Junkyard Dogs!

0:00Hey, Anna. Hey, Mike. So we've just finished Billy's first 60 days of Antonyl, and wow, what a difference. Really? Oh my gosh, what have you noticed? What is Shiner? He's much more energetic, not that he wasn't beforehand, but you know, you can see the difference. But memories I told you used to have that little limp in his back left paw that he had heard himself in his pup. Yes, he couldn't do that much anymore. Well, the hop skip and the jump. Yeah, yeah. So it's like his joints are a bit better, we actually have friends around this weekend who made it, who noticed that there was something good about Billy. And I was talking about Antonyl and they said, oh, what's in it? I said, well, green lip muscle. And they said, what's that? And I go, well, I don't know, after I was going, no, as I always do. So for next time, what should I say, what's so great about green lip muscle? Well, green lip muscle, it comes from New Zealand. It's the only place that green lip muscles live. And what's great about the green lip muscle is that it is, what's known as a broad spectrum

1:00source of omega three. And the reason dogs need to take omega three is that their bodies don't make it themselves. So unless they're getting it through, you know, their diet, you know, which can be omega six heavy. And it's very important to have a balance between omega six and omega three. So it's normally through supplements that omega three is given. And green lip muscle is unique in it, having everything from EPA, DHA and ETA. So all the main omega threes. And how about binks and prudence? They might be much better as well. The able, they've been on it for over a year. And they've been on green lip muscle forever since I've had them. So prudence 10 now. So she's had green lip muscle since the first day I brought her home to be honest, but not antinol. And I only wish I'd discovered antinol earlier. I really honestly mean that because it's an oil rather than a powder. So it's bioavailability.

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3:09Jess Wanikun and Cheryl Quinn, welcome to Adolks Live. Thank you for having us. Well, I'm really excited because we're talking about crafts, but not about the showing side of crafts, about the actual sports, which really, you know, they really set the pace, I think, as the main attraction at crafts, would you agree? I think so, yes. I think the arena is always full when the sports dogs go into that arena. Yeah, because Cheryl, you're involved with a flyball team called Junkyard. I am, yeah, I'm the team captain for Junkyard Dogs. Amazing. Tell us a bit more about flyball and how you came about to set up the team. Oh, gosh. So flyball is probably one of the fastest growing dog sports in the UK. It is, what's the best way to explain it? Probably. It's a relay race for four dogs and they have

4:11to go over four jumps, trigger a box to catch a ball and then come back over those four jumps and then are rewarded by the handler in the run back area. And it's like super fast, isn't it, Cheryl? It can be super, super fast, yes. Is it a bit like agility, you know, that you're marked on the speed and, of course, you get points knocked off if the dog maybe does a swerve and does their own thing and doesn't come back to the handler or misses the ball or something like that. So the aim of the game is for the four dogs to complete as fast as possible. If there is an early change, so obviously the dogs cross nose to nose, ideally, on the start line, if one dog is early, then it's a fault and that dog will have to run again at the end. If one of the dogs spits or drops a ball, it will have to run again at the end. If it misses out a jump, so yeah, you do get back for faults, but it's not really points-based

5:13at the dog. Yeah, it's just time-based and the dog has to kind of run at the end to make up for that mistake. I see, yeah, no, gosh. And how did Cheryl end? Jess, how did you meet? Well, we've been working with, since April 24th or now, so been supporting them with the food and some uniform and things like that for two years now. Well, because I'm obviously a massive fan of feeding a raw balance and complete diet for optimum health, and when you're talking about canine athletes that really have to perform, you know, there's no hanging around, you've got to get the speed, the muscles have to be strong, which you say Cheryl, you know, diet arguably is the most important aspect of your dog's lives. Oh, my day's absolutely. So, when I first started, it was with my border colleague who I was new

6:16to fly ball, and my dog just needed a job to do, and that's how we initially got into fly ball. But when I set my own team up, it was evident that I wanted the best out of my dogs, and the best out of my team dogs, and we looked at diet and nutrition, and it was absolutely clear to me that raw feeding was the way forward, and then we started looking towards the partnership with nature. Yeah, it's interesting because it sort of goes without saying that you'd assume like an Olympic athlete human would be focusing really heavily on the diet, but it's not quite as accepted that dogs, you know, need the same sort of careful and targeted sort of nutrition, is it? No, not all the arguments around cubal versus rot, or it just... Do you feel like in fly ball, there is probably a higher percentage of people at feed raw than they like your average? I think so, I think a lot of the top performing teams, a lot of the faster teams,

7:18especially in the UK raw feed. I think there are some still out there that cubal feed more for ease. Yeah, especially when you're on the road and stuff. Yeah, because we travel a lot, you know, I've got multiple dogs, which means I have to take multiple polyvoxes, full of food everywhere when we travel, and I think cubal can be seen as that easy. But for me, there's no compromise, I ask a lot of my dogs, I need them to perform and be the best that they can be. So, that's how we feed nature off. And with that, there's like sprint nature of it, needing that energy, so the high quality pre-reteams and for the afterwards as well, for like recovery. Feed the chicken and tripe is really good, so we like the tripe-based to help with recovery. Yeah. No, yeah, gosh, yes, no, I mean, I'm a fan, actually, of tripe moment. One of my favourite flavours, varieties, is the tripe and heart at the moment,

8:22actually, for my little Mr. Binks, mixed with the absolutely lovely pure blend, what you think of the pure blend. Well, that is ideal, really, because especially with athletes with, like, added things like the blackberries and green leafy vegetables is really important for the antioxidants and for them to particularly be able to recover and repair and reduce the likelihood of damaging their muscles. So, and obviously as well, the omega-3s is a big thing, and that's with oily fish, is a great source of that. So, that's already important, probably even more so for athletes than for your average lap dog. Yeah, yes, yes. But Cheryl, would you say, I mean, obviously, you can't kind of diss your competition in the fly ball circuit, but any dogs that maybe, you know, you know, a fed kibble, you know, because I, when I look at a dog, you know, over the years, I can actually tell a dog that is fed on a raw diet compared to one

9:27that isn't, because of the muscular structure, because a raw fed dog, you know, you see the confirmation better. You see the shape, you know, you've got the, the curve coming in at the back for a good waist, and the muscle I just feel is, is denser on a raw fed dog than other types of fed dog, and certainly the vibrancy and the coat is also the big giveaway for me and the eyes. I always think the eyes look brighter. I remember I was judging, oh, the chisic dog show one year, many years ago, and I just, there were several people judging, and I said, look, please, please, can we place that little dog over there? Because I know that dog is fed on a raw balance, the complete diet, and they was just, all right, I know, you know, all right, go on then, and then I just went over and I said, your number three, and I'm doing this because I know your dog is a raw balance, the complete diet, and she went, how did you know? And I said, I can just

10:29tell, so there, so that, that's actually a true story. So yeah, I mean, would you, would you say that, Cheryl, sometimes looking around at competitions? Yeah, I think it's, you can definitely tell the raw fed dog. So we brought some other cuffs dog with us to the nature of factory today, and you'll see that they're all extremely well muscled. Their coats are super shiny, and all the dogs that are here today are raw fed. And a big thing for me about raw feeding is, there's less poo. Oh yeah, definitely. We're always talking about poo. Such an important subject, it really is. No, actually, funnily enough, a very good friend of mine, actually, who runs the collar and lead brand dogs and horses. I've been trying to switch him to to raw for about four or five years. And he's gone, he's gone with it. He is now such a fan of natural raw recommending natural raw to all the dogs coming in to be groomed at the salon they

11:32also have. You name it. He's, it's making me, I love it because he's become a bit of an evangelist. Yeah, it does often happen that way that once people sort of tip over, it kind of is a light bulb moment. And that's what it was like for me when I started. I was thinking back, bizarrely, I used to go to the butchers 15 years ago and get them all free or give a donation for a bone, but then fed them kibble the rest of the time. And then when I sort of started raw feeding, I was like, why did I do that? And not think that they could be fed raw all the time and become an advocate of it from then. But yeah, it just sort of takes that little nudge over to see that it is easy enough to do and the benefits of it. And then you tend to find people do your advertising for you. Always the best way, isn't it? Really, word of mouth, definitely, definitely. But you know, dogs are community and, you know, cruises really. Yeah, this massive gathering of

12:34Britain's greatest and finest coming to basically celebrate dogdom. Cheryl, I mean, you must be getting a little bit nervous at this stage. I'm terrified. You're going to be fine. I mean, explain where junkyard is in the kind of leader polls. So I can't remember where we are in the, so we compete with the UK fly-ball league. And I want to say that we're probably seventh in that league. But when you look at the world's standings, we are 30th. Or are we? Yeah, 30th commonly in the world. So is it international at crafts? Will there be, you know, teams traveling over from France and Italy and the like? So not this year. So last year we had a Belgian team has been across for the last couple of years. But I don't think there's any, not in the fly-ball, there's no international team this year, which is a shame really. But is that the, they have to qualify

13:39or they're just, no, they do, they could have come back across, but they're true. All right. Oh, yeah. Well, generally is very international, isn't it, usually, with the showings. So the showings is very international. Yeah, an international winner most of the time. Yeah. And I think the dancing element is quite international. I'm not sure about agility, but the fly-ball is definitely very UK based because of the qualification. Yeah. That's interesting. But yeah, I mean, who would you say, I mean, not mentioning actually any names, but, you know, have you got like a couple of teams in your mind that could be, you might be thinking, gosh, I hope we don't have to go ahead to head with them or, you know, because they've got. It's the one that you've been drawing against, isn't it? So, yeah, when you, when you look at who, because obviously they do the draw, a few, they did the draw like a while back at the end of 2025. And there's always a couple of teams in your mind who you think you really don't want to be drawn against them. And yeah, we've

14:42probably drawn the one that we didn't want to be honest. So we're very, so we're very evenly matched with the team that we've drawn. So it's based in like a knockout. Yeah, it's a knockout one. Like, then you'd go through today too. Yeah, the first day and Friday, your first 16 teams. And if you lose, you're out. That's it, game over. If you win, you go through to the Saturday. But we're racing last thing, we're the last race on the Friday. And I think the Friday races are exceptional quality. And that, that final race is between Junkyard Dogs and Stone Chases. And yeah, that's going to be one tough one to watch. One tough race, I think, can probably one to watch. So yeah, it's really about who makes the mistake then, because you're so evenly. Who can hold the nerve? Yeah. What would be the dogs? Well, the dogs are a bit pop. Perfect. With a human kind of, those humans laying down. That's such an interesting point. You know, the dogs will be fine. You know, that's such an interesting point to make. It won't be about

15:46the dogs losing their nerve. And that's part of it in this big, pressured environment, isn't it? You know, you can practice all you want, but you walk into that arena. You've got all the people there. You've got all your fans. You've got the real, the big cheers, all the rest of it. That must shake your nerves a bit. Let alone, you know, the actual competition part of it. Cheryl, explain what you think makes the best type of fly ball dog. Oh, gosh. It's difficult because the fly ball is for any dog. It depends what you want out of the spot, really. So who like jump your dogs has a complete mix of breeds. So we have a lot of body collies. We have a lot of crossbreeds, but we also have like a copper poo. We have a little coca-spanule. We've had a springer spanule that's recently retired. So it depends what you want out of the dog. If you want to compete at the highest level and you're looking for that speed,

16:49then you need fast feet, power and consistency. But if you're just wanting a spot to build and enjoy your relationship with your dog, then any dog can do fly ball. That's, that's quite unique in that sense, that it's like accessible for anybody, all the requirements that you've got a dog. Yeah. So I've got a mixture of like I've got a little body collie who's got extremely fast feet and she runs some amazing times for her build and stature. And she's one of my fastest dogs, but then I've also got a body collie who's slower and just does it because she loves it and I ask her to do it. For cruff, we have to have at least one breed dog has to run. So the body collie is coming. So we've got a couple of body collies that we can interchange if needed, but then the others are crossbreeds. So there's a couple of body collie crosswipits that give me fast feet

17:56and power. And then there is a body collie crosswipit cross malinoa, which gives extra power. Yeah. Is there a certain like size, so like leg length, there's like opt for like how many paces or there is between, you know, so you're looking at that, like little dogs that legs that have to move. Yeah. So yeah, for cruff, the jumps are set at nine inch. That's what every dog runs over. But in a normal fly ball competition, you run at the height of the smallest dog. So the little red body collie out there drift measures 10 inch. So all the bigger dogs that are like baby drafts benefit from running with a small height dog. That's interesting. Yeah, gosh, I didn't know that. That's that's really interesting. And I've always wondered, do you know the bit where they've gone, they've got to the, I don't know what it's called, the gadget,

18:58where they have to press with their paw, don't they, to release the ball to catch it, turn. I mean, that must be the most tricky part to do the training for. Yes, that is, I mean, it's all very complicated. If you just want a dog to run over for jumps, touch the box, get a ball and come back, then that's quite easy to train. However, when you get to the higher levels, we like a dog to run fast and not lose any speed. We like them to run flat over the jumps and not bound, so they don't lose speed. No wasting energy. Go upwards. So we like them to run nice and flat. We look at their striding in between the jumps. We particularly look at the striding from the last jump to the box, which is the gadget. And then we specifically train a nice ball for snappy, like a swimmer's turn, you know, a swimmer's. Yeah, earlier with some of the others, they're saying that you don't actually introduce a ball. No, until they've got that turn. Yes. So how do you, how are you

20:03actually training them to do that on the box? So we initially start from puppies, so we'll just decide which way they turn. So which do they turn stronger to the left or stronger to the right? So you start to tweak the direction. And then we might just do some basic flat work and get them to turn very wide. And then we look at how their feet are landing. And then we move them when normally I would say 12 months old, when we know that their joints are formed and we're not going to cause any damage. We put them onto a board and we start shaping. Yeah, shaping this is quite a long process. Yes, it is not a quick process. If you want it done properly. I certainly know from doing agility, you know, that you generally train, we always actually train getting off the obstacle before getting onto the obstacle. Yeah. So do you do a bit of backwards training with fly ball as well, Cheryl? So we do. So we normally just start off with flat speed,

21:09introduce toy play. So you want the puppy or the dog to drive towards the handler. And we always say the dog will get rewarded with whatever the dog wants really. So whether that be a tug toy or a treat ball or a treat on the floor. So we train flat speed with with nothing. So to start with. And then we start introducing the jumps, but we'll only do it one way and it'll be the way they're chasing their handler. And then you start back training it like that other way if you like towards the box, but we don't introduce a ball until the very last minute. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it is because they're sort of on their own different to agility in a way because the handler's guiding, you know, the dog around the course, you know, with the hand and shouting the cues to the different obstacles, frame or tunnel, whatever. But with fly ball and because it's so fast as well, I've always been so impressed because you just send the dog off. The dog knows

22:10to do the turn and the bit that always makes my heart kind of go, oh gosh, when I sort of normally burst into it, is that run back because it's amazing. It's just great. And then the next dog knows that he follows that dog. So I suppose it's just all about practice, practice, repetition, repetition with the team. Yep, lots of practice, lots of repetition, lots of using different dogs. And when we start with our puppies, so we always run two lanes. So we don't normally train a dog on its own. We introduce two dogs straight away so that they get used to working while there's another dog working. We know that they're not going to run across and just want to play. So I guess a lot of it is about the atmosphere as well. And it's all very well, like doing the training, but especially at crufts, I bet it's very nerve wrecking for humans and the dog. Crufts is different because obviously you have got that massive crowd. There's lots of cheering, there's lots of screaming, there's lots of footstamping in the stands. So we have a playlist with

23:16crowd noise on that we have played in our training venue for the last few training sessions because they get used to the noise of a crowd and clapping because that's the only way we can replicate it. No, no, definitely. That's such a good idea because that's something I've found. It's a tannoy because a human's voice when it comes through a tannoy, something happens to it. I mean, I've seen dogs really quite freaked out by their voice. What sort of age are they before they make it to sort of the crufts that they have to be quite mature? And is it several years before so to that level? Drift is three. All right. I would say Habit is, he did it last year and he was quite young last year. So Habit would have been, and he was only two when he was a bit of a bit of a gamble for us to run Habit because he was so young, but he cope really well with it

24:18henceway, he's back in the team this year. But it all depends on how quickly they've picked it up, how well they cope with the environment and the bond that they've got with their hands. Yeah, so it's not just about the physicality and the athleticism, it's got to be about like attitude and how they can cope in the under the pressure. No, gosh, yeah, no, I can really imagine that. And also, I guess it depends as well what's been going on in the main arena the day before and whether there's treats that have been squashed into the carpet or if a dog's accidentally had a, you know, an accident, you know, and that's something or delicious to smell or know that from having competed at crufts myself. It's best to go in on the first day. That's pretty much sensory overload for a dog. It is, yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. So how many times do you practice a week Cheryl? Because for me as well,

25:18I'm sure Jess, you'd agree on this. These sports and I'm just dogs in general, they do build community, don't they? You know, they help us so much. This is a great sport. It's your hobby, it's your passion, but dogs on so many levels do that, don't they Jess? But, you know, you must have built a great set of friends around the fly ball community. Yeah, we've got, so the whole team is well, just a little weird little family. So the best way I can describe them, this old dog mad and that functional family. We've all got multiple dogs. I don't think there's one of us that's just got one single dog. We've all got multiple dogs. We train as a team normally once a week on a weekend. Would it be a full day? It's from like 10 while seven. It's a long day. The dogs come out multiple times and we do lots of different drills and we keep the sessions short so the dog stays engaged and then they'll go get some hydration and then they'll

26:21come out back out later in the afternoon. But there's all little things at home. So one of my bother colleagues loves to spit her ball early. It's very frustrating. So we do little sessions at home of her holding a ball to worry about. A few of us do extra so obviously they get walked and a few of us have got treadmills but we compete in canycross, bike jarring. You know, it's not just lie ball. We do, there's a lot of other things that we do to keep our dogs fit and healthy and just keep that relationship engaged. Yeah, and that's community also, you know, with people, isn't it? Yep, the people. So we just can't get enough of each other. That's why we're all here today. Do you ever have any like, you know, sort of slight fallings out, you know, going, well, if your dog drift hadn't run into havoc by accident all the time, all the time, but I was thinking about

27:23that earlier about how it's quite an unusual relationship with your dog because if your dog drops the ball, if your dog's the one that like costs you the the women, then how do you feel like, I'll let you know, but yeah, it's like that it's it's all over in such a, it's an emergency for error. It's so tiny. And then being a team event as well, like feeling that you've let your team down or your dog, your dog has let you team down. It must be quite hard emotionally because it's a lot of training and I think for a few seconds, basically, isn't it? It is an off training for a few seconds in a competition, a few seconds on the green carpet, but we train together. We we have won a lot of championship events. We've got a club record of 1456. So we win together, but we lose together and it's that nobody's at fault. Like it couldn't, but you know, Gary was boxloading

28:26this year. If a ball rolls out of the box and it's nobody's fault, the boxers are misfired, I'm sure he'll feel terrible and we'll probably give him some ribbing for a later, but when it comes down to it, you're all in it together. We are all in it together and we have to be. Of course, let's share a little bit like, you know, a sort of big football match where, you know, you've got your reserves on the on the side. So would you have dogs like, you know, to say the dog took a jump a bit, difficulty, you know, slightly strained, his leg came back limping a bit, do you have dogs ready to go in and you take one dog out, put another dog in like they do in in football? So yeah, so a little bit like that. So the cruffed team is four dogs. So it'll be four dogs that race. However, we have two reserves who will also be in the ring. So if, I don't know, drifts bits of all, then I can take her out and put another border collie in because she's a

29:30breed dog and it would have to be a border collie for a border collie. If one of the bigger dogs goes down because of a sprain or doesn't look quite right and we're not happy with how they're running, then we can, but we do only have two reserves. And that's what that's all any team is allowed. You're only allowed a total of six dogs. Right, that's interesting. Gosh, gosh, so in a way that that's even more pressure, isn't it, really? It's a lot of pressure, yeah. So what's your drill like now, you know, because all today is obviously March the first. You're competing this coming Friday. So that's you've got five days. How are the next few days looking to you, Cheryl? I am working until Wednesday. And then Thursday, I have got off him and I'll probably try and relax, give Drita Batso that she looks and smells nice. Well, she's got a TV debut. Yeah, TV. Give her a nice groom.

30:32And then pack our bag and just try and do you hold off on the training and the buildup to it? Yeah, so we had our last training session last weekend. And then it'll be she's wrapped up in bubble wrap. She's lead walk. No injuries allowed. She's no free runny. She's not allowed to barge with any of my other dogs. Is there an element of it where you want them to be a bit spite, a bit like not have had enough exercise? I think so that they let loose. Yeah, so she, we will race on Friday afternoon. And I think it's scheduled for about quarter past three in the afternoon and where the last eight. All right, a lot of waiting around. She'll be a lot of waiting at cross. There'll be a lot of people who go, I want to put her and also and she will be rested, completely rested on Thursday as well. All right. So she'll be ready to go. She'll be ready burst out of the that's the plan to burst out on the starting block. Oh gosh, I so wish I was

31:33up at crafts on on Friday. I mean, I'm not there on Thursday and Sunday. So might you Cheryl be there on Sunday? How will that potentially? Yeah, fingers crossed. Right. So on Sunday, that's that's obviously the big finale for everything. So if you're there still on the Sunday, which I'm sure you will be, you know, what does that mean? You've done to get there, you know, how many teams have you beaten? Oh gosh, we will have beaten, we'll have raced on the Friday and one and we'll have raced on the Saturday and one and that puts us through to the Sunday. So is it 14s on Sunday? Is it two? I can't. I only think about the Friday. Yeah, you've got to do the first day. It's just got to win the first one. That's all that's in my mind that first day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's very important just to take it step by step, you know, definitely, but oh, this is so exciting. I'm really excited for you and hopefully, yeah, we can meet up on

32:36on the Sunday. That would be just really great. Cheryl, am I right in thinking that you actually do judge fly ball as well as competing it? I do. So I am in one of the few level three, which is the highest level judge in the league in the UK. So I judge fly ball. I had the honour of judge in fly ball at Crofts last year and was the one studying their own getting famous on TikTok. If you were seen any of the videos that went live and absolute honour, probably one of the scariest things I've ever done, however, I don't know whether I'd rather judge or compete. I'm just scarier than compete. I don't know, you know, I think come on. I suppose there's only one, there's only one of a one judge here to make those decisions. I know, but yeah, what's the most contentious scenario like prefer to judge, you know? Wow. I think I'm on a list competing. Me and my little

33:37dog in the ring instead of just being me, but yeah, that's fantastic. You know, I love that. So, you know, it's almost like junk your dogs is run by, you know, a real international expert at the helm. Oh, thank you. No, it's great. No, no, I just love hearing your passion about the sport and then your love of dogs and everything. It's just it's what dog ownership should really be all about, I think. I agree. What would you say to anyone listening, you know, thinking, gosh, you know, I do want to do a sport with my dog because it is about community and it is about keeping dogs in peak condition. A lot of dogs only get walked by their dog walkers, you know, on the other massive different scale of the fence. So this is great. You know, it's having fun with your dog and building a bond that is so important. Time short with your dog, you know, time flies and you need to sort of maximize everything. So if someone's thinking, yeah, do you know what?

34:39I think I really might fancy a bit of fly ball. Where can people go to to find out more about the sport? So there are a couple of associations in the UK. You've got the UK fly ball league. So you can look at their website, send them a message, ask the for a local team and get in touch with one of their mentors. You've got the British fly ball association as well. And you've also got United fly ball outdoor, which is quite a new association and they just run outdoor on grass. But if you're thinking about getting involved in fly ball, just reach out to one of those leagues or associations. And there's plenty of teams throughout the UK who run taste the sessions, beginner courses and just look to get yourself on one of those. And definitely sounds like it, people shouldn't be scared off by thinking they've not got a super duper athletic. No, absolutely. All sorts of abilities. All any dog. I've always said any dog. I mean, there's a basic

35:45hound in UK fly ball league. I can't imagine as much speed in about the years. A couple of them like Dashons. They're amazing. Yeah, it's just about building that building that relationship and that bond and having fun with, although I can mind it. Ultimately, you spend more time with the training than the competing. You don't spend more time training, boss. So you've got to have fun whilst you're doing it. Well, we a lot of cake at our training sessions. Kelly's and Kathy bake lots of like truffles and brownies. So that's what I mean in cake and drinking tea, but with a bit of training thrown in. That's all good fun. Yeah, but that's all part of it. That's the whole thing and making friends and swapping tips and different training ideas. And I've just got this image in my head now of the Basset Hound. You know the thing is, she was flying outside the way. I'll get

36:47down. Yes, yeah, yeah. Do you know if that Basset Hound will be at crafts? Not sure. Oh, look, Cheryl's been brilliant chatting and yeah, be sure to take lots of natural raw treats with you. We will. Yeah, yeah, and cons and everything stuffed with some natural raw treats because for me, I think the biggest downside of crafts is the waiting and the waiting. Oh, there must be a lot of waiting around here. And that does not mean you think you're a disadvantage from going by last in the day or the dogs get fed up. We have a special bench in area to be fair, which is away from most of the other Cheryl dogs. We can put the dog in a cray, cover, we can get them out to the toilet and stuff, but yeah, they are just and you get to go out. Yeah. But I mean, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but they're on the benches and that and that's also, yeah, a good community spirit time as well, you know, when

37:54you might be quite near to your art genemy, but you know, really at the end of the day, everyone's in it for the dogs. Yeah, that is very true. Oh, look, thank you, Cheryl, for joining us today and Jess look brilliant. I mean, I'm just so excited. I'm excited for you and, yeah, wish you all the best and go get it. Thank you. That's our show, everyone. Well, I hope you enjoyed it. If you did, go on, rate and review the show wherever you listen to your podcasts. And thanks again to Jess Wanukun and Cheryl Quinn of Junk Your Dogs for joining us and explaining all of the ins and outs of Flyball. And we're wishing them the best of luck for next weekend. And if you're interested in finding out a little bit more about Antonol, simply go on their website and then check out, just use my code, which is Anna Webb, similarly with Natu Raw. You can use my special

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