Inside the Minneapolis Insurgency

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1:02and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show is January 26, 2026. Lots going on in Minneapolis. That's where we are going to start this morning. I'm Andrew Colvet executive producer of this show, Blake Neff here in studio. And in sunny Phoenix, I was under the impression that many Minneapolis was going to be much more reserved over the weekend because of the chill, but it turns out there was no chill. That was not there was zero chill in Minneapolis. And of course, we are talking about another protestor that was shot by DHS officers. Lots of details in this. We have people slowing down the footage, playing it back, looking at. Now listen, this gentleman, pretty, pretty, was armed. He was resisting arrest. I'm not here to defend all of the actions, but I will tell you this.

2:05I am sick and tired of liberal protesters acting like kamikaze agents. And, you know, going right into the middle of an ice operation, which is law enforcement, federal law enforcement, and not respecting authority. This is why I think you're missing the point. If you're arguing about whether or not he was pulling for his gun, if he wasn't, you were missing the point. The point is, when you get pulled over and you have a weapon in your car, what you're supposed to do, the first thing you're supposed to do, you're supposed to put your hands, turn the car up, put your hands on the dash, roll down your window, and then you say, officer, I have a weapon in the car. That's the first thing you do. It is a responsibility. If you go into a crowd, if you are out in public and you are carrying a firearm, to let law enforcement know, the complete and utter lack of respect for law enforcement is what continually is causing these malays to happen in the open street, but there's so much to get. So much. We could take this from about 18 different angles.

3:08It's important because there's a lot of reaction to this. And we said this after the first incident, but it's worth repeating, because it's even more important after the second one. A few people have said, oh, well, you actually don't have a right to bring a gun to a protest. You do have a right to bring a gun to protest in America. But let's also be clear. This was not just a march. It was not just people standing. This was people were getting in scuffles with these ice officers. They're doing this friction, this low level violence with them constantly. And that's what happened with this guy where he's getting tackled by all these ice officers. And we don't, as you said, we don't need to get into exactly how this occurred. It seems like it was an unintended tragedy. But the reason this is happening is because the strategy of the people who are opposed to ice is to maximize the friction that is going on. Every time ice goes anywhere, they're getting harassed by people. They're getting screamed at by people. They have to worry. Oh, is someone here about to pull a gun and shoot us because people online are open. They calling to do that. It's happened in Dallas. People have opened fire on ice people. They've been rammed.

4:12They're all blowing on these whistles constantly, which is clearly not needed to actually warn anyone, which is what their claim is. It's actually just to constantly annoy and freak people out. I mean, you can watch the video. There's just these whistles going off endlessly. And they're creating a situation where everyone is maximally stressed out. They're maximally concerned. Something could go wrong. And something like this, whether it should happen or not, something like this happening is inevitable completely. And that's the point though. And that is the point. Yeah, this is a low level insurgency. They're trying to avoid overtly kinetic engagements with these law enforcement officers, but this is organized. It's financed. And they are pushing everybody to the brink on purpose. And that's the key here guys. This is all intentional. They are pushing for casualties. They maybe don't want to be it themselves. They maybe don't want, you know, they want to go home to their loved ones or friends or whatever.

5:12I'm not saying that, but they fully understand that when you pressure and stress law enforcement and you do it repeatedly over the course of days and now weeks, something is going to happen. And now we've had two instances in Minneapolis, first with Renee Good and now with Freddie, where two Americans are dead. And guess what? We don't blink. This is not the time to get weak in the knees and blink because that is exactly what they want. That's exactly what they want us to do. They want us to back down. And the message has to be clear. You don't throw a tantrum and get your way in America. We have laws. We have order and we will enforce them. It doesn't matter if you're finance, doesn't matter if you have a thousand people on a signal chat and you're harassing ice agents and looking around. You have to remember we as a conservative movement, we as Americans must build up immunities to these tactics. Why are they doing this? Because it has worked because Republicans buckle at the knees because they blink. We must not blink this time. There's 10 to 20 million illegals that Joe Biden led into this country were cleaning up their mess.

6:16Now I'm all for the president working with Tim Walts. He just put out a true social saying that they've talked on the phone and they seem to be on the same wavelength. Good. We don't want an insurgent force in the state of Minneapolis. We do not want a radicalized population in George Floyd's own. We want the governors to do the right things. We want the mayors to do the right things. And what is the right thing? You are part of a republic. You are one state in 50. You must obey. You must collaborate with the federal law enforcement. That's the compact. And that remains the biggest challenge of all of this because we don't want Minneapolis boiling over into some blood bath. But you can't just leave. You can't just say we're going to turn down the temperature by pulling ice out of Minneapolis because once you've done that, you've established that actually rioters and insurgents have the ability to nullify federal law with the connivance of their local and state government. You just can't allow that. Once you do that, that's not even just embarrassing for the administration. That's catastrophic for the country.

7:20That's every other country in the world can go. Wait, the United States doesn't even control its own interior. That is the empire is falling apart. Yes. I'm told I'm president Trump wants to call the insurrection act yesterday. I'm good with it. You have to squash this. This is a formalized organized insurgent force. Now they've got tactics. That doesn't mean IEDs. No, it does mean a systematic attempt to bring the peace to prevent a systematic attempt is being launched by people who are not the government to dissolve the power of the federal government in Minneapolis. Well, this is an insurgent force and you need counterinsurgency tactics. And I'm not saying, yeah, we're not saying blown people. We want everybody safe. That's the point. You do an insurrection act because you want everybody safe. Obviously, there are extremely unsafe situations happening in the streets of Minneapolis. You got you got these protesters going to these hotels, vandalizing them, breaking these videos that are going around of you got a one DHS, you know, agent standing at a door arm telling everybody to get back and stay back in the middle of the freezing cold in Minneapolis.

8:31That should not be a scene that you see in the streets of America. The police in Minneapolis being told to stand down, that should be criminal, hedge need to roll, indictments need to come. There needs to be consequences for defying federal law enforcement. There needs to be consequences for inciting and looping up crowds and having a bat signal out in the whole country is telling every antifa member all over all over the country that Minneapolis is your fallujah. That's not going to happen. That's not going to stand and you do not get to where you want to go here. If you bend the knee, if you blink, if you give in, if you tell them that their little tantrums are going to be successful. I'm looking at you, governor, Stit, Lindsey Graham, we're not going to put up with that not here in the United States of America. We have law and order. We have rules. We are going to follow them. I'm just going to play this clip, though, as I'm so offended by it. 221, this is governor Stit. President Trump closed the border, promised to get violent criminals out of our country.

9:32And I think everybody agrees with that. But now Americans are asking themselves, what is the in game? What is the solution? What's the goal right now? Is it to deport every single non-US citizen? I don't think that's what Americans want. No, the goal is to deport every illegal illegal anybody who is here uninvited against our laws. Yeah, they got to go governor, Stit. I don't like it when Republicans, by the way, run to CNN to go what, what, like get re invited to the cocktail party. Are you looking at the end of your term and you want to be an eat me last Republican? No, thank you. No, you got to hold the line here. That's the bottom line. We're holding the line. They want us to bend. They want us to blink. Do not blink. If you're tired of watching this country drift away from the values that made it great, it's time to get involved. That's why I stand with AMAC, the association of mature American citizens. Charlie loved this country and he loved partnering with organizations that truly stand for what makes America great.

10:36One of our most trusted partners, AMAC, the association of mature American citizens is doing something special in Charlie's honor. AMAC is offering free memberships to all ages, no credit card, no strings attached, just a chance to stand for faith, family and freedom. Join this movement. Go to AMAC.us slash Charlie today. That is AMAC.us forward slash Charlie today. Lots to get to and we're going to have Cam Higby join us in the next segment. He is making waves, man, in Minneapolis. We've had him on once before Nick's order, but he infiltrated a signal chat that's sort of like their command and control center. There's information nodes and we even find out that you've got state representatives in these chats. You've got the lieutenant governor. We should see this up, I think, because what we are getting is big picture. You're having an organized operation by the Democrats with their activist arm, with their state and local arms.

11:40And yes, with their national arm to abolish federal law and also kind of go back to abolishing the border because the new demand, like what they're really pushing for after this student this past week is that they need to have a total defunding of ice. And the border patrol, well, okay, if you just defund them, we don't have a border anymore. Yeah, it's just gone. It's all back to the Biden era. And that's what they're demanding. So we should play this. We had we had play what? Well, we have clips of them demanding. So for example, we have Adam Schiff, Democrat senator, clip 209. If Democrats vote against this DHS funding measure, my question for you, senator, are you prepared to vote against DHS funding if it means partially shutting down the government again coming on the heels of an incredibly long shutdown? Well, I'm not giving ice or border patrol another dime. How about Seth, Seth molten. This guy's a real peach. I mean, these guys are their whole tactic is to go throw a tantrum. They want you to bend the knee, not going to happen. We do not blink. I'll say it again and again and again.

12:51I do not respond to terroristic threats. I do not respond to petty tantrums. You should not do that either. We should not do that as a movement 202. People are scared. People are really scared and they're scared for good reason. And I would love to be on your show telling everybody it's going to be okay. Don't worry. This terror will not be coming home to you, but I can't say that because it is the explicit intent of this administration from Trump on down to terrorize blue cities across America. So I mean, he just keeps going. Yeah, I mean, Tim Walls had a line. He made the comparison to Anne Frank hiding in the attic against against direct incitement. It is, it is. They're really they're whipping people up and I actually I would have personally I would avoid using the word tantrum because it's so much more sinister. This is not babies complaining to get what they want. A real revolutionary agenda that they want to abolish. They basically want to abolish the United States because if the United States doesn't have a border, it's not a country. Anyone can come here. It's like a free zone.

14:00And they want to achieve that. They did achieve it under Biden. It was absolutely ruinous for the country and the mere act of trying to undo all of the damage that Biden did. They have gone into an absolutely spectacular meltdown. They're trying to destroy, they're trying to kill police. They're trying to get cities destroyed. They're willing to do basically anything. They have doctors in Florida threatening to like kill people who come in for surgery. And they're doing all of this because they want to abolish the country. This is a very revolutionary agenda completely agree. Here's Senator Van Holland. Remember, he was the one who had sipping margaritas with Maryland dad 208. The reality is that the real domestic terrorists. They're in the White House right now. They're people like Stephen Miller. They're people like Donald Trump. They're the ones who are terrorized in the community. These communities having nothing to do with public safety. People across the political spectrum are looking at what they're seeing on the videotape and listening to the lies coming out of the White House. And that they're agreeing with those of us who say we cannot continue to provide one dime to this lawless Trump operation.

15:09You've got liberals all over TikTok saying it's time to die for the cause. Does that sound like business is usual? Does whipping people? Does this sound like, you know, this is just run-of-the-mill peaceful protest. Good trouble. No, this is why you have armed men going into the crowds and confronting and resisting arrest when DHS tries to subdue them. I'm not saying everything was perfect in that interaction. And what I'm saying is this is why you're having these interactions. This is why ice is whipped up and scared and on guard and tense in the first place. We should play some of these videos. If you have a comment, Blake. Well, they're just they're constantly engineering things to make everything worse to make things more violent. They're encouraging the DHS tactics. That's a big one where, oh, anytime ice is trying to detain someone, try to get in the way and fight with them. That is how you get stuff like what happened on Saturday or Friday. I mean, I literally have a clip sheet here. I have seven clips here of Libs on TikTok going, it's time to die for the cause, folks, 211.

16:16If we don't have an ice uniform on, we're not safe. Make sure you have your affairs in order. I'm going to work on getting mine in order because rights don't exist in this country anymore for us citizens. What the heck are you even talking about? All Freddie had to do was say, officer, Mr. Agent, Mr. Whatever. I have, I have a weapon on me. It's legal. I'm, you know, here you go. Hands up. Hands where you can see him. Yeah, I'm here to protest. I don't want deportations, but I'm armed. Just want you to know that. And then that would have de-escalated the good old fashioned way to 12. Got another one to 12. I think I'm willing to die for this, but we lack a clear plan beyond basically complaining in all its forms. The good people in this country aren't asking for another peaceful protest that fizzles out by Monday. We're not asking for catchy slogans or edgy t-shirts. We're asking for direction.

17:23The largest force in this country is standing by waiting for someone with a platform to say, here's how we organize. Here's how we apply pressure. Here's how we move deliberately relentlessly in without illusion. Tell us where to be what to do and what to bring. Go to 214. We could play these all day. 214. Hey, so they're going to kill us anyway. So I think maybe we should just mob mob them. I mean, I don't we have to do something like we have to as bystanders mob them like that like full American revolution, like hiding in trees. I think that a username on that account is Jen existential crisis, which it could just be a joke, but I think it gets at something. It's for a lot of these people, she seems mentally unwell. She's whipping herself up to cry while making a video for the camera. A lot of these people, they're taking their personal mental illness and they're projecting it into this revolution.

18:28For some of them, they're dead serious, but some of them, a lot of the people driving this, it's an extremely exotic political lark. They want to be in a Marvel movie or a Star Wars movie or their favorite, like a lame is a rob musical. And this is deadly serious. There's these are kids that are trying to go toe to toe with law enforcement. And that's why this is always going to end poorly because they don't know how to respect law enforcement. They fundamentally disrespect law enforcement and they want a revolution. This is this is this must be quelled and it must be quelled quickly. Hey guys, if you've been a faithful Kirk podcast listener for any amount of time, then you've probably already heard about strong sell. It was Charlie's favorite supplement. If you want to deal with your brain fog, fatigue, lack of energy or constant illness, then you have to try strong sell. People always asked Charlie how he's able to just mind so sharp and his energy up and strong sell was his go to every day. I traveled the country with Charlie watching people ask him time and again, if he really believed in strong sell.

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20:33Cam, welcome back to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. So you got your hands on you infiltrated or tell us the backstory. How did you get into a hold of this information the signal chat and what did you find inside of it? Yeah, well, I made a friend and I can't say who it is or. I can't elaborate a lot there, but I managed to get in. I got a link to many of the signal chats specifically the rapid response groups that were being used to actively track down and hunt ice. And then stage intentional obstruction of their operations oftentimes resulting in violence and sometimes death in the case of Mr. Freddie, and I also believe that Renan Nicole good was a member of the signal chat. So I don't have confirmation from anybody in the chats like we do with Alex Freddie members of the network have admitted that he was what they call an observer. I don't have that for Renan Nicole good, but what I do know is that she was engaging in the exact same tactics that everybody else in the network was engaging and here's the other thing when they are in the neighborhoods.

21:42When you are seeing them actively impede ice or federal law enforcement operations in the neighborhoods, the only way you know to be there is through these networks. And I know that because before I was infiltrated, I drove around looking for ice convoys and looking for protesters in the neighborhood during active federal operations. And I couldn't find any, but then I joined the signal chats. I hunted them down like over and over again. So Cam, for people who haven't seen it, can you give a basic summary? What are the tactics they are describing? What, what's the whole process for how this unfolds for maybe a typical ice con boy? So as soon as they see a vehicle that they believe is federal law enforcement, they will send the plates into these signal rapid response groups. They have several occupations. There are people who are on motor patrols. So they're like in their cars and they're driving around looking for federal agents. There are stationary patrols people in their car sitting on corners. There are foot patrols, people walking around on foot and then people stationary on foot as well.

22:43You see them on corners everywhere you go in Minneapolis. Those people are constantly just looking for plates. Then there are plate checkers and that's indicated by an emoji of a dinner plate. That means that those are people who are probably home checking plates and comparing them to their air table database. And then you have dispatchers who run a 24-7 call to active right now, who tell people what intersections to go to. They check the plates, they confirm it and they tell people go here and then all of the patrols go to that location. And that's how they all end up there. And the goal is of course to impede federal law enforcement. That's their expressly stated goal. And that's exactly what they do. They obstruct. They de-arrest and they aid into bad illegal immigrants. They help vulnerable communities. They call them. And that's pretty much the synopsis. The network was new after I exposed it and they've already rebuilt it. I'd say it's probably about half capacity of what it was before. So, and then so they go there to obstruct. What are the tactics they're told to use for the purposes of obstruction when they're on site?

23:49Stand in the way. Block. A big one is honking your horn, blowing the whistles, follow the cars. So they'll follow the convoys everywhere. Like we were at one point. So Gregg Bavino was driving around Southside Minneapolis in a convoys the other day. I think it was a distraction convoys. But there was literally like 20 cars following this conboy, protesters honking their horns, blowing whistles. I mean, this convoys, if it was actually conducting operations, wouldn't have been able to get anything done. Due to the fact that there was such a volume of people following them with vehicles, which are weapons. So those are the tactics. And when we drive our car downtown, our car was marked in their database as confirmed ice somehow. Don't know how it's in the air cable database. I've seen it. I have screenshots of it. And so we would pick up like four tails anytime we went to Southside Minneapolis. And I mean, it is like as soon as you enter Southside Minneapolis, you automatically have three people following you. We would just right turn in a right turn and a right turn going to complete circle. And they're still following us.

24:52Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, it shows just how widespread this network is. There's a guy who replied to your tweet that's got 20 million engagements. By the way, congrats. Cam. It's great, great work. It was guy named Eric Schwalm. I've checked him out. He's legit. It says as a former special forces warrant officer with multiple rotations, running counter insurgency ops, both hunting insurgeons and trying to separate from the sympathetic populations. I've organized I've seen organized resistance up up close from Ambar to Hemland Helm and the pattern is familiar spotters cutouts, dead drops, discipline, comms, role specialization and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly. And that's the key. They are they are willing to absorb casualties by design. It's an information up. They want to win the hearts and minds of people to play victim when something goes wrong when they cause it to go wrong. This is the whole game. This is the whole game. They're going to put put a bunch of kamikaze Karen's put their bodies on the line. That's why you see Joy Reed saying you need to put your white bodies on the line.

26:01They're going out in the streets in the middle of the freezing cold doesn't seem to matter. By the way, I do have a question just on this. It seemed like the cold had no effect on these people because the because we got Antifa streaming in from all across the country. Are you noticing? I will say at the federal building there's a lot less people and there was this big individual walk out protest downtime. Many officers tons of people for that tens of thousands. But that was just a walk out so they only had to be out on the streets for a short period of time, which made the crowd look massive. I do think it is having some degree of effect on them. It's not happening effect and effect on the patrols though because they get to sit in their cars. So you get to sit in your car all day and then finally you find a convoy or an agent doing an operation you get out for an hour potentially get killed and if you don't get back in your car and you're fine. So I don't see this getting asked a lot so they're doing all of these hindrance operations. Is ice still making arrests? Are we able to see that happening? Are they striking out a lot? What's going on in that dimension?

27:02It seems like it I mean when I watched the signal chats they're talking about there was a live abduction over here at this time so it seems like they're still arresting people at least according to the intel from the protesters which isn't always the most reliable thing ever. But it seems like they're under the impression that arrests are still being made regardless. I haven't received any indication that things have slowed down. It's definitely difficult for them to operate given what they have to face at these intersections. I think this that clip was actually just after the Freddie shooting which was like a war zone right right there where it happened. And those people were all called there through these signal chats. I watched it happen when he was killed. I was still in the all of the chats before the network got gotten if they didn't realize I had leaked this right around the same time he got killed and they hadn't because he got killed it was fog of more than it realized I leaked it. So I was still walking well the organizational level of this and in some of the high profile people you mentioned the guy that was that was killed pretty he was in these signal chats.

28:04You've got the lieutenant governor you've got some state reps who else do we know that is of note that's in that was inside these signal chats. Yeah, I don't have 100% confidence that the lieutenant governor is in the chats just because I don't want to make a 100% certain name without fair enough. It seems like there might be some evidence indicating that she is I know zero hours done a lot of work on that specifically. I haven't had a lot of time to dive into it because I'm still on the ground I go out every day still and I get in the mix of these protests I was out there in the tear gas yesterday. So all of my time is spent on signal gate and on the ground reporting I just do info dumps and I say I recorded everything inside the signal chats here it all is. And then other people go and they find out the names of the people who were in the chats and stuff like that they slow it down. I just haven't had the time to dive into specifically identifying people I'm just making all of the information public. So making sure that these are my signal chats.

29:05So there's clearly a lot of people in these they have pretty sophisticated resources when they're checking plates and all of that. Is there any evidence that they might have access to privileged information like that they have someone in the police someone in the federal government in the state government who's giving them information or access to certain programs that are not supposed to be available for civilian use. I've heard this a lot. I haven't seen any evidence that that's the case it's definitely possible I'm not saying it's not possible and I'm not saying it's not the case I haven't specifically seen conclusive evidence that that's the case they're definitely checking plates but I do know that they have a system in place and I haven't really had the opportunity to talk about this a lot. The system is that they will run a plate and they have this air table database and when you report a plate you say vehicle seen with agents in the front seat agents exited the vehicle seen at the Whipple federal building in the parking lot seen an abduction or whatever and that gives them then the admins basically tag that with highly suspected ice confirmed ice.

30:15Possible or not ice and our vehicle was tagged as confirmed ice I think because we were like right behind the convoy one of the days and they they're like we were I was actually listening to them live while they were tracking our car they're like 450 joins convoy 450 joins convoy and like we're just doing the same thing. So that they're really I mean they're not that smart too is the other thing but I don't I don't see any evidence that that they have. Like a like a government play checking software seems like it's all reporting at this time cam I want to make sure that we get everybody to your your pen your pay paypal and Venmo you can put those up again so the paypal is DC Higby at gmail.com and your Venmo is Cameron dash Higby camera dash Higby please support the work that cam. I'm doing out there please everybody you're watching Real America's voice streaming please support this is how reporting works now you have independent people it's much better DCB just so people DCB thank you thank you DCB Higby DCB Higby at gmail.com sorry about that camp stay safe thank you for having me guys.

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32:26I want to show you some of these folks that are actually confirmed that I believe the sleuths on the internet I should say have confirmed that they're in these signal chats. I mean and it's it's very telling right so 263 this is an anti signal group leader who's been coordinating ice riots identified as Amanda Kohler paid protest organizer minutes out of state senator candidate and campaign strategist for Tim Waltz. So that's a campaign strategist for Tim Waltz working on paid protests one of the organizers of this signal group. That's what an insurgency looks like in 2026 264 this is a need a smith smithson candidate from Minnesota state senate avid anti ice watch dispatcher. So again this is the face of an insurg this is a radicalized population in the United States 265 this is David Snyder another gentleman who seems to have been.

33:35Involved in these signal chats if the if any of this is incorrect will correct the record by the way we're looking at this this seems to be pretty well established so we will correct the record if any of these people are improperly named. But I just want I want it I wanted to show these because I think you have this image or maybe you're like me and you have this image in your head of what a radical looks like. What you know what these were used to the Portland mutants correct and those are just sort of the those are the seal team six of this they're the ones who really will get in the thick of it but the bedrock of so much of left and activism is people like that. And they're very important and they're actually probably the greatest weapon the left has just a very looking normy looking very motivated frankly very moral in how they view the world they're the kind of moral framework. So they're very yet they have a moral framework they act according to their ideology they are not nihilists they are people. When Charlie would talk about women being norms and forcers and that what goes on with a lot of liberal women is they're the kind of people who would be holding your church together a hundred years ago and they've kind of been given a bad moral framework to work with and they've gone berserk.

34:50And that's what's going on here these people have gotten raised in or seduced by a ideology that's steadily driven them insane. And but they're still very committed they're very organized very effective and they get things they're able to get things done and they're organizing the signal chat like that that is something will be frank. The right has a lot of difficulty with that that's one of the reasons even turning point was so important was just getting off the ground this level of multi state multi institution organization that the left just comes to a lot more organically most of the time. But I think a part of that you're talking about these norms and these rules that these ideologies that they are very committed to and where you know we on the right we want to build our business build our family build our church. They want to build their insurgency they want to build they want to fight for those illegal immigrants in those child rapists with all their might. And there's another factor to which is just that for a long time if you had a right of if you had something on par with that signal chat on the right one it would get doxed earlier and the people in it would get in serious trouble and would lose their jobs and have bar complaints against them and all that and I don't think you'll see the same thing.

36:07I hope you're wrong I actually I again so I talk about building immunity this is going to be a repeat theme. You were building immunity to the sob stories I hope and I think we're doing that I think one of the key roles of this show key roles of what Charlie did certainly key roles of turning point is helping build the backbone build immunity to the old tactics. We can't be pushed around we can't be pushed off the mark when you let in 20 million people 10 million people whatever it was Blake's 100% right that is essentially a nullification of the United States that means we don't have borders we don't have sovereignty. So we can't let that stand the rules have to be enforced you come in here and you invade us you got to go that's the bottom line there can be no moving up that mark. More of the point not even just if you come here legally you got to go but if we're trying to arrest you like we have to be allowed to do it yes yeah and by the way and if you're some live that wants to keep all your your fraudsters by the way I thought about this on the way to the office this morning remember how this started.

37:0910 million no shit yeah that's the original starting point tens of millions just decades really of ignoring our immigration laws decades of letting. Businesses higher foreigners illegally but then you get Nick Shirley he goes and he uncovers billions of dollars of fraud up in wall you it's going to every place they've gone it's like oh there's an address next door and it has three day care is in a Medicaid services company all registered to this address yeah that's happened repeatedly this by the way they're stealing your money they're defrauding the US taxpayer. Many of them are violent criminals foreign gang members drug dealers childhood traffickers child traffickers many have killed Americans and I don't want to hear all this crap about well illegal immigrants per capita kill less than ice agents garbage ice agents are getting pressed right now they're getting hunted and stocked in the streets harassed goaded and they have a very difficult job not every decision they make is going to be super

38:11easy to defend every time and this is why because in a split split second decision when you're wrestling somebody who's resisting you who's packing who's armed yes some some some decisions are going to be made that maybe on in retrospect could have been made a different way when you're about to get rammed by a car something bad could happen that's why my instinct without fail is always to be a defensive law enforcement and yours should be that way too because they have a very difficult job. I figure we should hit president trump has yeah go ahead spoken on truth this is about an hour ago he says governor Tim walls called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota it was a very good call and we actually seem to be on a similar wavelength be interested in hearing that call yeah I told governor walls that I would have Tom Holman call him and that we were looking to have any and all criminals that they have in their possession the governor very respectfully understood that and I will be speaking to him in the near future he was happy that Tom Holman was going to Minnesota and so am I we have had such tremendous success in Washington DC Memphis and New Orleans and virtually every other place that we have touched and even in Minnesota crime is way down but both governor waltz and I want to make it better president Donald J Trump no thank you for your attention

39:31can I tell you why I like Tom Holman going there Tom Holman is a tactician so his background is actually less on the policy side less on the even the media side although he's very good at doing media I think he's very compelling he's a tactician he's an operator this is a guy that received commendation from Barack Obama for all of his deportations but this is a field general this is who we need in the field and not only for moral support boosting morale for ice agents there that are getting pressed upon at every turn but Tom Holman is an absolute rock star stud he's got a spin of steel he will not be cowed he will not be bent and so I love having him there he's also I think very reasonable when you talk to him he can talk to people on the other side of the aisle I think my hope is we will see de escalation but one way we get there is we do not back down you got to hand over your criminals there's no other way