"It's Not A Cold Case" — Father's 2,000-Mile Journey To Find Missing Son

0:00Hey, everybody. Welcome to Crimly Obsessed. I'm Ann Emerson. A father is pushing for change in the way we search for missing persons when every single second counts. We're seeing the search for Nancy Guthrie unfold and we know there are so many missing persons cases in the United States. In fact, as many as 600,000 are reported annually according to the national missing and unidentified person system or name us. So what do we do? According to David Robinson, laws need to change now, right now. He's the father of Daniel Robinson, a 23-year-old geologist who went missing in the desert of Buckeye, Arizona back in 2021. Let's get into it. David, it is so good to have you on this show. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. David, your search for for your son has led you to really

1:00helping other families and pushing for big changes. And do you believe this will bring more missing persons home than work you're doing right now? Yes, you know, every area, anything that we can do collectively, when I say collectively, everyone has a part, plays a part, and finding out missing loved ones. And what I'm trying to do here is another part of that to increase the opportunities for families and the awareness of what's happening in our country. Yeah. And David, tell me, let's start with today what you're working on right now. Tell us about the Help Find Missing Americans Act or the Daniel Robinson Mall, right? Yeah, this legislation was, I wrote this legislation when I was in Arizona, search for Daniel. Speaking with a lot of families who have missing loved ones, the pain that they're going through, what we're going through as a family, you know, trying to find solutions to one of the problems that we still that still remain in in my son's case is getting a cell phone pain data. And also,

2:02we already know that things like that is crucial when it's done really quickly. And some of the hindrance that when it comes to law enforcement and well as families are getting that data is the issue if it's not a criminal case, for instance, law enforcement's hands are tied a lot of times for just to give a warrant. And also, we have telecommunication companies that have their privacy policies to other policies and retention times that allow us not to use technology that's available here in 2026. Between time of searching for Daniel, try to learn how to write legislation, how to write a bill, and I was able to accomplish that, write a bill for the US for our federal government. And so that's sort of the birth of Daniel Robinson law. That's amazing. I mean, this work is so important and could make an impact for so many people. What has been the so far, what has been the the feedback that you're getting?

3:03Well, I get a lot of feedback from families more so than anyone. I have a family that I'm working with now. They daughter went missing in the California. And you know, that Daniel Robinson law would have been very important in this case as well. Harris is on news channels crying out for that very exact thing. You know, hey, law enforcement tell us that we have to have a warrant just to go get those data. And they're crying out, hey, look, we need something different. We need something to change, but that shouldn't be a hindrance. Families would come out to me and express their need for this bill. Well, and this is such a personal journey for you, isn't it? I mean, can you take us back to 2021 and and and tell us about your son Daniel's case? Yes. It was the most devastating day. Of course, right here in my home, when I received that phone call in my spot that Daniel, you know, everyone knows what I like to see it outside. It changed our life as a family. It changed our life. My daughter called and someone was looking to see if

4:07they was at her apartment and you know, he would see if he was home, those type things. And you know, just the pain of not knowing what was going on at that day. And at the same time, not getting the answers I really needed from law enforcement when I was when I called. It was really rough. It was really rough just even trying to navigate that, navigate that. What to do first, what how to do it and things like that. So I can say, yes, back in 2021, when it first happened, day in first went missing, was the biggest and the most devastating day of my life. How did you find out that your son was missing? Yes, I have received a phone call from my daughter. She was very just disturbed about someone come to the apartment. Look at the Daniel. He expressed that he was one of Daniel's co-worker. He's been with Daniel before to her place. She probably didn't remember. And he told her that Daniel was last seen at his work site. He just took off and no one saw him again. And so, of course, she was devastated about that and she called me and

5:10caused me to father. The first thing I had to do was try to get her calm. You know, we all know that we have to do our diligence first. I mean, go check your CV's home, make sure he's okay, call all his friends, his mother and our divorce, but I was able to call her and her husband to see if they heard from them. We did those first and of course, no one heard from Daniel. That was the first indication that something was wrong when we got to that point. I've seen his daughter, his sister over my daughter over to his apartment and to see if he was there. And when she got there, she said, hey, his vehicle was gone. She saw a little light on inside. She could look through the blinds of his patio and see a light on the living room. But his daughter's a lot, for instance. And she was knocking and she was trying to see if he was in there, but no answer. So those indications was really, really hard for us, especially with friends and family. And no one had heard from Daniel that day. But then when I look at the time difference, a three-hour time difference from Arizona to South Carolina.

6:15And it was over six hours. And I know Daniel, you know, I'm a single parent, a single parent raised in Daniel, his brother, his sisters. And I know when the way he thinks and, you know, how he, what he does in the day. For instance, he talked to his siblings almost every day. He talked to me at least two or three times a week. We talked for over two hours. Daniel always tells us where he's going. He always tells us his plans if he having travel plans, things like that. So without all of that, we lose something was wrong. And that was the first indication to at least start off with a welfare check and then also end up ended up, you know, putting in a missing person report. And David, you're thousands of miles away. I mean, it strikes here and me, like as a parent, you know, I just, I just had my 20-year-old over in California for a week, you know, and you're, you're constantly wanting to know that they're okay. That's right. That's right. Yes. And, you know, in the 2000 miles away, when I had to go search for Daniel, I just heard that language of law enforcement and I started driving. My mind

7:17just went away and I just did what's natural to me being a former truck driver. I just threw everything in my vehicle and just started driving. And that's when that 2000 miles became so real. I wasn't getting there fast enough. And, you know, just being that far away, you know, be proud. But, you know, before Daniel and me, of course, as a parent, I'm proud that my children had decided to spread their wings with a lot like tell them they're younger and see what the world is all about. See what the country is all about. You know, be able to be independent, but like you said, as a parent, it's really hard to be away from your children at that distance, you know, apart, especially when the situation like what happened with Daniel. And when you were driving across 2000 miles, you're trying to get to Arizona. I'm sure you're having plenty of conversations. Are you talking to the police about where they're investigating and what they're looking for? Yes. Yes. Yes. One of the things is trying to get information myself, but trying to provide all the information that we can to law enforcement. And you can imagine, yes, driving and

8:18speaking of law enforcement, talking to Daniel's job, his co-worker, his supervisor, trying to even get content with the owner of the company, just getting details, you know, they're, they're safety mechanisms, but things they do, what they are doing, those type things, what could be done. And so, yes, trying to handle all of that and drive at the same time, it made that journey rougher to, to, to even navigate. And what were the roadblocks that you were facing? Like, besides the time difference, and then you're in the car, and then you're just trying to get there. Like, what were the roadblocks that you were not getting information? Or you, you felt like you were getting stymied? It's the initial thing that calls me to jump in my car in the first place, you know, coming from South Carolina. I, I smile about that because I was a kid. I, I know how things were before. They don't sell phones, so you can tell you how old I am, that we had to deal with law enforcement as a child. You know, just hearing that language that was given to me about Daniel, I didn't see no urgency. They said, hey, we put them in, see,

9:23I see database, and they're explaining me that, hey, look, if you get pulled over, it's a law enforcement can see his tag and then automatically come on their dash that someone's looking for him basically, you know, and it wasn't the urgency to say, hey, he's an endangered person, even under the circumstances, and we need to send that helicopter out there because I did ask for that, that night when Daniel was missing, and they did not, that said, they were doing the morning, but then after that, they did not it again, said, I hire up said, he's a grown man, he could disappear if he wanted to. That language is what calls me to get in the car. Also, as I was driving, trying to still push for law enforcement to get a bird in the air to go surf on, it wasn't happening to get some things done, maybe, you know, to the new cycles, the local news, those things wouldn't be done, trying to get information that I can from his co-workers and his job. I've got some of that, and that was some of the blessing from his job, they gave me some of the ideas about where he went missing, it wasn't also snoring desert,

10:26so that's when I first heard, but yeah, it was really hard, it was really hard trying to get anything from law enforcement at that point. Because your son was a geologist, I mean, he was where he was supposed to be, he was at the job site, you know, he's in the desert, he's working on what he needs to be working on, and nobody knows, like a parent does, when that radar goes off, it's urgent immediately, you know, that people aren't where they're supposed to be, and we got to move. Yeah, and it is, one thing is just hearing what his co-workers, where his boss told me, Ken Elliott is the guy that Daniel was going out there to meet, he's telling me the story at the time, when I was driving what was told to him, and you know, just hearing some of that language, like you said, as a parent, knowing your child, those things didn't match with his personality, who is his person, so those things stood out to me on that journey to Arizona, so the only thing I can think of in my head at the time, I needed to go speak with Ken, and we had eye to eye father to father, if he's a father, he had to be exactly the same thing, what law

11:30enforcement said, that he told them, is because, you know, I just couldn't get that language, didn't sound like Daniel to me. So the language that you heard, that he was expressing to his co-workers, was not things that you expected to hear from Daniel, you knew something was off. Right, in a various way, or in a, or in a, just in a mental health way, do you mind telling me how, what was off about that? Well, it's a little bit of both, a little bit everything. The couple of things that stood out to me was the fact that, you know, Ken said, that he said he was so tired, I guess, and he wanted to go back to Phoenix to rest. I can tell you at that time, it didn't dawn on me that when he said, Phoenix, my son didn't even leave him, it's a time he lived in TNP, but that didn't dawn on me, the part that dawn on me was that he said he wanted to go back to rest. And, you know, one of the things about my son, he's, he's responsible for that, that well site, you know, then he's the chief person, he ain't worked for

12:32a Web of Waterworks, and that's the secondary company that come in. And so Daniel could have just shut down the site basically for that day. If he was that tired, he definitely wouldn't have gone to the first well site, nevertheless going to a second well site if he's that tired. He know what it is about being safe, if you're tired, you know, you're working with equipment, you're not going to go out there sleepy. So, that stood out to me, so I wanted to hear Ken tell me that, and the other party is, you know, he said, he was saying things that didn't make sense, and to the fact that he was looking him down your eyes, he said, he's looking his eyes, I guess, to see if he's as so dilated or something to the effects. And I know Daniel, he's not going to let another man just look there and looking into his eyes and stuff like that. So, that was unbelievable to me, you know, certain things that will say it. So, of course, that just drove me to say, hey, you know, me, I can't help talking. And that's what I did when I first got Arizona. First thing I wanted to do is make sure I spoke to the law enforcement, but also to talk to Ken. Okay. Now, you've done searches for years now looking for Daniel. And I know that with the

13:40the Nancy got three case that's going on right now. I'm sure you're following it. I mean, it's just extraordinary. That's an Arizona as well. What is searching like in that landscape? What are the specific challenges you're going to have in a landscape like the Arizona desert terrain? Well, I'll tell you what, you have to do your homework first. I did a lot of that, learning about that desert out there. It's very challenging. You have to wash it in the ravines. You know, you also have mines. That's vertical mines and also horizontal mines. Desert. You know, we all know it's a desert, so you have wildlife. So, it's a lot of things and challenges that you have to face. But the biggest part was the, you know, the how wide and how broad the desert is. It's very intimidating. So a person can be standing in one spot and they can go north east of west and then away between and start hitting the straight line. And your

14:41search efforts have to be each of those. Just because you don't know which direction that person had off on. So it causes you to have to search the spans of area just to make sure your love one is not out there. Like I said, you have a lot of shrubberies and things that can be high to person. And it isn't so much. So yes, it's very hard. Did you have to deal with the elements of the heat in the day? Sometimes it's cold in the mornings, really early in the morning. So, you know, it's those hot things, searching the deserts is really tough. How many searches have you done now for Daniel? Yes. As of April, the 12th of last year, it's been 50 weeks of desert searchings. I realized at the time, went by really quick, but it was 50 weeks of desert searching out there. 35,000 acres of land covered out there in that desert. Unbelievably tragically, you haven't been able to locate your son. But you have located other missing persons. Is that correct? What was it?

15:42What was it like to share that information with those families? I remember the first human remains we found, you know, of course, in a time that happened, and especially that first time as well, it was really hard. During the time I had my children who would come out to the search sometimes. But to find other human remains out there, it was, it's a bit of a sweet thought in your mind that come in your mind because you know you're helping somebody, someone the family. At the same time, you know that family I want. Their loved one found in that manner. So it's one of those things that was really tough. You know, then also of course I'm dealing with Daniel and I'm hoping that we don't find Daniel in that kind of position as well. But yes, just bring those closures for families. I know one family specifically out of Florida who's very grateful to finally locate their her brother. You probably remember the human skull that was found. And so that was very grateful for those remains to get them some type of closure.

16:47It feels great to be able to give someone some type of healing. It's not the healing that they want, but they get some type of healing. Yeah, 100%. I mean, it is, I've been out there in the South Carolina area talking to people, searchers, trackers, organizations, and that is often the case isn't that that that you do come upon remains that are not the one that you're looking for. That's right. Which is tough. So many people have been moved by the work that you're doing for Daniel and hearing his story and how the perseverance alone has been extraordinary. Can you tell me what the latest is with with your son's case and and where it stands five years later? Well, one thing for sure, despite of what law enforcement may or anybody wanting to classify Daniel's case, it's not a cold case. It's not a cold case by any stretch. You know, it's this handling of Daniel's case is the issue that I have been having from day one. You know, I was able to

17:52have a custody transfer of things with law enforcement on April the 10th of 2025. Really? Yeah. So that's what we're at right now. I was able to get that custody exchange and with promises of doing the things that shit up done, been done initially. What I like to call the crime scene where the vehicle showed up and also some of the things that was found in Daniel's apartment. So those things we did the custody exchange. I'm using body cam footage. You name it everything, but I can't report that law enforcement still haven't moved. And one of the things that bothers me with that is the promise that the Buckeye Police Department have given myself and my family to conduct those, those, for instance, on their beds and all the other things that I was able to give to them to have tested. They haven't moved on just yet. And so what we're doing right now is constantly still putting pressure on law enforcement to do so. I have a four-year quest to find out exactly what have been done and what haven't been done. So they have a little

18:53leeway right now to have that completed. But right now, as it stands, I'm still pushing what I'm planning to do in the meantime of running for office right now. So that's keeping me from a lot of movement. But to get back into Arizona where I can put a little more pressure because I noticed that anytime you're there in law enforcement's face and give them that kind of pressure, they actually start doing things and moving. Yeah, they see you there and they know that they're going to have to answer some questions, right? I mean, did they ever give you their scenario of what they think happened to your son? Did they ever give you anything to work off of? Yeah, and that's what caused me to, when that Buckeye showed up, they gave me a lot of theories and that's what caused me to get a private investigator. The initial thing that Detective Biff and told me, you know, after you tell him the car rolling flip and he believed Danny had a severe head injury that's made him shred his clothes off, is that he felt that Daniel, because he shred his clothes up, you know, he had to make your highs with his sand and he walked off some

19:54wear and hit on a bush to cool off and then a wild animal ate him or something to that fat. The second thing he was saying to me that he maybe, Daniel joined the monastery, become a monk to be away from his family. So those, those ideals of law enforcement, as well as the fact that they're, they was basing eight during the time that the vehicles deals for 30 days, despite of what the ranchers said who found the vehicle, say it wasn't there today prior. They wanted to base things on this 30 day thing for whatever reason that the vehicles there since June 23rd, 2021. Just to remind you of the timeline here, Daniel went missing on June 23rd, 2021 and was last seen in his Jeep renegade heading toward the desert. We know Daniel's Jeep was found crashed, rolled over in a ravine on July 19th, 2021. A rancher found the Jeep on his own property with the airbags deployed, along with Daniel's cell phone, wallet, keys and clothes. The issue and the disparity here is that law enforcement says the vehicle was there for 30 days,

20:56but the rancher says he went searching for cattle on July 17th, 2021 and the vehicle was not there. This rancher always maintained that that Jeep was not in the ravine until he returned on July 19th. And you know, the evidence and the information that matched what they were saying. So those things caused me to get a private investigator and it could still continue to do my own independent investigation of all. So that's where that's pretty much what law enforcement stands on that point. Okay. Well, that's hard to hear. Oh, it is very hard. Very hard. That's not helpful. No, not helpful at all. So, you know, it's not helpful at all when, you know, you have a law enforcement agency in my opinion, doing the opposite of what you think they could be doing. My investigator, for instance, found a lot of information. We found the 46th edition cycles, found 11 additional miles on the vehicle. He found the red transfer paint. He found the two impressions on windshields on beating the windshield and he found what happened near the first initial

22:01crash happened near one o'clock that evening. So, it's a couple of things like that was actually found hard evidence. The damage that matched terrain, for instance, and still a law enforcement embracing those things and working with those and found it out. The credibility of it for one thing. The second thing is to find out some answers. They hired the own private investigator of their own, which I thought was weird because they haven't detected this, but they've hired a private investigator to rebut anything my investigator found. It's what the way I take it, because and only ways I could take it that way is because they're probably an investigator, have not even examined the vehicle. They had he never physically touched it or I'd say taste it or smell it. He haven't even been there, but used third-party pictures to make a full report about something you have never seen in his life. So, so those type of things was very problematic for my case that I'm continuing to have right now. My investigation, I'd like to say, into my son's case,

23:01and as well as my private investigator at the time, his investigation was a hindrance to getting the answers that we're looking for. Yeah, I mean, that would make me angry. That would absolutely make me angry. I mean, you've worked with other families I understand in this space as well, like the potatoes. Can you tell me what some of these struggles and frustrations are like that maybe the public doesn't know about? Well, you know, it's always been about the urgency. I think with every family I talked to, it's a shared common thing about this urgency. When we see something that's very urgent and we feel that lawful to kind of drag their feet or their fine reasons for non-actions or a lot of assumptions, for instance, and things like that. So, you hear the same kind of things that happen across the board, or a lot of times it's law enforcement not being able to handle a case load like Miss Love One case. So, it's combination of those things that we hear a lot from families. Yeah, you can't move fast enough, right? You can't move fast

24:06enough when you're looking for a missing person. And that's what I always think about is that no one can ever touch your sense of urgency of what's going on. That's right, that's right. I mean, we saw it with Gatti Petita. We are seeing it still with Nancy Gatri, unbelievable amount of coverage, unbelievable about immediate attention for certain cases, for some cases, not for all cases. We don't see that for all. What are the challenges for families to get in front of the media? Like, how hard is it for families, like yourself, to get in front of the media? Yeah, it's really hard. I remember when Dan went missing, it took two weeks for him to see get local channels that even take the take as a story. I spoke to law enforcement book, I pull this part of this head. It's your responsibility to do that. So, I found a way to reach out to the news organizations, the radio stations. No one did want, no one wanted to take the story, but I can't tell you that it's two reporters, Josh Sanders and Nicole Griggs, is their names.

25:11Some reason they ran it to them, coming out of my hotel pretty much, and they reached out to me and say, hey, you know what? We would like to hear about your son's story, and that gave a break for Dan's case. It gave a break for his story because it's very important to get that story out really quickly. That's the same thing I'm hearing a lot of families. Of course, with families, no one prepares for what to do when you just have a missing loved one. So, you don't know who to call and how to call people, who to talk to, and those type of things. So, that slows it down as well, trying to get your loved one's story out there. Some people don't know to turn to social media. For instance, I was able to do is open up a page to humanize your loved one. I know with a person's of color, like my son and myself, it was important, for instance, to humanize Daniel, to show who he is. He's a brilliant scientist, for instance. He has a family. He has siblings.

26:12So, open up those pages and things are very important. But like I said, talking to families is one of the things that urgency. I can't give you a little bit more. Mr. Batito, Joseph Batito, friend of mine, very good friend of mine. He and I was having a conversation in another young lady who had a sister with us on a Zoom together, discussing some things. We're talking about our loved ones' cases, for instance, and the difference. She and I was talking about the difficulties of getting law enforcement to move, the difficulties of getting loved ones' story on local news and things like that. Then Mr. Batito said, all I had to do was make a phone call. So, that still rings in my head to this day. All I had to do was make a phone call and the story went national. That's the thing that we kind of look at as a family that I talked to is, we'll see cases like the gochery case. So, we'll see the Batito case. We'll see some of these other cases where those stories just hit go really fast. And we have loved ones who's crying out, hey, here I am right here,

27:18you know, my loved one is missing. And so, it's very difficult. It's very difficult. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that as just as a member of the media that we can't, we can't have more balance in the coverage. You know, I know I understand like Savannah's a celebrity, Savannah got three. I know, I know she's just given money $500,000 to Nick Mac because she also recognizes that it's not just her missing mom, it's, you know, we have hundreds of thousands of missing people. God, that breaks my heart. There is a disparity. And I think that that community needs to face up to it. What can we do in the community, not just the media, but in the community to fight that? That's right. Just call it out. Just call it out and speak about it. You know, one thing that encourages me though is people like yourself have a lot of podcasters and also have a lot of true crime community. They help families who have missing

28:19loved ones because it wasn't for communities like that. A lot of stories wouldn't be told. Of course, we ought to know media can only do with so much as well because they are 600,000 Americans that go missing area 3000 day over 2000 children a day. And, you know, to cover all those at simultaneously will be kind of hard. But, you know, but like I said, the disparities and the way things are handled is the problem. It's a big problem. I can use a prime example. You can speak another go through case. I really first like to say, you know, I preach out and try to give anything I can as a father who did not enter desert who's been searching like you were sent earlier. What can I do to help them find, locate their mother, which we all want to see her come back home we really need to. One of the things that bother me as a father though is that Daniel is still missing as well. And, you know, some of the scenarios that we saw in the go through case, for instance, is happening to Daniel case. He had a ransom. I had a ransom that they wanted thousands of

29:22dollars from me for Daniel. For the change of Daniel, I had to go through that. That was death threats on me just because I was searching for my son. They had Daniel under tied up with broken lids or what they told me. And, you know, they're coming through my emails. And until this day, I still don't have the FBI to even want to take that that part of the case and find out who these people is or are trying to harm me or who possibly could have had Daniel. So I see that in the initial part of Daniel's case where there's no movement with law enforcement. There's no movement with FBI. I then to the field offers a thing the same one that's working the go through case. And instead of getting an environment or hospitality, when I received that, they put me in the, they wouldn't have let me in the bill and they put me in the security room and with too long darkness. I thought I was going to get shot that day just coming in and asking questions to how they can help their FBI. So those type things. So it's the disparities when it comes to, like you say, who it is, where they're from, their name, their title, or things like that,

30:26matters when you get full participation. I haven't seen a sheriff of that county, Pina County, crying in this case. Chief Hall of Maricopa County, Buckeye Police Department, Stoneface, for instance, the out there finding remains for other families members, other seven other families out there. And not one time it has a city manager or the mayor, come and say, thank you, Mr. Robinson, for coming to our state and our city and help us locate missing loved ones that who's been missing from obviously for years. So it's those kind of things when I look at the totality of things that is a really, really, really hurtful, especially when I'm still searching for Daniel. But at the same time, I try to help with such a big or hard to, because that's a type of family yard to help as many people as we can along that hard journey to carry with us. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody could ever overestimate like the relentlessness of a parent. Your relentlessness with this case has been extraordinary. I mean,

31:32to hear that you've spent 50 weeks searching in those deserts in Arizona is really remarkable. And I hope that we can do more to help you. You know, I think about your son and I think that, you know, Daniel would be 29 now, 20, 28, 29. Yes, he will be going on 29. Yes, yes, that time we're going back fast. Yes, we just had a birthday on the 14th of January. So, you know, every year his birthday has come up and, you know, the Christmas and he had the Thanksgiving is always around that time of the year is even a lot worse because, you know, they kind of all ball up together new year. And, you know, families, we get together. The family dynamic has changed. So, of course, you know, those are constant reminders that he's still missing. For some, I can say may feel that he's almost five years, you should be aware about now. I talked to families all the time, they just like, I am like the ones that was in the desert with him.

32:34They're talking about their missing loved one who've been missing probably for 20, some 20 years, some 15 years, but they'll talk about that person as if it happened yesterday. Or it happened today. And that's the same feeling that you get because, you know, you don't have any answers, you know, you always in limbo. You just don't have those answers, you know, your loved ones alive or they're not, you always have hope and then sometimes you feel despair. So, you always, all over the place, we have missing loved ones. So, there's one of the things that just don't go away to get those answers. What do you think he would be saying to you right now? What would he be saying to die right now about what you've done? Well, I hope that he can know that I kept my promise, you know, you know, I told him, I'm not directly in those ways, but, you know, I'm going to be there as a father. I'm always going to be there for all my children. I'm going to be there for them. Be the father that they they should have. You know, I'm be the father that I didn't have, you know, grown up. So, you know, he could see that part and really, I really believe he appreciate that, that, you know,

33:37hey, my dad, you haven't got given up on me. He's still out there searching for me. And, you know, that can show my love to him. That's all I really need him and know that part. I'm not going to wear. And you think you're going to find him? I have to keep that faith. I'm a man of faith. You know, my mind is always there that, hey, my son is alive. I'm going to find him. It's just a matter of time. Today is a day closer to me, find a day. I'll say that to myself, and I really believe I am, but I'm not giving that that idea up. Well, I believe you will too. And we'll certainly include for our viewers and our listeners out there. His story is alive and well with you. Whatever we can do to spread the word, just one more person heard it today. It's just one more person heard it. There's one more big chance out there that that something might click. And, and we can go ahead and bring you home. So thank you so much for for talking to us today. Your

34:38story is inspiring. And you are running for Congress in my home, state of South Carolina. That's right. You ready? You ready to take it on? You're going to take us in here. Yes, I ran 22. But it's rough. Yeah, it is. It's hard. Yeah, it takes a lot of time. The reason I'm doing true crime and not politics. I've been doing politics for years too. Yeah, you got to, that's a whole different mystery, right? Yes, it is. I didn't know it was going to be that rough and, you know, and things that you understand the stuff. But yes, a lot different than what I'm doing. First search of a day, for sure. I can tell you that for it. Well, hopefully this, you'll be able to bring change. We're changing. Yes, let's go. So drop a comment below. Tell me what missing persons cases you'd like to see us cover. And do you think that there is a problem with disparity between these missing persons cases? I want to hear your thoughts. Be sure to like and subscribe to crimly obsessed. And if you're listening to this on podcasts,

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