
About this episode
Is Trump Barabbas? In this episode, Craig sits down with Paul Lazzaroni (Crossing Cornerstone / No King but Christ Network) to talk about the Barabbas mindset, our craving for a strongman savior, political control, and “winning,” even when it contradicts Jesus’ way.
We explore modern Babylon, the wilderness formation of God’s people, and why “Jesus is Lord” can’t be a slogan that still needs Caesar’s power to do the work.
Topics covered
- Barabbas vs. Jesus: what kind of “savior” we want
- Christian nationalism and the temptation of state power
- Strongman politics and fear-based faith“Modern Babylon” as a pattern (empire thinking)
- Exodus / wilderness formation and slavery mindsetReading the Bible without using it to justify domination
- “No King but Christ” as lived discipleship
🤝 Connect with Paul Lazzaroni 🤝
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Cross and Cornerstone (Website / Blog + Articles)
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C&C Facebook Page
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No King but Christ Network (Paul’s work is featured there): nokingbutchristnetwork.com
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Paul’s Personal Pages
Try This Week: Notice where you assume force is necessary. Pause before reaching for control. Choose persuasion, presence, and honesty in one real situation, and see what it reveals about what you trust.
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Key Moments & Starting Points:
(0:00) Jesus or Caesar?
(0:45) Meet Paul Lazzaroni
(1:27) “Is Trump Barabbas?”
(2:20) The Barabbas Mindset
(8:36) Why Paul Doesn’t Vote
(17:57) Wilderness First
(47:30) Modern Babylon
(47:57) Mindsets and Mimic Kingdoms
(53:33) What Is Cross and Cornerstone?
(55:32) Why “Cornerstone”?
(57:16) Writing, Learning, Humility
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