Inside Epstein’s Earliest Florida Victim's Account (3/2/26) (Part 2) (3/2/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Michelle Pagan interview with one of Epstein's survivors in the early days of the investigation down in Florida. And when I say question, that's Michelle Pagan asking the questions. And when I say answer, that's the survivor giving her a apply question. You know, I've been doing this for a long time and I'm not saying you're not telling me the truth. I think you're not telling me the whole truth about what happened, okay? Matter of fact, I know you're not. And I know that you might be a little afraid looking on it. Answer, okay, I, because they already came to my dad's house and they did something to my dad's tires and my dad almost died. Question, okay, give me your hand. I'm here to help you. Look at me. Answer, I don't want them to get hurt because he already, they almost already killed them.

1:01Question, I'm here to help you. KB, who is the, the therapist jumps in, honey, I'm going to go get you some water, okay? Answer, okay, Michelle Pagan, question, I'm here to help you, okay? I'm being honest, okay? I'm going to be very upfront, but I need you to be upfront with me, okay? Answer, okay, question. The only way I can help you is if you're honest with me, 100% honest with me. Answer, okay, question, your counselor is not here, tell me what happened. Now, be honest about it. Answer, okay, when I got there, that Jeff guy and the lady were there and then the lady wanted me to come upstairs and she's like, she's talking to me and then she was putting out a table like for a massage and then, um, and then when and then she like put the covers on the table and they like, it comes to like, inaudible, whatever. And she's like, oh, Jeff will be up in a second. And then the Jeff guy got there.

2:02She was like, she was like, take off your clothes and I didn't know what to do because I was only the one up there and I just took off my shirt and I was like in a bra and then he came in and he had a towel over him. And he was like, no, take off everything. So I took off my pants and I was in my bra and underwear and he was like, now you're going to give me a massage. Then he went on the table and he's like, here, the lady that was putting down the table got out three lotions and put them on the table and then he picked out which lotion. He was like, give me a massage with this lotion and then I was giving him a massage. And he said, you can get on my back. So he was on the table and I was straddling him on his back and giving him a massage. And then he was turning around and then he whacked off and then he's like, oh, you have a really hot body and then I was like, that's disgusting, but I didn't say that. And then he's like, oh, excuse me for a second. And he, I guess he went into the other room and he whacked off again and then he came

3:03back and said to me like, I'm done. And he's like, here's your money. And then I was going downstairs and he acted all nice and stuff. He's like, bye, nice to meet you. Hope you can come back again and then Haley's like, how did it go? What did you do? And I'm like, he made me give him a massage, Haley and she's like, I know. And then we went to Marshall's and she got a person stuff because she got paid too, but I she didn't do anything. I don't think because she was downstairs the whole time while she knew I was up there. And when she asked you to go with her, answer, uh-huh, question, did you know? Here's your water question. Okay. Thank you. KB in Audible KB, um, you know, what? I'm going to go down to the dorm. She knows how to find me. Pagan. Okay. You feel better without her here? Answer. Yeah. Because I'm embarrassed because it's really gross and MP. It is question or answer.

4:04You might tell my mom, Pagan. That's why I'm here. Okay. Answer. And I don't want my parents to find out. Pagan. Well, answer because I told them it wasn't true. Question from Pagan. Your parents love you. Okay. And their main thing is for you to be healthy. Okay. Not only physically, but up here. And they know that right now you have a lot of issues. And I think this is one of them because like you said, you thought it was gross, right? Answer because he's like 45 years old. Pagan. Question. That's okay. Let's backtrack a bit. When you went with Haley, tell me the part where it was the truth. Okay. You were with Zach and Haley said, let's go. Answer. Yeah. Okay. We were watching. I don't remember the movie, but I know we were watching a movie. And then we were going to go take a ride because me and Zach were going to get dropped off at the bowling alley. So Haley, inaudible, she was saying about her boyfriend and Haley got on the phone. And then she was talking to that lady and that lady was like, Haley, Haley was actually

5:07saying, I'm coming, I'm coming. And Haley was like, can I bring somebody? And then Haley was like, the lady was like, what does she look like? And she started describing me. And then Zach turned around and said to Haley, who are you talking to? And then Haley went like that and she was talking to the lady and like just describing me what I was wearing that night. And then the lady was like, okay, well, Jeff is going to want to talk to you and Haley was like, that's fine. And then she got off the phone and then Zach said, I was like to, why are you describing me? Who are you talking to? And she said like sage, do you want to go with me tomorrow? I'm going to go pick up some money from my boss's house. And then she's like, cause I get paid tomorrow. And then I said, okay, and Zach's like, no, because I get Zach knew that or what she did because Zach said, no, and he got really mad at me and said, no, you're not going. You're not going with her. And then I was like, and she's like, you know, but you have to come with me. And I was like, cause, you know, the old man's going to give us both money so we can go

6:10shopping because that's like my boss and he's really nice. And I was like, okay, and then Zach didn't say anything the rest of the night about it. He was just like really an audible out there and mad, not really mad, but he was just like frustrated that Haley, I guess, would say that question and you didn't know what was going on. Answer, I didn't know it was going to that I had to give a massage and get naked question. What did you think was going to happen? Answer that like she just said, I don't know, but I knew something was wrong. Nobody's just going to pay you money, but I didn't think like that. I thought that was just Haley's business, whatever Haley do. Just go over there and she told me that it was a rich guy and she was saying, oh my god, he's so rich, blah, blah, blah, and he has like a new Mercedes and all this stuff. And she's like explaining them. And then what's it called? So actually we didn't, we left, but we didn't end up going to the bowling alley. Her boyfriend went to his house really fast to go get Haley something from his house and

7:10then he brought his car back to Haley's house and we were just sitting there watching the movie. But she was like, are you guys sure you're going to go with me? And I was like, okay, I'll go with you. I'm like last time, what are we going to do, Haley? We were going to go shopping and we were discussing what we were going to buy with our money because she told me how much money I was going to get $300. And I was cool. I know that I'm going to buy. We're just like saying what we're going to buy with the money. She said, I need to buy a purse. Then the next day, actually, I gave her my phone number that night so she could call. So she could pick me up. And then I went in the house that morning, she called me. She said, are you still going to come with me? And I'm like, yeah, so she's like, okay, get ready. I'm going to be there in 30 minutes. And then she came to the house in like 30 minutes and she had a friend with her. Question. Do you remember the name of the friend answer? I don't know her name, but she was like, really dark kind of like a Spanish girl.

8:11Pagan darker than me. Answer. Uh-huh. Question. Okay. Answer. And she had short hair. She had like a styled hair like a cute little style. I don't remember her name. I talked to her, but I didn't remember her name because inaudible right after I got in the car. And then all the way there, we were just listening to music and singing and stuff and like just laughing and stuff. And she told me the girl about her boyfriend and stuff. Question. So you're driving. So Haley picks you up. Do you remember what day it was? Answer. No, but I know it was a Sunday because I told my dad, dad, can I please go on Sunday with Haley to go shopping and my dad goes where you guys going shopping because he didn't know Haley and said no at first. And I was like, dad, that's Haley, you know, Zach's cousin, then my dad says, okay, but I have to meet her. So then Haley called me afterward and then she's like, I'm going to need $10 for gas and she was like, can your dad give me $10? And then I was like, sure, but I didn't ask my dad. I just inaudible $10.

9:13And then my dad was, okay, and my dad called me. He's like an audible. I'm not going to be able to give you money. So then I was really mad, but then I didn't tell Haley, but my dad ended up redacted in an audible, then Haley was pulling up. My dad ended up pulling up. So Haley and my dad saw each other and Haley was like, oh, my God, your dad is so hot. And then I said, right, started laughing about it. And then my dad gave Haley $10 for gas. Question Pagan. So you got in the car. What kind of car did she drive? Answer a truck. Pagan. What color? Answer. I don't remember. But I think it was a blueish color. I think so. Pagan. So she drove. Pagan, she drove, answer. Yeah. And that was in the passenger seat. And there was like a whole bunch of junk back behind her. And I was sitting next to it in audible or stuff for school. And there was like, but I don't know, but it took a pretty long time to get there. And you know, where like the rich people are, what is that street where the crab is center is, but farther than that, like towards the beach more that way.

10:18MP Pagan. Yeah. Towards the beach. Answer. Yeah, that way. Yeah, that's like where he lives. But when she pulled into, I know for a fact, it's a pink house. I remember the pink house. And then they had an escalating the driveway and then a Mercedes in his garage. I remember that much. Question. Okay. Do you remember? So you took the crab his way or did you answer? I don't remember where we question. You don't remember which way answer. I just remember the building question. It was near the ocean. Answer. Yeah. When I was with my friend, Christina, that's exactly where we went, like around that area. Not the city place area, but you know, it kind of looks like that area, like where the crab is center was. And I remember, that's how I remember. Do you remember seeing the beach and the ocean? Answer. No, but we went over that bridge where the ocean was and the bridge went over. Question. Okay. So you definitely went over the bridge. Answer. Yeah.

11:18We went over the bridge and it was up and we had to wait for it to go down. So we were there like five minutes question that, that was time you were with Haley. Answer. Yes. Question. Okay. And then the house you said you described it as pink. Answer. It was like, it was a two story house and then it was like a pinkish color, pinkish pink color. Answer or question. Where were the gates in front or something? Answer. Well, it wasn't a gate, but the back door had a gate to it and it was a white gate and Haley just like she knew that you had to open it and it wasn't locked. So we just opened it and there were three, two or three steps and you just walk up and then he had a pool and it had like the floor. The floor was like a hard something. It wasn't concrete. It was squares like concrete, but they weren't like MP question like tile, you mean? Answer. It was like a coral concrete, you know, like and then the pool was there and the house was there. I guess it was like a security house because a man that was with the security came out

12:21and he was like, what are you guys here for? Because you're knocking on the door and then Haley said, we're here to see Jeff. Question and then what did the man say, answer. He was like, oh, okay. And she's like, she smiles and then he let her in in audible, but he opened the door and then we went in and then in audible and then the counter, here's the door. Then you walk in and there's a refrigerator and then the window, a glass sliding window looks out of the pool. Question. Okay. Answer. And then the cabinet, I mean the cabinet, the island was like here and I mean there's like a cabinet over there and the door was right here. Question. Okay. Just for the tape purposes, the way you described it, okay. Is you walk in and on the left hand side? Answer. Okay. Well, there's a door. You look straight. It would be straight from you, but a little towards the right. Pagan. Okay. And answer. It wasn't a door door.

13:21It was just a doorway. Pagan. Okay. Answer. Okay. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. Answer. No, wait. Maybe it. I don't know because it was open, but there could have been a door, but it was open. So I didn't really pay attention, but I know it was a doorway going up. Pagan. Okay. So now you're in the kitchen area, right? Answer. Yeah. Question. The three of you. Answer. Yeah. Question. Where did you park the car? Answer. We parked in his little driveway area. All right, folks. We're going to wrap up this episode right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

14:21All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.