Is Pablo Torre More Credible Than ESPN? | Hour 2

0:00You are listening to the Dunlapitar Show in partnership with the Draft King Sports Act. Now live in all 50 estates. This episode of the Dunlapitar Show is presented by Draft King Sports. Draft Kings. The crown is yours. You guys were still talking in the break about what's appropriate, what's not appropriate. Roy is relieved and everyone is saying they thought they were supposed to bring food. You are. You are too shiver and you're supposed to, but you're supposed to bring the correct food. You're supposed to bring something to bring food. Okay, when you say you need, you're right. It's not mandatory. You can still go to the shiver without food. Yes. It's totally expected to not bring food. I will say every single person outside his ass that spoke about shiver before I went was like, you gotta bring something. You absolutely are supposed, it is the right thing to do is to bring something because part of the idea of the shiver is you don't want the family to have to do anything during the shiver, which lasts a week. You want them to be taken care of.

1:01And so part of it is not having them cook meals or anything. You don't want the family while it's sleeping in morning to have to answer the door because you're four hours early. Generally not. And the meal actually happens before. So there's a couple of rules of shiver when it's someone who dies, who passes, who's old, like in their 80s or 90s and it's the natural order, then shivers or more. There's more food involved. And when it's a tragic loss of someone in their 20s, there's actually no food involved in shiver. I've never heard that. The mourners, the family eats before shiver even starts and there's no food because it's supposed to be more sombre. Okay, but a shiver lasts a week. It's like you do need to eat throughout a week. But you eat before the shiver. So the shiver is not a celebration when someone dies and they're 20s versus their 80s. That's interesting. I didn't know those were just scripted to see that. Well it does seem like though there are occasions where people come to use as low four Jewish advice and you lead them astray. That seems to be something that shivers all day. It seems like there are some people around here who come for your Jewish advice and you

2:04fail them. No, I disagree with the failing. I mean, if I remember correctly, it wasn't like seeking advice. It was like, I'm going to stand up at the head of a table, guys. I know how shiver works. That's true. Let me give like a little like minute shield. Well, the leader, I don't need to wait for people. Like I don't want people to screw up. I'm a leader. Are you leading in the wrong direction? I disagree. David doesn't make the rules of Judaism. Like I don't, I don't, I don't write about everything. The way 20% works, it's an estimation based on tests that are done, much like heart blockage. It's estimations always. How the hell would a doctor be able to measure your taste better than you can measure your taste? Testing. Testing. More importantly, how do you respond to the accusation from Dan's taste friends that you are doing this for attention? Seriously? It's been said. It's been said. By who? It takes time. I can't reveal my sources. Oh, it takes time. I can't reveal my sources. I get plenty of attention. I don't need to get more attention from this period.

3:06I don't have candy in my bag for attention. I have it because I like candy. I know, but if you can't taste it. I like the texture. I like how it feels. Have you noticed I don't need sushi? Have you noticed that? That I don't like eating sushi anymore and I used to love it? Texture. Have you noticed that? I had noticed that. No, of course not because you're using something else. I had no idea. I had no idea. I should have brought it up. I should have brought a sushi. There are significant changes that have happened. Should have brought a boat whether you want to believe that or not is not relevant. You think you should have brought a sushi to Shiva? I wanted to change it up, dude. How many black and white cookies can we have? It's a chewy broth. To be fair, Jeremy's black and white cookies were completely eaten and your fried pork was completely unbalanced. All right. I'm going to take the L on that. It is rather a fencing. Showing up early. Showing up early? I feel like I should. That's a pat on the back. Oh, not for a while. A love and beyond. You walk him up. Who went to Shiva twice? I did. This guy did. No, you woke up a bunch of mourners. I want to talk about some of the things happening in baseball because I just love the controversy

4:07in that Cardinals Rockies game. The only reason at this point in the season to watch it Cardinals Rockies game is for the fun protest that the Cardinals did because some look at me. I'm tired. Doug Edding said it was my field. You don't wear your hat that way on my field. Hansel Rinkong. You do not. And then he says this part was my favorite part of the story. Well, the catcher, you know, the catcher requested this and then Hunter Goodman says after the game, I did no such thing. I didn't request anything. I didn't request anything. That ump is making that up. Who did that remind you of the tilted hat? Who's the first player you thought of? Don Trondo Rodney. Don Trondo Willis. I'm with Tony. That's generational. See, he sees the bath. That's generational. Yes, CC and Rodney are both after Don Trondo, but I just love the protest from it was both. That's fine. That's a $5 fine. I'm sorry, Samson, to do that to you, but that telephone is. Do you know what that is though? I'll pay the $5, but you know, I don't do this. I'm going to pay for it. I'm just going to pay.

5:07There's no way to mute it. Is the answer. There's no way to mute it. Okay. But we're good. Five dollars. We're good. And the unmutable sound before we get to that Cardinals Rockies story, though. I wanted to ask you guys, if you had any more thoughts in the last four days since what I believe to be one of the biggest sports scandals of all time that I think would have been a lot larger. And I was talking with David Samson about this on his own show today, Nothing Personal. I believe that a publicatory still worked at ESPN or at any of the major mainstream media outlets and have been doing the exact same job that he did for us. But nobody would have been surprised by the size of that punishment. If you listen to those 14 episodes, the information was so damning that it would have been obvious to all that this is one of the most egregious examples of obvious cheating that has ever been uncovered in sports. And so I'm just wondering over the last four or five days, as you've consumed some of

6:08the reaction to it, which had weighed too much of the media's as admitting out loud, yet didn't listen to the episode, still haven't listened to the episodes. So everyone got caught with their pants down on a story where one person had the facts and everyone else was ignorant. I think it led to a year of this story being covered improperly in the media and then everyone being stunned by a result when they were talking about things that discredited Pablo that called him a snitch when all he was doing was reporting most obviously fact after fact after fact after fact that seemed to be indisputable. I was actually listening to a mean a little bit on MBA radio yesterday and I have not read the 36 pages that walked all up and released and a mean was saying that even even Pablo's reporting wasn't even as bad as the 36 pages show everything. Right. Of course, no, I understand. It's so much worse than even the bad stuff that Pablo reported.

7:12We can make a reasonable argument, okay, that that punishment was not stiff enough. Like you really could. If you were listening to all those episodes, I'm framing this for you correctly when I say one of the biggest scandals in sports history was owned for a year by a single reporter and his team. And there are a number of things I want to talk about here, but David, you've been a great expert and a Pulitzer Prize winner on this subject. In the last few days, what are the things that have emerged that people aren't talking enough about when it comes to this case? Because I'm real curious what Balmer does next. Does he just slink away quiet? Lear? Does he start suing everybody and leave himself open to a real mess on his hands if he's just a petulant child about ego and doesn't let this go? It's gotten super quiet. And what we've been waiting for, we thought that the clippers would be ready with what their move was because they claimed to have only seen the report an hour before. I don't know if that's something that no one's focused on and I pointed out to Pablo that

8:13that's not accurate. And so I have sources they knew exactly what the punishment was that led to the ESPN article of weeks ago. They may not have physically seen the report until the hour before, but they knew what was in the report. And so they continue to parse words, Balmer and the clippers and they get caught every time and they never succeed. So I believe it's gonna get us enough. It's enough. I think Balmer realizes that there is no upside to continuing to fight. Let me let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Or in terms of watching this team play. Did Kauai at the very end do Balmer do dirty by just accepting all of the terms here and doesn't allow Balmer to have an ally with him fighting with this with the players union because you can continue to be side by side with Kauai. Does the punctuation on all of this not just include you lost, shake, Gil just Alexander 10 first round picks and 30 million dollars and can't be in your arena for a year, but

9:13also includes and at the very end you could not count on his loyalty for anything. He got out clean on this and left you because the NBA made a deal with Kauai Leonard. Now Steve Balmer has no avenue to have any ally next to him as he tries to fight this in public. Well, what it means is that he can't go to arbitration. That's only available through the players union, but when you say that Kauai comes out clean, he actually Uncle Dennis got suspended. He's done. Kauai Leonard switched agents. He's now represented by someone new. He lost 700 grand, which you can say is nothing, but I don't view Kauai as clean. I view him as having acknowledged what the facts stated. He knows exactly what Uncle Dennis asked for. Players representatives don't ask for things on behalf of a player that the player doesn't know about. I've never seen that in the history of my negotiations with players. What Balmer lost was not Kauai. What he lost was any move because of the Wachtell report. I think, I mean, it's fascinating to me, the ESPN report that came out in the middle

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13:23So let me go through this for a second because I've got a report here in front of me from status news. Status has learned with questions swirling in Bristol about its editorial priorities inside ESPN. Some staffers are frustrated by the incident calling it a disaster with one. Status that it comes at the end of a summer defined by an unusual amount of drama, including layoffs and editorial restructuring. It has also ignited tensions between ESPN and its one time employee, Pablo Torrey, who is reporting ultimately led to the verdict and want to pull its surprise to boot. Why did his old network publish a story that undercut his reporting sourced from the team he'd spent nearly a year investigating without asking him about it? They did ask him for comment. He did comment. They did not publish his comment. I'm going to read parts of that story for you now. But before I do that, I simply want to ask you guys if you think you have a good theory for why it is it happened that so many people were calling Pablo a snitch rooting for him

14:27to fail, wanting him to be wrong. Pablo turns out in this story to be the underdog Don Quixote tilting at the machine and he should be as lovable as a Harvard grad can ever be in terms of being the underdog. But what's happening here that before all of this, it seemed like everyone was questioning Pablo Torrey and doing it without listening to the episodes. What's it play there that Pablo is now being applauded but for a year he was under it with a whole bunch of people trying to discredit him when what he was reporting. I would think most people would want the billionaire doing the wrong thing to be caught that Balmer wouldn't be the lovable one in this equation if it's the little guy against the big guy. I think it's because he was considered, maybe still is considered, but was considered. I don't know if I want to phrase it as that he's just a little podcast, but it's that, oh, you're not like with some big network or big company, you're trying to get clicks,

15:33you're trying to make a name for yourself. That's all that's happening here. No one would be pointing the finger at him if he was still working for ESPN with this story. Definitely not. It's the fact that, oh, you're the only one who has a story and you have your little podcast. I think that's what it's about. I do not. I don't think it's a metal or media issue. I don't think it's a podcast issue. I actually think it's slightly different. I think that the concern is when you've got no one willing to back up the story, no one would come with Pablo Amin or me with this. No one in the league, no other lawyers, not even Wachtell. And we sat with Wachtell. They interviewed Pablo and me and it was unclear to us when all was said and done how seriously they were taking this investigation. And what happened was the evidence became overwhelming because Pablo, we had so much damage and we didn't give it all at once. It came out episode by episode by episode to the point where the league was saying is there more Wachtell put it in the report.

16:35I don't know if you want you didn't read it. So I'll tell you what it says. There's people still investigating so there could be more here. That's not what they did with the Rosé report with the heat. They closed it. They ended it and they got embarrassed. It's different now. Good also be that for the past 10 years of labeling everything as fake news that people were taking what would be the truth with a green assault. I was legitimately confused as I listened to the episodes between both the difference between what was being reported and how people were reacting to it and specifically how the news media was reacting to it while not doing the basic effort of actually listening to what it is that he was doing. And I'm telling you David, do you agree or not agree with my statement that if Pablo Tori worked for a mainstream media outlet and did everything exactly the same, not only with the punishment, not have been any kind of surprise to people, the American public would have been informed in a way that was far more proper than the way this sport, this thing was covered for the last year by everyone else who was simply aggregating or trying

17:39to discredit Pablo. Even ESPN, always when they, when they use Pablo Tori in print, they call him former ESPN employee to make sure they get the credit for the work he's no longer doing for them. I thought he still went on PTI. But that's an outside PTI. Former like that. Yeah, he's, they call him a podcast all the time. That's all about it. Let me, let me read, what are your thoughts there though? I just simply, I make all of the reporting the same, but I have Pablo still working at ESPN while he does it. I think that ESPN used to provide a platform that was looked at differently, but you have pointed out on this show so many times that everyone in media has become lazy, they become talking heads, they're not journalists. Pablo is a journalist and there just doesn't happen anymore that pin being on ESPN versus mental lock media. It's the same for me. He has for you, for you. I don't think it's the same for everyone. People, no one came out to me during the past year and said, hey, because it's, he's a podcast in mental lock media, I don't believe him. If he were, if he were saying this on sports center, I believe him.

18:40I didn't get anyone saying that. Really, you think if he was doing all this reporting for obviously doesn't exist anymore outside the lines, you think people would still be pointing and saying, Pablo, you're a snitch, Pablo, you're making this up, you're doing it just for clicks. Yeah, I think it's exactly the same because of the nature of today's media. No one is interested in actual journalism anymore. I think it's a couple of things with Pablo. One ESPN would have aided in digesting, being able to digest it and give it to people in a way that they can read on the headline on first take and be like, oh, I get it. We've got 14 one hour episodes. It's drinking from a fire hose for somebody who's maybe kind of on the peripheral of, oh, I'm interested in the NBA, but like, I don't really have 14 hours to listen to this story. And I think that's the issue where Pablo, you look at it in just a mountain of evidence, but it's like, I don't even know where to start. I'm climbing Mount Everest. And I'm like, yeah, I got episode one, but I got to listen to 14 of these. Like, oh, my God. Yeah, but colonimus snitch is kind of infuriating. Isn't that what investigative journalism is all about? Sure. I'm just, but I think it's also a prison of Pablo's own design and I very much like Pablo,

19:42very much like him. But when he started with Jordan Hudson situation, it felt like that was like the machine was already turning against Pablo from a Twitter perspective of like, all right, we're going to do this again. We're going to continue this. And now with the Kauai stuff, it was like, are we going down the same path of, I got you. No, I don't got you. Like, restraining order Jordan Hudson was that the same thing and ended up not obviously want to pull it to prize. But still like, that's where the genesis of it was. For context, Roy, the people calling him a snitch was mostly former NBA players who don't understand at all what this story was about. No, no, no, it was tyloss and others. But hold on, hold on a second. When David says nobody cares about journalism, that's not true at all. Given the numbers I've seen Pablo actually do, those people do care about journalism and what's happened here. And this has been a stunner, like a legitimate stunner to have Pablo do this this quickly. He's more credible than ESPN is right now. It's by person. Don't compare Pablo to a network.

20:44There could be people on ESPN who are credible. Pablo, we didn't go to air. Do you understand what work went in? Of course you do. I'm talking about everybody here before September 3rd of 2025, the amount of work that was done before episode one of aspiration, tremendous legal work, tremendous work with you, making sure you were very aware of what was about. This is the most under reported part of all of this is that nobody has any earthly idea how hard this was for him and his team to do. And he's earned what I'm saying, which I don't think is unfair. You pair that ESPN story on August 17th with Pablo's reporting and you have Pablo being more credible than the entity that has always been or not always, but the last 40 years has been the most credible thing that we have had in sports journalism and the only one from among outside of HBO real sports. I'm going to keep reminding you guys, the streamers don't have any interest in this stuff. Like all of this stuff, Amazon's not going to do journalism, Netflix isn't going to do journalism.

21:44The new players in this game are not going to cover sports this way and neither is ESPN. Like they're moving away because the money's not in the journalism, but I want to be free. It can't be Dan. Don't let them say that guys. What he's saying is an insult to all of us. Yes, Pablo is different. You need Pablo. You need people like Pablo. You, you, me, all of us. We have the ability to make our work smarter and better and it will get attention when it's good and entertaining and right. When you have a show that can be Jordan Hudson and then a show that can win a Pulitzer, that range is how you get audience. It's how you get entertained and it's how you can both be serious and be silly. He's done the hardest thing the hardest way, but I want to read from this story on like now that you know what the law firm has investigated and reported and now that you know what the punishment is. This story from ESPN August 17th, I'm just going to read directly from it and I want

22:45your guys' opinion on what this says to you now that three weeks later you have more facts. The report from ESPN that status news is saying people at ESPN are embarrassed by what happened here in Ramona, Shelburne, Don Van Nade, Jr. and Baxter homes. This is the best of their investigative stuff. Like, in terms of journalists remaining in the building, these are the credentialed reporters with the resumes. They put their best people on this and this is what their story said, notarized with ESPN's blessing. The NBA has found no evidence showing LA Clippers owner Steve Balmer funneled money through team sponsors to pay Kauai Leonard in order to circumvent the salary cap according to three people with knowledge of discussions between the two sides in recent days. Three people from one side of the discussions is all I can imagine. Instead the NBA is focused on whether the team's introduction of Leonard to team sponsors constitutes a violation of the league's rules prohibiting salary cap circumvention. Two of the sources said the league is examining whether the Clippers are guilty of failure to supervise employees though it's unclear what specific rule the team would have violated

23:48or what the penalties would be two of the sources said. The 11 month investigation into salary cap circumventure and allegations expanded beyond Leonard's deal with aspiration. The now defunct green banking company at the center of the allegations to at least three other companies that also had deals with the Clippers. Two of the sources familiar with the talks told ESPN. However sources said the league has presented no evidence that Balmer funneled money to Leonard. So so what Balmer did here your studio is falling apart. What Balmer did here is he parsed for why is it only happening to you? Why is the studio not falling apart to anybody else? Why is it only your stuff that's breaking and making noises? You'll have to ask someone else that. The ESPN issue that they had is that Steve Balmer needed to get a story out but the Clippers screwed ESPN after ESPN tried to help them. They basically fed a story to ESPN and the ESPN went with which is a mystery. But then the Clippers claimed after the hearing and the penalties. Hey, we had no idea what was going on. We found out an hour ago. It's an outrage. Well interestingly enough ESPN had exactly in there what was going on inside the report.

24:53How is that possible if the Clippers had never seen the report before? So the Clippers are trying to have it both ways. And the reality is we had them cornered which is not to say we wanted to have Balmer punish more or less. That's the biggest mistake that people make to this day. Did you want Balmer to have to sell? We had no interest in what the result was. We just wanted the facts out there. And that got misunderstood by so many people who called Pablo going after Balmer. That's not what we were trying to do actually. Balmer did it all to himself. So I have no guilt over it and we were right on everything. What were your thoughts as on what I just read? I also saw clips online over the weekend. I think maybe it was from the hoop collective which is Brian Wintour's and Tim McMan, Zach Lowe. I think also said some stuff where to that effect they were lied to over and over repeatedly by Clippers employees. To their face, lied to and lied to and lied to. And I find it interesting that you have reporters who are specifically calling team officials liars. Like I, I don't think I've ever heard that before.

25:56You have to go back Tony and look at what happened the day after Pablo's episode dropped when Balmer gave the interview to Shubborn. Shubborn thought it was huge. I don't know if you remember this that she got Balmer to talk and the view of that interview was Pablo and Metal Arc and PTFO. They're absolutely wrong. They're liars. And Ramona got that story and that interview proved to be Balmer's downfall. It was cited in the report for things that Balmer said that he just lied to her and used her. And I felt badly for Ramona actually. Dave, I have a question. So you said the tremendous work went on the front end of that episode September 3rd, 2025. Like how much work, how long are we talking? You guys had the tip? You guys started working on stuff. How long was that pre-empt? Close to a year. Are you talking about 24? I'm talking about when you first look at something. So I don't want to, I don't want to, I guess I can. Yeah, I knew things because I've been speaking with Pablo for months and months and months prior. He unveiled things to me during that September 3rd episode that I had not seen.

27:00But a little behind the curtain is that the work that you're going to do when you're doing something silly, you can just open a folder and it's good podcast, good TV. So when there's lawyers involved, when there's money, lawsuits, when we've got Dan's, basically, he's funding this and we can't put him at risk. So it's not going to be a surprise. Not put me at risk, put all of us at risk. All of us, frankly, it's the whole company. So a year ahead of time, you were like, oh, wait a second, we got to start. I got involved six months prior and it's a huge process and even the taping which happened on August 20th for that September 3rd. I don't know if Pablo has ever told anyone that's when we taped the September 3rd episode was August 20th. There were lawyers at the taping and there were moments when the lawyers would stop the taping because we couldn't do something that would put all of us at risk. So it's not just in the investigation of it, Dan. It's in the recording of the episodes where you have to be clear in a way that we get on here and riff for four hours and joke around.

28:03That is not exactly what happens when you're doing investigative journalism. When do you think we'll hear from Steve Bonner? I think he can't say anything more. Why not? Because he's involved in a major, this is not being discussed and he's involved in a major civil lawsuit from shareholders of aspiration who lost all their money. Major, like serious implications, there could still be criminal implications here. He is shutting up as of now. Guy Gordon? No, forgive me Tony, here for interrupting you. Would you like to know what it is that Chris whispered to me during this conversation? No. Because if it's not on the show, it's not on the show. He whispered to me. I'm listening, Dan. I'm trying to fix your freaking studio. Look at this. Seriously, just bend down. Can you? I saw you stretch this morning. I know you can do it. Look at what we're dealing with here. What does that mean? Solm stretches more. Solm stretching is very flexible. Plyable? Do you guys have a good morning stretch?

29:08It's the cough button. It's hanging. Good no, take your five bucks. So fall in Miami doesn't necessarily mean sweater weather, the way that it does around the rest of the country where you might be listening from, but it does for me, meaning even busier schedule somehow. And I need dependable clothes that I can throw on without really thinking about it. Like just constant things that I can wear on a daily basis and feel comfortable and feel confident. And that's why Quince has become such an easy part of my wardrobe. They're fitted tees and they're polos. They feel premium. They fit the way I want and they work whether I'm headed over to the studio or if I'm going out afterwards or going to the Marlins game or he game, it doesn't really matter. I'm going to be wearing Quince because Quince also has breathable active wear and 100% Mongolian casual wear sweaters that started just 60 bucks. I also just recently grabbed a new corduroy jacket that I think is going to be a fall staple for me that you'll see on the show. Everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they work directly with

30:10ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. I use Quince and you should too. Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash Dan. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too. That's quionce.com slash Dan. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks. I know it well. Usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it but it's because Tony usually walks in with Quarevo. I'm blocking my piss. Yeah, Quarevo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. Has that effect on people? It does. I usually take the credit for it but again, it's the Quarevo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quarevo. Keep it quarevo baby. Down levitar. I hate that Caroline is going to get this moment just because they waited us out.

31:13Jenna, dan sassilo. But I love that Buffalo is going to replace the panties in this situation because those fans absolutely deserve it not going to the plows. We deserve it. We deserve it. I don't care. We want twice a week. I deserve a third one before they deserve anything. I just heard a phone call and a hockey. I live in a swamp. Give me three and a row. Buffalo deserves it. Shit Buffalo. What do you care about Buffalo? This is the down levitar show. Chris Cody whispered to me while you were yammering. Rocky's card. He looked like that's where he started this. And so when we ended up in Pablo. It became a race thing. What? It became a race thing. That's really why Doug is. Mark, it said go. Of course. That's why he had to apologize. That's why I had to apologize. Yeah, of course. You just framed the black guy. He's Hispanic. Was it as not on my ball field as it looked?

32:13I didn't see it. Was he just out there? Like, you're not going to do this on my field. I mean, he said that. No, he said he said he said not on my field. He's not aware of his hat on my field. I was like the optics of this. That's what it seems like. He's saying it can't be. And it just was. You said he blamed the catcher. What he said is this is interesting. OK, the story is that you have Doug Eddings. And this is a plague in baseball, OK? It's just a plague. You have these old-fashioned sensibilities that are always trying to take some of the flavor out of what happens to be disproportionately the personalities of the ethnic guys. So the reason that spring training looks so much different than the World Baseball Classic is because the World Baseball Classic, the Latin players, and the foreigners are allowed to enjoy the sport. And then they go back to spring training. And everyone's got to work under the rules of Brian McCann. So there are occasional umpires out there who don't like

33:14that you're not respecting the game by wearing the baseball cap properly. And so it's not just racial stuff. It's also generational stuff. It's power dynamic stuff. And in this case, you've got Finkong, who is wearing it slightly sideways. I'm laughing with you, you said his name. No one says his name. Finkong. OK. I just heard a game yesterday. They called him Ali Man, a guy from Cuba. I heard the broadcast yesterday calling a picture Ali Man. And it's Aleman. And like this, and you coming back from El Camino and calling it the Camino is what happens. And it's what makes the Los Angeles Angels, the Los Angeles Angels redundant because you've already said the angels are the angels when you make them from Los Angeles instead of Los Angeles. So Dan, the broadcaster said Ali Man, and obviously, it's Aleman, which actually means German in Spanish. I don't know if you guys knew that. Aleman means German.

34:15Let's put you in another room to be more Hispanic and give us a Hispanic product of the day. I want to start a new segment with you where we do Hispanic product of the day and see if we get my father involved here. But so Doug Adams is claiming. He claimed what afterward, because everybody was like, what the hell are you doing? Why are you telling a grown man how to wear his clothes and saying, because this is my field? You're allowed to though. Well, but the issue is. No, you're allowed to, but you're also what he is saying is that the Rockies complain because of the pitching advantage of whatever his sightlines are. And he's saying that Hunter Goodman, the Rockies Catcher, complained about how he was wearing his clothes. And Goodman's like, I didn't say that. What is he talking about? I love the umpire just after the game. He's like, catch your toe, me to do it. You got to call immediately. He got in trouble immediately because he just, he went too far. But the issue is that their umpire is doing that all the time on the field.

35:16Their referees doing that in basketball. You got to tuck your shirt in. You can't play. But that is a rule. But there's a rule in baseball with uniforms and how many buttons and how to have one. So the hat can be, it has to be bill forward. So there was the issue with the way you wear it is how Ken Griffey would wear it to BP. Yeah. And it would drive the Mariners absolutely crazy because it was so disrespectful to wear the hat backwards. Let's not forget that there was a pitch clock violation. Yeah. That eddings do out there. And that's why Momol came out there and started arguing with him. Well, and he got ejected. As someone with an old white dad, I can just imagine what I thought of is this guy who has a dug-edding? His son just being somewhere like, Dad, no! But this got worse for him, right? When the next day, was it all the players on both teams or was it just the cardinals? OK, because we just keep showing the pictures of the cardinals here wearing their capside ways. But that's got a dug-eddings wants to hide in a hole, right? When they take him out from being the home plate umpire and they put him a third base or first base

36:16or wherever it is that he was the next day. And he sees all of the players mocking him. It's like being John Malkovich, right? Like where you've got everybody out there is just taught everyone on the field is taunting you. How does it go if he leans in and he does the next day umpiring with his hat tilted? Is it worse than what Jim Joyce had it go through? That's what I was thinking. Not as worse. And there was race involved. Not as bad. We're here. There was race involved. There was immediate public view. For those who don't know, James Joyce wept at his mistake because Galeraga had a perfect game and on the last play of what would have been a perfect game before instant replay, he got the call wrong on first base what was an obvious out became safe and he basically ruined forever Galeraga's ability to have a perfect game and there've only been whatever those are. 25 ever of those. There's Jim Joyce, not James. I know it's the same thing. No one calls him James. James Joyce, is that the author? Is that why I said that? That's why Chris made the mistake. I'm lashing out at you. It's okay.

37:16Thank you Chris. Let me tell you what happened with that incident why it matters today because in collective bargaining, one of the things that players do is they actually negotiate things like uniform. They negotiate things like penalties and what I love is that the players are gonna focus on stuff like this when they're in a real negotiation over money and the owners are looking at this at thing and they're loving it. It's just a distraction. It's something they can give them now. Hey guys, you guys can wear your hat however you want. What a win for us. That's funny. That's the other way to look at what happened this weekend. It's a funny controversy. I like having, I don't know if you guys saw Ronald Acunia. I really love him so much as a player and the fact that he hits a home run against Philadelphia at Philadelphia. They booed him and they don't boo nobody's and he came out and gave them a sarcastic curtain call. He gave, he gave, like, what a bleep, beautiful he's fans. He hits a home run to tie the game, right?

38:17Makes it four. It goes from four one to four four and then they win it and they're better than the Phillies. And in Philadelphia, they, I mean, the stuff happening in baseball, I like, I like when the starched stuff gets mocked and all of a sudden you got real personality making an appearance, but Tony has made his way to the other room. Do we have, does this have any imaging? I know that we just sort of, oh really. Oh, look at this, okay. Wait a minute, are you at New York? What, how the where are you? We're here. Look at this, a speciale for all the people. Mira, roba para los hombres. Tenemos de todos los zapatos aquí, but I want to bring you down. This is the Hispanic part of the day. Co-signed by whomever you want because what I'm about to pull out of my pocket here at Nioca Barato. Hold on, before you do this, David, do you as the guy who cannot pronounce what is the famous Cuban shirt that people wear? How do you pronounce that? Guy Vera.

39:18Why have era? What about the bread and ham? Do you know what is the other? An espanola. No, no, Espinata. What I brought to Shiva. A croqueta. Do you know what? Adam and Idiot. Nioca Barato means? No. Okay, it's basically holy shit, how cheap. Go ahead, Tony. All right, Dan, here's the his Tony's Hispanic product of the day. I've got it in my back pocket. This is something that I actually brought from home because I owned this product so I'm going to bring it into the studio next hour so you guys can see it and hold it for your own. But today's Hispanic product of the day is awa de violeta. Oh, yes, famously, yes. That's what I'm talking about. That's nice. The one and only agotim re and his family and his company. This is the official scent of Hispanic and Cuban babies everywhere is this gold bottle. You can also get it in purple, about $4.99 a pop, very cheap, very economical as we'd like to say. But that baby shampoo, this is not shampoo.

40:20You have not been listening. This is colon, it's called colonia for baby. So you give them a shower, you give them a bath and then you rub this in their hair and all over their body. This is moving what my daughter's feeling like right now. No, he's been terrible today. I'm so off the hook with the tire talk. This has been an all time, ever-clybed performance from the show. I have so long to hook up with the tire talk. Here's the problem with Chris, okay, because usually Chris is okay on a Tuesday but we didn't have work yesterday. So we're getting Monday, Chris on a Tuesday. I've been staggered. Like my breath has been taken away by how bad Chris Cody has been today. I've been truly stunned by it. He wasn't listening to anything Tony just said. Come on in buddy, come on in. I'm gonna win it, it's the same room. Yeah, it's the same room. He's there too. Yeah, he's here at Yokohama Rotto. So I'm gonna give him a little smell of the, I'll go give him a yeses. Look, I'll whether be okay. Tell me that doesn't smell like a Hispanic baby. Lightful, isn't that. A little Cuban baby. A little Cuban baby. It's cheap. I will tear it.

41:2049, you can get the purple squeeze bottle or you can get the original. This is glass. The glass bottle. We don't let my daughter touch her because she'll throw on the phone and explode it everywhere. But Tony's Hispanic part of the day. I will be oletas shout out to a teenager. Maybe I could do something with a teenager in another episode, Dan. What do you think about that?