Jamie Andrews

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3:07Jamie can be quite feisty. Andrews, which I like. Tell me first of all, I discovered you're in France, you live in France. Are you two experiencing the manufactured drought? Yes, well that's, I mean we were talking just off air that I'm surviving by blowing a portable air conditioner straight at me. But unfortunately it was providing too much noise into the mic. If I have a bead of sweat, it's not because I'm stressed, it's just the general climate. I moved here to France about eight years ago, Southwest France is not too far from Bordeaux, that kind of area. I saw what was happening, the machinations of Brexit 2016 and I thought they are, you know, kettling us. They are kettling us into this dichotomy between good and evil, you know, remain and leave.

4:09And, you know, I saw all of those things that the UK didn't have that was kind of a stamping ground, I think, for the next political agenda. And my wife grew up in this area. I fell in love with it as soon as I saw it. That land is very cheap here. So I bought a Maison de Metra, which is a small version of a chateau and I'm very, very slowly doing it up myself, changed the roof, put in a septic tank. We had no running water, no hot water, no cold water, nothing when we moved in here in December of 2019. So December 2019 with a newborn, I kind of moved into a shack and then the whole world went mental. Yeah, we're experiencing the heat wave that is here and it is hot, you know, it is. And I have to say, James, you know, thank you. I've been waiting for a long time to, you know, do an interview with you.

5:10I, you know, it's a special place for me too because you inspired me. You inspired me in my journey to be where I am now with your work with the global climate change hoax back with your work to do with the University of East Anglia and all of that. And, you know, that kind of inspired me as a, I was a geology undergrad at Durham University and kind of figured out at the very latter parts of that some of the, the fraud that was going on and then I was kind of vindicated by, by your work. So really I am kind of sat here today because of you. So thank you. That is, that is really, really good to hear. Yeah, I mean, I was pretty much an army in most respects when I wrote my, you know, when I started investigating, and that's kind of why I say, you know, was you, you were my hero. Was it that, you know, do you feel different to that person?

6:13You know, you've gone through this kind of sea change where, you know, that was industry. I mean, you were still going against the industry, but it's been, I don't know, what, what is that nearly, nearly 10 years? It wasn't my, it wasn't my first taste of going outside the overt and window. Yes. And, and being slightly, slightly ostracized by my peers, there was certainly said to me, you know, you really shouldn't, it's not going to do you any good, just going against the, they use the word consensus that what they might have said was, look, look, all the top scientists are saying this and, and you're an art graduate. Like, are you sure you really want to be getting involved in this fight? Yeah, with, with your, your intellectual superiors. Yeah. And did you see it as a kind of warning shot? Was it kind of threatening or was it just a kind of, you know, a career decision type of thing that maybe this isn't, you know, the right thing to do? There was never any of that.

7:13There was never any, um, editors hinting to me that I might not, my work might not dry up. It was rather, I simply didn't get the work, except occasionally, because this was, this was 10, 15 years ago, where they still wanted, there was much more, um, variety of opinion in the, in the mainstream media, but then so, so the male, for example, would quite regularly commission climate skeptical pieces, normally not from me from Christopher Booker who was their house skeptic, as it were. Right. But occasionally I'd get the kind of, when he wasn't available, I'd be able to do a piece about winter binds or, or, or whatever. But, um, yeah, the, the person who, who warned me sort of off slightly was just a friend who had no power. No, he had no influence other than that he was just sort of thinking. Yeah, I, I mean, I, I, I, I don't, I think that censorship in the mainstream media consists

8:17of not so much editors issuing edicts saying we've, we've taken our latest, um, had our latest briefing from, from Builderburg and, and et cetera. And this is what our position now is. More than like if you try selling stories on areas that, the, the, the, the, the, the boat for boat and, they just won't commission you. I mean, if you're a freelance, you, you just don't get commissioned. Yeah. And then at the other end, you've got the hacks on the ground or, or the, or the, the columnists and commentators who, self-sensor, often, often, unaware that they're self-sensoring. It's just like they're all part of this club of, of, of supposedly shared ideas. Yes. Like they all think that Israel, I mean, I'm talking about the right here where I was. Yeah. They all think that Israel is just like, it's great. It, it's, it's the only democracy in the hellhole that is the Middle East.

9:18And they never stop to ask, for example, why the Middle East is a, is a hellhole who, turns it into a hellhole for what purpose? It's just that, because they've been brought up on stories about Israeli hospitals, treating Palestinian terrorists as, as they call them, as much as they treat IDF soldiers. And, and it's, they've got really great food, courtesy of otterlingi and, and it's, and they're the chosen people, you know, like in the Bible. So, there's a whole set of beliefs, which I think I, I don't think many of these, these competitors are literally in the pay of Netanyahu. I mean, I think some, yeah, some of them. But mostly it's just, this is what they're, it's group think. Yes. And I'm sure that if you went to the Guardian, you'd find a similar kind of, of, of group think. Yeah. I mean, as you know, you've watched my journey down the rabbit hole. Yes.

10:18I was, I used to believe in the paradigm. I was educated in a system that trained me to believe in the paradigm. I was trained, I suppose, yeah, Oxbridge, particularly, are designed to train the up a tear administrators in the, in the B system, aren't they? Yeah. More or less. Certainly. So, so I was trained to think in a certain way. So I don't blame myself for having all these views. I now consider, well, it's toxic. It's toxic unfair on, on the person I was, because I wasn't, I, I was never evil. I was just kind of gold like, I think this is the crux of it, isn't it? Is this that, um, when you talk about people that are propagating a controlled narrative, the idea is, is that people are there like you say that get direct orders from, uh, from, from up high. It's a, it's a system of, uh, it's a system of authority.

11:22And whilst that is very true to see when you're in industry. So you have a boss, you have a sales department, you have a marketing department, you see, you have to fulfill quotas that are, you have to bring benefit to the company. And you are under employment and contracts. You can see a direct pipeline. It's no much more than, uh, you know, the military, so on and so forth where they tell you what to do, right? Whereas people think that it's, or not people think that, but I, I think that people have, uh, trouble when it comes to kind of social media and the kind of private area like I, I've kind of managed to see it viscerally from the outside because I've made no effort. In fact, kind of, rebuked going into that arena completely.

12:22Um, just kind of a little bit about my story, uh, because it kind of shares a similar a story with yourself I want to talk about a little bit about science and kind of how it goes it goes into that and what I'm doing with the project but it kind of it kind of meshes a little bit more kind of with your story the fact that I went to public school I went to Kings County Supreme in the UK. It's the same as the rule as Richard Curtis. Right. I mean, sorry, it's a word one band is about but Richard Curtis, I mean, he's in Ball's deep, isn't he, into the new order? That's right. I mean, it's just, it's an Eton group school. You know, it's in the Bows of Canterbury Cathedral and you for kind of the American, yes, a public school, very kind of, you know, for the American listeners, you have to wear a wing collar. It's like Harry Potter, right?

13:23The very same. It's like, you know, it's out for myself, you know, it's out for myself, you've seen the types of people that these churn out, the Chris Whitties, you know, from from from Moulbrough, you know, those types of people that are career politicians that are molded in this sausage factory and all of the people, all of my friends went into bat, I mean, most of them went into insurance actually. The kind of invogue thing was not, you know, stock trading or being on the stock floor anymore, it was just insurance because they could kind of get away with writing on their own paychecks. They kind of figured out that there was, you know, very little to do with actual kind of capitalism or, you know, the fact that they're kind of isn't capitalism and you can't just, you know, trade, willing, million and make millions of dollars, you're still kind of in, in that kind of authority structure. And so they all went into insurance, basically. And I kind of, I really just, I wanted to smoke weed and make music and just be an artist

14:29at the time to my detriment because it was kind of 20 years, not 20 years, 10 years kind of this lull where it was a left university. I got straight A's, I got straight A stars at school interestingly. And this is kind of really where all of my anti science came from. I consider myself to be anti science in general is is that my biology teacher, when I was 15 studying GCSE was a fundamentalist Christian. So in and amongst the school, obviously we're in the boughs of, of Canterbury Cathedral, Ives of Working Cathedral. There was long, you know, Christian services, Anglican. It's the oldest Protestant school in the world. And so that kind of religious connotation runs right the way through the school. The dean is, is, is in the, the green court, the cloisters and, and the whole school is in the cloisters. And so it was funny to me, I'm really my kind of very first start to where I am now is

15:33is the fact that Mr. Smiley, the fundamentalist Christian who believed that the earth was flat, that it was 4,000 years old. Every single thing in the Bible is correct. There's a firmament, yadayadayadah was also teaching me evolution. Was also teaching me, you know, everything to do with the GCSE biology curriculum. How did you get on with that? Just funny, you know, he he thought that it was funny. He would take the piss. He was a good guy, you know, and I think probably the same that I was lucky to have an education that I did. These were real kind of scholars that taught you how to think and not what to think. And really, I guess it's those types of things that if they are employing people that obviously have that kind of complete conflicting stance where you know that they are fundamentalist Christian, but at the same time they're teaching you teaching you things like, you know, Darwin and evolution. And we all came from a cosmic puddle and evolved into dinosaurs and then into people

16:37or whatever the, you know, the line of thinking is, I guess that immediately gets you to question everything, right? So how did he go down with the rest of the class? I mean, it sounds like he tickled your something or others, but what about everyone else? Was he considered a joke or was he considered? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, he was a young teacher. So he must have been in, I don't know, in his late 30s, early 40s when probably my kind of age when he was teaching. So I think with the younger teachers, the pupils kind of appreciate that they're a little bit looser around the edges. The older ones, the history teachers that were still smoking a pipe up in the Mauren Library with a tiger skin rug on the wall, I think. They run a bit more of a hard line. And so the kids were just kind of a bit more, found it more fun that he was a young teacher and it was you could get away with a little bit more, and you could kind of rib him a little

17:40bit more. So did you take it to really my kind? On evolution or not evolution? None of us are really obviously kind of challenging any of that at the time. I mean, as a 15 year olds, you know, you just get told that evolution. I guess I did every single science that I could. So I did biology, chemistry, physics, geography, geology for A level and then went on to do geology at Durham. And so I was very much a kind of, I thought that I was being a rebel even at that stage, right? You know, religion is stupid, the man in the sky or whatever. And so I knew more because science was cool and science knew all the answers, right? So I kind of went into education and higher education, being that kind of, you know, controlled

18:40scientific mouthpiece, the marketing mouthpiece that fast forward 20 years, 25 years, that I now feel that it is just that the whole of science is a marketing point. Let's say it's a fabricated thing. And this is kind of what I wanted to talk to you about today is that when you look at the GCSE and look at the A level curriculum, 90% of the topics were invented in the 1800s and 1900s. Every single one of those topics were directly linked to the Royal Society. Okay. So you're talking about evolution. You're talking about survival of the fittest you're talking about atomism. You're talking about the periodic table of elements. You're talking about germ theory. You're talking about the cell and everything to do with microbiology then.

19:41And with it with emphysics, there's a few bits of magnetism and astronomy. And when you actually kind of break it down, everything that you learn in your textbook was basically put out by one organization that was run by the crown that removed God from the earth. They in the course of about 100 to 200 years, they took the systems of infrastructure of what the church was doing, which was they were operating as the state, as the government, right? Brush my palm with silver and you can get caught with God. You can come closer to God. They were the tax, barons, the land barons of their time. And I think that the, I don't have a lot of evidence for this, but I think that when you look at it through the kind of timeline of what's gone on, I think that it becomes

20:43very clear that the powers that be the royal society, the crown, wanted to come up with their own new philosophy for basically controlling people, for a taxation for government, for everything to do with it. Because once you rid yourself of God and once you put, basically they turned scientists into priests. The priests in white coats that could tell you everything about the world that you lived in. And now I see it as no much more than that that they are just an authority structure kind of creating this marketing level that is purely to control people. And I consider that everything to do with science is just a marketing scam. And when people kind of, they kind of bulk at that and go, what, everything like chemistry,

21:46the law of thermodynamics and it's nonsense. I mean, there are some observations, I mean the topology of thermodynamics, you know, you can't create and nothing can be destroyed, you know, recreated and everything tends towards destruction with entropy and you know, all of those kind of things are just basic logical observations. And it's a topology that they are real because it's a, it's a, it's a, a, a fundament of logic. And further than that, when physics started to talk about spooky action at a distance, you know, you've got to kind of question these things where they go, okay, well, the planets, Pluto X number of hundreds of millions of miles away, only stays in its orbit because

22:52gravity works in a spooky way. They are literally doing the Bible, right? They're doing the Bible and saying science works in mysterious ways. And so right there you see that kind of snapshot of where they have removed religion and replaced it with their own form of belief system. And posing not as a belief system, it's posing as factual information and this is where you kind of come across like in, you know, now in, in social media terms that it's all fact based and it's science based and everything is empirical in a measurement. This is exactly so far in centimeters. This is exactly how far. And this is what I find funny is is that, you know, my current with the Verology Control Studies project is really ripping apart DNA. And they say this tiny little coil that makes you who you are, that it's got nothing to

23:56do with kind of, you know, creation that you were just created in a very good way that fits in with your ecosystem because that's the way it is. It's this kind of, everything can be controlled in this tiny little thing that was developed by Watson and Crick who were taking LSD and, you know, fraternizing with all the girls at the time and have all of the hallmarks of all every other Nobel Prize winner at the time. And they say with DNA that DNA is so prevalent within your body that if you took every single strand of DNA within your body and put it end on end, it could reach Pluto and back 17 times. But they can't see it with a microscope. You can't, scientists can't just take DNA, zoom in and see a double heel structure. They've never done it. They've never actually seen it. Yeah. Apparently you have so much of it in your body that it can, and there's these kind of

24:59juxtapositions and contradictions as soon as you kind of scratch away, it even the first layers of paint of every single scientific subject out there. Do you think that maybe DNA is made of the same fibrous structure that they used to make the emperors new clothes? Totally. Totally without a doubt. It's exactly that. It's spinning out, a spinning yarn. And, you know, when it comes to DNA again, it's just the way that it is controlled. You know, you can think about these things and all of these kind of hoaxes start to raffle into one where you say, okay, well, if you can propose that you can change people's genetics and you can bring it back, then bring me back a dinosaur. Do Jurassic Park make me a dog-sized tyrannosaurus rex that I can keep at home and they go, ah, you know, and then all of the excuses come out. We can't, you know, so on and so forth.

26:00But when you actually kind of even challenge the kind of DNA and making anything, think in the most basic of ways, as I said, I'm in Southwest France. We're right on the border here for growing citrus fruits. So we have a bit of a harsh spring, kind of late spring, March and into the very first past of April, we have quite a hard frost. And so you can grow oranges if you keep them in large tubs, but you can't really plant them outside. You can, but you can cover them up. You have to take, you know, preventative things. So I went on a bit of a mission to kind of find, okay, well, these very clever priests of science in their white coats. Surely they've just done their DNA shit with an orange and made an orange that is frost resistant. Nope. Because oranges by nature are not frost resistant.

27:02There's nothing in nature where they can take a frost resistant orange and then provide a breeding program. It's all a breeding program. And they say these GMO crops when they say there's GMO particular types of cows. And I'm not saying that they're not fucking with them. I'm not saying, you know, the whole bove air stuff, whether putting in chemicals and shit like that, I'm not saying that it's good. I'm just saying that when they're claiming that they're making, you know, a GMO type of corn or a GMO type of wheat, they're just taking natural wheat that has positive properties. So they'll take a hardy type of wheat. They'll take one that produces a high yield. And then they'll just keep breeding them a bit like they do with, you know, the hydroponic weed and stuff. They just find the most potent weed. Keep putting chemicals on it. Keep, keep cross pollinating it with other things until they have this kind of butcher thing.

28:02But it's all in nature. It's got nothing to do with DNA. Do you think it's a bit like these bio labs that we're told about all over Ukraine and elsewhere in China where we're told that they're creating these mutant viruses? Do you think the whole thing is a scam, the whole of China? It's a money laundering operation. Yeah. It's a way to print money because, you know, what better way to print? And I was talking about this with my friend Robin on an interview a couple of weeks back is that it's money prints are goes brrrr when it's to do with genetics because imagine you can just create a serial number for everything in the biological world, right? So you say that every single cell in your body, however many trillions of cells you have in your body, if you go in a new genetically sequence every single one of them, you put this thing into a computer and it spits out a code, right?

29:04Every single code of that is like a trade markable product. Yeah, in their eyes. So what they're doing is is they're going, okay, well, we need another few hundred million dollars of investment. We will go, we will open up a lab, we will genetically sequence nothing, basically a cell culture with fuck all in it. It comes out with a slightly different genetic code because the genetic thing is just, you know, the computer spits out this, you know, AC, T and G. And then they go, right, well, we have another saleable product. This thing is worth $10,000. Next, and it's literally just like quantitative easing when it comes to, you know, banking, it's just adding zeros onto everything with nothing in the intrinsic petri dish. You know, there is obviously no, you know, fear money, there's no gold money ever, you know, in the central banking system, they took it all into digital currency.

30:04And so for them, it's just inventing another economy when it comes to that. So these labs in Ukraine, the labs in China are just, you know, their shopfronts like the Turkish barbers in the UK, right? You know, they're just posing as organizations and operating as funnels. You know, if you want to really visibly understand that the lab leak thing that they don't make viruses in labs, they took it, Jonathan Van Tam for some time, the chief medical officer whose grandfather was a eugenicist in Cambodia, was it, I think? Yeah, Vietnam, that's right. He conducted a huge genocide of people known as, I think, yeah, it was something like the

31:04tiger of the tiger of Vietnam or something like that. So he comes from good stock and he conducted a trial where he took what they considered to be purified SARS-CoV-2, took healthy people, put them up their nose and they did nothing. So if they are making a bio weapon, it's not very good because it doesn't do anything to people. You know, a couple of people had a scratch, he knows. In fact, in the nature publication when they did it, one of the ladies that they interviewed that was a test subject was complaining more about the way the mask fitted. She had one of those visors and she kept complaining that it was chafing on her forehead, rather than that they were putting a bio weapon up her nose. So you can viscerally understand very, very quickly that what's going on in those bio labs is nonsense. So I remember in my cornucopian days when I believed in, I read books like Matt Ridley's

32:09The Rational Optimist and I learned all about how technology was saving us all and how we used to, the amount of money that was required to produce a lumen had decreased over the years. So in the beginning you had tallow candles and then now you can heat, you can light your room and we don't need to use candles in the dark anymore. We can increase productivity, etc. One of the things he was behind was the so-called green revolution. He learned about things like golden rice, golden rice to this, this rice which should have spliced into its genome, vitamin D, to stop kids on a primarily rice diet getting rickets. So I think it was probably made by Monsanto, I'm guessing.

33:11Is golden rice just another made up, but of nonsense? Yeah, it's just Pollux. I mean, the vitamin D store I've written about it quite comprehensively that vitamin D is rat poison. They use it in very tiny, tiny, tiny quantities, not too dissimilar quantities to the pills that they're putting in. Yeah, it's there for killing rats on a day-to-day basis, not like it's in there as well. It is the act of ingradiating, it's called cold-calciferol. So I was going to talk to you about Matt Ridley because obviously he was one of my heroes as well as you because it was yourself. It was Matt Ridley. It was people like Lord Monkton who inspired me to look at the climate scam. But here we are now, Matt Ridley just shit the bed in 2020. What happened with him in terms of going against the establishment with, and I think with

34:13the rational optimists, you started to see the same kind of things that he was being drawn into the world of science, the world of, you know, and now when I read back the rational optimist, I don't really see it very different to Noval Harar is, you know, Homa Deir. So I think that really it was like the rational optimist actually is almost like the forward to that, you know, it's the kind of introductory open the gate to this world of scientism and, you know, 1984 and Brave New World and Soylent Green that they all kind of trying to manifest through propaganda, is it worth? I've gone, although Matt Ridley doesn't do it kind of so overtly in your face, when you actually kind of put these books out, you can see that it is just a kind of vanilla

35:16gateway drug to the end product that is, you know, that is all of the world economic forum and you know, whatever, you know, whatever, the manclature you want to put on that. I don't know how many people are watching this are familiar with Matt Ridley or Lord Ridley as he also is, but it's quite interesting that you and I have been on the same journey of initial fandom to deep skepticism. And what I don't like is this trend, is it a trend? Is that the word? I see among awake people this determination to impute bad faith to anyone who is not on our side of the argument and to assume that they are evil and conscious of what they're

36:20doing. The point I made earlier about journalists, I think applies well in the Matt Ridley is, of course, journalists. It's true that Matt Ridley makes a lot of money out of his best selling books, which are published by Harper Collins, which is part of the evil Murdoch Empire, that Matt is a, I think he's a columnist, certainly has used to write a lot for the times, again, Murdoch. So there's no doubt that his employers are on the dark side. It doesn't necessarily mean that Matt thinks, well, my, my lizard headed overlords are keen for me to push this particular agenda. Let me dash off another best selling pop science book to satisfy their craving so that they can buy more adrenaline crone. You know, I don't think it, it works like that. I think that what it, what it's more likely to be,

37:24just just my theory. I mean, I could be wrong. It could be that Matt is flat out evil, although I've, I found him, you know, nice chap, a great boy. I've been, I've been, I've been social, I went to his 60th birthday or whatever everybody was. But I think it has to more to do with the way the enemy always coops all sides of the argument. They buy up everyone and everything they can. So for example, yes, you had people like Lord Munchen, Christopher Munchen and Lord Ridley, Matt Ridley as figureheads of, of the climate skepticism. And you had Nigel, Nigel Lawson, Lord Lawson, founding the global warming policy foundation to ask tough questions about climate change. And it's only, I can say that all

38:27these people as my heroic allies, they were next to me in the fox hole, even though I wasn't titled and they were, we were all equals in the great struggle against the behemoth of the climate industrial complex. And what I realized more recently when I become more awake is they're all part of the problem, the global warming policy foundation, which, which, which satisfy, which gives the illusion of tossing chunks of red meat to the climate skeptics. What it actually does is props up the narrative that this is a debate about science. And it's not a, not a debate about science at all. I mean, every time that the G, G W P F talks about foresings and feedbacks and the, the, the effects of, the, the, the focuses on the scientific issues, it, it, it draws

39:28attention away from the fact that the whole thing is a lie created deliberately by the evil elites in order to advance their agenda. It's not even worth talking about the science because it's all a lie. Correct. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing isn't it? Is it, I was, I got kind of way laid my school time days, you know, go back, reliving, reliving public school or whatever. And I was going to talk about, you know, kind of being, you know, in that private realm and people kind of don't really, or it's difficult for people to see outside of how people are controlled. And unless it's kind of direct orders, right? So when you're talking about, you say Matt Ridley is employed by his employers and his told, and he's not thinking. And I like to talk about intent a lot when it comes to this question, you know, if you look at it through the eyes legalistically.

40:31And I, I think of a lot of the things that I approach when it comes to what I'm doing with the Verology Control Studies project, what I do with the experiments that I run, what I do with just looking to find out the truth about a subject is that you put it on trial, right? You put it on trial as you put all the evidence out in front of you and and you see which way the evidence leads. And I think that, oh, it's not, I think that, but in the realms of a murder trial intent is kind of the highest part to it. It's the very echelon of what is premeditated murder to what is manslaughter, to what is, you know, a not guilty verdict really is intent is the character of people. And so I think that the vast majority, you know, it's made up statistic, but I think that the vast majority 95% of the people that are pushing controlled opposition narratives, those narratives that leave you

41:39punch drunk as a, as a, as a dissident. You say, you know, you get kettled into these things saying, oh, I think I'm, I'm tackling the climate and I'm putting all of my effort into these grassroots movements that are asking the questions that need to be asked, you know, you finally get up to the pool pit, you finally get up to the stand and realize that your questions are actually limited. You're not allowed to ask that question, you're not allowed you, that there are these tram lines that are set up so that you just punch yourself out. It's like a rope adope, you know, it's the, it's the, it's the wearing them down until they finally get to the position right there where they're stood, I to away with the person and they go, oh, fuck, but I can't ask, you like anything decent, I just kind of have to go, well, are you sure about that? And they go, yeah, and then, and then off you get, you know, and it's that kind of conveyor belt of, of

42:42not really realizing that you are just flowing into this, into this thing. So I would say, you know, 95% of these people out there that are pushing these controlled narratives, just don't realize that they're doing it, you know, they, they, and this is one of the things is that the digital age that we're set up in is the panopticon, right? You know, you're in, you're on Twitter, you're trying to make a name for yourself by, by being a dissident to whatever the current narrative is, you know, there are too many brown people coming into into the UK, they're flooding it and it's the, the collergy plan for, you know, flooding the Western world. And you go on to Twitter and to make a name for yourself, you have to boost your profile. Well, boosting your profile, you have, you are then a slave to the algorithm, the algorithm decides what gets promoted and what

43:46doesn't. And so you start to put out that some videos, this video works, this video doesn't work. You can't say the N word over here, but you can say, you know, whatever over here that, you know, Nigel Farage and his, he's on a boat. That's, that one sold really well. Nigel Farage in the middle of the, the English channel on a boat with an English flag and surrounded by brown people, without video did really well. Bear with us, it's got to be done. Another book, vlog from James. Global warming is a massive con. There was no evidence whatsoever that manmade climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with its enormous, distant problem. But how do you explain this stuff to your normal friends? Well, I've just brought out the revised edition, my 2012 classic book Waterman's, which captures the

44:51story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land. It's a shocking story. I wrote it, as I say, in the, well 2011 actually, the first edition came out and it's a snapshot of a particular era. The era when the people behind the climate change scan got caught, red handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed, in a scandal that I helped christen climate gate. So I give you the background to the skull jugglery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now. I rumbled their scan. I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scan, who's doing this? And, why? It's a good story. I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two

45:57new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought. I think it's, I think it still stands out. I think it's a good read, I'm obviously unbiased, but I'd recommend it. You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop, but you're probably fine, I'm like just go to my website and look for it. Jamesdellingpole.co.uk. And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease mother god, there we go, it's a scam. Now back to the deline pod. Nigel Farage and his, yeah, he's on a boat, that's, that one sold really well. Nigel Farage in the middle of the English channel on a boat with an English flag and surrounded by brown people, without video did really well. So you just suddenly start to push

47:02those videos because you're growing an audience, when you get there, when you get to where you're going to go, then you will start to ask the hard questions. But this is the trap that I think that people have fallen into is that they eventually get there if they do. And all of that time before, they've just been part of the sausage factory, they've been part of the controlled opposition narrative that Nigel Farage has been groomed to be the establishment hack that he always was, he was the whole thing of standing up in the European Union was just, you know, saying you're not laughing now was just pure theatre. It was his own controlled journey knowing that his political career was going to shape out rather nicely by playing the pantomime villain. And so I think that there are a lot of people that are the vast majority in in our realm that are perfectly nice them. My friends, they are perfectly honest people, but they just haven't thrown the shackles

48:09away of like former training, you know, former industry. A lot of people, they want to be a part of an industry, the medical industry, they're a medic for, you know, 30 years. Yeah. And they go, the jabs were bad, okay, and we can all agree the jabs were bad, you shouldn't take them. They killed people, they've killed likely millions. But just going, okay, well, I've thrown that away, now I haven't got a paycheck anymore, now I'm doing podcasts. Have you really thrown off that 30 years of preconditioning of every single textbook you've ever read of every single interaction that you've had of all of the training that it takes you to go there, you tell me that 30 years in, you've just all of a sudden managed to do the men in black click and gone, but no, I'm now a bastion of truth and everything that comes out is right. I think that people need to realize that there is

49:11a real kind of sea change, a real, you know, character change that needs to happen, which is almost starting right from the beginning, you know, almost the kind of what is it, the DMT trip or whatever, where it's like 15 minutes down the rabbit hole and you see fucking Jesus and you see the great, the little grey people apparently, right, okay, right, right, I think they're called the machine, machine creatures or something, right, I haven't done it. Have you? No, no, no, no, so we, no, I was never really a big, I didn't ever really touch psychedelics because my mind was kind of active enough as it was and so I kind of, I smoked a bit of weed and did a few of the party drugs and then kind of hung up my boots as it were and ever since I've kind of been on a bit of a health mission, I've stopped drinking, stopped smoking and tried to eat healthy now. I thought it was a bit kind of hypocritical if I was going to be kind of talking about health

50:13things coming on, you know, weezing and being hung over a wet right? It's really helped me, you know, I'm really glad I made the change, I have, you know, I feel a whole lot better but it's the same analogy with me, you know, I abused my body and my 20s and my 30s, I smoke, I smoke, I drink, I only ate McDonalds and Burger King for like every meal, you know, for 10 years or chips and all of that and I came to the decision that I was going to change my health and I made the wrong decision when I started which was I thought that I could just kind of take a pill and the vitamins or supplements or anything like that and it would just instantly kind of make a change like every single pill would kind of negate the cigarette that I had. So I smoked 20 a day so if I took this many pills then it would kind of balance them out in my body, right? And then oh okay, this time is six months, I'll be, I'll be rosy and it's just not the way, you know, these things like with the

51:18preconditioning in in the medical field, like with doing something for a long time, it takes a long time to get yourself back into balance before you can actually start to feel the positive effects and actually I think that a lot of people should be cognizant of the fact that potentially they haven't thrown off those shackles, potentially they haven't gone through those barriers that they need to go through of questioning themselves and questioning everything to do with their previous life, with their conditioning, with the social conditioning of the state, the establishment, everything that forms, you know, quotes unquote the beast system that we live in. And I think that we, we as a community will make a whole lot more headway by throwing less shit at the wall and just

52:20being more kind of precise with the messaging that we're giving out, rather than constantly trying to kind of feed into that thing and just constantly pushing stuff out and being more kind of precise in the truisms that we have. So what, give me an example. Um, I mean, I tend the way that I function is by finding out what it's not. I haven't really made any positive claims past. What causes disease, you know, people ask me these questions all the time. And I think it took me two and a half years to actually answer the question in any meaningful way, if not a virus, then what causes disease. And I've still kind of somewhat flaked out of it because I just say it's everything that the mainstream says minus a virus, which is true. It's a truism. So everybody agrees that if you smoke too much, if you drink too much,

53:22if you eat too much processed food, if you take too many pharmaceutical drugs, if you take too many recreational drugs, if you, the poison, the environment from the, you know, glyphosate and the food to the shit that's spraying in the air to everything like that causes disease. Nobody disagrees with that. And so that, that is a truism. What I think should be focused on is what is not happening. So, you know, viruses do not exist. It's as simple as that, you know, until you can prove that they do the burden of proof is on, is on the person making the positive claim. As is the same with every single one of the scientific processes where the climate changes happening, whether, you know, it's caused by carbon dioxide, all of these things need to be controlled for right the way down to, you know, the very fundamentals of what they're talking about. And I would also urge you to, you know, find out for yourself, you know, that's what I'm trying to

54:26do with the project that I'm running, which is open source and crowdsourced and going into these laboratories and going, can you do this science and show me what you come up with? You know, because these kind of scientists and the laboratories have been in that blinkered state where they get told and there's a pipeline for conducting the science where they go, this is what I need to find, this is my graph that I need to have and I have all of these chemicals in front of my, in my locker that I know creates this type of graph. And so, they get the, they get the job come in from Pfizer. Can you find me this new drug that cures, you know, cancer in, uh, gures, cures, you know, hair growth in bald headed, you know, um, African pigmies or whatever. And they go, okay, here, here it is. And we need this particular type of graph to look like this so that we can say that this drug is efficacious. And they know that this chemical does this and this chemical

55:30does that. And when they get the nice smiley face of the graph, they go, my job is done. None of it is set up to actually challenge the fundamentals of do the individual drugs actually exist like, in terms of in nature, are they actually doing anything past the inference of the, of the data that is pinging up on the on the machine that they have. And so, to kind of go, to go back to, you know, what is a trism and what is, um, I think that's the ultimate question, isn't it? What, what is the truth? You know, I think that the arena that we are in, and I said this in my latest article about Carrie Mullis, the controlled opposition figure, is is that ideal in the monetary exchange of truth to me, what is valuable is a nuggets of truth

56:32rather than money. Money is a means to an ends that it enables people to have flexibility. But really, it should be that actual commodity of truth, which should be the most valuable commodity in what we're doing. Well, it kind of is in the Bible, just not not not in this, this world where the God of this world is, is standing in for God. Yeah. Because that should be, a lot of people say that they kind of, they feel alone when they're in this kind of challenging nature of, of, of, uh, you know, the, the space that we occupy, you know, challenging things, whatever you want to call it, conspiracy theorist is an epithet, right? Conspiracy theorist is, you know, the thing that they call people to malign them to make them feel ostracized. And I guess that's, that's what it is, you know, is that

57:37there is always a kind of purity test within people within, and I've seen this since 2020, is is that there is really kind of no end to, um, what is faking gay, what is controlled opposition. I want to catch myself doing this as well, is that, and rightly people kind of take the piss out of me by saying, okay, well, you think the whole of science is, is bullshit. And I say, yes, you know, all the whole of, you know, they say, okay, you think DNA doesn't exist, you know, well, what about the whole of biochemistry and chemistry? And I go, yeah, I think it has the same problems. It has the same problems. And the fact that colorless liquids, you know, are just an inference on a machine. There is nothing actually visceral or tangible about what they are. They're just a, a colorless liquid named. And so they say, quite rightly, okay, well, nothing exists. And I think

58:40that that's a fair, it's a fair point. We could quite well be plugged into the matrix and our brain could be a nice little Tesla coil picking up, you know, ethereal waves that are transmitting into our psyche. I have no evidence for that. I have very little evidence for any of the fundamentals just as much as I don't know how we got here or what our purpose is. It has to be a belief system. But by the same token, I disagree with a lot of people whom in our kind of arena that we're sat in, go, everybody is controlled opposition. Everybody is kind of following some sort of Masonic, you know, rich wall, whether they know it or not. And the whole thing is kind of compromised because, you know, you're part of it. And I feel that it's somewhat unfair on some people that,

59:41if you're just trying your best, if you're trying your best and trying to be truthful at every single step, I think that it's not, it's not true either that you could get yourself down to, if you are born, you are born into this world and this world is in a, you know, a state political structure that if you get given a birth certificate, you are part of the beast system and are propagating, you know, Masonic lies. And I just don't think that that kind of line of rational or critique is helpful. And, you know, I see it quite a bit that it's a kind of bit of a dick swinging thing within our community that it's like everything. Absolutely. Everybody is compromised. I think there's got to be a little bit of give within that or a little bit of, I don't know, critique within that, a little bit of, yeah, give it a little bit of a movement in it. I think

1:00:52there has to be, if you had a scale of not one being Jesus and 10 being Hillary Clinton or or similar, I think that we should be focusing our attention on the people towards the 10, rather than the kind of people who may have said a wrong thing in their sub-stack where they didn't quite take the most extreme conspiracy position possible or where somebody wasn't totally on board with flat earth. I just think that these are not necessarily tells. There is a different stage of the journey to enlightenment and we're all the difference there. I think it's like I was an army. I used to believe that some have been a lot an evil man in the cave,

1:01:53brought down the Twin Towers. I used to believe that man had been to the moon because I had the collection of coins to celebrate it from Shell Garages. I used to believe all the stuff and it took me time to do it. There's even evidence of me four years ago not being totally sure that chemtrails were real. You can't be born, come out of the womb and go, there wasn't enough time to incinerate that many Jews in Auschwitz. You can't come out with a notepad straight out of the womb, cut the umbilical cord and you're right there. It just doesn't happen. No, in the same way. I mean you and I both had this education, a so-called elite education. Well, I don't know whether it was the same as King's country. I imagine it was, but the most important service in church

1:02:53in our school year was the Remembrance Day Sunday to commemorate the spectacular number of boys at the school who'd given their lives for the greatest cause possible for their country. It was always a point of contention. I don't know if it was the same with you guys, but we had to stand through the whole ceremony, right? There was always one feinter. It was one feinter through it, usually a sickly pale physics geek that have forgotten to eat that morning and you know, you kind of see them rocking back and forwards and eventually, uh, um, eventually they'll go. But yeah, I mean, there's the whole kind of pomp and circumstance around it, which is just, you know, paying deference to and, you know, that as as Brits, you know, as public school Brits. That's got to be the biggest, most obvious one is is that at school, you just think we were the

1:03:59good guys, right? We came along and we saved the world from, you know, you know, even that is from the nasty, badly bad Hitler. And at no point does anybody kind of go, well, you know, my mama, my dad and my grand were all dead as well. And, you know, my dad shot loads of, you know, innocent people and, you know, bond a whole load of places. You know, that surely is one of the most obvious things sticking out in people's faces is that war in general, you know, people get given this time where they go, a politician has now decided that it's okay to kill somebody. Here's a gun and go over there and when you're standing in this particular parcel of land, it's okay to murder somebody. We'll forget all of the tanker moments. We'll forget all of kind of, you know, a procedural law within the country that you're in and have at it.

1:05:02Yeah, I suppose this goes to the point you made earlier that that and it's not just public schoolboys, the problem is not the world's problems are not just public schoolboys. It's we are all and have been since birth subjected to this massive brainwashing program. And I don't think that I certainly don't blame people for thinking stupid thoughts when their whole lives, they've been programmed to think stupid thoughts by the movies, by their school, by their universities, by their whatever. I just I think it's I think it's vindictive and callous and actually frankly ignorant to constantly accuse people who are taking a kind of wrong position or a not quite right position to to assume bad faith on their part, to assume that it could be, it could be that their part

1:06:09of the big club and they're going to the child sex parties and they're sold their souls. I mean, we know this happens, but yeah, I don't think that the system would function if there aren't enough people out there who are willing to sell the souls that that blatantly I think most people are not good enough actors, you know, come back to what I was saying about intent, you know, within tent, you have to be yourself in the position that all of a sudden you have been ascribed say that you are the, you know, the James Bond of, you know, infiltrating the awake movement and staring them off guard. You have to be a very good actor, right? You can't just on, you know, choose day in August, switch on a camera and speak for an hour and a half and not have some of the kind of tell tell signs that maybe you're talking fucking bullshit. You know, you would have to be the most dedicated method actor, you know, far greater than, than, you know,

1:07:19Hollywood or anything like that where you would just live this life that, you know, maybe your wife, maybe your kids would know, but nobody else was allowed to know because it's even worse than like a CIA operative, right? Because you would, you would never stop the mission of where you are. And so I think the idea that there are people that, and I think that there are people that work for Mossad and CIA within these things, you know, pushing out propaganda. But on a day-to-day basis, you're talking like such a small percentage of people like, you just couldn't do it. You just, it would be very, very difficult to live the lie, right? I think the only, the problem with whatever we get onto the discussions, I always kind of want to smirk and then make

1:08:21some sort of school boys joke about how, yeah, you think that, you think that, you think that, you've underestimated my talent. When you do that, or in the past I've done, I've shown, I've thrown some illuminati shades by shapes rather by doing all that, doing all the kind of and the, and the, and the owl sign and stuff. And it would be so easy for one of these, twats for one of the better word, to just take a screenshot and they'd go, we've got you banked rights because you're making the owl sign that Pope John the Paul Second made and that they use in the, in the dark ceremonies at Bohemia Grove, at Bohemia Grove and, and you wouldn't know this stuff unless you were, or you wouldn't be doing this stuff unless you were part of it. And the same as a diagnosis, isn't it? You know, I've dealt with, with the, the, the hoax that was

1:09:26COVID for the past six years, you know, and when you talk about diagnoses of, of diseases, you know, it's very funny that basically in, in every single disease, I mean, people think that, oh, it was just COVID that, you know, you, you get diagnosed because you have a tickly nose or you, you can't smell or, or, or, um, or you have COVID toe or anything like that. But actually, when you scratch beneath the surface, every single one of these, you know, claimed viral infectious diseases has exactly the same lower grades of, you know, or you're, you're feeling tired, you, you have lethargy, well, that could be a bolo, it could be HIV, it could be smallpox, you know, oh, you have a headache, right? Okay, well, that could be measles or chickenpox or it could be the start of anything, right? All of these things, they say, they have, it could be cancer.

1:10:26The, the medical diagnosis for all of these things, and it's just a pipeline to kind of drag you into what I call the other pathic conveyor belts of death and diseases because they go, oh, you have a headache, well, it could be cancer. Here, take a pill for it. And then the pill makes you worse and then all of a sudden you have a headache and you have a fever and they go, oh, you have a headache and a fever, well, that's definitely cancer coming on there. Now you need to take this chemotherapy, it's muster gas that was used in trench warfare and well, well, one, but well, kind of gloss over that. Ah, your cancer is metastasizing. Now with FUQT and now, you know, you're terminal and now you're dead. And so there's this whole pipeline. And so I think that in a certain way, it's kind of the same, you know, people whom whom have an itchy eye at some point and get, you know, captured with, you know, in throwing up Masonic symbols, there's a lot like that kind of diagnoses of, you know, um, catch all net of diagnoses for labeling something

1:11:32with people. And I think again, you just got to be kind of critical of these things of like, is there somebody that is, and we're like, how those pictures come about where people are covering their eyes or in front of red brick walls or, you know, covered in blood is because you have people that are, you know, photographers within, I was family friends with David Bailey and knew his daughter's pretty well. And, you know, these people are just part of the system. They're exactly the same, you know, they, what sells is the goal and the, and they come up with these symbols and the way that they do it. And they just kind of get forced into doing it. That's not saying that they're not certainly paying deference to whatever is, you know, driving a lot of these people in satanic rituals and things like that. It's just, I think there's, like you say, a scale between

1:12:34somewhere between Jesus and Hillary, that I think needs to be assigned to people in, it's not very productive when you're kind of just mapping in the lower, lower couple of, um, points that all of a sudden you're being diagnosed as being a ten and, and, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, tasks with, with pushing the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the spunk of Satan into the world, you know, what Hillary gets away with it. Hillary gets away because it's got three because you're focusing on somebody, somebody on the three, on the three level. Exactly. Yeah. Although, I suppose the, the counter-argument, which I get, gets laid at me quite a lot of it. People get very, very cross with me for not believing that the world is spinning globe and not believing that water sticks because of this thing called gravity. Um, and I imagine that, well, you've already

1:13:37hinted that you get a, get similar stick for not believing in DNA because, come on Jamie, everyone's heard of Watson and Crick. They're, they're like really famous and it's like a kind of double helix. Do you know that? How can you not know? How can you deny something that's been given a, a name? And, uh, so it's, it's tricky, isn't it? Because they, what, what, what, what they want you to do is, is, is, is to prove that, how do you prove that DNA data doesn't exist? I mean, what, what's your, what's your elevator pitch on that one? Yeah. I mean, the non-existence of things is an interesting question because according to logic, it is actually possible to prove a negative. A lot of people think that it isn't, but, um, I can prove a negative right now, which is, I can't not prove a negative. I've just done it linguistically there. So if you can't not prove a negative, then you've, you've proved a negative because you've, you can't not prove it. So, um,

1:14:41what's there is a, there is a certain amount of, there is a certain amount of leeway. And obviously, when you come to proving things that we can kind of all agree, don't exist, say a unicorn, you, dinosaurs, and dinosaurs, you know, you get to the end of the, um, the search for a unicorn and you say, well, we have never seen one, we should lay down our tools until such a time that a unicorn appears and agree that unicorns don't exist. Therefore, we've proved that it doesn't. And so what I've done within, uh, uh, uh, virology is we conducted a control experiment. So we took the protocol of how they claim to isolate a virus. Uh, we took all of the, and it's, it's very satanic, you know, what they do within these things, which is take a borte human fetuses. Unfortunately, the cell lines from them, they mixed them with, uh, antibiotics, they mixed them with the

1:15:45hearts from around the, uh, uh, the blood from around the heart of a baby cow called fetal bovine serum in this kind of witch's brew, this potion. Um, and then they add an infected, um, sample. And when the, um, cell line, more often than not, um, a borted human fetus, unfortunately, uh, when the cells die, they say that that was because of the virus. And so what we have done is used completely independent, um, accredited laboratories to do the control experiments for us, uh, most of them in the US. And, um, we take the same witch's brew, but we don't put the, uh, infected material in and we get the same results. So the, it still dies. What's happening is is that the fetal bovine serum, which is used to grow the, um, the cells, uh, the, you, you, you cut them, uh, cut them out of a, uh, unfortunate victim, you cryogenically freeze them and then you take them out of the

1:16:47freezer and you can put them in a petri dish and grow them with the, with the, the blood. And, uh, they take the nutrients from the blood, uh, they grow and they form a monolayer. So all of the things and kind of patchwork on, on the petri dish and, uh, when they, when they get starved, when you remove that, that, um, that, that blood, they, uh, start to die. And that's all that's happening is that the protocols, uh, right the way from the World Health Organization that tells every single, the blanket, every single, if you want to be a virologist, you have to follow the protocols that they have for these lab technicians as a whole manual, the whole, um, guide called the M4A1 by the clinical laboratory standards institute that, uh, they say you must remove this nutrient serum when you put the supposed infected material in and they're starving the cells and then claiming that it's because of viral action. And so right here we have that exact, we found out how they

1:17:50have had such uniformity of fraud that has gone on in every single laboratory around the world. Because everybody says what every single virologist is committing fraud all at the same time and I say yes, they are told to in their protocol, as a top down measure, they get told to starve these cells and produce the observable effect that they blame on viruses that is fraudulent. And so we took that, we put it under a microscope and we looked in the petri dish and we saw 27 different types of viruses in a cell line which couldn't have possibly have contained any viruses. We saw things that looked identical to a bowler, to smallpox, to chickenpox, to HIV, to SARS-CoV-2, 27 different morphologies of these cell lines. And what's happening is that you get a cell, it's a very, very basic thing, all of cell biology that they've taught in the 1800s and 1900s that was propagated from the

1:18:51Royal Society's bollocks, the mitochondria, the ATP, the Golgi apparatus, its bollocks, the whole lot of it, it's just a very, very simple thing, it's a cell, like a battery, it's, you can grow, the way that you know that is, is that you can freeze them and regrow them. If it was anything difficult, you know, if it was anything very complex, you couldn't just cut it out as somebody put it in a freezer and then grow it again with some cow's blood. And that is breaking down, when you're starving it, it blobs off a little bit like a lava lamp, so the outside of it is a lipid of fat, like a fat in, in water, it forms little, they call them vesicles, and these blobs kind of float around as some of them are filled, some of them are not filled, the filled ones look like viruses, and they are what they are mislabeled as as viruses, so to kind of come all the way back, can you prove that something doesn't exist, like a virus doesn't exist, yes, because the definitive

1:19:52realm that they're looking at it in, am I doing a, I'm not doing a, an occult symbol, that is a petri dish, that is, that you look at a petri dish and there is the parameters of where a rologist is looking and you say there are no viruses in here, there are actually cellular debris which look exactly like viruses, so if you take an example, you say the bigfoot exists, you look and bigfoot, bigfoot only exists in HemoHempstiv Forest, and they say, okay, if you go to HemoHempstiv Forest and you find something that is a bear, it's not bigfoot, you go, actually you were looking at a bear all along, bigfoot doesn't exist in HemoHempstiv Forest, okay, so you have shown that bigfoot doesn't exist, we have strict parameters within the petri dish, we say, these are the confines of what we're looking at, if we can see and falsify what they have mislabeled

1:20:57a virus, we can say adequately, it doesn't exist because within their own parameters, it's mislabeled stuff, like a horse with a dildo on its head, it's not a unicorn, you go to a rippet, I only say that because it was actually a sun article, there's this comedy thing where it's the typical kind of clickbait thing, I ordered a unicorn for my daughter's birthday party, and I got a donkey with a dildo on its head, and there's a picture of this, it's like outside a council estate house with a donkey in the front yard with a dildo on its head, and I kind of use that analogy that it's like, they are calling a donkey with a dildo on its head a unicorn when it comes to viruses, and so to remove the illusion, to show that viruses don't exist, you remove the dildo, and there you go, it's been a donkey all along, and it's, you know,

1:21:58it doesn't exist, how you prove DNA doesn't exist? I would have to kind of think about the experiment about how, you know, somewhat I've shown when you isolate DNA, I mean, they say that you might have done it in school, you might remember it's part of the GCSE curriculum, it's, you take the strawberries, you mash them up with washing up liquid and salt, and then you pour ethanol in into it, and the ethanol separates off this giz, it's stuff that is, it's a telecooter, like giz, I mean, you know, it's stringy, gloopy, white, colorless giz, and they say that that is the building blocks of life, and so I just tried at home just to see what would happen if you didn't put the washing up liquid in or didn't put the salt in, and stuff with that potentially might not claim contained DNA, and so I put it in, you don't need

1:23:04the salt, you don't need the washing up liquid, you just put the alcohol in, and it separates off this giz every time, and so, you know, their basic claims of what is the building blocks of life is, you know, tenuous at best, I would need to kind of have a bit of a head scratcher as to how you would make it a bit more kind of official using those things, but I'm at the part where I am currently in experimentation, pulling apart the PCR and the genetic sequencing thing, and showing that it is, it's a hoax, showing that the PCR test does not test for what it claims for, and I will then go on to hold you in home sequencing. Hence your piece about Kerry Martin Monness, who is, I mean, the last five years, I've heard his name cited in the truth community, the truth not the wake not a community as I call it,

1:24:07as one of the heroes, and he died for us, he died for us, he was off, it wasn't, according to the, what's your take on him? Well, I work with a lot of people that came from the HIV era, and it's a fascinating story of kind of the controlled opposition, and we saw what happened with that. They documented very well, a very close friend of mine called Rod Null, who worked with a group called the Perth group. There were two groups of people challenging HIV. During the it is during the 90s, Fauci's first rodeo as it was where they were pushing AZT onto the gay community and killing them left, right and center, saying that they had this sexually transmitted disease, really maligning the homosexual community and committing what they all do, the politicians and the political think tanks about corralling certain sections of people and just murdering them systematically.

1:25:14And there were the two sections of people that were kind of pushing back, that of the Jewsburg and that of a faction, which you may not have heard of, called the Perth group, centering around a lady called Alainee Papados, Papadopoulos, Eliopoulos, who may or may not have been Greek. She was in Perth, a royal hospital, where she took up her tenure, and she was challenging the existence of HIV. And kind of on the other side, there were the more notable people that were far more kind of establishment, Peter Jewsburg and all of the people that were around him, David Rasmich and one of those was Carrie Mullis, who these were all decorated establishment people, that all were making drugs to combat cancer and Mullis was making drugs to combat HIV.

1:26:17And all of these infectious diseases, but at the same time they were claiming that they were against what was happening with HIV. And they all kind of came up with these weird and wonderful theories that never really quite cut to the foundational problems with the science of the phirology. So Carrie Mullis published a paper there. It wasn't HIV that was causing AIDS. It was actually a whole host of what he called latent retroviruses, just hanging around your body. And so here we can see a kind of direct obfuscation, a direct kind of looking to tram line, back into the germ theory narrative, back into the narrative that still pushes vaccines, still pushes pharmaceutical drugs, still enables all of the things that are the problem with the

1:27:19story of HIV and what happened. But just kind of covers it up with his own kind of I am challenging HIV because HIV doesn't cause AIDS. So he can come on and he can do interviews in front of red brick walls where he says, or I don't think HIV has a problem or any kind of loose terminology around this. And unless you actually read what he's actually pumping out behind the scenes, you think, ah, he's challenging it. When you see that he comes on and he looks very sweaty and he looks the camera dead in the eye and he says, if I was there, I would tell Fauci that he was an idiot. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Whereas actually when you find out that he, his company, his pharmaceutical company that he owns, it was given a $2 million investment by DARPA and that in his own emails, the David Rasmich, he was saying that he was working with Fauci. He was working with Fauci, but he was looking for a $10 or $20 million investment to go his own way so that he didn't have to work with him anymore. So all of these people were all

1:28:23shaking hands behind it, behind behind the scenes, you know, it was all one big club. And this all, this cut these two fractions came together in 2006 when there was a trial of a man called Andrei Chad Perenzi who was accused of spreading HIV to three of his former partners in South Africa. And both of these groups of people, the Jewsburg faction with Peter Jewsburg and a guy called David Crowe, who was a telephone salesman who kind of came in and had this thing called rethinking aids, which sounds exactly like, you know, the kind of controlled narrative that was happening with the climate change stuff earlier on that you know, to start the interview. And the other side, which was the path group, and the path group were backing, were on the defense of this man, saying that HIV doesn't exist and basically you have to prove that HIV exists to show that this man has infected former partners and show his guilt. And what happened

1:29:32was is that Jewsburg and specifically David Crowe and Christine Maguille came in who were all parts of the other side of the faction, what I would call the controlled faction, who came into the trial. They moved the path group out of the way. They brought in Carrie Mullis to testify and Carrie Mullis, judifully said, yes, my PCR test is fantastic. It can be used in a laboratory setting to show that HIV is present or is not present in somebody. And off the back of that, the judge said, okay, well, the PCR test tested positive for Andrew Chao Perenzi, a test positive in his partners, Ergo. This man has spread HIV to his partners and Ergo, he gave him eight years in prison. So Carrie Mullis, all of that group of people, the Peter Jewsburgs, who by the way, died quite recently after taking a jab, he had the COVID jab because he was working at UC Barclay at the time, he had a jab mandate, took that, departed this mortal coil, all of that

1:30:38controlled opposition group of people came in, usurped the trial and made sure that this man was guilty. And so it was kind of a 20 year battle between the quote unquote dissidents of what was happening. And here we see that who knows whether these people, I mean, we know that Carrie Mullis was directly employed by DARPA. We know that Peter Jewsburg was making drugs for annually ploy, it's just, you know, a bullshit part of cancer medicine, which is no different to any other of the oncology, big pharmaceuticals, they all work for big farmer effectively directly. And but who knows whether they were actually tasked to derail it? A Laney Papadocola cellopolis who died a few years ago on her deathbed said that yes, they did. She was quoted

1:31:39saying that David Crowe was the reason why the path group was destroyed. He was the guy that that that came in and specifically brought Carrie Mullis into the trial. And so you're to kind of document all of this. It is very much a clear cut case of a group of people that are posing as dissidents coming in and ruining a grassroots movement to try and get to the truth of what happened with an HIV. And the truth is, is that HIV doesn't exist. The truth is that there was never a virus that was spreading. And so those kind of stories, and I work with those kind of people as part of my project that are viscerally aware of these problems within a truth movement, that they can be derailed by groups of people with nefarious objectives to constantly bring back in a mainstream narrative for whatever reason, for whatever intent that they have. But that

1:32:39mainstream narrative is always going to go back to the same place. And I think we will find ourselves in the same position in five or ten years time when they're trying to run the same playbook again. And so that's what I've set up the Rology Control Studies project to do is to make sure that 2020 never happens again. And that people understand how a lot of these grassroots movements are derailed, how to find out the truth for yourself as well, because I don't want people to believe me. You know, I don't want people to take everything that I have as gospel and say that I am the authority. That's why I swear a lot. That's why I don't try and take the kind of authoritative line of, you know, this is my work and you should exactly believe everything in it. What I try and encourage people to do, and I've actually worked with a guy in Canada called Albert Matthews, who we did the second experiment, the backed up our first. So we went and we

1:33:47did it all over again. We went into the laboratory the first time. Albert came to me and I really respected him because he raised out to me on email and he said, look, Jamie, I want to conduct some experiments. But I basically, I, I, not that I don't trust you, it's just I want to find out for myself. And I, it kind of took me back because I was to start off with I was a bit like, okay, but all of the information is there. Like, are you happy spending this money to kind of, you know, do it again? And he was like, I just want to know purely for myself so that I can sit there and I can say, this is the exact gospel truth according to what, how I see it. And I think that that's the fundamental thing of like how you get to the truth, whatever that is, you know, we all have different versions of the truth, right? We all see things differently. But I think that it's really incumbent on people to go there and try it for themselves. And until you kind of wear these things for yourself until and I was always of the kind of mindset, you know, I pull things apart, you

1:34:53know, to my to my parents detriment that it was like, always just all what does that do pulling a car apart? And, you know, I fix my car now, the tractors and stuff, you know, I have a little bit of land here and everything's constantly breaking down. And I just think that it's it's good to kind of until you kind of, and we live in a world right now where actually we are so kind of empowered to do that where basically there are kind enough people on YouTube still about the world tell you how to fix basically everything in every car. I mean, they're desperately trying to, you know, with the whole kind of Tesla thing put in a kill switch, there's the kind of right to repair that they're desperately kind of, you know, doing where if your car breaks down now and it's more, you know, you have a flat tire, well now it's not just the case of changing the tire, it has a tire sensor in right? So you have to go back to your dealership to get to reprogram the tire sensor and,

1:35:54you know, it's all this kind of forcing you back in so they can charge whatever the fuck they want eventually, you know, because everything has a chip in there, everything is, you know, has a kill switch. And so, you know, I think that that's definitely something to be aware of. But I think that, you know, and the way that I view a lot of things like, and I also try and encourage people and lecture people about kind of freedom of the way that I kind of function in in France here, kind of off-grid or as much off-grid as I can be is that I kind of view things through the eyes of, if I fix my car recently, my, I have a really fucking clapped out voxel Zafira, it was 2008 and it's a right hand drive in that I bought over to France and the high pressure fuel pump when they make these things, I, God knows why, but the high pressure fuel pump in

1:36:59it has a tiny little rubber diaphragm and that rubber diaphragm, I didn't know, but if it gets a pinhole prick in it, fucks the car like you, you, you cannot drive it, just a tiny little, you know, rubber thing about yay big and it's constantly moving, constantly pressurising the fuel into the engine and it gets that and a mechanic quoted me to an a half grand and I, you know, I paid 1500 quid for this car about, you know, five years ago. So I thought, lo and behold, I found an Eastern European guy on on YouTube, bless his heart that pulled this thing apart and every single thing, if you read anything online that is put out by the manufacturer, they say you cannot fix this outside of, you know, our, our industry because it has to be put in in like a vacuum, right? They have to say, oh, well, this part, they, they have to create a vacuum seal around it and then they put it back together and this Eastern European is on those Polak or something like that and he's

1:38:02just gone, oh no, if you just do it underwater, then you, if you do it under oil, then you can just put it in with your hands and I was like, great, the, the park cost me a five, I did it under oil, put it back together, engine light went off and it's worked ever since. I fixed the two and a half grand problem that was probably a scrapage for a car with, you know, a couple of hours worth of searching YouTube to find it pulling this thing out and the way that I view that is is I have just made two and a half thousand pounds a day. I have generated that money and I think a lot of people are kind of trapped in this system where they kind of think I have to make all of this money to be able to pay somebody to do it and I think that this is kind of the, the new paradigm that I think that a lot of people would benefit from understanding is is that if you kind of save the money by doing

1:39:07a lot of these things yourself, you are effectively making that money. It's tax-free. What I did was tax-free. It's on top of that, right? And so I kind of try to put that into and we live in a world of AI. I just installed a geothermal ground source heat pump in my house using AI, you know, from from from the start. And so again, I just kind of ramped it up. I saved what was probably about 50 grand and it cost me about seven grand in total to put it in. And so I view that last, I mean, it's it's tough, right? It's tough doing those things because I mean the amount of kind of sleepless nights I bought the thing from China. It packed up in January and I was there trying to sort out some of the fuses that are blown with rubber gloves on my hands trying to take multimeter readings whilst on the phone to the Chinese guy that saw it to me on Ali Bubba

1:40:08at two in the morning because that's when they get up nine in the morning. And so, you know, these aren't easy things and I'm not going to say that it's like a utopian world to live in. But you don't have to have a nine to five that basically, you know, sucks on Satan's, you know, Schlongodon to propagate it. And so, you know, the other kind of thing that I wanted to add is that you know, as part of that, I came up and this kind of tapped into my all the way back to the start is that I had for a long time, I've been in the free energy kind of thing and figured out that it's bollocks like the whole kind of Tesla thing and creating free energy is a controlled movement. Like, I'm just as you've solved that one for me because I had wondered. Yeah, obviously probably about five years trying to make all these contraptions reproduce people that

1:41:10claim and you can get kind of what's what they claim is over unity, which is where it generates more. It's not it's not over unity because it's not a closed circuit, but you can make a little bit of energy, enhanced from general atmospheric energy with a thing called a Badini motor. So, you know, a lot of people use like a bicycle wheel where there's magnets on the outside, magnets on the inside, but you're talking about it takes you a bloody long time, you know, probably about three, four hundred quid's worth of material and you can light up a fucking LED. You can light up an LED and it's like, you know, champagne, you know, pop and it's exactly the same kind of thing of being roped dope, you know, punched out all out of energy, ironically, you know, and really a kind of back at the same, the same kind of thing, but I can tell people how to make free energy. The same thing with the Stanley Meyer thing was a controlled opposition of

1:42:11how to make a cargo run on water. Oh, is that what you do? No, it is, I mean, it's it's hydrogen, right? You can you can make a car run on water by splitting hydrogen. The thing that he negates to mention is that you have to do it with electrolysis. So, you have to have an initial battery source to do it, right? You, he's made a hydrogen car. He made those blueprints have been about for fucking ages, right? The hydrogen has, it's essentially a battery car. It's essentially a Tesla with the hydrogen part put on. So, it's it's fucking useless, right? This is brilliant. You're solving all my sands, all my, this, this is it. I mean, this is the crucial thing. And hopefully it'll be like an old fuck moment for a few of your listeners. I will tell you right now, there's a pa, there's my patent. I haven't actually paid into it, but I'll just, just, you know, treat it like it is. I can tell you how to generate free fuel for the car, for your car, for the rest of your life from water, from 99% water. It's very simple. And it taps back into a little bit of

1:43:16what I still think is a true conspiracy theory is is that if you take water and you take yeast and you take a sugar, it brews into alcohol. And all petrol engines with a very small modification run on ethanol. It's as simple as that. It got, it, it came through to me because here in France, it's a little bit different to the UK is that the use of E85 is quite prevalent, a pretty much every single petrol station in France, they sell E85, which is 85% ethanol. You will notice in in four courts in around the world, there's now sell E5, E10, which is or 98, which is just the amount of ethanol it has in them. But all race cars, I used to, my parents used a sponsor racing team, they did Formula 4, Formula 4, and 3000 Formula 3. And a lot of them,

1:44:21a lot of the races, the street races, they use pure ethanol because it gives you a higher octane. It actually pushes the performance of a petrol engine. And so a petrol, every single petrol engine, car on the planet will work on pure ethanol. And so here, you don't need to suck up the dinosaur bones out of the earth, obviously, that whole, you know, just very quickly, there is a perpetual never ending oil that is made because biomass is consistently pushed down into the earth. And as long as there is weathering, as long as there is biomass, as long as there is leaf litter, there is oil because it's constantly being pushed down and compressed. And in geological terms, it's nothing, which is why you can get peat from the earth, right? You just dig into the earth, and you get peat, and there it is, that's a log, and they do it in the island and Scotland,

1:45:22because it's biomass and it burns, right? And so that's all oil is, that's all. And it's never ending. But you don't even need to do that. You don't even, and this was the big con, is is that they conned you not only into thinking that it was rare, that it was dinosaur bones, but that you have to, you know, go out into the middle of the North Sea and drill down. It's, it's exactly the same scientist and that makes it inaccessible to people. They want to use that scientist and to say, you cannot access this. You only can, if you work for BP or Shell and have a fucking oil rig and have access to the land rights and be able to sail out into the middle of the North Sea. And this is what my conspiracy is, is that I'm pretty sure that the, what was the thing with the alcohol banning, the prohibition, the prohibition, was actually to stop

1:46:26people from making alcohol to run in their cars. It was exactly the same time during America, the Ford were, had the Model T, the people were having access to motor vehicles. And they realized that people were just making the alcohol in their backyards because you can just make it out of nothing, right? It's water, it's sugar, if you just grow corn, corn, water, brew it in the sun, there's your alcohol, you put it in your car, you're free to roam around. And so what they had to do was they had to stop people and come up with this cockamamey idea that they were, you know, it was for spreading, you know, whatever and congregating and it was for people's house or whatever for drinking. It was for putting in their cars and it was because, you know, if people have access and if you realize the ramifications of just being able to create a fuel in your backyard,

1:47:28you could put it in tractors, you can then, you know, use all sorts of agricultural industrial machinery that gets you away from the state, it gets you away from the machinations of the beast system and frees you up into wherever you want to be, right? And they desperately, you know, the energy thing is a real kind of vehicle for them for control. And so there's my patent, you can run your car on 99% water, brew alcohol and then you change the injectors to inject a little bit more fuel into the engine, it's about 30%. There are kits online for a couple of hundred quid that you can change practically any single petrol car to use 100% ethanol. In fact, Brazil, 95% of their cars run on ethanol. And do they do, do they do home brew petrol?

1:48:34I would assume so, it would make sense, right? I don't know, this is a very good question. But yeah, their whole infrastructure is set up on ethanol running cars. And so I don't know how or what the kind of politicians globally say about that. But yeah, I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if that kind of idea kind of caught on that you could do it. At the moment, obviously, it's difficult because there's no kind of infrastructure to do it. I do it for my garden tools. You can do it for, I have just a ride on Loma, an Astrumor and a chain saw and everything like that. And it's very easy to change those because you just muffle the air intake a little bit more. So you just cover the air intake into the carburetor and it runs perfectly adequately on ethanol. And so, you know, just with the price

1:49:35of fuel, you know, we've seen again, you know, the machinations of the war like a war for, you know, printing more money for, you know, pushing all of the scams all at once, where we see that the dinosaur bone, you know, black gold is skyrocketing again and so on and so forth. This is all just a fabricated thing. But yeah, I was I don't know whether it's going to be a short answer this one, but I just write it the beginning when you mentioned the Eard Red geology. Lyle was he was he was bullshit, yeah, Charles Lyle. I don't know him. Charles, wasn't he a sort of foundational sort of didn't he write the foundational text of geology? Oh, potentially. I didn't pay that much attention. I was there. I went to like

1:50:39less than 5% of my lectures. I was fucking stoned out of my box for the most. I just didn't fucking sense of my life. Which college were you in? Hatfield, which is the good one. It's the posh one. Yeah, I could have gone to Oxbridge, but I went to the Oxbridge dropouts. I just kind of viscerally knew that I didn't want to kind of do anything within those kind of tram lines. I was just I was I wanted to make music at the time. I fucked around on the periphery of the music industry for 10 years. Did you make any records I would have heard? No, no, not that you would have heard. I made a lot of music, but never really saw the light of day. I put it out on soundcloud and stuff like that, but I was an engineer for a little bit. I engineered down in in in pathway in in Peter Gabriel studio called Real World. I engineered for a little bit of time in a place called Assault and Battery

1:51:43studios in in London. I saw the inner machinations of the industry and it's fucking sick and satanic and I did it really. Did you know how much the same same you know? How much of that did you see? I mean, what do you can you give me any memorable anecdotes of that? It's just debauchery, isn't it? The whole thing is just selling the rock and roll idea of sex, drugs and rock and roll and you know, it's just pushing the seven deadly sins, isn't it? Like everything is about a political agenda of any single political agenda that they want to inject into those things and wrap it up into a very protectorate kind of cult where they don't let anybody that hasn't jumped through the right hopes of who you know or how much you've

1:52:51degraded yourself to be able to be manipulated at any one time, right? And I think it's the same as ever as I would imagine journalism is it's the same as any of these these industries that you know, you kind of you have to you have to sell your soul to get into and I kind of just wasn't prepared to do that and I saw enough that I kind of got into it and got out of it on scale it's the little bit like public school. I've never really committed to any of these things which is made me a kind of jack of all trades and a master of fuck all but I've kind of managed to you know, see a little bit of here and there the same same with the council worked for the council for like six months on the Ashford asylum seekers bureau.

1:53:54So I've come from Ken obviously in Canterbury and Ken was a school and I moved parents kind of in the world of Ken the middle there and my summer job before I went into university was working for Ashford by our council the asylum seekers bureau where they they they log every single asylum seeker that comes into the country and so being in Ashford Ken it's like the biggest you know, data center for the asylum seekers coming in as an 18 year old for some fucking unknown reason they put me looking expert Excel spreadsheets of the expenditure of every single one of these asylum seekers coming in and I was kind of the understudy to the financial officer there and so I saw how much they were being paid as a wide-eyed 18 year old and it was just stunning to me as a kind of then I would have class myself as a you know a blue blooded conservative that was

1:54:59your jolly hockey sticks and it was amazing that I saw that you know four five thousand pounds a month for an unaccompanied minor and all of these things were just being pushed into expenses so that's the kind of scam in politics isn't it they all kind of look at you do hide and say oh is a MPI only get paid 80 grand a year or whatever like how do I ever survive well it's because you're chucking everything on to expenses I mean even as an 18 year old they were they were allowing me to take driving expenses so you can it's like 30 p.m. mile that you claim back on on driving expenses because they calculate that it's like what damage it's doing to your car on top of the so you just claim back for basically four five times as much money as you spent on fuel at the end of the month purely on driving and like when you open up the checkbook

1:56:00of public money to to to expenses they just rape it right they just it's a free for all and so I saw this as a wide-eyed 18 year old and obviously for the next like 10 years I went on that kind of controlled opposition march of going they're letting them into our country and they're you know doing all of this and I kind of you know it just took me a long time to kind of figure out stupidly obviously that it was just the state that was the problem that if they didn't have this geopolitical border that they had put up in the first place nobody would fucking come like do really think that a Somalian would pass through the beautiful vistas of of of Italy to come all the way to Dover if there was nothing in it for them if it was just a geographical location and it wasn't the fact that it was the state that was going to pay them of course not if you just remove the geopolitical borders there would be no there would be no you know asylum seekers or anything

1:57:04like that it's a totally fabricated political sphere that they've just gone these are our borders and this is you know and they've set up that that you know Hageilian dialectic the the the the but it's the physical border itself isn't it you know that they go this is the state and this is our kingdom and this is our empire and they have created the problem and so it took me a little bit of time to kind of throw out that conservative thing and taken a little bit longer to kind of come to the realization that I'm an anarchist or you know I just don't believe in politics or rulers or anything like that you know politics in general is just a sham right where'd you stand on that now where's where's your kind of wealth it's on the specific you mean on the specifics of

1:58:11of all these boat loads of people coming across or politics in general like where'd you see yourself oh right I don't even I don't even engage in politics anymore it's all fair yeah so I used to define itself define as a libertarian conservative because I didn't want to be one of those stuffy conservatives just believed in just just tradition I was kind of edgy and groovy but now I just look at people who define themselves as being on the left or on the right is just idiots really well it would dupes dupes of the system left and right just artificial divides you know a part of the right and rule and all the parties are compromised they don't believe that voting makes any difference to anything I think you just have to opt out as you've done first they're kind of you know there's the delusion of democracies isn't it that you're kind of voting for who you want to extort you of money right like the kind of notion is is that

1:59:12okay I want to choose this person or this person to give my money to it's like I don't really know why like you know it's that kind of roundabout thing of who will fix the roads or whatever if not if not for the taxation of the general popular civil fix the roads and again that kind of falls apart in France a little bit because well who will build the roads well the motorways are privately owned right and they function fine you know the motorways are pretty good right that when you realize that the government doesn't need your tax the sole purpose of tax is to take away your freedoms with the friends which money offers to make you more vulnerable in need of kind of the government to provide its layers of support because you can't afford it otherwise I mean they just print money they will you've given a given a perfect example of

2:00:19the the government's always complaining it hasn't got enough money and this government particularly was talking about how it was to increase taxes but the amount it splurges on on these immigrants and not on on things like taxes for children who can identify as having some kind of mental condition that means they have to go to a special school that those taxi driving taxi cab companies are making millions people are calling millionaires of just providing this service for councils and the council tax pay you're thinking hang on a second when did anyone ask me do you want your money to be spent on taxes for kids which may or may not have a problem to go to some remote school they put it in need to go to the same I mean the only people that kind of engage in that are the people that have figured out how to you know chicane around it to make a kind of profit of it right like the rules and regulations are set out and with every rule

2:01:23there's always a way to circumvent that rule I mean we kind of found that out of public school right like at kings it was like there's so many rules you know that you couldn't be more than six it did you have the six inch rule yeah six inch rule did you yeah you had the opposite sex yeah it's more because I was a move them that they want you to be homosexual yeah they do that that's what they want I mean there was a six inch rule you won't allow to wear for home clothes t-shirts with large logos on it because we're in the city of Canterbury you won't allow to congregate on the pavement in large groups you know there's all these sorts of weird and one you know we had a we had a person in school called the beetle who I recently got an email from the school saying that he'd he'd died probably probably the the job and his sole job he had a little

2:02:26nook under the under the moan library a kind of Norman beautiful Norman staircase built thing he had a tiny little kind of shed buried in there he was he ran the CCF and his other job was to walk around in a bowl of hat telling people to tuck their shirt in so he was like a kind of like a moon dog exactly yeah the bulldog at eight and and you know so they had all of these rules and the real fun to public school was just getting away with them right like learning to circumvent the rules and learning to kind of you know get away with all this sneaking out through the things of the goals dormitory and you know being able to smoke out the window a friend Matt devised the system of putting McDonald's straws together so they had a cigarette on one end and he could be on his bed and like get the cigarette out of the V-lux window at the top and he had one set of

2:03:27McDonald's straws here and the other set with a a fag on the end and it was like in surround out through the other you know it's all that you become like inventive right and I think that all of these rules within politics is exactly the same they set out these rules and then it's just the only people that kind of enjoy them are the ones that just learn that they've got their little grift going where they kind of you know they're putting in the the tax relief for this or you know they manage to get something V-80 free or whatever and it's just you're falling into the same trap of you know government handouts you're you know more than on the doll and learning to kind of just scrape a little bit more than you would usually get and ultimately you're never free when you're doing that you're never actually free to choose you know what you want to do and when the shit hits the fan in 2020 you know that's the reason why I've decided to make a change is because somewhat I was I was I was free I had like a little market garden out

2:04:34the side that I was growing fruit and veg and I think that it's important to kind of you know I don't want my fruit covered in pesticide in from the high for sale I don't want you know all of this stuff and the best way to kind of make sure that that's happening is is to grow your own is tough you know I had another kid you know since then I kind of rolled back a little bit but I have a syndicate with with a farmer who rears cattle vaccine free you know tries not to feed them anything you know antibiotic free and so on and so forth so I get me from him and tried to kind of work myself into the fact that here in front you know a lot of the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing with the Verology Control Studies project slightly different to the UK is is that we had a vaccine passport with a vaccine passport for nearly a year and so me and my family were completely ostracized

2:05:35from everything you know a lot of my family back in the UK didn't realize how bad it was here we weren't allowed to go to bars restaurants football stay you know sports and stadiums we weren't even allowed to go to soft play center for my kids and so literally it was only a supermarket for nearly nearly a year and that really kind of inspired me to go well if this ever happens again worst case scenario I don't have to rely on going anywhere at all you know if I'm growing my food if I'm making if I'm fixing my own cars if I'm doing all of this then if if I've set up solar panels and get water from a well then I kind of filter straight off the roof into the large parts and so on and so forth so if I if I kind of make myself a little bit more kind of independent I'm not completely off-grid I still kind of tap into it a little bit but you know if I kind of get it to the point where I can just go I don't need you guys like that's it then I feel more

2:06:41comfortable I feel more empowered I feel less scared by kind of what the state has to offer Jamie I've absolutely loved drawing G it's been great where can people find out more about your project so I release all of the studies all of the experiments all of the right types that I've done on my sub stack at control studies I'm also on Twitter at Jamie under a again underscore again a underscore I can't remember I got trucked off of Twitter about three times and so it's a kind of concoction of that I'll give I'll give you my handle words but the sub stack is kind of the more official stuff it's all for free you can read and engage there we are running experiments as we speak and going to be releasing those very shortly and then

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