Iran War Just Got Much Bigger / Matt Bracken & Lt Col Daniel Davis

0:00For weeks now, actually for months, President Trump has been trying to find a deal. He keeps saying that Iran is begging for a deal. All we've got to do is find out what those right terms are. And as soon as the they'll agree to us, then we'll get the straight of hormones back open up. The war will be over and everything will be great. Or at least it was till here, I guess about a day or so ago. Now it's none clear what President Trump is trying to do. Is he trying to win the war? Because he started to use that language again. Or are we still trying to find some negotiating settlement? It's unclear, but things are continuing to happen because the Iranian side is not sitting passive and to try and to try to figure out exactly what we got going on. We are going to listen to our audience. We're going to release the braken. We have Matt braken back with us again. Novel has dedicated his story in the rabble ralser and the guy with a lot of great maps. One of the reasons we love having you on here, Matt, welcome back to the show. Yeah, my wife hates that rabble ralser part, but there's a lot she doesn't like about what I like. So there's probably a reason why we put that on the on your on your description

1:03there. I bet it'll stay. Listen, let's kind of get into what some of the stuff that's going on here a late. There was there has been in fact the last round that happened while I was on vacation with my wife here. A lot of back and forth happened with another exchange of fire between US and Iran. It looked like it might blow up and it kind of at least so far it settled down, but it was all spawned by the US attacking. I'm sorry, first Iran attacking an American ship, the rumor of the report was that the Iran's fired a couple of missiles only, which was interesting to me that they would only use two missiles to go after an aircraft carrier strike group, because that would seem to be grossly insufficient for the for the amount of defenses that we have. And that's certainly how it turned out. And then the US fired back in response in all this kind of stuff. Well, the Iranian side has said, listen, that was not just for no reason at all. We have actually, let's see if I've got this right here. This is from General Reza, either the REOGC general.

2:06This came out yesterday. Can he says, and this is one of many such reports from the Iranian side, Washington has received a clear warning from Iran's new missiles. Then he goes on to talk about the economic war and some operational issues. But that one there seems kind of just out in the middle of nowhere. What do you think that they mean when they say Washington has received a clear warning from Iran's new missiles? Well, I think we're, you know, we're truly in a 5D chess, chess game to this extent. You know, there are, there are possibilities of striking a ship and causing a mass casualty event, which Iran may not wish to do because there's no real, I'm not sure how the American public would react. Forget about sinking a carrier, just hitting it and having a big fire like the forest all, which was a Vietnam era, just having a massive fire,

3:06you're going to have hundreds of casualties from smoke and fire and other things, explosions going off. So whether or not it sinks, the carrier will be out of action and you'll have a huge number of casualties. There, there's an article I found recently, it's from April, but it's talking about the similar Chinese missile called a Dung Fang 21D. And it's also hypersonic. It's we're talking about the same kind of range, 1,000, 1,200 kilometers. That range, high hypersonic, you know, over, over Mach 10. And the difficulty with these has always been the terminal guidance phase against a moving target. So Iran has proven pretty conclusively, nobody can disagree. They can hit a bullseye all the way out the Jordan, which means they can hit a bullseye and Tel Aviv if that decision is taken. You know, it used to be that ballistic missiles remember these go all the way

4:07back to the 1960s ballistic missiles. It's not new technology. You just put more propel, you know, more propellant in the back and you can get something into orbit. If that's your goal, just make a bigger rocket with more propellant. You can put, you know, Ellen Shepherd into orbit. But for it, for a ICBM until recently, they were going to be nuclear because they weren't going to be accurate enough to say hit the Pentagon or the White House or the Kremlin, you know, or KGB headquarters. So you had to just say, well, we'll just have to take out Moscow or Washington or New York. That has fundamentally changed now because, you know, these ballistic missiles are so accurate that they can put a, you know, a thousand kilogram warhead, you know, straight into the building that they're targeting all the way out at distance because these are maneuverable in flight and in the terminal phase. So they can do a little bit of steering, not a lot, but a little bit of steering.

5:09The difficulty is with an aircraft carrier that's cruising along at 30 knots. You can't aim at where the carrier is. It's like leading a, you know, leading a quail, you know, a feson. You have to aim to where the carrier is going to be because the flight time at high Mach for a thousand kilometers is around 10 minutes. So in that 10 minutes, the carrier can make a radical turn and be kilometers away in a disc, in a different direction. And remember, these are ballistic missiles. They're not a guided missile that's, you know, making turns all over the place. This is, you know, a ballistic missile basically, it means like a cannonball or an artillery shell or a mortar round. Once it leaves the tube, that was the whole basis of like anti, you know, counter battery artillery radar was, you know, our computer can see the flight and know where it's going to land. And it can also see where it took off from, right?

6:11For counter battery. Well, the big goal forever has been how do you steer one of these ballistic missiles? Then the steering so far that we've seen and Ted Postal has covered this. He's my main source of information for this that if these warheads can just jink a little bit, few degrees in the terminal phase, they can still score a bullseye. But the, you know, the fat interceptors that are going up after them, you're talking, you know, the warheads coming down four kilometers a second. That's like many times faster than a varmant rifle, right? That's many times faster. And the Patriot is going up at a kilometer a second. So you've got all this has to happen in one second. So if the warhead can just steer a little bit, it makes interception almost impossible. In that second that they have to react. Well, for the, for hitting a carrier, though, in that 10 minutes, if the carrier is notified when the satellite sees the plume of the rocket taking off, okay?

7:17So they see the rocket taking off. They don't know exactly where that missile is going to go. They can get an idea pretty quickly. But as soon as they see its heading towards, you know, sent comm area of responsibility, you can bet that the carrier is going to make like a 45 degree turn. And that means the warhead coming down has, has not a lot of steering ability. It has a small cone of, of detection. So if the carrier is gone five kilometers to the right, it may see only ocean and can't find the carrier to steer into it. And even more complicating for this, and it's in that article that, that was just up. The, the hypersonics are making like a shield of plasma. They're so he, they're heating the air like picture, the mercury capsule coming in. You know that, that just dome of, of red hot plasma around it. So its sensors are blinded during that phase.

8:18It's, it's under discussion if they're getting midterm guidance from the, from possibly from using the Chinese GPS, I just, I just call it Chinese GPS. So they may be getting information on the movement of the carrier if a Russian or Chinese satellite is watching the carrier. This is, this is like the, the cutting edge of all this. I assume that the Russians and Chinese are sitting with the Iranians looking at the satellite imagery. Just the way our guys are looking at the satellite imagery. All this is happening in 10 minutes from, you know, the rocket taking off to hitting the ocean somewhere. So we see it take off. The carrier can make a radical turn and, and then it's up to the, any midterm guidance is possible if they're working with Chinese or Russians to give it mid course guidance. Once it's coming in back in through the atmosphere, this is like just out of the atmosphere, like a hundred miles up these, these hypersonics.

9:21But when they're coming back through the atmosphere and they're slowing down, they've got that plasma shield in front. So their little radar detector, which has a very small cone of, of vision anyway, it has only a short time right at the end to try to spot that carrier and make that small turn to hit it. So this is the, this is like the new frontier of steerable ballistic missiles. And nobody on, you know, that not the US Navy, not the Russian or Chinese Navy can say yet, this will work or this won't work. But you can bet that they'll only get better. You know, that the, the, the same point can be made about the Chinese submarines that I'm going to, about to make somebody said, yeah, they're making like 10 submarines a year compared to they're making one. But ours are still better. But each generation of their new submarines will incorporate the best new technology. So they have hundreds of these dumbfying missiles that can hit our carriers,

10:23but maybe they're not that great with the seeking technology, but they already have hundreds of the launchers and the rockets. And as the technology improves and lessons are learned, they're going to mount that gear into all of the rockets. So we may be on the, on the verge of a new era where the carriers are absolutely obsolete. I sent that like dinosaur meme over there where the carriers, if, if ballistic missiles are steerable in the terminal phase, and can even find a moving ship, because remember, you know, they're moving 30 knots. They can cover a few kilometers. But when they, when, when Mochon Reza said, I forget the terminology, but he said like we gave them a good scare. Yeah. If when the carrier is notified that this missile is coming their way at hypersonic speed, the, the ship's loudspeaker system may have time to just get out of warning, like it's sort of like a brace for impact warning, but it's like brace for a, brace for a turn.

11:26Because they only do these tests like when carriers are being before their commissioned, when sea trials, you might have seen pictures of them where the carrier is making like a super aggressive you turn just to see how it will work. And it's leaned over like 30 degrees. So if the, if people are like preparing meals on the ship, and suddenly the carrier is making a, you know, 90 degree turn without much warning, you can imagine people are getting thrown out of the bunks. Dishes are going all over the place in the galley, right? Anything that's not bolted to the deck is going to be sliding across and falling down because I think that's what they meant by like gave them a, gave them a scare because the Iranians who I have to assume are sitting with Russian and or Chinese, they can now watch the carrier. And they're probably saying, okay, they've detected it because look, it just made a 90 degree turn.

12:27It made a 90 degree turn because they were told here comes a ballistic missile that may or may not be able to hit them. So they, they were in an early stage of this. And I would compare this part of it to say, 1930s when, when the dive bomber versus the battleship debate was happening. Was that Billy Mitchell? Yeah. They were saying, the, the Navy didn't want to hear about it. Battleships were going to rain supreme forever. That would just put more anti aircraft guns on battleships and their airplanes would never be able to touch them. Well, we know how that worked out. Or in the Spanish Civil War, the Russians and the Germans both were testing out new weapons. And, you know, other technologies like the Stuka dive bomber, the, the, of the transport airplanes to bring true of Franco's troops from Africa to Spain. You know, they, so these, this could be seen as like a JV war or J,

13:29a junior varsity game for a potential all out war between a USA and Russia or China. So just as in the Spanish Civil War, the Germans and the, and the Russians all had like liaison officers, even in the American Civil War, there were like French, German and British officers. And if you can imagine, and I've personally met this guy, know him in real life, I know a, a retired British Royal Marine colonel who fought in Vietnam. And he, people would say, and he, when he visited me in my house, he had never told me this before, but he had brought all the documentation, you know, orders, tickets, pictures. And he was sent to Australia as a liaison officer during the Vietnam War attached to the Australian SAS. And then he's in Vietnam with the Australian SAS, so that the British could have some officers

14:29in that war actually experience, you know, on the ground. So this is probably went back to, you know, the, you know, the group, those Spartans and the Persians were probably sending liaison officers on these excursions because it's really important to learn this. And when, why would they send one rocket out other than it's a warning? There's a couple of points that they can make with a one shot warning. One way is it could be a called shot. They can show the telemetry later that we aimed one kilometer beyond the aircraft carrier. And we had exactly what we were aiming at. That would be a called shot like, I, you know, if I told you, I'm not going to hit the bulls eye. I'm going to hit exactly three inches to the right of the bulls eye, you know, in a rifle competition. And then you, so you tell everybody, I'm not going to hit the bulls eye. I'm going to hit three rings over three inches to the right. And then you had to hit it. You've made your point. You could have hit the bulls eye. And another point of this is, and this kind of on a macro scale,

15:33it goes back to like, you know, mortar fire, you know, you, you, you fire a few rounds for the spotter to, to tell you, you know, up, down, right, left, and then fire for effect. So they want to know for the, you know, the Russians, Chinese and the Iranians, they want to know how accurate were we? It, if this thing hit 500 yards from the carrier and exploded, they'll all have a story to tell. You know, if it hit 20 kilometers away, they might not have even noticed it. But, but you know, that's a pretty big warhead, even if it's 500 kilograms and it's hypersonic, it's going to, to make a pretty big splash when it hits the water. You know, it's going to explode even on the water. So this might have caused the Navy to rethink how close they can get to, to, how close they can get to Iran. And the further away they are, you know, that, that, that cone, the Gulf of Oman, between the Pakistan, Iran border and the corner and the

16:37shoulder of, of, of Oman there, the further away you are, the bigger that, that area gets. So if you have to move back a few more 100 kilometers, the area of the ocean that you're covering expands enormously, which means that those six destroyers you have on the picket line, the blockade line are going to be even less effective. And what, what, what Riziah is also announced is, is about the, their new zone of control. It's sort of like, because they've been in, in their Iranian discussions, they're very, they're trying to figure out ways to get rid of air blockade. And blockade is hurting them, no doubt. One way is to push our ships back and make them less effective, which I think they did with this, this ballistic missile, what they're even calling a test. And the other is, Riziah is announcing that, this is sort of like the inverse of air blockade. We're not going to just, you know, check vessels coming into the straight of Hormuz.

17:38Now, anybody crossing that line, the same line, the Iranian border to the corner of Oman, anybody crossing that line has to have permission. They have to coordinate with us. And anybody that comes in without coordinating is going to be put on, they're using the term sanctioned list. And, and, you know, this means they may never be allowed permission in. I don't, you know, a lot of times things are lost in translation of, you know, the term sanctioned might have just been a translation error or semantic, you know, gray area. But what I'm thinking is that, because they've said the US Navy is never coming back into the Persian Gulf period, right? And we can't rebuild those bases without ships. You can't fly in giant radars and you can't fly in these giant satellite uplinks. They come in on a ship. So the Iranians are saying only, only people, countries friendly to Iran are going to come into the Persian Gulf. So anybody that now is,

18:43in essence, that what they call the Persian Gulf Authority, I think they call it, now they're drawing a line much further out. And they're saying from Oman from the, Iran, Pakistan border down to Oman, you have to talk to us to even come in that area, or you'll be considered hostile. And, and significantly, the port of Fugera, that where the UAE's pipeline goes across and gets a couple million barrels out of day, that's inside of that, what the Iranians are calling their zone of control. So they're answering our blockade line with their blockade, with it like an inverse control line. And I think that they're sort of daring us to do something about it because they're showing that they can, you know, put an aircraft carrier in danger. So, and they, and they have, and there's a whole class of weapons that, as far as I know, they haven't even used yet, which are, which are these, um, truck mobile missiles.

19:43Um, the, the one that they hit last, that we hit last week called a Fajr 5. Yeah. It's a, it's a truck mobile missile system, but with like three tubes on each side, there are three, um, uh, they're 333 millimeter, which is a foot. So it's three small rockets that it's not, people are saying it's like a kutusha, but it's not really. It's just three missiles on each side, but this variant supposedly could fire like mines out into the, out into the straight of where moves. And that's what we hit that initiated this whole recent exchange. Yeah. And, and we're not sure nobody is claiming it. We're the mines fired because it's easy to find something after it fires because you can see the plume from out our space, right? You know, when it comes out of a cave, it's pretty hard to find. You know, there, yeah, it's a big country, hundreds of kilometers of cliffs and caves. When this truck comes out of a cave from out,

20:44out from undercover, you and might have one minute to find it and shoot it. After it's fired, after it's launched, then you destroy the truck. They don't care. Once the thing is fired, it's, it's missiles. It's expendable. And the crew either drives it away or just runs away, waiting for a counter, you know, counter battery on it. But, but this was not like a, um, one of their big truck mounted, uh, single missile, um, based kind of like what we used to, what we knew as the Chinese silkworm missile. So depending on the size of these missiles and how much propellant compared to how much, uh, warhead, we're talking, you know, from 100 kilometers to, you know, three or even 400 kilometers as an anti-ship guided missile that goes low to the sea and then, um, pops up and then dives down. And we really haven't seen our destroyers fired on with these.

21:45I don't think that, you know, I think that they could be if they wanted to. My point is, I think that Iran is holding back entire classes of their weapons. You know, they haven't gone aggressively going after our Navy ships. I don't think they want a mass casualty event. And they showed pictures of a bullseye on what they're calling a barracks. The barracks was empty. They're making the point that if we want to cause a mass casualty, this was in Jordan, I think. Maybe it was Q8. I forget, but which is a lot closer. But they're hitting things like a barracks that they know the troops have been moved out, you know, or, or a repair hanger. So they're, they're showing their accuracy, but they're not aiming at where the troops are. You know, we have Marines. We have a, I forget if it's a battalion or a couple battalions of Marines at the top of the Gulf of Aqaba by Port Elliott and the and and Aqaba Port. They were, they were targeted

22:46about a week ago by Iranian ballistic missiles. And we claimed that we shot them all down. And their side claims that we didn't even have any interceptors there. So our troops are so dispersed. This gets back to the last hour. Our troops are spread all over the place. So you just can't have a patriot and a battery and a fad system everywhere protecting all of these troops from one end of Jordan to the other. So some of the troops are going to be vulnerable. I think that it's possible that they could have put a missile right into the middle of a Marine camp. And then you'd have something on the order of the Bayroot barracks. They'll quote unquote barracks. The Bayroot building. So, you know, again, with a called shot, they can put one of them one kilometer into the desert next to those Marines. And we don't see this because we're not seeing the diplomatic cables. We're not seeing the classified information that's being passed through Pakistan,

23:47where, you know, we're just looking at hope and source, right? But at the at the at the secure level, there may be people that are saying, you know, they could have put one right in the middle of that tent city of, you know, with a thousand Marines. They chose to put it outside of there. Right. So the question is where are they going to go, especially if you're right on, because they have claimed it, that they're, they have categories of weapons that they haven't even used yet. Once they have been using, we still haven't stopped because you pointed out the bulls eye, which they have demonstrated the ability to bulls eye hit. But let's go back to what the motion, Resah, I said, that Washington has received past tense, he says, a clear warning from Iran's new missiles. The next two bullets are the important ones, I think. The economic war, economic war will be met with the criterion of a prohibited maritime zone across the entire Persian Gulf up to the encirclement perimeter, which you mentioned does include Fajir, which I

24:47was shown on the map a second ago. The operational stance against American ships and military bases has undergone a fundamental review. Now, he doesn't say, at least in this post, what that review revealed or what the consequences that, but is this one where you think that this is more like the, this is the open source information here, but that there's more private information, more detailed information being communicated behind the channels. No doubt there's much more private information, especially if they're making called shots and intentionally not going from this casualty of hits. But I think that it's also since you brought up motion, Resah, and I think I've mentioned this before, in the confusion following the revolution, there was no Iranian revolutionary guard. The Iranian, the Shah's army was in disarray, officers were kind of hiding out, you know, wondering if they should burn their uniform, how do I prove my loyalty to the new regime? So there's a period of great uncertainty in military

25:48in military terms. Then they were invaded by Iraq in 1982. At age 27, Moshe on Resah is the, becomes the leader, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, a corps, so people probably don't think in terms of, in these terms anymore, but it's, you know, a battalion, brigade, division, corps, you know, that's like multiple divisions, a corps, and he's 27. So you only become promoted that way because the people around you recognize your leadership ability. So he led the IRGC for like 15 years, went into civilian life, picked up, I think a couple PhDs had jobs in the civil world. Now he's back as the head of the security council, and he is the spokesman or interlocutor for the new Supreme Leader, the new common A, who hasn't been seen

26:51in public, who may be disabled, but nobody is disputing when Resah says, I speak for him. Nobody is saying, well, we'd like to hear what he has to say. Nobody is challenging Resah on the basics. There's nobody in Iran going on television or writing an op-ed saying, you know what Resah said about this new strategy? We disagree. Nobody. So this is probably the first time in years that I think there's an undisputed commanding general in charge of this of the Iranians. That's important Yeah, you're not hearing from other spokesmen, well Resah doesn't speak for me or he needs he's the head of the security council, like the 12 member security cabinet, security cabinet, and he's the personal advisor to common A. And so it's sort of like Edith Wilson with Woodrow Wilson, you know, she's like spoke speaking for Woodrow while he's allegedly in his in his bedroom reading

27:57all the newspapers and telling her what to say. Well, we don't even know if he was combatose that whole time, Wilson. So we don't know if common A is one of two feeding tube if he's in a coma, but we do know that motion Resah is saying I am his advisor and nobody's saying no, you're not nobody's telling Stalin we disagree, right? After after one in his poison and dies, and then Stalin, you know, maneuver's trotsky out of the picture, it was a very short time and nobody was saying Stalin we have to have a vote of the supreme stovia. Stalin came out and said I'm in charge, said I'm who said and did the same thing. He came out and said I'm in charge, is that famous black and white video where he's at the podium and he calls out the names of people that he doesn't think are loyal and goons come in and take them away and they're never seen again. I'm not saying he's doing it that way, but when you see somebody you're picking up the

29:00commanders baton, the field marshals baton and saying I am the personal advisor to the supreme leader, so anything that the supreme leader has to say it'll come through my lips. So we're dealing now with a very competent guy who at age 27 was leading a corps which taking the religious aspect of it out, we have an army and we have a marine corps. Why do we have a marine corps? Why don't we just put those divisions in the army? You know, it's like a it's a deep American puzzle. Why we still have a marine corps, but we do. And I'm not saying it's a religious thing for the Marines. In some cases, they're close to it. All right. Yeah, a type of religion, type of religion, but the so they have the the IRGC like a marine corps to their army and it may be it's in a much more authoritative position, but he led a corps which is divisions plural at age 27. You only do that

30:07because everybody around you said he's the guy. Yeah, and now no one's saying anything else besides that. And so the guy from the from the from the Iran Iraq war, the guy has been you got to come out of retirement, semi retirement, you got to lead this thing. And here he is. So now then we got to figure out where are we now? Now, as I said in the opening President Trump for a long time said, you know, we were trying to get a negotiated deal. The Iranians were begging us for a deal. They're begging me. Would I just they I don't think they're ready yet. Remember he said that famously several times, well, now here a couple of days ago on true social, he kind of changes the narrative a little bit. It kind of caught a lot of people by surprise. If you could toss that up there on the screen. This is what he wrote. I think this was was this yesterday. Yeah, this is yesterday. He says all prices will drop precipitiously like everything else is dropping, but more when we win the war with Iran, and he talks about $3 gallon blah, blah, blah. That let's let's camp on that

31:10phrase right there when we win the war with Iran, that's something he hadn't said since like the second or third day of the war when he said we had already all but one and we were looking for unconditional surrender. And then a few days later, he realized, oh snap, we really can't do that. What do you make of his claim now that we're going back to looking to win all caps the war? I think maybe he woke up and took like four of his of his brain pills or something. Or maybe he didn't take four brain pills or one of the other. Well, I'm in the camp with Brandon Wiker and Robert Barnes that I think his mind is shot. Now, he can still come out and speak. He doesn't slur his words. It's not the same as with Biden, but he's so far all over the map and he's no, to you even use the word responsible, no American leader in the middle of a war should be joking about nuclear weapons, much less putting up that meme where he's pushing the red buttons up in a spaceship and you know dropping

32:12nuclear bombs on the earth. I mean, this is so irresponsible. Or putting up the map of the new USA which covers Greenland, Alaska, to Panama. I mean, imagine if Putin put up a map of like the entire Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union with a Russian flag of at all or if China put up a map showing all of Southeast Asia, Japan and Korea as part of China now, people wouldn't think it was a joke. But somehow we're supposed to just say, oh, Trump is trolling. The man with the nuclear launch authority shouldn't be making jokes like that. And I hope that the commanders under him, if they get the order to like put a, you know, put one of these tactical missiles underneath of an F-35, I hope somewhere along the line, somebody says I won't do it. You know, I remember, I'm old enough to remember Colonel David Hackworth. I don't, I barely remembered from the from the era, but I've read

33:14his book about face several times. And he went on television, he went on Meet the Press and he said, he was a full bird Colonel, Battlefield Commission in Korea, you know, a kid, a kid when he was commissioned. And you know, for jumping on a tank and directing a battle in Korea, because nobody else was, Battlefield Commission, one of the youngest colonels, all these leadership responsibility positions in Vietnam, he went on TV and said, we're being lied to and we can't win the war the way this is being fought, took off his uniform, moved to Australia, threw away his career, no pension. Where are these guys? But I hope if some pilot is just not going to just, I hope these guys aren't just going to strap a nuke underneath of F-35. And everybody just, this was, I put on my own ex over the weekend. I call that same thing out. I said, it's time to stop making excuses, claiming everything is a joke, joking about when to choosing to launch nuclear weapons is a dangerous detachment from any

34:14basic level. Basically the same thing you said here. And so we'll have to wait and see if anybody's going to do anything about that. I actually got to meet Hackworth, I met with him several times before he passed here in Washington, Lawnen. Yeah, I've been looking for that same kind of people. Matt Ho and I have been lamenting where are any of these people? Some of them, you know, you know, what, see who was at the commander of Southcomme resound allegedly because Hakesets was asking him to do something illegal, which was to kill people in boats and claiming that they were terrorists or whatever they were, whatever the claim was, Narco terrorists and so they just assassinate them all. And he retarded, but then he never sent anything. So we don't know for sure if that's why he left or not or if he was forced out or whatever. But I mean, do you, you have a lot of contacts with folks in the military? The whole pension is so huge. You know, everybody's got a family, everybody's got a wife, everybody's got kids in college. And you know, you've got whatever, whether you're going for 30 or you're going for 20 and that you're looking at that

35:18pension and you do this while you're on active duty, they can come after you hammer and tongue and find some reason to take away your pension. You know, and then you've got to face your wife. Right. Your kids aren't, you know, you're not going to the big university. You're going to community college and we're moving out of this house. So I know there's a lot of pressure, but there's a there's a certain amount of that has to just be considered personal honor. Personal honor. Are you are people just going to salute and pass the order down to strap the tactical nukes onto our planes and drop them when I ran? If that order comes down, well, somebody then what are you going to wait till effort blows up and then go on, go on camera with the shaded out and your voice distorted saying I advised him against it. Well, why didn't you go on TV before they did it? You know, when if you hear a discussion about this, I think, I think any any flag rank or or field grade officer that is in a meeting where they're seriously discussing

36:21the modalities of, you know, pickaxe mountain and nukes and coming up with proposals, you know, we'll have to do two, just like in top gun Maverick, you know, one to hit the air vent and then one to go deep into pick it. If you're in those discussions, I think you need to speak out. If it's moved to that level where they're saying, well, where are these bombs and what aircraft, how do we have to get them on? How do we refuel? If you're in those discussions, I think you're honor bound to come out and talk about it. America cannot be the only country that's ever used nuclear bombs, especially not in a war we started. You know, this didn't start in Pearl Harbor and we finished in Hiroshima. That's when I grew up, that's what we always said. And I understand we had put crushing economic sanctions on Japan and they felt like they were in an economic war with us and they were just moving it to the military phase. But when I grew up, we would say, you started it in Pearl Harbor your way. We finished it in Hiroshima and Nagasaki our way. But we started this war

37:29with a sneak attack. If we start a war with sneak attacks and it didn't end in three or four days with a regime change and people dancing in the streets, thank you, Trump, you know, ding dong, the witch is dead. It didn't work out at six months in. We're out of options. We've gone from sanctions to kinetic, back to sanctions. Maybe kinetic again. If there is anybody seriously talking about how we're going to potentially do nuke attacks, I think they need to come out. Even if they got to, you know, jump on the grenade and lose their pension. I think it's that important. America can't use nukes in a war. We started with sneak attacks. It'll be the end with this country in the whole eyes of the world. And did they're serious consequences to this one? There would be. And look, we've had one recently. There was that Air Force major who's probably thrown his whole career away just to protest here over not over a nuclear weapon just over the conduct of the war

38:32itself. I would hope that there's still somebody in that if we got into a situation where you're talking about, it would be catastrophic for our country. It wouldn't succeed, by the way. These bunkers are designed. And I understand where I know. And they've got like 28 of them. And they've like Dr. Postal says, you can't kill the knowledge. You can't destroy the knowledge. They turn out thousands of PhDs with physics every year. That this is 1940s technology. And the rockets are 1960s technology. You can't put that genie back in the bottle. You'd have to salt the earth. You have to wipe out Iran and salty earth. And that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. No. And we'll have some problems before that. I want to look at one other thing that's going on in the Middle East air because there's a it's not just what's happening in the the straight horror movies. It's also what's happening in the Bobbler and the Dobbs. That is continued to be a contested area. It's not closed off like the straight horror movies relatively is. Maybe about

39:35half of it. Still a significant issue for Saudi Arabia. And here of late Saudi Arabia attack, I want to say it was over 100 air strikes against various Houthi targets, Unser Al-Ala. And then here a couple of days ago, Unser Al-Ala answered back. And then they said, listen, they launched dozens of ballistic missiles. I think this is from earlier today. They said that the attack was in response to 121 Saudi air strikes carried over the past three days across Yemen and provinces. And they say they're going to continue to do so. And they're going to maybe even potentially shut down more. And there was some Saudi Aramco sacks that were hit over now. What can you tell us about what's going on there? Well, I sent I sent Gary a picture of Yemen, like a comparison of Yemen in California, because I think right off the bat, when Americans just hear words like Yemen, they're picturing like Kuwait, or Oman. Yemen is bigger. It's like a fifth bigger than California. And it has almost as many people. And it's not all scrub desert of learns of Arabia

40:40like Saudi Arabia is. So if you look, if you're just looking at a map, Saudi Arabia looks huge compared to Yemen. But Saudi Arabia, if you consider just the open sandy desert like an inland sea, for example, then it's almost like an archipelago. Saudi Arabia is, what's the population of Saudi Arabia? I think there's more Yemenis. And Yemen has rivers and mountains. And a very tough mountain people, and they're Shia. So they're aligned with, you know, they're religiously aligned with Iran. So Saudi Arabia feels like they're sandwiched between these Shia threats. But they're, the Saudis are relying essentially on a mercenary army, you know, people from Sudan or wherever, British pilots, you know, and so that goes to the motivational factor of your army when the offensive, whereas the the Houthis are, you know, Ansar al-A, they're super motivated people. They're

41:45mountain people and they're super motivated. And the Saudis are going to totally lose an a tit for tat because as we saw with the US engagement against them, what was it two or three years ago, we're like destroying their port facilities and they're saying we don't care. We will never quit. No matter what, we don't quit. And the Saudis have to pay mercenaries. So, you know, for the, Saudis are saying we're going to take Sana, the capital, it's ridiculous. It's, they've got to go through mountains that are, you know, like, you know, 11,000 feet high. It's, it's just not going to happen. There's another video of that, of that, that missile strike on the three Saudi pickup trucks. That might be part of it, but the missiles now are so pinpoint. Ballistic missiles from hundreds of kilometers away can hit a single vehicle. I'm a parked vehicle. So, we're in a whole new level of warfare. Everything we learned in desert storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom, it's all,

42:49basically it's all obsolete now. You know, the advances in drone and missile technology integrated with the new GPS's star links, you know, everybody's satellite constellations for persistent 24-hour ISR. We're in a whole new, we could never do desert storm now. Right. You know, ports just loaded with munitions at ships coming in every day and unloading. That, that might as well be 1900. You know, that, that might as well be World War One. That is so obsolete. And we still too many of our planners think in those terms. Yeah. And I think that the, that the Iranians have really been pulling a lot of punches because if they wanted to, I think that they could have, for example, you know, hit the marine tent city. Just hit it. Just put one right in the middle instead of deliberately missing. I think they're calling some shots and trying to warn us. And I think it gets through to our field

43:50grades. I think it's getting through to the battalion commanders. I'm certainly know they're aware of what we're talking about. But do the guys in the White House? Yeah. And we, as we on our previous show, we just exposed that there is a gulf between the tactical operational troops and the headshed guys, meaning the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Secretary of State, President of the United States. They don't seem to be connected at all, which is a real problem. Maybe even some of the four-star generals running a little bit low on time here. I don't want to get one more thing on this same topic here. The war is multi-faceted here. And the Russia Ukraine war is also kind of have some bleed over here. Sergey Lavrov, speaking of Saudi Arabia, was also trying to say, hey, listen, we're trying to work on some things with you. They're both part of OPEC+. And so Sergey Lavrov went down there to talk about them. And they're trying to be diplomatic. But he's saying, listen, we also have an

44:51interest in having the Bobbler-Mindov open, but it's going to require some diplomacy. Here's what he had to say about it. In the context of economic cooperation, we confirmed our commitment to continuing close coordination within OPEC+. With the aim of ensuring a balance of supply and demand in the global energy market. In the current conditions, this is especially important. Both Russia and Saudi Arabia, as co-chairs of this group of countries, will consistently pursue coordinated approaches. In the Palestinian territories, primarily in the Gaza Strip, unfortunately, here too, despite the existence of an agreement that was presented as President Donald Trump's plan, there has been no progress. In October of last year, it seemed that the Israelis and Hamas had reached an agreement on a ceasefire. And the provision of humanitarian assistance to the civilian population. But this agreement is not being implemented, both in Moscow and in Orliad. We proceed from the understanding that only a comprehensive settlement of the Palestinian

45:53problem. And there is a well-known international legal basis for this in the form of UN decisions. Guarantees lasting peace for all the peoples of the region, including Israel. Now, I think that he's certainly lever-off is trying to actually wedge in between the United States and Saudi Arabia a little bit further by saying, hey, we agree with Saudi Arabia, you know, this idea that we want to design the Abraham Accords. Yeah, they'll sign the Abraham Accords as soon as Palestine has a state of its own, et cetera. And, you know, this whole issue with the Gaza Strip coming to an end, or the war and the Gaza Strip coming to an end, he's saying, we agree with all that stuff, but it hasn't happened yet. And so he's kind of agreeing with Saudi Arabia, who they say there needs to be a Palestinian state. And then Russia may say, we'll try to help you over here. How do you see that whole dynamic? I think that all of the Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, they're hedging in every direction. It's kind of like South Korea, they, you know, we're telling them you have to send a destroyer. But meanwhile, they're also

46:57making ships to go up over the Russian Arctic route. So everybody's hedging, wondering, you know, depending on who wins this war, we'll go back with the Abraham Accords at the same time, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Pakistan are the first three big countries to sign the Mecca Accords. You know, that that could be flushed out, filled out later with countries like Egypt, Iran, other countries. So I think people are making deals in all directions. It's kind of funny. Somebody said the West looks at these things like Western Christian marriage, one man, one wife. And a lot of these countries in the Middle East, they kind of have a more, you know, you can be a member of several, you can sign up with several the Abraham Accords over here, the Mecca Accords over here. You know, we just had the SCO, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting. It's very int, and the BRICS is coming up. It's very interesting to make a Venn diagram of the main countries

48:00that are in all of these organizations, right? China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran, they're in the BRICS and they're in the SCO and potentially in the Mecca Accords. So I think everybody is preparing for what comes after this war, what if America never does come back into the Persian Gulf? What if all those, what if all those protection deals are dead because, you know, we didn't protect them. We left. We bailed out of the Persian Gulf. You think they're just going to welcome us back with the bands playing on the dock. Here come the Americans, put up the flag again. I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah. I did it out very seriously. That's going to happen. There's one other complicated issue that it's going to the Middle East. It's also, and now it's include Europe in this one. There was, and I think I have here Andy Burnham. No, I'm sorry, I have foreign minister, Emil Brandt, his Andy Burnham's foreign minister, went before the House

49:00of Commons and says, hey, you know what, we're going to, we're tired of seeing all this settler violence in the West Bank. We've been making protestations. The Israeli government had done anything. So now they're going to bring some sanctions on them. Here's how he put it. The British government agrees that there is ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and areas of the West Bank perpetrated by settler terrorists. And all too often, the Israeli government has turned a blind eye to this, and worse, members of it have made statements and taken actions to support the forced displacement of Palestinians. I do not believe the British people want us supporting the occupation by accepting products from settlements in our shops and supermarkets. So I can announce today that we will introduce an import ban on goods from illegal settlements in the occupied territory. Now, I'm going to show you the Israeli reaction to that here in just a minute. But let's camp on that for a second because that's kind of at least it might be, it seems to me that it's a big deal that they're taking action because there's been just usually just reflexive

50:04subservience to anything coming out of Jerusalem, Adam Netanyahu government. The fact that they're standing up to this, is that, is that some tactical move or is it a so there's a shift in public opinion? I think it's part of of UK's gets a frenzy right now. And I think that in terms of the challenges that Britain faces right now, they're daring Russia to go into a kinetic phase. I know that the CIA director just went over and now they're reporting that the deal was, he was conveying the message from Trump that Russia will not attack European targets, but America is going to withhold that targeting information, the satellite information, etc. Starlink may not work for them. But they've also got this situation in Britain with literally hundreds of men a day being ferried. You know, these hundred man rubber boats, there's no military application for these.

51:06So a factory in China is making hundred man rubber boats that they just carry down to the beach every day. They go out into the English channel and in a group called the Royal Navy Lifeboat Institute, which is like a quasi volunteer thing, picks them up every day. And it's reaching a boiling point in Europe because they're just watching the UK be invaded. I mean, like an equivalent of a battalion, a week or more coming in, being put up in hotels, fed, given phones, expense cards. So I think that this is like, let's, you know, squirrel. I mean, in the list of Britain's challenges, I agree what the settlers are doing is disgusting. What it's not even as bad is what happened in Gaza is much worse. And it's coming out and being more accepted that the Israelis knew about October 7th, they stood down so that they would have Cassis Belai to just flatten Gaza, the equivalent of five

52:11Hiroshima bombs, one two thousand pound bomb at a time, all made in America to Arashim and what they're doing in southern Lebanon. So for, for, you know, Burnham now to stand up and I think it's like squirrel. He'd write, he welcomes a debate with Israel over this to take the coverage off of the evening news from the ongoing invasion. I mean, imagine this is these are not family units. These are men in their 20s, getting in rubber boots, going out into the English channel, and then being rescued, put on buses brought by the government. You know, this is, this is causing a huge backlash in Britain. I don't know if you've been following that. You know, I have actually, I went to London a year ago and one of our cab drivers was to chew my ear off on a whole trip, telling me about how unhappy they are about the exact but now they've got actually got hundreds of men that are showing up in places like Dover,

53:11wearing blackbolic globos, getting between the police and these migrants, turning these R&L I boats away. It's like Quazai Coast Guard. They don't really have a Coast Guard. So it's like a volunteer donation seeking group called R&L I, but they go out every day and pick up hundreds of men and bring them to England. The easiest part of this invasion will be handing them rifles. One 20-foot cargo container can carry 2,000 AK-47s and all the magazines and bullets. How hard is it to bring 2,000 men anywhere? It's real hard. Feed them, you just don't bring them and park them. You've got to feed them, house them. How hard is it to bring in a 20-foot cargo container? Real easy. Real easy. So they can be facing, it won't just be the hassle of a bunch of foreign men. It can be bought of clans every day and they're doing this. So yeah, for for

54:12Burnham, now he's saying, oh, let's cause a ruckus with Israel because I think he'd rather see that than, you know, potential. They're talking about conscription and Britain to go to war against Russia that we may have to have conscription and will the, will our migrants be exempt from it? So it'll be British men going off to fight the Russians, but not migrants because they're not British. So this, you know, Britain's in a shit storm and I think that, you know, this is like an elephant that's got, you know, giant alligators biting its neck and it's trying to, you know, say, look at my tail. There's a flea on my tail that this settler thing. What's it got to do with Britain? I mean, any other country could say the same thing. Any country could say the same thing. So I think he's just looking for a diversion. Yeah. Well, we'll see where it's going to be going. I mean, it's disgusting. It's disgusting, but it's not even the top 20 of British issues. Yeah, but so we'll, yeah, his voters will, we'll have their say on that one because there's a lot of

55:16anger. Nobody elected him. Nobody elected Andy. Nobody elected him. Right. He's elected to fight a soul. That's, that's, that's how their thing works. In the last few minutes, we have there. I want to look at the other half of that equation though. And that is in Israel's reaction to it. And their president cuts, I think it was, oh, sorry, you know, the, the Iranian, I'm sorry, the Israeli president made a response to this. I'm sorry, this is really rich. Listen to what he says here is not the answer. Sanctures are not a solution. Dialogies. I say to all foreign governments, stop. Step away from the dead end of sanctions and boycops and turn towards constructive dialogue and towards cooperation. Sanctures are now all the sudden the dead end and we live on sanctions. Everything we do about Israel, Iran and Russia. That's all we do as sanctions, but now then

56:19suddenly there are dead end. I don't know. It's beyond hypocrisy. It's beyond parity. I mean, it's, it's, I don't even know what to say about the, you know, the Zionist Israelis anymore. The greater Israel project than they're pushing into Syria, they were firing on the right after the Turks left the little air base that's way closer to Turkey than, than to Israel. They, they consider all of Syria to be a free fire zone for the IDF Air Force. We've seen that they, they, they've hear Oshima Gaza, you know, without radiation, but otherwise it's the same as here Oshima and they've, and you know, they're, they're depopulating the southern third of Lebanon. I mean, you know, what can you say about it? It's an out of control rogue country and unfortunately the world sees us backing them all the way. Every one of the bombs that did that was made in America. All the airplanes that dropped them were made in America. That's our handy work. Yeah, and it's, it's, it's, it's a

57:23grigis. It's a grievous to me to have to observe and, and I just don't, I mean, we're, we're, is this going to be able to go? I mean, how, how much longer? I mean, even looking at the Trump administration, what else can we do? I mean, we'll, we'll, President Trump ever do anything similar to what Burnham did and say, hey, we're going to stop this. Or are we literally going to just keep the coffers open forever? I think Trump is completely controlled by the, you know, the APEC lobby and is, is many friends of, you know, the Zionist persuasion, friends and donors. And look who he sends. He doesn't send even Rubio who's not even a trained diplomat. He sends Whitkopf and Kushner. His, his, his nepotism, son-in-law who's worth like, you know, a billion and a half one all these insider deals and, and, you know, his real estate crony pals that they're all making fortunes on insider knowledge. I'm, I'm, you know, really feel, feel bad about where our country

58:32is right now. Yeah, hard to argue with that, which is one of the reasons we do this show, one of the reasons we invite you because we're going to be open and honest about it. We're unintimidated, and uncompromised to bring people the truth because they deserve to hear it, not just to spend they get from mainstream media. And we really appreciate you coming and giving that today. You really brought it. Appreciate it. Thank you. And we appreciate you guys too. We, we are going to have one more show to you in about one hour. And now we're going to look at the, we touched a little bit on the European part and the Russian part and the Ukraine war. Larry Johnson is going to be with us live from Moscow today. So he is right there in the, the, the, the bears den. So to speak, and he's getting lots of good information there. He's going to give us the most updated stuff about what is really going on in the war in Ukraine. See us then at four o'clock on the Daniel Davis deep dive.

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