up? Yeah, and they got into their work by going a bit more direct, you know, it less kisses a big guy. He always talks about going north. All these work around attacking defence. We're going north, we're going north. I don't know how many times I saw Luke Khan and Harry Wilson and one of the big props in a pod like there's no way they haven't manufactured that because they just kept rolling around the corner. Heavy caries, big clean outs and they were like really grinding the brumbies down for stages there. They have the light and shade, don't they? We're a little bit like the Wallery sometimes you think it's just direct, direct, direct. And then you have to say that Wilson, McRite, combination, come to the fore and there was the change up. You thought for all money, Wilson, he's going to go outside to McRite. They're going to play. That was a great slide of hand. And then when they go to width, what kind of Gordon once again was better

7:19again? And um, and then when they went to width, with that long pass of his and see some of his decision making, it's great. Speaking of going to width, what about the work down the left hand side and the hands? As they chipped down that left hand touch line as bad as good as it gets, doesn't it, fellas? It'll set play here. Yeah, the the short sharp passing from both sides was so impressive on the weekend. The ability to move the ball around and commit defenders rather than just going straight to the space. Both teams are doing it so well. I thought both tens were impressive, Meredith and Gordon. I thought it was really good to see them play. They're probably two premier tens in Australia at the moment and you know, not an easy route for both of them to be getting back to their front. Yeah, it certainly wasn't then. This game went to and fro and to and fro for back of this because they didn't similarly get differently. Both teams were happy. And I suppose a lot of credit got to go to the match day management for getting the game on, but also the those the caretakers in charge of the deck. The deck drive out and deck was outstanding, which allowed. Well, that's simple, but it's also so efficient and it's implicit

8:19and I actually thought this would be an arm wrestle. Let's kick long. Let's go. All high doubles. There was a lot of catch pass, a lot of play in this match because the deck held up so well. Is that try better than praises against the high handers? After the Harry Wilson through the legs? Yeah, I like that one. Rugby-wise. That's a curious try. A curious dish. Yeah. Try the. It's not good. It's not good. It's not good. It's not good. Someone when we love what the super, never mind, we'll circle back as they say. And then just before half time, so with the were ebbing and flowing the extension of the leads and then Charlie Cale found his way over for his second. So that was seven. PD has up there. Seven tries and four games for Charlie Cale. It's really quick in tight. You're not going to stop that. But then the Reds land a really key penalty goal to go in up 20 to 19 at the break. We don't get any points for 23 minutes in that second half until your head finds his way over and then Rhyma goes in as well. So at that stage

9:24after Lucky Rhyma goes in, it's 11 points to lead and we've got six to go and we're talking about the Brumbies at home against the Reds. The Reds who have only one in the history of super rugby Pacific four times in the nation's capital. They're on a four game losing streak at all venues against the Brumbies and then you think and this is done. Let's get back to the Kingston hotel for a couple of cartons out of a tank through the copper. We're good to go. We've already been here for 17 hours. We're off. Yeah, well, I think we just ticked over to four hours on air there. It was four minutes to go. That's all those. We're on air for four hours and you thought, okay, well, that's the Brumbies have done what needed to be done. They ground out the back end. They came over to top Rhyma absolutely outstanding without the ball again at break down as was shot. And then even this one, you weren't sure whether it was a try and they just found a way the Reds. Yeah, you sort of thinking, oh, nice little leaving up at the end here, into the game. Even up. Yeah, you just like it made a really good game of it. And then, you know, once they get this kick off receipt, they just start going again. And, and she's that break down the right

10:27hand side to put them in position to, you know, climb away with that game was. Don't get ahead of yourself, and even the contour not get ahead of that try was takes the attacking bonus point of the Brumbies. Yeah, it gets the Reds to one. So even at the end of Brumbies, if they'd have got a ball, say off a little knock on, maybe or something, they could have gone for a bonus point in a attack. They could have gone for five points. They could have. And then something else happens. Okay. This moment has been the number one talking point out of this camera above all else. It is the kick receipt after Downgunu has scored that try. And it goes again in the direction of Filippo. And it looked for all money on camera three in the broadcast and live that it was a knock on from Downgunu. We haven't seen, I haven't seen this angle yet. So it catches it, bubbles forward, backwards off his hand. Does it hit McRite? Does it knock it on first? Which way is that ball down? Yeah, the camera angle on the night. That's gone forward. That looked knock on,

11:31but then there've been always new angles coming out. Look how far away McRite is from Downgunu. What angle is that one? That's off his old man, Glen. Gone. Right there. Right there. Here. Yes, so it hits his own hand and goes back on a second. So Downgunu McRite is not there. So the grainy of footage one is the one that shows the distance between the two of them. The one from someone's life from the crowd. Yeah, we've had the super rugby sort of referee review meeting this morning that they've sort of sent through some of those. So that's the one where you think, oh, it's bounced in the McRite for all money. So that's, you know, that looks like a logical one. I know TMO James Lekki at the time. You're not hitting his foot. No, this is the one, right? Look how far away McRite is from Downgunu. That's a hit. It's not like McRite's foot. It's not quite as off to the side. Look, look. Oh, sorry, sorry. No, it has hit him either. So when you, when you put them all together, this is what's happened. So on the sideline, don't forget the angle of the assistant referee is perfect to judge the distance between McRite. The assistant referee sees the distance.

12:35Damon Murphy, the referees. There's this amazing finish to the match. They walk off the field, taping each other on the back. Oh, he's well done, like no dramas was there there. James Lekki, the TMO up in there, remembering super rugby, the laws and the way they go about their process of the TMO. The TMO can only come in if there is an obvious error from the referee in the play leading up to a try, or if there's foul play at a yellow card red card level, or if the referee asks for health. Now, the referee's trio, they thought they didn't even think there was an issue. They didn't even think about anything that Downgunu did. They're at all. They're probably more worried about Downgunu's try than they were worried about that. So they're just wandering around thinking how good boy is. Let's go to Kingston for a beer. So James Lekki, he, I think he would have come in and said, hang on, knock on, if Pritchard scores in the right hand corner. So if we show, if we show the last bit, so they go long right the reds, there's a massive line break outstanding play from the reds. If he scores in the right corner, they go to Lekki and his initial thoughts are knock on. Now, maybe

13:39he finds all of those angles and it stands. Going to a scrum hurts the brummies and, of course, the reds were good enough to score at the end and win the game. So I think then once everyone saw our replay, even the referee's thought, geez, we might have got that wrong. So now we've got all the angles shorn, except for the one that you're asking for on camera three, what do you think? I mean, why would we roll in the only replay that we showed on the night? Why would we do that? Which totally looks like a knock on. However, it does now appear that they're referring crew have got it 100%. Which they all along, right? Which they may for you all along. Oh, they would have been worried about that replay. You reckon? Yeah, you would have been worried because it looks bad. Just doesn't show the depth. That's the issue. I'm only got that one footage on the left. The ball goes forward in the air of Flipper Dungunu, especially on that angle, and then immediately goes backwards off something. But it looks like it's the hip of McRype, but it's Dungunu's own hand. So, Damon Murphy, referring trio, you got

14:39it right. Well done, boys. Brumby's fans ain't going to like that, but you can't refute it. But I'll tell you what, we're not entering in an evidence ever again. Is the Zapruder film from row 400 in the Gregg and Larkham stand that's shot on a cascago calculator that would have been something in 96. AI. Is it AI, mate? It probably might be Slop. Might be AI Slop. Exactly. Because it's Black Coyote. It's just Black Coyote. Don't the little red sleeve for ageing. Don't the little red leggings come running. The little their colors run deep. I'd lean. Yeah. Slats. Atkinson. Okay, I'm running in defence of Dungunu and the referee and crew. Anyways, that sets up the chance of the match winner. So, let's have a look now at the match winner, Cardi Gordon, who had a night. It must be said. The line break, as you said, Fang. Beautiful work from John Campbell, who sighs them up in and away. He's in good form at the moment, John Campbell. And Pritchard is rapid. Absolutely. And John Campbell is probably the premier 13 in the comp at the moment for him to have the guards to make that line break down the right hand side,

15:40back himself. And that 18-year-old Pritchard, we need to see a best difficulty there. He is massive and rapid. He's built for the game. He'll say a lot more of him. But this try here, Cardi Gordon, backing himself, backing himself to Beatty's defender one-on-one. That's probably why he's got the running for the gold jersey later in the year, because it's these sort of things in big moment games where we need those guys to stand up. Great finish. Reds. So, they break that run of the outs against the brambies. I still, I mean, well done to them. I was just insane that they found a way late to get the result. They're well done to the Reds. That was about 11.30 as well. Yeah, it was just a weird night. It was so strange down there. It's the hell of a dummy. It's the best post game we ever did, because it was tough to interview. It's done after five minutes, five and 80. Still didn't have enough time to get into the King O. Fellas, we wanted it to be the match around and it proved out the right way for Reds and Brambies fans, despite the result going against those from the ACT. On Friday night, it was the Hurricanes V, the War of Tars,

16:44in Sydney, Humid Old Knight, similar down there in Canberra, Humid, really Humid. High Jew point, definitely. They're at the SFS and, well, the Canes didn't trouble them and the Tars clearly did. They were off. Yeah, it was definitely a tough day at the office for the Tars, especially because, you know, they started the season so well, we had a lot of belief. First few games in the season, you see that War of Tars Ford pucks that are really dominating the game and the outside bucks were just starting to click and I think it was really telling that the Hurricanes post much. They spoke a lot about how they had to set the platform through their shoulders and how the Krifi spoke a lot about the physicality they had to bring. I think for the War of Tars, first time in a long time that they had actually been hunted, because they started so well. Hurricanes knew they had to bring their A-game to be able to combat them at home and the physicality was obviously that what they wanted to bring and they brought it in spades and I think what's most concerning for the War of Tars is that they sort of held on first half, but that third quarter just, that's when we sort of went to

17:48water a little bit and went up to the front line battle where you've got to get nose on, nose, you've got to keep going on each other and I think the War of Tars will be soul-searching a little bit after that. Michaela will not like that at all. McCaffrey is well there. Two big physical guys, they love that contact zone, so it'll be interesting to see how that dance back this work. Yeah, talking about Michaela and Michaela, they've got a decision to make the War of Tars. They're all in on this up and close defence, come in and try and pick someone lines, which tactically fine at the moment. They're just not good enough at it. And if you didn't watch all of the coverage on Saturday night and you'd be excused if you didn't, this is Saturday night, the Reds Brumbies game. We had a great chat to Laurie Fisher in the world's longest pre-match and he had a quick, just a quick chat about all the teams. I love talking for you with Laurie Fisher. He always learned something and he was a little bit similar. He's noticing that the War of Tars are individually coming up, especially under pressure off turnover, off unstructurable and trying to solve things individually. Michaela and Michaela, we have a lot of work to do in a short space of time to work

18:49out. One, if they're very committed to what they're doing, which is fine, but they've got to get much better at it. They've got to know when sometimes you've just got to be neutral, sometimes you got to be passive, use a sideline, what we call jockey defence way too. You've got the right numbers and push them in the sideline. You cannot blitz every single phase. Sometimes if you lose a contact, you can't blitz phase on phase thing. I think that's the big one. Hurricane showed that it's also, it's not an either-all rugby. You got to show up physically, yes, like they did, but they asked a lot of questions of the War of Tars out wide from the beginning of the match and the Tars at the moment that had the answer. Yeah, and you've coached to that level, so you know, that rush in and out indeed is so good if you get it right, but if you're just slightly off, you're giving those soft shoulders and the ability to play that flyball over the top, and that's when you start to get cut apart. So you're right, it's a decision now and do you stick with it and just say, now we're just going to get better, or do you find a way to tweak it a little bit, so it's not so high-line, so you sort of cover both bases. Yeah, and a couple of things I'll show you, I know it's getting a bit wordy, but one, the suile late scratching,

19:51one, I think he carried a bit of hamstring niggle through the week, so it wasn't a brand-new injury, and it's, I think he did it a bit worse, it sounds like he's out for a couple of months maybe, but also, you lose your 13, who you'll know, Fang is often your, your martial, your decision, make your communicator in that kind of defense, isn't he? He sets everything, doesn't he? He sets whether you're doing that rush D this time, or you're doing this off D the next time. So losing him so late in the game, especially poor man like quality player, I thought he did a great job when he was thrown in so late, but he wouldn't have had the reps through the week, not just the week as well, like, so while he's out now 13, I don't think he was getting many reps through preseason, through all the trial games, so he'll take a little bit of time to settle in there, but losing him so late, I think, really put them on the back foot, and then the hurricanes, when they smell weakness, you know, that they go in those exact areas where they can attack. And then the other part of it, the ordering of the way they play, so they went to width, and then a couple of cross kicks, a couple of kicks in behind, the chip off first phase in the attacking 22 against the World Tars, you saw because of all the stress they'd put the World Tars under,

20:53Andrew Keloay is 20 metres outside the ball, trying to close the last attacker, because he knows what's happening, there's no backfield coverage off the line-out or the blindside, so they just, they'd picked apart completely the World Tars defence to the hurricanes, outstanding. So it's 12-7 and 12-17 rather, Tars trailing at half time, but it's the second turn where it completely gets away from them, and we've got highlights to roll in from some of the carnage in that second half, so Billy Prokter got them started and so all their big names start popping up, Prokter is in all black now, and all the big names start to fire, the passes start sticking. What are you doing that situation when they're just a team catches fire like that? How do you shut it down, fellas? Yeah, well the hurricanes 4-8, I think, were the best on the field all night, and setting them up for the space out wide. You know, yet shields, durns, like high flanders and kerriffy in there, just going to work through the middle of the field, and then providing those

21:54ball running options out wide to provide the space for those outside backs. I thought, you know, Barrett was unreal like that, the way they just flowed the game, we call it a lot of game flow in our game, the flow, whether you hit that forward pot, then you play the second pod space out the back. You've got options. The way that they could just keep the ball and the momentum moving around the field, really stress the waritas, and when you get a roll on those Kiwi teams, it's very hard to stop that sort of attack, and then win back momentum in that second or third phase. Yeah, I think the answer to your question is that momentum, Chatley, the waritas started chasing the game because they had to, it got into unstructured touch-footing, who that's not the waritas, suited a hurricane scene with confidence, with a great clear plan with varied options of every plan. The waritas actually had to go back to a little bit of set piece, a little bit basic, a little bit more direct, just cut the error right down, and then, Sarley almost might be bored the hurricanes and make them come back and play a different kind of rugby. They did the opposite, it got loose and chased, chased, chased. If Jorgensen doesn't take that intercept and

22:57Sid Harvey takes a slip catch in the back with a kick that was going past him, it could have been 80. It was the 18 turnovers, that's, you know, they had so much pressure, Sid Harvey actually spoke about after the game, like, trying a few more things and he wouldn't usually try because they're chasing the game. Is the 18 turnovers that really killed him? Because then they're just, they're not holding the ball, they're getting the hurricanes running out and running out and running out and they'll eventually break. Question for you, I'll give you the option again this week, like I did last. Who ends the season with more tries? Jorgensen or Kale? Because Jorgensen on the other night again was just the first one. You can choose. You know, one of those two, Kale obviously leads by one. Jorgensen 6 through 3 now, Kale 7 through 4. Who do you want? Kale. Okay. Jorgensen. Fips, you're my witness and it's for a double or nothing bottle of triple or nothing. Triple or nothing? Yeah, it's all right. I mean, I've got no room left in my hotel. I've got all these reserved sides. I'm waiting. He's so good. Even less space there.

23:59Yeah. And that's Cam Royguard, don't forget. I don't know how he did that. The thing about Ford scoring lots of tries is that the rest of the Ford's get quite jealous of it. They won't want that. All right. So the wing is they're supposed to score. But 14 guys need to do their job for Jorgensen sometimes. You know, there's the intercept of the individual ones. Yes. But everyone's going to do their job there. Kale, in tight, little pick and go. He's got a one centimetre one on the record. Yeah. That one's worth as much as Jorgensen 8. That's true. You and I can split the rum and he can't hear that he's going to wear a spot. There was no boo boys. There's nobody going to get paid up. We're still, we're going to pay it up, those boys. So the tarz, we've got a ton of work to do. They've got the reds this week up at Suncorp and it is going to be a week of a lot of soul searching after copying 50 from the Cains over in New Zealand on Saturday afternoon under the roof. But still in the sunshine. It was a Highlanders and a force going at it. Guys, a force. They've had a massive crap. Probably should have won this game. To be honest, game's a chance. Again, they lead at half time. They let in New Zealand sites.

25:02So they let the blues over in general up a couple weeks back. They've led the Highlanders, but then couldn't hang on in the second half. And it took some pretty special ropey from the Highlanders to get that win too. Yeah. I thought it was a great game, but the force definitely a big bounce back from the week before. A lot of their boys, the force forwards were working really hard, as they always do. The Highlanders, so I'm just playing with a lot of confidence that I'm playing in front of, running into the zoo in that second half. I think the thing that really let down the force was probably their discipline. You know, penalty count really didn't go their way and just gave a team like the Highlanders a lot more ball than they probably needed. And yeah, it was a great game of 40. I think the force will leave that game like confident. You know, they know that there was a few bright sparks out there and they just got to get a little bit better. They're playing the higher games next week, so it's not getting an easier for them. But a lot of a lot of good tries through the game. And I, you know, people like Donaldson Stewart, I thought they were a really good combination in the middle of the field there. I thought, clearly, it came on and added a lot when he got the opportunity. A lot of vintage,

26:07you know, wide outside ball plays. Yeah, I think they went to work, but ultimately they just couldn't, you know, hold the pressure right at the back end of the game there. I think you want to found his role, Curly Bill and the twilight of his career, just come on and make a difference. This is outstanding right on the strike of half time. There was almost a go for the line man, Donaldson, but he made it easy on the inside for Stewart as well and the kick right on half time. That was good. Those two were excellent, of course. I think for the force, the issue at the moment is almost a collective concentration. They have ebbs and flows in their game, but their ebbs cost them points. It's, you know, you can have a bad five minutes, but they sort of multiply those areas and they leak points and there's a, you know, a back three that's tangy-towell, Rato Mataviki, nibkins, Nareki, Nareki, I've always been a fan of with the injury troubles he's had. And then all the Kiwi teams, of course, the good teams make you pay in short time. Yeah, and, you know, the force were in control of that game. They then go behind, but then they lose the bonus point

27:10right at the end there. They're the little things that are probably separating the force from those other teams, being able to pinch losing bonus points or winning bonus points and that sort of puts them down the ladder where they probably, they're playing a lot better than where they look in the ladder there. Yeah, they've got a good 32 or 33 minutes to half in them. They've just got a build from there. He's hoping for him to get them dialed in for the duration going forward. Fellas are the other game that was rolled out on Saturday afternoon, was a bluesvither Crusaders. Again, in the sunshine in Auckland, the first half was like outstanding. The sun set and so to do the point scoring, unfortunately, but God, the blues hit it running in Auckland. They were fantastic early on. Yeah, again, they wanted to win like the physical battle, loving the blues. They really, you know, they climbed into the Crusaders. They saw sort of an opening there for them. Clark was immense. He, you know, three tries. But Boat and Barrett got thrown in a 10 late. You know, young guy sort of earning his jersey there. He's got a chance to play 10 late because there are the 10 got injured. But, you know, having Boat and Barrett back,

28:12Papali playing his 100th game for the blues, they were, they were, they were into that one. They wanted that one really bad against Crusaders and, you know, made the Crusaders pay. The Crusaders picked quite a attacking backline, you know, having a 10-15 who are, you know, primary 10. So they wanted to throw the ball around and the blues just sort of ground them down through the middle, especially the lead by Papali. I think. Yeah, this is archetypal Cotter Ball. This is how Vern Cotter wants to play the game. He wants to absolutely drag forwards back into each other, forwards on forwards and go to town on another forward pack with his. They were hugely disappointed with their performance a couple of weeks ago in Dundalup against the force. And that's almost been a spark for them, I think. I think they bounced back out of that hard. And then that's why I look at how much space there is for Clark because opposition defenses are being sucked into deal with that physical battle that you always talk about. You know, as a 9, you just have to win it. There's nothing you can do as a 9 or 10 sometimes if your forwards aren't winning it. If you're a 9 and 10 with Boat and Barrett coming back into the blues too for bigger and bigger minutes

29:14off the back of that forward pack who seemed to have come alive again earlier this year than they did last year. They're dangerous again. And the stats didn't really tell the story either, like 60 minutes in, the blues are given by 11 penalties Crusaders too. That should have been wavering them into the Crusaders, but blues then kept the Crusaders schoolless in the second half. It was a really funny old game and not the Crusaders that were definitely not. That maybe used too much juice chasing down the chiefs in Hamilton last week, out of juice, the saders, blues hung on the spot. Everyone beating everyone. I know. So that validates the Reds win even more because the Brumbies beat the blues, blue smoke, saders, then Reds beat Brumbies, huh? The tarz-flog Reds. Now they're going to play each other again in Brisbane this week, isn't it? Yeah, yourself a Venn diagram and saw that one out. Fellas the other guy on the weekend was Friday night chiefs, V Monopsyvika, has expected plenty of points there on a Friday afternoon over in the Tron. We got to move to posties. I don't know if it's going to get straight in the posties because I'm saving up some space at the back end of this here thing for these six nations route because we were treated to all the

30:19all-time games on the weekend in the world of six nations. Before we hit that posties... Bang. That's our guest. And as a newly minted father of four, you get to do it first. Yeah, my one point was homey Stuart. Oh. I think Dono's been playing some fantastic footy there at the force, but I think that's primarily because of Stuart there. Just watching him when the ball wasn't in play on the weekend, I thought he was communicating really well. He's kicking game was great, he's courageous in defence. I thought he was great, great for Dono there to help the rest of the team as well. I've got about four different options down for each point. I've actually watched the force game twice. I went back and watched the tarz again and I can't find anyone in either of those matches that deserves points above the actors in the Reds Brumbies game. I thought that was a level above. And I've got one point, Filippo Dunguna. Took his chance, got an opportunity in the midfield. We talk a lot about how good he is without the ball, pressure over the ball. He kept them in the

31:20fight. Not just trying to win turnovers, but slowing ball down out while when the Brumbies had a roll on. He was dangerous with the ball. It's got that late try with some nice smarts and work. No, not going at the end, which helps probably secure the point. But I was very happy for him to see him back in the starting team. He took his opportunity. He always does take his opportunity. Dunguna, last year he was throwing into the Wallabies as well and he dominated. He never let you down. He never let you down. He's ready. Picking coach. Yeah, but again, like they shift the third aim with all the injuries. No dramas. You're not going to believe it. Don't go anyone. Really? Yeah, it's already with people. There are a lot of options there too. For all the reasons you just said. Just to clarify, I'm going to go all reds because you've got to have the winning team and when you wings have been as hard to come by down there as they have been for the Queensland exciting recent years, and I've got to be a red man today. And red it will be. Who's your two? Two are not a red. He's run long ago. I thought he was, he started the season as the best

32:20nine out of the Australian Nines. He's passing and his service this year has taken an absolute step above and it was already good. He was giving his forwards on the weekend. He's picking off on the short side, finding space, you know, kept the Brumbies going. And when the Brumbies were rolling forward, he was a big, big marker in that. He's kicking games great. And I really like what the Brumbies have done around the defensive shape in between the 22s. They've given that nine license to shoot out the back of that forward pod. Reese Webb does it really well for Wales and Ospreys. And it's just putting that pressure on the back on the playmaker. So they didn't have to play that really hard carry off the sideline through the forwards. I thought that's really smart. He didn't show away from that. That's such a good footballer. He's sort of stuck isn't it? Wallaby level because I think the Wallaby field Jake Gordon's are out now starting number nine. He's got their best pass. You know, it can add acceleration of the game. That's the belief in the Wallaby's anyway when they need it. And Tate, of course, is super sub who wants to be more. And Lonegan's almost stuck in the middle there somewhere, but he's now standing footballer.

33:22So yeah, so I went two, there's my two points now. Two points. I went, I wanted the Brumbies best player. Okay. Okay. That's how I got to my two-pointer. And at honorary mention, he's not going to get it to Declan Meredith. I thought he was outstanding. But when I went back and looked at Cale, he's my two-pointer. All the stuff in attack that we saw, but he made 14 tackles, good tackles with one miss in the tough stuff as well. I love the fact that he can vary getting in there, playing tight enough as you need to, but also all the stuff we saw about trying to scoring and being a threat. Why Charlie Cale, two points. Like it. Worse on to me, this kid can play. Yeah. He is quite, if you keep him cladding Thomas on the bench, who's a Wallaby now, as we know, he's kicking on goal was crucial. He's kicking out of the ham was great. I haven't seen him miss attack all this year. And he goes up weight division on weight division on weight division to drop jokes. He was so good for the reds the other night.

34:23And then when they had all those injuries, he and Cale only had the tag team that nine position. So to have the smarts nowhere to be and to alternate there, he's a tremendous footballer, Louis Worse on to me. Who have we got as our... Am I smelling three pyramids? She's a hoaxer. Now, I had a... It's funny. I had Carter Gordon down for three before he scored the matroning try. I thought the width on his pass on the weekend. He doesn't shy away from defense. He's kicking was good. His organisation around the back of those forwards was really important because he's got the cattle in front of him. He's how they then use it. So I thought he was really good in that space. And, you know, besides the cheeky F1 in the post match, I thought he was very good. Second pyramid, Carter Gordon, three points. You've mentioned all that stuff. Defensively, I thought he was great too. He's probably... Yeah, he's Australia's best defensive 10. A few times too, he comes up out of the line when they've got a good line set and wants to make

35:25a big shot on a big player. Love the physical nature. He's a bigger guy, a bigger body, and that's what we want to see from him. But he was like that beforehand. Yeah. He wasn't even the regular league. He was... I thought he was like that at the Rebels. Remember, he got a lot of traffic down his channel. I think he's always been like that. So I thought it was to serve the three points. It's feature time. I was just trying to dig out the... I was just trying to dig out the feature noise that we had on Queen of the Nile. When the three pyramids lob and land and fellers for all the reasons you've just said, he was tremendous. And I hope this trajectory continues for him as well after coming back to rugby. He was rusty last week against the Highlanders by his own mission office. Well, just tremendous. So good a same back. So good a same enjoy himself connecting with those boys. They're doing good things. It is three by three for Gordon. Posties. Done and dusted. Fellers on to the six nations, our round four app.

36:25And we have to start in Rome and start Olympic court where it was the Zuri breaking through for their first win against England in a history of their rivalry. 35 years. I think it's... He's more... Give or take just incredible stuff, truly incredible to take down the English. Yeah, and Steve Borswick, he put in nine changes for the English team this game. So he wasn't happy with the drumming they got against the Highland. And I'm not really sure where he goes to here. Italy was so good. And I remember when I played World 15 sort of two years ago, Lamara, you know, there's three or four Italian blokes and then I was like, who are these guys? They don't really seem where they come from. They were so dominant. They'd be good in any team. And Lamara was our captain and he was just so passionate, smart leader. He's leading those boys around so well. Their backs are obviously very good, but their forward back was that was the difference in the game, especially against like a backrow of under hill and curry and earls. You need

37:29to be good in that area to be able to keep the ball and score those troughs. Yeah, the limon, men on cello. Should be limon cello. Do they feel the grapple after it, Sean? Just trying to think who's a better centre in the world than him. Lenny, you tell maybe, just a pair of them like side by side, frighteningly good player and has been for years upon years. But this is not a flash in the pan. This is not an upset. I thought they'd win. I tipped them on rugby heavyweight. Yeah, I thought they'd win. When I saw the nine changes and you asked where does Bortwick go from here? It's England. He could become a centre link. He shouldn't. No, and they shouldn't. They're already out. They're all made the claws are out because they're like, he wants to play this style of kick pressure. They want to play this, you know, we're forcing pressure throughout kicking, but they're not picking the players to play that style. They're picking expansive players.

38:29So a lot of them like, you know, Ben Young's and Ben Cole were syncing their teeth into him yesterday, like they don't have any. He said he should bounce out as well. Well, they win 15 and a row or something before. She's made a lot out of it. Before the six nations, they were like, oh, we're the best. Yeah, they take the six nations and the Greens now with the World Cup afterwards. Yeah, life comes at your quick as a test coach, doesn't it? Oh, man, they forget. How quickly do they forget? The last try was fabulous as well from the Italians, Forts, boys, our men. Mono, you want it in there as well. Former Melbourne Rebel managed to free up some space and your man, Manitilla Gostro Morgz, and then they had, I think it was my ring on the inside. Yeah, and I think the Garbese, the nine that was brought in for Italy as well provided a lot of that wit to be able to play. And, you know, this is, this is Gutsi, the Crossfield kick with like eight minutes to go to back yourself there. And the passion

39:29that they had after the win, that was pleasure to watch. You love that sort of stuff saying, a good Italy team. And Karstie Mimeback winning the Bolivese dropped a couple of games against Italy. Yeah, there's no surely the worst team in the world. Like, they've been building for a long time. Yeah, they deserve these victories as well. Jamie Lyle, who commentary are they going with that beautiful big Scottish voice of his alongside Tom May. I'll chat to him last night. He said that the, so where they were in the gang, true, it started Olympic or all the Italian journals and presenters were around them. And they were all actually in tears over the closing stages. So they get that final penalty. And they were like grown men, grown women, everyone just balling their eyes out at the enormity of that win. So huge result. First time in 33 games. 35 was incredible. Extraordinary. But it's also, don't forget, because of six nations, it's going to cut through. This is a football mad country, of course. But that would have high viewership. Lots of people jumping on to watch it. But that has huge cut through for the Italian game in Rugby Union in the country. So good. Also, good Scotland against France. I tell you what,

40:33you clock off for a second with some of these games. And you come back to the TV and go, hang on a second. What just played out? Scotland trailed at one point, but then lead 40 to 17, 40 to 14 before France come back 50 to 40 full time. 40 onions and points. Scotland scored in that middle sort of from halfway in the first half to the third quarter. Yeah, the one sunny day in Scotland a year and puts the points on 90 points. It was a cracking game. I thought, you know, it was a blockbuster named as well. You know, Russell verse, Gelliver. There's a lot of good names in that game. She's Ben White was incredible. I tore it down here for the for the world for the line series. Ben White was like into him in late. Yeah, he didn't exactly. Yeah, and him against a point. It was very interested to seeing how rattled the point was. You know, there he is human after all. Like he had a lot of pressure on him through the games. I think a

41:34lot of the international tend to be watching how Scotland managed to do that. And France's two yellows is probably the ill-discipline sort of let Scotland kick away with that and they'll very brave as well because Scotland had a lot of penalties to kick from in front and they didn't take anything. Everything was to the line except for the last penalty from Russell and, you know, they'll brave and they got the chocolates. Yeah, I think it's the best 60 minutes of rugby in Gregor Townsend's reign, long-term reign now as Scotland coach. It was, this is a flogging. That game's over after an hour. They've got famous grass in their water bottles in 60 minutes. Whatever France do afterwards, it doesn't mean a lot. It's great for France. If you're a Fabian Galtier and it's a tough week now where he's got to get him to pick himself up and finish his off and still win the thing. But you're going to grab a hold of the last one and go, look, see what can happen, whatever. But it was done. It was done. And it was celebration time. Totally. And don't forget, Townsend's head was on the block in the early stages as well of these six nations. Well, after Italy game. After the early game. They had him sized up for

42:35a set of concrete things. They were going to toss him over. They were going to dust off Italy, which you would expect them to at the beginning of the tournament. That, that tournament's over. Yeah. Scotland of Lone. First time since 99 like it's, it's, it's incredible how the six nation ebbs and flies through the tournament. Fifty-fourty in a six nations game. Welcome to the party pal. How much more fun he's had seen a few tries put on the board. There are five, six, no, no. This is way better. Paying in the arve, I put the bagpipe on the roof, pregame. How good did that look? And let him rip because they are so good to watch when they get trucking. Island V whales. Island beat whales and give themselves. So there's still a chance. So I want to still chance to win this whole thing. There's still chance. Tell him he there's a chance. But the, I mean, the headlines are out of this camera over the trial of the year. Maybe should we look at the trial here? Certainly this isn't. This is Angus Bell like. There's nothing more gorgeous than a big man in space, right? Yeah. I think he was even

43:35shocked when you got that there. He's on the ground. He's 135 clicks and he's moving with pace. Got his opportunities like whales have been impressive this tournament. Like the, the doesn't show it on the, on the table, but they're definitely improved. Steve Tandy, one over on over there. Look at his, the one arm carry as well. And with five minutes to go, he knows he's going to make it. He's like, I'm going to score. I'm going to score. What do I do here? There's a good, I think there's a good one with, I don't know who did it with the Whitney Houston. Yeah, I think Six Nations popped that out. That was a great fan. That was good acceleration through. Well, half laugh, half enjoy a prop trial, but it was quality. So the standings are these. So France and Scotland are tied at 16 at the top. I honor there in 14, but this week in France, play England, there's got to be some bounce back despite it being in Paris for England, surely England aren't, but surely they're coming out fizzing. They probably win. No, in this Six Nations. Who knows? Imagine that. And then Scotland, I've got Ireland in Dublin, that ain't easy. And then whales in Italy, obviously can't, but these other two games can give us

44:40a champion. See what's important when those games are played. France get rolled by England. Scotland, let's, can we just apply off for the, for the Six Nations? So France, England, the last game of the, are they last game? Yeah. So I won the first. So you're thinking there, Scotland on, you're thinking we win this week and win the whole thing. Then you have cutlerbears and have a nervous watch. And it's, get that grass packing up. The best thing about Six Nations is like everyone hates England, right? So then all of a sudden you've got either Ireland or Scotland cheering for England in the last game of the round to see who will win the whole Six Nations. Yeah, and do they have a trophy to give out? What do you mean? The trophy burnt? Yeah, they burnt it? Yes, they got you. Is it a van? A van, an explosion or an explosion? An explosion in a truck fee, someone put an e-bike in the back with the trophy. So I'm going to take the power bank charge. We've got, we'll take it out of July, Yeah, melted. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

45:41The support, the ashes. Thank you, Bert. No, Van didn't go up. There's like this charred half trophy left over. They're going to make a new one. Yeah, there's something on social media that is holding it. It's just really okay. Well, they're going to have to get moving because it's going to go to either France, Scotland or Ireland on the weekend. Fellas, our BTIP, this is a new sag, van. I think BTIP MVP of the week and it has to go the way of, well, the entire Italian... I was going to do the country all of you. You've all been through the ringer over the years against England and you are now winners against the men in white. You are the BTIP MVP and the celebrations guys were so good in the aftermath as well from Italy, from the Missouri. They made the game better. They're like, they're absolutely having the best time of their life there. And like you said, they deserve it. For years, they've been the whipping boy. You know, when they're talking about, oh, we need promotion, relegation, six nations and they're always up on the chopping block. It's good to see them enjoying themselves

46:43and getting the fruits of their work because it's been a long road back and they've gotten better every year. It's good to see them go more. And as you guys said, they have got a world-class centre. I hope so. Love hearing that. The exaggeration, so it's probably the most important thing that's ever happened in the city of Rome, ever in history. More than a few other things up against it. Top five. Top five. We had it there. The Ruins would like to have a chat, so too with the Coliseum. OK, fellas, Legends 15, which we're selecting, fang, 30 years of the comp. What about this team is absurd. That we're putting together from the world of super rugby. So we've got Crockett, Milamo Franks. That's our front row. Last week, the locks were selected. We're talking John Eels and the spring box and ball's legend, Victor Matfield. This week, we're looking at sixes. Any thoughts on a six, maybe? Super rugby? A lot of. Can I just have a couple of names? Finnegan. Yeah. Skull, burger. Skuller. Yeah.

47:43It's Finnegan styleer. The Safa sixes are open sides or left-right. Yes, true. The traditional blind sides. That's been some good ones. Rocky Elston. I was going to say, international man of mystery, he might be in there as well. He'll post him the trophy. Where do we send him? Pick up a drop box. The hinterland. The Queensland Internet. Somewhere in that part of the world. I'm just trying to think one other six. Well, there's sort of the great work in like Crusaders, sixes that won lots of comps, like a Rubin Thorn, who led them. Those sorts of guys have been outstanding. It's been a few. He's George Smith going to miss out. He's, isn't he? Depends on the voting, like. It's the public who vote. We need the public to get it, the Australian public. But you've got to call the whole thing. The whole of fame is vying for that seven spot. Yeah. Like the best of the best of the best. Yeah. Of the best. Fellas. It's all my story. Before we go, quick shoutouts. Obviously, sadly, the roar I'm really doing a whole lot on the water rugby, at the moment. It's a bit of a shame.

48:43I love looking after those of you who love the game as much as we do. So bunch of the royal guys are bounced over, they've got an 8-9 sub-stacks. So now the 8-9 combo are over there on sub-stack. It's a big thing, more sub-stack. So if you... I don't know what that is. No, that's OK. But when you get through Sam Worthington and when you get through Ian Payton and Johnny Drennan as well, the 8-9 combo have got a good little thing going over there on sub-stack as well. So check them out because they are flying the flag, alongside the same boys from last week and girls that we mentioned. Fellers, it's about whether the man from Japan, are we going to let you get back to the little man? So can we just have a quick word on how you've landed on that name? No, miss. We actually thought we were going to have a girl, so we didn't really have a lot planned, but my wife always liked Valentine and I managed to push it back for the first two, but she's landed on the third one. You just had to be bullied? I was just happy, middle name is in junior. Yeah, we're very close, it's a George. So no, we like it.

49:44It's good to know. I love it. And these days, kids are going to go some crazy now. Exactly. And it's all my life. Imagine kindergarten. Yes, some of my names are all in two. It's almost got a bit of a Italian to it, too, really. Yeah, it's a little bit of a brand. It's feeding Valentine. Was it you're going to be Valentina? No, no. No, no. No, well, I'm very happy for them. Yeah, it's all right. We're very, very happy. And we're so glad to have you back. Are you back? Come back next week. Yep. We've four kids to look at. Well, it's tied, I'll stand there. The rockets had a buy as well. Green rockets. Yeah, to be the best. The club just keeps on keeping on. Yes. You can't kill off the green rocket. A little team that could. Yeah, I'm going to run them on your heart. And this week, we've got obviously the Derby, Reds V, Waritas, Saturday night. Have we got Friday night, too? Only one on the show, and so. Is it now? Friday night off. Ooh, that could be a little bit of fun. Hello. You'll sleep in the could you wine room on? Could you buy a ride? Well, you enjoy. We'll let you get back to changing Nappies thing. And we will let the rest of you get back to whatever it is

50:46you want to do across the back end of your Monday night. Don't forget, we've got Robbie Hevin coming Thursday. And as I said, the Derby on Saturday, the Reds up against the Tars at Suncorp Stadium. And for your next hit of a 22 post, you know, the drill's the same time. Same place next week.