JF 4141: The Creative Treadmill and What Winning Ads Really Need ft. Matt Drouin

Richard McGirr interviews Matt Drouin about what actually makes paid ads work for high-ticket offers—and why most people fail when they try to bolt ads onto capital raising without the right infrastructure. Matt breaks down the core “go/no-go” checklist (starting with a crystal-clear offer), choosing the right channel for your ICP (Meta for older, Facebook-group-heavy investors), and why your CRM, follow-up, and speed-to-lead matter as much as the ads themselves. They dig into lead-quality filtering (conditional logic on lead forms), training your pixel with the right conversion signals, and how to think about creative/VSLs, proof, and ad fatigue. Matt’s biggest takeaway: stop DIY-ing it blindly—hire experienced help, because paid is a different beast than organic. Matt DrouinCurrent role: Partner, OakGrove Companies; Go Bigger Sooner Based in: Rochester, New York Say hi to them at: Website: http://www.oakgrovecompanies.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattmdrouin/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-drouin-b298b59/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matthew.drouin.50 YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCaKfIhzGtUH76cxgIofZwA?sub_confirmation=1 Facebook Group: Go Big! Live Real Estate Investors Group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/2297121873782562 Podcast Link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/go-big-live-podcast/id1678794709 Visit bestevercrypto.com today to get started and earn up to $2,500 in bonus crypto. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to quo.com/BESTEVER Join us at Best Ever Conference 2026! Find more info at: https://www.besteverconference.com/  Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It’s free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠⁠ Podcast production done by⁠ ⁠Outlier Audio⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices