IMA 9/11 Panel - 25th Anniversary

0:00the idea of the false binary. I lose no choice, does. That was used to baseline assumptions. There's nobody questioned. This is part of the fifth generation warfare that we've talked about. Voting for the lesser of two evils, it's definitely an emotional psychological trap that people are in. You're cheerleading for insane ideology because you think you're winning. The role we have is media. How do we help everybody understand this is theatre and you need to get back into the real world. If you're opposed to the agenda, you're opposed to the opposite, regardless of who's selling it to you. Music Music Music Music Hi everyone. It is Kid Night here at the Toronto Guardian. We are here for, I believe, the 20th. I have a panel, nice round number. I'm talking through the early hours of the 12th of September,

1:01but for most of the panel, it is the 11th. The 25th anniversary of, I suppose, we call it the defining false flag of our time. Let's introduce the panel, shall we? We can just go around and say who we are and what we do. How do we do? How do we do? We are a geopolitics and empire podcast. Steve Boykin and I host the AMOLED. I'm Steve Boykin and I host AMOLED. A few other shows. Two into all of them. Ryan Christian, the last American vagabond. James Corbett, corporate report dot com. OK. Now, the original plan was to be a roundtable discussion, but I suggested to some readers we could also tackle a couple of questions. And as such, I got sent about 50. So we just got to know what to do. 50. So we're just going to go fall all in 911 Q&A today. We're going to start broad, go narrow, we're going to start central and go out towards the fringes.

2:03And it's going to be a ride. And the first question is a question I really liked because it's a question I was going to ask everybody anyway and somebody sent it to me. So now it's not even my idea so you can't blame me. Gareth sent this question. What are your memories of the day itself? And when did you start to doubt the official story? So I'm going to take it and turn to go round to the host's stuff. I think I'm second after you if you have the same order kit but I was at happy foods. I think it was yeah, in 2001 I was early university working at happy foods when I got the new supermarket. And then it wasn't until a few years later I began to question it. And you know with loose change and I just had a chat with Corey Roe who co-produced loose change. So it's funny how things sort of come a full circle. So that's where I was. Yeah.

3:06Oh is it okay. I was in Tuxedo Park, New York which is just across the Tappens E. Bridge from Manhattan at the Renaissance Festival where I was employed. We were at a little corner deli and there was a tiny little TV behind the counter and there were like 65 people crammed into it because we had gone from the Renaissance Festival campground where there's no TV. No, if you have electricity it's because you have batteries in a camper or fifth wheel or something like that. So we went from that not knowing the first plane had hit and we got to the deli like I don't know five minutes before the second one did. So we walked into a hell of a scene for that. And it almost immediately we were like I don't know about that and by the end of the week we

4:12were definitely like I really don't know about that. And of course over the next several years with a bunch of you know online documentary evidence up like that it formed a more complete but I wouldn't argue a completely complete picture. Yeah. Well my I feel like we in a different panel we I think we had touched on something similar because I was just recently talking about oh you know what nevermind take it back it was on a different 9-11 thing I did a couple a week ago. For me it was waking up that morning and seeing it on the TV which we're I have a specific memory of waking up and walking out in the living room and nobody was there the TV was on and I don't even remember exactly what they like everybody else was doing I don't remember them like being there upset or anything but I remember just walking out and seeing it on I think it was just before one plane had hit there was smoke and I just walked out going you know kind of just taking a back by it but the difference for me is I was not at a point where like I've talked about this in like

5:14my skepticism of different things coming from an early age but the kind of skepticism that we talk about in this field today I did I was not there yet not even close and I remember seeing that finding it interesting going like that's crazy but not really like even thinking about whether or not you know are we being lied to not even close to being there with that kind of topic in my mind yet but as time went forward I remember being very critical of that like very early in my my progression of like questioning the things around me just because of you know people like James Corbett and I really do mean that like James Corbett it was always somebody that you know got like I looked at his work and thought that's what everybody else should be doing and ultimately I very quickly went through that series of events but I found it interesting looking back on it though that I didn't have the same kind of like urge to like look through it and question things the way I do today so that gets the point to add to that is that something you need to work at and grow and evolve you know because there's they're happening every day it seems today yeah I don't want to hog any time but I did say my there wasn't like a poll to discover find more in real time as it happened it would like years

6:23later I heard Patriso Neal talking about loose change on the opian Anthony radio show and that's how I found out about loose change and that was the first time that I saw that movie. Patriso Neal as your rabbit hole moment that's unexpected but why not. So for me I was working at a property management office in downtown Calgary, Canada which was a wild day because we had our big you know property investor coming out to visit the office and take it to where the buildings that day and so it was just a crazy day of trying to like scramble to get him alternative transportation back home because it couldn't fly and what have you and dealing with the fact that one of I think one of our buildings was evacuated in Calgary because some of the flights were being diverted you know to Canada and so there was you know whatever they were freaking out about things anyway so I had a wild day it started off actually the first I heard

7:25anything about it I was getting off the train to go into the office and I met one of my co-workers she was Filipino and she was sometimes difficult to understand and she was saying something about like there was like a plane hit a tower or something I'm like what are you talking about I have no idea by the time I got into work obviously people were talking about it and then I really remember about 10 a.m. our time was it 10 a.m. does that make sense does that line up anyway I just remember the moment where one of my co-workers walked in and I'm just doing the regular thing because I'm just working the front desk and it's like a good morning and he's just like absolutely ash in face going I just saw the tower collapse on TV like he was anyway so I was just dealing with it all at the front desk and I remember they had the radio on in one of the other offices and I was like listening to the radio reports and they were talking about like explosions at the Pentagon and stuff just got crazier and crazier but I didn't see any like I didn't see any of the footage I didn't see any of the programming that we got indoctrinated with until I got home that evening in fact I

8:30remember writing the train home and it was like you could hear a pin drop absolutely no one saying anything I remember there was the special edition of the Calgary Herald that they printed that afternoon with the you know images of the towers collapsing and and somebody had like a transistor radio on on the train and everyone was just listening to the coverage of it like it was just a crazy day I did not I did not start questioning what was happening I of course I was inclined already to immediately distrust the Bush administration and what I was saying about it but from the perspective of you know this is blowback you know that kind of chomp ski got a ish kind of limited hangout kind of critique and that's what I went with for for years until I actually started looking into it for myself well my is probably a bit different because without throwing shade I think I'm the youngest person here I'm not sure but like I was actually in school I was actually

9:32sitting in a history class and first I heard it 9-11 happening what is the boy who sat two chairs in front of me all over no idea what happened to him um he went out to go to the bathroom he came back and he said all the teachers are in the start room watching TV apparently it's been so an accident that was that until I got home after school about an hour later um and my mom was watching it and so I can say confidently the first time I started doubting it was basically four minutes after I found out it had happened because one of the first things my mom said to me when I came to the door was I think Mossad did it because I think again potentially separate from everybody else I was very much raised in red pill orthodox like um this this was never going to have blown over with my family um so like yeah immediately it was like well whatever they said happened it was something else but I didn't really get into like the actual truth of it again I mean I suppose this is

10:32going to be sort of cliche but it was it was loose change I was actually I was in New York finally enough for the first time and I had to go over with my mom again who was working um when I was about 19 so I got a free summer in New York out of it so of course I went um and the way my jet lag manifested is that I basically did not sleep all the time I was there I was always looking for stuff to do and my friend said you should watch this documentary it's amazing she sent me a potentially illegitimately acquired copy of loose change and I watched it at four o'clock in the morning pretty much would have been the seventh anniversary I think and it that when I really got into it and started reading and watching anything I could get my hands on do you mind if I ask you kit do you know why your mom was so quick to think Mossad like that's an interesting thing right because I don't I mean you you guys let me know what you think I don't think that was very front and center like the day these things were happening in the sense of like you know because when I know these things developed over the next so many days the dancing Israelis the conversation the

11:34reports you know so curious what why would she well it was part of an ongoing conversation like obviously I came home in the middle when they were talking about it um just because essentially from an early age and like I was taught the whole quibono thing like she didn't see immediately any reason that an Arab would possibly have done that and like what really nailed it and I remember I was talking about this this is one of the images from that day that I don't think many people remember maybe it wasn't an American but it was an interview with the Yassah Arafat the BBC asked the Yassah Arafat what he thought of what it happened and I have never seen a man look so scared in my life he had gone gray and he knew immediately what this meant for his country and his people um and that is when the conversation at our house will move back to why this would have happened and what's going to happen next pretty quickly I mean like like I said I've been raised on watching I watched the FK but for the first time when I was like 10 um and that kind of thing I've been

12:39raised and that kind of thing already so it was no surprise to me that that's where the conversation went it kind of sounds like it's because they were more aware of the Palestinian Israeli conversation and the you know just just my thought on that sounded that's just fasting to me and you know because personally I think she's probably more right than anybody in this conversation today like that would be my not to jump ahead to the conversation but I definitely think that that's an obvious part that people are coming to terms with today of Israel's involvement and all of it you know well it sounds to me like kids mom was a heck of an anti-SMI and I probably be investigated or at least have a pint in the cup of tea bar for you know what's crazy though that's not even that funny today but the way UK is like where we are in the world like as long as she doesn't tweet it she'll be fine yeah yeah what's really funny is that to these days she would be one people that said oh it wasn't for sad it's more complicated than that she'd be arguing against her instinctual position um but yeah she's you know when I'm getting into a live fest for kids mom

13:41she's the best so let's just leave it at that um are we ready to move on to another question or would it be have any more my anecdotes they want to share because um this is a question that you know I found a bit interesting it's stuck in the nice and early willum in our comments asked please discuss chomskis why even discuss this who cares take a minor level and why we according to him should only look at the consequences and not the causes anybody want to agree with no chomsky on this oh let me see let me see if I can steal manate because to a certain extent okay we're all conspiracy realists and we know that there's no difference between administrations right and I so I I go back to what um chomsky was saying about JFK and you know obviously he was wrong about JFK like he was wrong about 9-11 but he does make the

14:46important point that I think a lot of a lot of the JFK hegeography has devolved into it's JFK has become the martyr and he was obviously killed because he was gonna like shut down the fed and all this other stuff which isn't true and I debug that and show him how that no in fact he was actually empowering the fed et cetera et cetera and um so it has become the sort of thing because JFK died therefore he was a saint and therefore he was a good guy and that's why they had to get rid of him and all of that right um no I don't I don't think so so can we apply that to 9-11 um doesn't matter well yeah I mean I I'm trying to think how that squares up with like doesn't matter whether it was Muslim terrorists or whether it was the new world order yeah it does matter I just don't see anyway in which that does not matter I'm trying I'm trying my level best to try to think how I would steal man his argument but I cannot do it there's just no way well if I could jump in on that to just kind of play to the side of it you know I agree with you because it entirely James it's

15:47it's an interesting statement which makes me immediately wonder if there's something he's trying to deflect from but you you could argue just to be objective stand back and take you know the personal you know an extremely objective opinion might be that if you know that there's manipulations and that governments lie and that there's other more than the surface level story almost always that might be what you would mean right there like it's not about the narrative it's about what's happening because of it and I would agree with that but I but I do agree with James point though you can't say it doesn't matter 100 percent it matters especially when you dive back into the house and wise and and what drove it to reality but yes okay yes you're right so if the argument is well okay what are the consequences and it's about the Patriot act and it's about the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and it's about the war terror and all of that yes but how how do we debunk that narrative if we say oh yeah but but the entire basis for that narrative who cares whatever well that's kind of that's the whole point yeah but that making you not take

16:51that step is Shomsky's function for 135 years that that's been that's been that's been kind of his sole purpose is to just stand there at the gates of actual truth going hey if you look over there there's something much much more important and that's there's a dsa convention and they're going to elect true lefties who are going to get the power back to the people so you should go over there don't pay any attention to what's behind me it's just a very interesting fence mural you keep going that way you know it reminds me of when I was waking up I remember one of the first things that I heard that really got to me was I think it was on the Alex Jones radio show this would have been like 2006 or something and I think he was he was talking about Bilderberg and

17:52whatever what they were doing and there was a clip of somebody who was protesting at some college campus or something and they're like the problem is some people want to tell you the problem is conspiracies and the Bilderberg no the problem is institutional racism or something and I thought well no the the problem is Bilderberg the problem is the people at the top like if that exists that is important and that's clearly oh I see so it kind of completely flipped my point of this and yeah I think when we look at 9-11 it's the same thing yeah no it is important you know where this ultimately sources from and anyone who's telling you not to look into it clearly is not doing so on you know because they have some some important point to me just real quickly before it's real quick or just to tie up just so it's clear from my perspective on that since we were discussing it I you know to play you know devil's advocate and be objective I think it's important to do what you know whether or not you think he is a liar or whatever but I want to say that I agree with the general sentiment like my my feeling on that would be there's no way it doesn't matter it's

18:55obvious that we have to understand that to know what drove it and so if he's if he's in a point where it's like don't look back look forward then I there's no way my gut tells me that's manipulation there's he's smart enough to know that that would matter at some point but it's still worth thinking about that first part but you know I think it comes down to the reality of you know using that like Steve pointed to to motivate some kind of political action which anyone knows if they think that's the right thing to do or not but that's the problem today from my perspective but go ahead right I mean what we're talking about the guy who put his name all overhead at her month's book and then spent the entirety of COVID manufacturing consent for the COVID regime so yeah I was just going to say when I hear the word jomsky I'm bored I find them irrelevant not important and as people are mentioning in the comments his his batting average is horrible and if he asks for for 9-11 what does it matter for COVID 9-11 same thing what does it matter and you know for the coming cyber 9-11 he'll say what does it matter and so yeah it's just I find them not

20:00relevant and I read his stuff 20 plus years ago when I was you know reading the leftish type views on foreign policy but he's like in the grand scheme of everything we all talk about the new world order he's like kindergarten level you know so it is wild how it's just like watered down milk yeah yeah it was my first 9-11 book all right I would say I mean no one knows you could really say for it is that if he at least had the like if if it was sincere and he was genuinely saying this is not relevant but I can respect the people the research and that would be one thing but the way he attacks and undermines it and actually calls 9-11 going basically buys into the whole conspiracy theory theorist at home stuff shows that it's a absolute best I don't really think it is but the best you can say is it is an act of moral

21:02cowardice and intellectual dishonesty and it's his worst than I have a Carlson did the same thing by the way until very recently he was you know attacking people that would ask about 9-11 and then suddenly like Mr. Truther now he's leading the charge it's like you know that's a work pointing out you know again who knows whether they just evolved their opinion we should be open enough to consider that possibility but you should question people like this you know I have noticed there's a certain trend with folks in this space as they get older I don't know what it is they mellow out and there's some people I don't know if I should name their names but I've had great respect for them have done great work on states terrorism which I think for me this is one of the most important points about 9-11 getting people to understand that this was state terrorism state crimes against democracy and then some of the analysts have done amazing work on the politics you know on covid I've asked them their opinions I can you what do you have Hassan covid which is like 9-11 on

22:02steroids mums the word they don't want to they don't want to talk about it because they've got a really good thing going in terms of monetization with some of their other topics but it's like I'm just going to be quiet on covid and that's one of the strange things though because there is more to it than just just actual like cynical motives some people just read genuinely develop like a block like I remember years ago I read everything I was reading one of the best books on JFK everyone the most thorough and I forget who wrote he published it free to online I've got a copy I downloaded somewhere I remember talking to him about 9-11 and he shut down completely he would not countenance the idea 9-11 was inside job and then the in a similar way you have all of a stone who went back all the last about 9-11 completely back to the 9-11 investigation after ranting about the war on commission for decades now is that because he's like a limited

23:03high on k-key but type or is it because he's simply in some way is not ready mentally to make that step is it something he's not ready for you can't really tell with everybody you can tell what people like Chomsky and you can tell people don't pass but with others it's more difficult well I think we should you know I agree with you like personal opinion but I think we should be skeptical and and think consider both for all of it because you're right there are people that just like we saw it during covid with our with family members you know that people that just like could not absorb it whether it's because they didn't want to see it because they were listening to somebody else you know but there's you know there are motives clearly as we can all see you know people that would like you were like you were discussing not to name anybody but the point is that like there are people in the 9-11 industry I mentioned this yesterday because it for a lot it's an industry today you know there's a lot of good people out there that use this day to really call attention to what we need and there's others that use it to grow their industry you know and I think part of it is for some of those people even doing good work is that they just know that if they step into that realm they're going to get eaten alive by some of the people who support their work because they're semi-mainstream we dealt with this sort of with the covid health stuff

24:06Derek was doing really good work then like CHD started picking some of it up from T-Lab and then suddenly they got a lot of kickback for some of these arguments from the political side of it and they just disconnected you know and it those things turn out to be correct and I think that's important part of it which I have zero respect for but it's very different than them choosing to lie about something you know and there's a much bigger problem right there but that's the hardest thing about this kind of like wall they put up for their industry but the lie part of it is more prevalent I think I re-ready to move on to the next question because this is a question I was genuinely interested in because I did not know the answer I mean this is Simon P who asks what is the connection between anyone and 9-11 and I wasn't aware that there was one I mean if I had to guess I'd say there was some sort of financial records may have been destroyed maybe conveniently but I'm afraid I don't know what I'm trying to answer this question and I'm hoping somebody it does I would go with what I don't but I would I would look like James might go by James

25:07yeah it's been 11 years since I did 9-11 trillions but I know that there is a statement in there about the N-ron records and WTC 7 and I don't remember off the top of my head whether that is because SEC did have I think a couple of floors in WTC 7 in which they did store documents and I had the number 4,500 documents of ongoing investigations or something but I don't remember if it has been specifically confirmed that N-ron documents were part of that stash at WTC 7. Wow at any rate I know some ongoing records of SEC investigations were destroyed in WTC 7 but in terms of the players behind N-ron and their connections to the Bush administration and what that might have to do with 9-11 that would be stretching the bounds of my knowledge on that subject. I just to throw it to what kids said I think I think it's you know an easy consideration that might just be a larger financial thing I mean these are massive industries companies that

26:09have their fingers and tons of different things so but I don't I don't I don't I'm not versed on the inner workings of that but if there were documents that were blown up that might be more of what they're talking about like you're talking about James like a cover-up of what they might have been involved in there was a massive scandal we all know about that one right so it's like maybe there was something in there that they was covering up because there's very very clear government connection to that scandal so you know that might because that's one of the major parts about the Pentagon side of it was it was a cover-up of a lot of different things and the consideration whether that was a secondary like take advantage of the situation or you know whatever else and so that makes sense but I don't know. All right yeah I haven't I haven't looked into that particular angle if I was going to I would probably start with stock market manipulation in various insider trading activities around September 11th that that would be the first place I would look yeah I'll just add someone in the off-guardian chat left a link to the escape key

27:11sub-stack whose work I'm familiar with and he just posted a few weeks ago on 9-11 essay and something interesting he says he talks about the triggering sequence that between September and December 2001 a series of events occurred in rapid succession 9-11 triggered surveillance and built the financial enforcement architecture the anthrax you know we all know the anthrax events tied it to biosecurity and he says enron tied it to corporate accountability and he goes on to say he says enron collapsed December 2001 producing the Sarvaine's oxley act which ended up so it produced these mandatory internal controls which he says goes on creating this architecture of you know greater financial control and so I I think there's a thread there that's interesting where that's why I call COVID and I heard you Ryan and others say COVID 9-11 it was like 9-11 built the foundation for a lot of this architecture surveillance financial control biosecurity

28:13COVID just continued the construction of that building and whatever is coming next the cyber 9-11 and just gonna keep completing that that architecture so it's essentially what the argument is more so that it's not connected to 9-11 but it's connected to the larger agenda 9-11's connected to like the next step of the large that that's interesting it's an interesting thought which just put that link in the chat I want to check that out because you know the I mean this is one thing I hope we get into deeper today is the you know was this one step in a larger agenda and if it was was it the long-term plan was it a byproduct you know and that would make sense you know because I think right now more than ever people around the world are seeing that's how these things are working like these different parts to much larger agendas and I'm interested in that for sure well and just some of that you know maybe some of you guys are familiar with that Frenchman Demetri if I forget his last time who does those funky videos tying everything together and he did one for 9-11 and you know people talk about Mossad I wouldn't doubt that they were in the

29:15element but you know looking at the stuff that Demetri pulled together and the other people who talk about it being a an occult ritual and just so much symbology going back so many years my view is that it would have been the occultocracy right the ruling elites broadly speaking had planned this for a long time in advance which makes me think it cannot just be you know the the Israelis you would have to be the broad like Mark Pazio's term occultocracy if this was planned so far in advance this is interesting though I see this right now today with what's happening is I question could you we can all see alignment like like a palantir and is real kind of a thing right but I question whether that's more of a a partnership of convenience of necessity than that they both share the long-term view you know that they will play off each other and I think that might be kind of the point right there that it's more about you know using each other in so far to achieve a certain goal where they may diverge when that's necessary you know I think that's a lot of what we see today and like the you know many parts of the technocratic side of it too but I agree in general

30:19I think that this is multifaceted and larger than just one event next question okay um we're gonna move on to grouping them in batches and themes now we have a couple of questions on building seven first one from a a user called phytopia it's not really a question but I'll take it building sevens collapse inside the neo-connarrative should have been the greatest architectural conundrum of all time why would architects and structural engineers attracted by this mystery why aren't building codes suspended rigorously examined and modified to prevent a repetition of this freak event I'm including this isn't really a question but it does it is a good point and it's one item thing and actually just talked about enough like how and it applies across many narratives not just 9-11 one of the things that does on the mind them is that people selling them never really act like they really believe it I mean where I update checking me I have skyscrapers for five grouping

31:21calling off and that kind of thing like they never really applied their standards I mean I would argue that architects and engineers vocally disagree with the official narrative and have for a very long time is evidenced by architects and engineers for 9-11 truth and thousands of them that are outspoken but their name on it but the reputation on it and I think that there's I don't know what the exact metric is but for every one of these academics or one of these professionals that stood up and said hey this is crap we should look into it you would probably reasonably assume that there's at least five to ten more in their immediate sphere that feel the same way but don't want to risk putting their name on it yeah I think go ahead no I thought you were done I'm sorry keep finishing no sorry go ahead well that that on on top you know that's an any conversation you know that there are people that like with COVID such a good example it's

32:23clearly relevant there are people that didn't want to get lose their job didn't want their kids to get kicked out of school but there's also the other side of it too you know people that just choose not to or choose to you know but yeah I definitely think that that's a bigger part of it is that there's a self-sensorship there's a choice to hide from it but there's also just people that just can't like we again same point with COVID-19 the people that just are some enable on you know or that they listen to the wrong people and so on you know but please continue yeah I'll just add me I'm reading that comment it says why weren't architects and structural engineers attracted by this mystery in their droves why weren't nurses and doctors right during COVID attracted it's any you can fill in the blank with any major event JFK so and in fairness like really what I think you mean this you know if this was a genuine issue then people should have been rushing to make money fixing it like I think he means like you know if if a building can really just collapse those of a fire why isn't there some architects somewhere

33:23designing some new fire from skyscraper and I think he's suggesting that nobody did die he's ever done instead it was never really an issue oh that's interesting so on the other side of it that because you know the narrative is that it happens so why aren't people then built because they know it's not true at some level like I'm in turn a level they know exactly no I I remember making this point specifically I don't know 15 years ago or something that yeah the fire code never changed I mean we have the first ever total structural steel failure of a structural steel building the first ever total failure from from ordinary office fires should completely rewrite the fire code and everything that we think we know about structural you know engineering and yet absolutely nothing changed in the code which yeah that's kind of the smoking gun man of course they don't believe it they know that it wasn't just ordinary office fires that did this but back to that same point though the first part you know but there's all these architects and engineers that know better you know they know it they saw it they said we know that's not true but they just you

34:26know we're afraid for a thousand reasons didn't want to and so but I think that the one like like with COVID the same thing with the doctors there's one doctor that speaks up the rest of them all hide from it you know I but I think there's more than we realized architects and engineers and I love and truth being an obvious example but you know there's tons of people out there that we're still screaming about it but it's like you know there's also part of the the propaganda social media side of it or just social engagement where maybe everybody did see it like I I mean right now I think up to huge part of it maybe less so going back years but right now you know it's like I think we can start to see that everybody does kind of see some of these things and it's varying but the system doesn't allow everybody to be able to see that they all see that if that makes sense you know see you wonder was it similar then you know did where they were people yelling about it but it wasn't being acknowledged that they were I think it's worth thinking about especially today but you know it's gonna get worse with more AI and technology well I that surplus background something I've always found highly fascinating about all these things and the one you can really measure with is JFK because like basically every poll of the general public done on JFK going

35:29back to basically the year happened has found less than a third of people actually believe the official story so you have this disconnect I mean what is efficiently true and what the majority of people think and and it is huge it is huge like it and I find that socially very interesting and I think that must be driven 911 as well I can't believe that's more true for light in JFK I think there's so much more publicly available evidence so much more publication of that evidence you know it became a meme but it is still true Jeff he'll doesn't melt steel beams that kind of thing like I don't believe that we are actually in a minority in that on that issue I simply don't believe it I agree with you and I think it goes to every well a lot of these topics with you know you take your pick today and I do today is more obvious but I want to say point I wonder how far back that goes you know I think I think a lot like that's an interesting point about the war on report people

36:30you look back and at the time the people didn't believe it I found that fascinating when I first read that you know it's the same thing with the 911 report you know it's like so right now it's it is the point that we've always been majority seeing through it but the system doesn't let us see that I kind of don't think that when you go back far enough but now it's certainly the case and that's work you know that's the idea of whether you know going through the same motions voting and all that stuff different conversation but you know the Iran war is real I personally think you look around and it's the majority of people whether that's 51% or 80 it's still the majority who are going I don't believe that I don't and maybe they buy the wrong story but they doubt the official one that's a important thing you know I think that's the same going back a long way I agree I think that's also been the reason to I guess fractionalize all of the different communities that have popped up around I generally asking questions about what the government's been up to

37:36and I think even within individual narratives like COVID certainly like 9-11 there's been an attempt to infiltrate these communities and throw every theory including the kitchen sink at it to get people arguing over that and at their each other's throats instead of focusing on the actual issue which was this false flag event occurred by a corrupt and illegitimate government and it's the obligation and duty of the people to do something about that rather than sit there and bicker at each other for the next 25 years I think that's a topic that should be discussed I'm thinking of JIFK for example where a lot of us behave like children you know I interviewed a guy I think I think was Mike Rothmeller he wrote a book about rfk having killed Marilyn Monroe and I'm like look you know we all talk to different people who are exploring different theories like if a kid is learning

38:39something in the classroom and they make a mistake you're not going to be like are you stupid you know that that was stupid you know they're learning and I remember at least a piece you know who I'd even ask previously for her to come on my podcast when someone shared my posts she blocked immediately like how dare you question that rfk killed could have possibly killed Marilyn Monroe which goes back to what James was saying like I don't think there are any sacred cows I don't think none of these guys are really good guys right everyone's they've all got skeletons and they're plons it and yeah and today and you know I when I talked to Corey Roe who said they there were these what are these these subversives at the loose change events these guys that would just come on that had handlers that people were talking about lizard people and you know all this wacky stuff and today Laurel Canyon 2.0 as Steve calls it is just chock full of this stuff and it's just kind of like for me it's arguing that the Titanic is sinking and we're rearranging the deck chairs was it was it you know demolition was it space lasers it took down the towers I had a

39:45guest once on tnc radio who was a pagan who I didn't know he was going to say this lie if you said the earth opened up and swallow the towers and it's just like look we've got a hard enough time like sissifus pushing the holder up to get the masses to understand that this was state terrorism you know you're not really why make it harder it's not what we all saw we all saw the ground just opened up and they just fell that this collapsed into our are you that much of an asogenous James Corbett that you were unwilling to believe that mother gaiah sought revenge against capitalism and swallowed up the how do I know how I hope it involves reducing my carbon footprint in some way it's muds a lot of sage you just got to burn a lot of sage I think and not around us but I think it involves wearing yoga pants yeah but back to the the point though I think that's important to

40:45bring it back to the division part of it you know like Steve brought back to her warrior's point it's it planes no planes virus no virus it happens every single time and it's about deliberately well I mean I'm not going to speak to people's intention but I believe it's about dividing and you know as always we should ask these questions but like like the original point but it's about picking something that causes people who are otherwise cohesive to see themselves as at odds with each other you know the people are like the government 9-11 except you think no planes then get out of here you know and that's like like Ryan Dawson was like attacking people viciously for having the wrong opinion around that and you know I'm not to get into a personal point but I interviewed him about this and a lot of things a long time ago because he did's good work on some you know plenty of things and ultimately we had that conversation that immediately got tense and I was simply just going well maybe you know like possibly and I think that's so important to see because people could work together and change this you know virus was an obvious one too and we should ask these questions but look at how much it divides people and it's like I mentioned I like Lahaina was something where it comes up then there's a lot of weird stories like the direct energy directorate and all

41:48these things that came up around that story and I thought it was worth investigating this point but it caused people to ignore like immediate crimes that were being committed and I think that's the the new media's main job is really to get us diving in to miss the forest for the trees and so the criminal activity just flies by and they're like well what about the secret agenda around it all you know which we should consider but don't miss the things happening in front of you and I think that's happening today too and we'll next I think I'm not to like see the conversation too much but I think we're going to end up re-trending this so this ground when we get some types of questions so I'm just going to wait I'm just going to take the show up um we have a second WTC 7 building question rather um was WTC 7 supposed to be hit by an aeroplane and is that why people try to memory all of it they asked to say by a plane is that what they said? no it was supposed to be hit so there was one theory that maybe 93 or some other plane was

42:52supposed to hit WTC 7 that's why it was going to go down but nothing hit so they just had to go with the demolition anyway seems like it makes sense it's possible it's possible but do we have anything other than speculation to go on here? no not really and what real I suppose you can argue with that oh my god but I've become a two-known chomsky like we can't really ask that question it doesn't really matter although I would be interested in logistics or because the WTC 7 is much much shorter it's half the size and trying to hit it with a plane presumably when those two were built it's half the size yeah I mean it seems small in comparison to the twin towers but in comparison to absolutely any other building it would have been the tallest building in almost any city in the world except but hitting it when the two when those two other buildings are still there would be tricky well okay presumably yeah exactly but it is I mean it is an interesting question

43:58why 520 why you know why did it happen so it late in the afternoon is the separate event like if they if they planned it out that meticulously why yeah why leave that weird I mean because people would still be talking about it but if what's on the news all day and has been for the last eight hours is nothing but the twin towers and this that and that they're in everything about the clean when building seven goes down it's almost to an aside and by the time the next day rolls around and the news cycle is back on 520 you've already got the five o'clock news on if they cut to it it'll be like oh that was the one that was on fire yeah that's the tragic but okay back to look we've got firefighters covered in building rubble let's that's the money shot that's the shot we want go to that one except let's presume to say

45:00go ahead we'll probably get us that's presumed if I were the perpetrator I would have timed it for when the towers were going down exactly would you want to make it would have covered it up or made more sense to people you know into which it would just put at the same time you pull building to claim building to knock it over who's gonna say you're wrong I mean if I feel like the reason building seven sticks is because it must have in some way been intended to go differently whatever the actual plan was I feel like something was wrong I mean because you also have caused the BBC watching it failed before so clearly it was supposed to be gone already by then so something went wrong it was one of the holographic planes supposed to care them off WTC to and fall into building seven causing the collapse that one being facetious I am but you know see events like this I mean it's this is a massive multi-nation multifaceted event like there's any number of variables or you know you could take silverstein and like you know

46:03did he decide to do that for his own benefit you know what I mean like who knows like you know we know that he benefited from the the the conversation was that something he did of his own accord knowing what was happening because he got an insight just you know who knows you could guess the point is they'll back to the original ideas it and this is not like the known to the Chomsky point it's that you know asking like as though we know that it collapsed we know that it wasn't it by a plane we know that there wasn't fire you know so whether or not it was supposed to be or it's kind it is or ultimately irrelevant because it's not even going back to whether or not it's wire how we know it's the way I would believe I do think we know wire how but the point would be that that would be an additional part of the wire how not that it changes necessarily you know what I mean so it's an interesting thought but it actually kind of I think deviates from all the stuff we can prove in a way you know it's it's just a theory about what could have happened and why they you know why it went that way I'm my personal feeling on you know any number of these things is that this thing was a an event that kind of got out of control for some reason you know any number of things you're dealing with human beings and you know we know that the events of the plane for example I doubt that

47:06was how that was supposed to go down who knows it could have been you know the people that jumped up and did something you know so think things evolved and changed and they have you know that maybe was why and they just decided to pull it because you know anyway all the different theories you could throw in there I think they're also just so brazen these ruthless ruthless elites that I agree they don't care like with COVID you know I use the recent examples that are first to mind here in Mexico where Claudia Shambamovsky comes out and says you know what she just said yesterday yeah we're getting rid of cash you know just because for your safety right we're suspending your phones you know my wife's got a scam caller from Massachusetts I'm like oh yeah that's great the phone registry is working here in Mexico where the scammers are calling in for Massachusetts like the lies are so they like it they're so emperor has no clothes and and they don't care we're just gonna pull building seven we don't and you know that that was another time where we didn't have the cell phones 2001 like like today right where everyone could uh kill him it that was another thing I don't know they might if they did it again they might do it differently

48:09differently although now with the AI stuff who would know anymore what is real but I think they're just so brazen they've gotten away with so much um yeah so but going to the AI things to think about building seven there I've been seeing this AI clip of building seven go down and it is totally wrong it is like people were sharing it saying of AI building seven is unexplained but it's not a controlled demolition they make it look like it fell down and it's so ascidious that I mean I'll get a getting off topic but I think I find that to be one of the things we really should be concerned about right now is new videos and new photos suddenly emerging about nine or whatever the show oh actually here's CCTV first we didn't know after hi-jack is getting on flight whatever um it's a totally totally tangential point but it is something we should be concerned about I mean I mean it writes in a lot of ways to the larger agenda you know that we all think that this is connected to but you know I think that's

49:11a lot of this and another part of it is a lot of these accounts sort of sharing old content as if it's new but I think it's a whole thing going on on the platforms right now where it's I don't know if it's just noise and deflection kind of think that half the time or people just trying to grip and make money you know but I think that it's very prominent right now and I think that's alarming more than anything is AI fake content to get new people who might be interested in this you know off on some tangent and down some weird rabbit hole to miss the bigger picture that's what I would guess that's probably about or give them false data points within it so people ignore what they're saying or you know any number of variables and then this is another issue but I fear like if things just keep going on this trajectory in the next generation or two literally like in 1984 they will have memory holds everything like you mentioned the videos will be different um of that what happened in 9-11 and forward the next generation or two they won't have access to the stuff we had access to so that even if they wanted to they couldn't piece together what really happened so they'll just

50:12lift their hands up and say uh well I'm sure everyone here is nice and sensible and has a hard drive dedicated to kind of thing that you are pretty sure will be hard to come by seeing a roommate of PDFs of Oolioskills they're going to pretend they didn't write and downloads for all the videos they can pretend they're not happened I'll use this moment real quickly kids to point out that we're going to be having I believe our next panel is planned for to the i-a-a-i panel and that's one of the things we're going to get into is the discussion that you were just having I just want to point that out so look forward to that coming up the next couple of weeks um and I think we get any more questions about WTT7 or shall we move on to the next next little section three three questions sort of summatically linked I'll read all three of the amount before I take any comments shadow was asked do we accept without question the planes flew into the towers that were ported and that approximately 3000 people died as a result and Hannah asked similarly how many people died that day and is there any truth to the claims

51:13that people have been told not to turn up the work and Amanda were asked if the planes didn't hit the towers then what could have happened to the planes do they subscribe do you do you just depend on subscribers than a plane's theory um let's take one of those there's no one of them yeah exactly but I want to just like get one out there oh okay that's yeah um that's it that's those three so can you read the first read the first one again and we'll go ahead how are do we accept without question the planes flew into the towers as reported and that approximately 3000 people died as a result my off the cuff view is that um yeah I think planes hit the towers but they would have likely have been remote controlled because again we've got evidence operation northwards way back in 63 where they're talking about remote controlling airplanes because we all know that was difficult for a human pilot to do so um but again that would have done nothing to the structure right something else took the structure structure

52:15down and I have no problem believing that you know 3000 people died um in New York that day and then you know obviously there were studies you know the global war and terror that was the result uh you know millions of innocent irakis millions of innocent irakis died as a result later so yeah I don't I personally don't have columns with that issue if you want to call call me controlled opposition for believing that be my guess I just say it's a misleading or a leading question because do you accept without question is obviously waiting the dice right no I don't accept anything without question but there's plenty of evidence of airplanes um what airplanes good question where they swapped out where they drones you know remote controlled yes all options on the table but um 52 or whatever it is different views of the second plane uh approaching hitting the building you know sure video evidence can be manipulated I don't think all 52 videos that we have of it was manipulated

53:19in the days after those events at the time I mean sure is it possible yeah again am I controlled opposition yeah sure what a promicate keeping chill and uh i'm not sure if i'm held but I just yeah I tend to think yes there was a plane planes that hit the towers and the planes did not ring down the towers so anyway yeah I oh go ahead no please go ahead see I'll go last I was going to say even if you want to subscribe to uh direct energy weapons or something like that I I would I would still tend to tend to go along with planes were used as the main mechanism to bring down those buildings no oh thanks though but I do think that they're if you're going to go through a ritual sacrifice of that extent there's got to be lasting mental trauma that rolls out

54:22collectively over not in this case not just the national sphere but the international community and and so you have to have lasting images burned into your psyche in order to do that and I'm not saying that if there hadn't been you know Jewish space lasers that that wouldn't be that image not I'm not saying that that wouldn't have been maybe a little bit too early to play that card so you've got to move forward with something that everybody recognizes and and something that you know people are going to be able to communicate and talk about in a manner that doesn't get them looked at like we get looked at when we talk about stuff this has to be a a mass population trauma event now that again that doesn't mean that that's the sole means of damage done to the buildings I would argue that's not the case um but and the further the remote control point like there's

55:24video of them landing air remote controlled airplanes on to aircraft carriers moving aircraft carriers going as far back as 82 up certainly through the 90s where various different militaries are showcasing their ability to remote control fly planes yeah I think that's important to point out like so it's possible clearly you know I think the bigger point is in a general sense there's a lot of people in any category who were telling you they know for a you know certainty that this is the thing and anybody else is the wrong you know I even have that written under every show that I put out anybody out there telling you they know for an absolute certainty is probably misleading you for one reason or another you know and so the the group we're here questioning things and considering other possibilities you know so it's hard to view that as somehow manipulative right so but people the ones that try to attack you for being are the ones that think you're trying to like not you know hide a certain opinion nobody here is doing that right there these are all ideas that were considering it so the bigger point I think is that it's I think you can clearly prove that

56:25there was like the point that you've all made is that the point I the plane did not bring the building down so in first and foremost it's obvious that there was control demolition you could point to the Alaska study architects and engineering I mean it's scientifically proven in my opinion so then where their planes involved secondarily from that because I think the question's kind of getting it the cutting at the cutting at the the point of whether the plane brought the building down and I don't know if that's the point of it all but if I so the answer is no in that regard the planes being involved I think again there's obvious examples of planes being involved I guess the question is on what degree do you think that happened you know like people that want to believe the planes weren't real I mean I've seen the videos of the planes forward and back and how it looks funny on the you know at the end of the day maybe that maybe you're right about that but there were still planes and and you know material that was found so it's like the end of the day I think planes were involved that would be my answer but I think it's irrelevant in the sense of whether or not the building was brought down by the plane because I think that's proven that that's not the case you know and I think it goes to like the bigger idea of other things that were involved multi-pass

57:25and agenda's like Steve points out you know consider the direct energy discussion we had an article why a long time back on T-Lev about nuclear 9-11 the thermite dust and all this not that it was absolute or not but just considering the evidence what does this show what do people think about that you know and it's ask those questions and if you can't prove it then go back to what you can prove go back to the evidence that's there that we can absolutely look at and I think that makes you know the answer pretty clear but I don't think every single facet of this story is clear or likely ever be completely flushed out like JFK for Cryout that like that's kind of by design you know but I think it's an important question because it comes down like it goes back to that plane's no planes conversation and if somebody thinks there were and you don't think that they if you think there were planes and they think there weren't make sure you recognize that you both I would argue believe the government was lying to you and find solidarity there as opposed to attacking each other and I would also add the it'd be much much much more difficult to prove that a plane hit the Pentagon that's a totally

58:27different question where so far I've yet to see any video or photographic evidence of a plane actually approaching a plane hitting it there being anything other than totally not blown apart bits of plane as debris that people were loading up a little bit way too late after the fact as far as cleanup would go I don't think it's a panic on yeah yeah I think there's much more evidence to suggest it was a missile rather than frequent random random Arab executed 330 degree spiral turn that inches above the ground directly into the offices that they needed blown up immediately I would just say the way the people are asleep I know take out us right in the paper

59:30dammit what do you call it? sorry good kid wasn't it rummed to fill the accident be called in a missile you said a missile at the Pentagon or something like that in one of his spotty scenario press conferences maybe well that's gonna say whether whether it's a missile or not which I I agree I mean there's there's there's the video that came out that appears to show something like that but you know they think that could be the lie itself but it's clear like you can look at the angle like the you know the circumstantial evidence the way that that building was when there's just it's there's no way a plane hit that spot I'm just that's in that's that's kind of like that self evident kind of stuff we're dealing with today it's like I'm not going to say I know for a fact what but clearly that's not what you know just I mean what what do you guys think about that since that wasn't the question I'm curious what James and others think about the Pentagon side of it the planes because that is a different question I'm I'm agnostic I think it could have been a plane

1:00:30and I think was it Wayne Costa I can't remember made a like an hour long presentation point by point going through all the different evidence of why he thinks it was a plane I don't rule it out yeah it could have been a point and to me the interesting part is that from pretty much from day one the first thing that people questioned was not WT-C7 it was the Pentagon and it's the spot the Boeing and all of that it was immediately immediately all the the opposition attention was on the Pentagon it's always felt like that kind of the honeypot of 9-11 to me to divide people I'm our no-planer on Pentagon but like James says I don't know maybe evidence maybe maybe you're wrong if it was a plane would that would that mean oh okay 9-11 was real no of course 9-11 was in its eye drop if it wasn't a plane would that mean 9-11 is no so what is the point of spending all of our time arguing about that and this goes back and even for me to the earlier point with a lot

1:01:33of these questions is and you can apply it to COVID or JFK like when I tell to tell people about when I talk about COVID like summing it up in a nutshell it was manufactured it was planned to bring about you know global Elgocrystic technopathy one world government 9-11 as well was manufactured to bring in this not just domestic but global police state because a lot of the stuff that 9-11 initiated the Patriot Act the surveillance systems the US is now paying other countries exporting it country by country like with Ecuador the D.A. so the D.A. and all that it came about because of 9-11 they're now all throughout Latin America giving the biometric hardware readers to Ecuador to Peru and giving them money and the software and saying take the biometrics of all of your people but the only you know the carrot here is

1:02:35you're going to have to share those biometrics with us so it's like the big picture so I and at the end of the day with the big picture in mind I find these questions are not as relevant it's state that with people have the understand of the manufactured plan falsely operation to bring about this control system meanwhile we're we're bickering over was it planes or no planes holograms you know it's just kind of like well you know I mean I'll go back to the main point though that's again I think we all agreed that's how these things are used but I do want to reiterate though that I always argue that it's not like it's not look into it question it just don't let that stop you from acknowledging what you can prove and pretending that you know for a fact like even you know even if things are well you know you have all the evidence in front of you you can still stand back and go well kind of missing something yes I could you know that's just that's just basic you know intelligence in my opinion you know so I think these things are like with my opinion like I said is that it looks pretty clear that the way the building was I find it near impossible that a plane could

1:03:35hit that maybe it hit a different spot they got lied to about it you know it's like the point is that it could be and that's it's the important way to cover handle all these conversations and especially as we get into the weird AI you know realm because you're going to question everything is going to be an absolute I think it is now but it's going to be I mean we're we're seeing these videos come up right now that I can't tell the difference it's going to be very dangerous if this leads on to Hannah's question which was how many people died that day is there any truth to the claims that people have been told not to turn up for work I'm actually don't know if there's any truth to that I know I've heard it a lot I've heard anecdotally you know X was told not to go to work that day why I was told not to get on that plane and I have no idea how that reflects on the actual casualty number I know there wouldn't be a policy to protect as many lives as possible I think that would be counterproductive and it probably wouldn't occur to the machinery to do that but that information bleeds down doesn't it and you know people might have been got hints might

1:04:40have thought might there might have been things in the window I don't want my friend X to be in that building tomorrow and I'm content exactly why and I don't know exactly why so maybe I could see through a process that was most is almost there are fewer people that would be normally without being a deliverer policy yeah I've had many people a number of people I've you know Richard Grove I think in others have talked about how you know people were told not to come but that would have been a small minority you know connected to you know the elite corporates but why is it any problem to think that three again three thousand people to die yeah yeah you haven't heard of the vixen idea so that all of the all of the people who supposedly died were not real and this was this was even from way before the AI deep fake conversation but they were basically saying it was all deep fake not real people etc which yeah okay that there may have been vixens in all of this victim simulated

1:05:43victims sure they might have implanted from people but that that nobody died that day is that is what we're going with just I don't know just seems like lunacy specifically on the on the people being warned story I think the one that was certainly making the rounds in the early days I don't know people that remember it anymore the old-ego messenger messenger service which was some kind of Israeli run messenger service that warned people not to go to the towers that morning and if people want to pull up E 0 6 0 9 2 9 4 2 9 5 4 0 8 2 1 E 5 9 4 2 5 5 DDB 4 9 5 D5 8 4 5 F 5 2 8 2 9 underscore Q 152772 underscore R 4044 7 2 underscore D 164 not 7 9 5 7 9 dot PDF which has been very conveniently named for everyone they will find the FBI report that was filed on 9 13 2001 about this O2Go provides an instant messaging service the service is provided free of charge and approximately 5

1:06:47million people are listed as users on September 11 2001 approximately two hours prior to the bombing at the World Trade Center O2Go member of the technical team located in Israel received an instant message that stated something to the effect wait two hours and we will kill you sons of pigs boom blank redacted did not think anything of the message at the time later in the day after the World Trade Center had been bombed a few members of the technical team were discussing the events and blah blah blah blah so there is an FBI paper trail about this I know it was reported at the time supposedly the the Jews were warned not to go to the towers that morning. That's it and see that's an interesting one that that's there's a lot of those kind of conversations about the you know Jewish population that worked there or you know and I think there's some level of evidence to the evidence that but what I found more interesting were the examples of I believe was it Jerome Howard I'm trying I was trying to get the name and make sure I got it accurate but there's a there's a documented example of somebody who knowingly like that in office didn't end up going that day we know that what was it silverstein was the one

1:07:48that said he had a dentist appointment you know they're Howard Nutlick oh I got to take my kid to school I went to yeah so there's numerous examples of people that just in an anomalous sense didn't go that day when they always do but outside of that one James I don't know of any specifics that were that I can prove personal that were warned but I've heard a lot of the narratives around that so I but that there's at least one or others like that we mentioned I think that's valuable I think that speaks more you know just enough I think that it happened did anybody else have any others you know what because I try to think of the other ones that even just the ones we can't prove weren't there other narratives going around I can't remember there was one there are a few guys who's the mayor of San Francisco right yeah yeah he was told will it brown will it brown will it be oh there's a hand that could be a ashcraft was specifically not flying commercial for a couple months beforehand oh that's I he was on his way to drape a blanket over another statues titty or something like that

1:08:54I'll take your word on that one yeah you you remember that right when he had the statue of this is something that John Ashcroff did he had the statue of justice covered up because one of the statues breasts was exposed and he thought that for a statue that was a little bit too lured in actually he was his his boy was Alberto I do not recall Gonzalez fun times I've heard there was like a surprising number of cancellations on the the planes that who that day was specifically the one from LA but I have no idea it was drawing uh what's it mean not Seth Seth McFarlane yeah family guy Seth McFarlane there was there were a few more two well here here's I found the the citation that I was looking for this is Whitney's article a killer enterprise and basically says that on that fateful day Howard was no longer with the

1:09:59orc office of emergency management having left in February 2000 however in 2001 he still worked at the world trade center complex running security for the building as managing director of cruel ink informally known as the CIA of Wall Street Crull is allegedly alleged to be an actual front for CIA basically says the Howard should have been at his office at the world trade center world excuse excuse me world trade center on that morning he did not show up for work that day and instead made TV appearances where he claimed that'll summon laden have been responsible for the attacks just hours after the tyrants had collapsed um you know basically goes on to make the point that on the day Howard had top bush administration officials start taking uh Annabelle Xipro to prevent infection like all these things that were happening around it all before the event it's worth reading it's many you know it's a lot of those kind of examples but I thought there was at least one more of a group that was warned not to go as opposed to like the indications they knew but I can't marky mark wallberg didn't get on his scheduled flight he was supposed to be on one of those planes hmm

1:11:06well this wraps up the the planes no planes bodies no bodies question and it is an interesting one from the no plane perspective if the planes didn't hit the towers then what did happen to them I mean this has been a question that has been bothering me since I was a teenager first I'd have watched in these things that the I think it was an early edition of loose change that went into the idea they landed and took all the passengers off and then took the planes off again I don't remember where I saw it but I mean it's a hell of a logistic thing to do and it seems tricky and potentially pointless to your planning or killing 3000 people anyway well in regard to what happened I think it's controlled demolition I think that's I mean of all the things we know I the study the Alaska study from an architect's and engineers 9-11 truth I think is very well done I've read you know sorry get are you asking what happened to the plane or what happened to the building yeah no the question was yes the planes didn't hit the towers then we have these four planes that disappeared oh I'm sorry I understood okay the plane

1:12:10they're all on the same island with the real Galein Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and so exactly right no yeah you know honestly it really does seem interesting to me that people construct these elaborate things of no okay so there's hundreds of people who were you know all in on this and they all got you know they're victim identities changed and now they're living on some island somewhere and any one of them could come out at any time and be like hey look it's me Jeffrey Epstein I'm still alive guys or whatever as opposed to what seems to me more likely if you are a conspirator who has no problem killing 3,000 people in the day and millions as a result of the you know ongoing wars etc but no you'd quibble and you'd go you know ham and hawn you wouldn't want to kill anyone who was involved in you would feel any one who might spill the beans on a plot like that so I I it always boggles my mind that people think that there's hundreds of people that were just shepherded off somewhere if you read the northwards documents and it's been a few years since I have read them but I believe that the plan was to have

1:13:16essentially essentially fake personas on the planes that would get boarded that would again then get swapped out for the remote control planes that would then be blown up and so you know are all of the met passenger manifests of all of the 9-11 flights just CIA fake profiles of you know people who weren't really there etc I don't know I'm I'm and I'm I just don't think that I didn't read I wouldn't say that that's where my level of credibility like oh they wouldn't go that far they wouldn't kill people on the planes of course they would why not well there's two there's two points to make on the northward side of it let's remember that it's a it's a it's a plan first of all that we who knows if that's what we're being shown today is actually what the original plan was and second that it was a plan that was put forward if that's accurate to you know to the the government you know to the inner circle and so you can argue that that was what want you know that it would evolve beyond what was stated like the idea being you're going to present an idea basically let's kid you know conduct a false flag inside the

1:14:19United States and so you know maybe they're like made soft playing it if you get my point you know I'm just pointing out that that idea that they would swap them out I find hard to believe even at that point like I just don't see them being the kind of people that would worry about their lives sorry from Jay that's always been my reading that is a document presented by a military that doesn't give a shit about killing people two politicians that very much don't want to look that they don't give a shit about killing people right so you're like don't worry all those are really in that kind of it's going to look like they died but they didn't really just sign this document it will be fine and then senators never have to think about it again um I think yeah there is an awful lot of like close but don't I have to use the phrase isn't it yeah I also think we we have to remember that the elites are competent in carrying out out a lot of this madness but they're also not godlike and perfect in in all of the things that they do so again a lot of the people in all media who like James was saying instruct these conspiracies

1:15:21that are way more elaborate in their minds we have to think again who are we we're dealing with we're dealing with humans and things go wrong and you know I remember reading about the the russian false flag operation of 1999 the Moscow apartment bombings where the FSB or whoever they were in the apartment building in the basement rigging up the explosives and like people just saw I'm doing it you know this kind of stuff happens all the time so that's why I think we have to not go off the deep end here you know what I'm playing with the advocate I'm gonna go off the deep end all holograms no one died that day no one has died since nothing has ever happened on the planet earth um basically yeah no I'm going totally all in James you seem frustrated this isn't happening I am frustrated 25 fucking years of this and we are still talking and arguing

1:16:29with each other about this crap yes I am frustrated and whatever it's it really does feel like all of the work that myself and other people have been doing on this totally for nothing because it's all just entertainment it's just popcorn for people to consume while they're watching this as if this is entertainment and you know what no this isn't your pet theory this is about people who actually died and we still argue about this crap yes it does frustrate me to be honest I agree I agree you know I just I think it's part of the thing today like I don't know how I read it I don't know whether that is what's happening and everybody is being taken by this right now or that's what the system wants us to feel because I think we always know that there I mean there's clearly part of that who knows what the percentage is but I think there's always I always think about this they they learned helplessness they want us to feel like we're not effective they want us to

1:17:30feel like we don't get through you know and I think at my point's always been that even if that's the case I think we'd all be fighting anyway you know but I I share your frustration James because it feels like I mean I can't even imagine you know if you're doing this much longer to see the the the the ideas get spun around and manipulated but something in me and I know this is just maybe just at least with the conversations right now maybe different for the you know 9-11s and different stories from before but I feel like it's it's different than what we're being shown I feel almost like a lot of this is designed to make us feel frustrated so we you know I don't know I just I think it's worth considering that because I think I know your work affects people I know it of wakes people up to these things and I'd like to believe that most people are willing to do that and I think like as always like I always point to what Kate and Jonzo said they wouldn't pretend to be good if we didn't in a majority sense want good from them and I may seem simple but I mean really think about that and I think that's what most people I think want these we're all just being played and twisted and manipulated you know and I'd like that hope that we're actually seeing some change-app right now but you know that's my lofty point on that but I I share your frustration.

1:18:40Thanks question. Thanks question. Yeah no I mean this is kind of what I would before we went on this kind of what I was getting at when I was talking about conspiracy has become the new culture wars and the whole point is to make sure that we're all quibbling and that you've you've tried to like drill down so hard on the ludicrous that you miss the obvious and you are never ever ever talking about what's actually happening and the things that stemmed from it and you know we're in real time every day there are people dealing with the consequences of all of the different agencies that were created through the Patriot Act as a direct result of this and global war on terror and all that kind of stuff but no but no let's make sure that we get in a boxing match over direct energy weapons or holograms or this that and the third yeah I share the frustration. It's being applied right now to all the stories

1:19:43we're being dealing with you know. So I'm taking it then you know it's going to be a big fan of a direct energy weapons question should I. I love direct energy weapons question. I mean it's the same you know they're I mean I think it's going to end up in the same route you know like I don't think there's that well go ahead let's let's get into it. Okay well I mean it's a simple enough question where does the panel stand vis-a-vis the sunlight control demolition versus direct energy weapons question. Look you know I invited Judy Wood on my podcast to explore it like many of us like okay I'm happy to explore it no response whatever you know and like again it could be possible but I use the more recent example of COVID it like you know what everyone's got their version of what happened but again at the end of the day people were killed through the government protocols right and injections and this brought about the mass digitalization of society digital concentration camp

1:20:49and again it's just about whether it was due whether it was nanothermite we ended up with the same destination you know and so I'm open to it but I don't think it's like a game changer it's like okay it was a due now what yeah we're still to glory in the Gulag together still okay I'm sorry I'm gonna cut this question short because I've just seen the message from James that sadly he has to go and there is a question I think he would enjoy asking and I think people would enjoy hearing before he has to leave and it's a more positive question is there one book published that a regular person can read and refer others to double counter the terrorist narrative that is one book that compiles and summarizes all the potent evidence it's like structural missiles etc the definitive work basically what would you consider the definitive work uh personally I hate this question and it comes up in so many different it comes up in so many different fields like what's the one book that I need to

1:21:50understand technocracy what's the one book to understand the new world if you're looking for the one book you're gonna have a bad time because unfortunately it doesn't work like that I can point people to my questions for Corbett that I did after my false flags documentary um in which I referenced I don't know at least a dozen books or something that were at least important in that research maybe a couple dozen um personally I like um you know what through it the one book the one and only book uh Philip Sheen and the commission has got some of the juicy insights this is for example how we know about Zellik how uh talking about the doing the outline with earnest made before the commission even met with the chapter headings and subheadings and sub sub subheadings etc that's where that little nugget comes from along with other nuggets about the commission wrote to 9-11 by Peter Dale Scott has lots of juicy information about terrorists and um and boogie men and uh allie mohamid and other interesting aspects of that he also has an interesting chapter in here about um different aspects of

1:22:54the deep state within the the pentagon so fighting with the state department in the Carter years etc and how that shaped foreign policy etc good stuff uh dollars for terror by lambevriere is where some of the juicier interesting nuggets about osama been lawden and how he was being protected by British intelligence in the 90s comes from interesting fact about this book for some reason there was some weird printing error so it actually starts at the back of the book and then like and then the front of the book is printed at the back anyway the joys of amazon printing triple cross um speaking of allie mohamid um the craziest to me this is the craziest part of the whole al-Qaeda narrative if you want to debunk the al-Qaeda narrative look into allie mohamid the amazing triple agent who was not only osama been lawden's personal bodyguard but was also an sci-a-8 uh informant who became an fbi informant who trained special forces at fort brag as he was on the weekends training the wcc-93 guys as he was flying back um to osama to help him move to afghanistan etc and then he

1:23:59disappeared in 98 during the uh wcc-93 trials and was never seen or heard from again essentially crazy story obviously the 2001 anthrax deception by green um queen obviously an important book people can see my interview with green mcqueen about that book may he rest in peace disconnecting the dots by kevin fenton excellent excellent excellent book about the al-Hazmi al-Maidar shenanigans and what that might or may may not have been pointing to anyway um you might call it part of the limited hangout of 9-11 but i think it's important to at least destroy the limited hangout that they've created on a similar vein in a similar vein the watchdogs don't bark by duffy and novoselsky that's where we get for example they took that uh interview with Richard Clark where he was positing yes the cia was deliberately lying to him and withholding information from him about al-Hazmi al-Maidar the information that could have stopped 9-11 i tells you um i think duffy and

1:25:00novoselsky have a lot of debt to kevin fenton really so i would prefer that people read the fenton book uh fools are in uh scott horden obviously people probably know about that one the 9-11 investigation volume one by jamburger it's just a collection of literal like documents like fbi 302s and other documents um like the founding documents of al-kaita etc um you know it's official story stuff but there's some interesting stuff in there we're not done um eluminatower by uh loren's right uh mainstream and going to uh buttress the official story in various places but does have some interesting nuggets about the al-kaita story and what's going on behind that we don't preporata fentaz migoria uh to be very frank i'm not sure that this was a game-changing 9-11 book for me but his work on Hitler conjuring Hitler extremely important people should read his book on that um obviously 9-11 revisited david re-griffin rest in peace and uh i got one more

1:26:08book but anyway no i can't give you one book i can give you dozens of books and that in fact that's just my physical books let alone all my digital books so this is only scratching the surface questions should be what books should get you started and that goes for any topic out there right because it's you know it's as if you go like what's the one answer to this one question it's near never that that's go to the new media they've got plenty of one answers for every topic you ask them right now you know i don't want to sound like a broken record James but it's the truth and i think that what i would recommend to people to get you started and it's it like for example the only reason i know about the character you mentioned and the triple cross is because of your documentary and the reality of the alkytta documentary the you know the the three parts it's it's well done and it's important to see because it's evidence it's not hyperbole in theory and you know and there there's definitely consideration of how things connect but it's facts that you can as i've said so many times when i show you can nail it to the wall and i think if people watch that all the way through you won't be confused about this there's still things that we can talk about and define and

1:27:12question but it's pretty damn clear or you know nine eleven suspects is another very important one again these are all stemming from the work you just showed you you know but it's important to see dive into it for yourself look at the source material i'll just add maybe when when i get the question of what's the one book i kind of look at that with this dainn like i feel like you're not taking this seriously this journey and search for truth um if if you're serious you're going to want to buy a pile of books like i recall my experience uh you know loose change in the two thousand two thousand five i went off to peacecore mongolia as soon as i came back um i was just doing some whatever jobs and i spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on books from amazon in 2007 and eight and just reading like a maniac and i'm like you know that's how you have to approach and i what's this one it's like fast food you know big Donald liqueur well what's the one book no it's it's a lifelong

1:28:18journey i think that's the way to put it we're still evolving we're still learning yeah there's just there's not a one one stop for any of this for any of this whether it's 9-11 or that anything any core truth is going to take a lot to wade through before you can get and i don't think that we'll get to the core truth on 9-11 i think we've discovered you know fundamental facts and i think there's a lot more that we know 25 years in than we did you know even five years in but it's one of those things where if you can prove that you're being lied to the depths at which you're being lied to then are going to become infinitely harder to actually find physical damnable evidence for without being too glib this one book you can read that really really does crush the official narrative it is the official narrative itself i mean you want to see what they say

1:29:19happen it will discredit itself right yeah break out the nist report that's funny i've never written like that that's an 11-12-in-1 edition report it should have been on your shelf actually but anyway yeah read the 9-11-in-1 edition report honestly people who want to destroy the official story should at least know the official story and really understand what they're arguing and what where they're getting their information from i don't know with that said i understand we have to lose james now i will be back in the future but uh yeah for today i've got to get going anyway guys thank you for this um keep doing what all of you are doing individually it does make a difference it can be frustrating at times but anyway we got to keep doing it and roll on the rock up the hill and trusting that truth and justice will win out in the end as it always does in the long run as frustrating as it may take to get there anyway keep on doing what you're doing guys thanks james take care see you man it's a testament to where we are you know

1:30:28i think that's part of it i think it's i think the system is trying to put you know to help make like like with kovid 19 the make you feel alone and and law you know like that i think that's what it's all about is to make us feel like we're not connecting with people and i think you know why because we are more than ever that's what i believe and it does get frustrating you know with comments and interacting with listeners you know and then you don't know these comments who are fed bots and who aren't right right you know like i just just slightly off topic but i learned the other day patriot platform you know we got patriot front feds in the us airstrip one you know get out there you got this patriot platform now in the uk of mast um patriots as if for for for reportedly you sign up on the website and you give all of your details and your address i'm like oh well like if you can't figure out that's a fed those are feds at this point and then i posted a comment on that on x immediately i get someone who doesn't follow my account

1:31:34saying stop fed coping with the patriot front and i'm well you're a fed up but you know you you know it's just kind of like but they you know they're good at what they do the intelligence services so you know that they they they do kind of grind us down and some days i'm like i don't really care to do this anymore i i'm i'd rather get some menial job and enjoy life but i'm still here i'm still here i hope you keep doing it brother yeah that's the thing that's why it's so hard because i think we we can all agree that his work is powerful and impacting a lot of people at this very moment you know it's just you gotta keep fighting man yeah it's important i i i was hoping we'd get into some some conversation of the larger sort of uh you know both actually two like the the future and where it goes but also the you know just the the elephant in the room if you will that's that's the point of the end oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i don't know i wasn't that wasn't going to be originally that was a wrap up question but

1:32:35james had to go so i thought okay i got it and we have to unfortunately we now have to return to the dw question we'll just quickly i before we hear the comments saying oh people are to dw's and immediately change the subject so before we get too far away from it though somebody's got to go back and clip out those delicious corbid f-bombs we gotta we gotta have that sound right somebody also said the chat they have to clip out the the him reading off that ridiculously long but what's next in the list oh no go we're going back to do's yeah i mean look look it's the it's not like it's not like anybody here's gonna argue that they don't exist it's not like anybody here's gonna argue that they couldn't be weaponized or haven't been weaponized deployed it's just unfortunately it's what can you prove and i've tried to get judy on too judy

1:33:40would on too and she seems to have positioned herself as the foremost authority on the subject she made herself unavailable which is unfortunate um but i'm certainly not going to discount it i just can't be on the shadow of without prove it i mean you just basically said exactly what i would say you know it's it's something that we can't technically you know and that's what it like simply put is there any number of points where you could argue that that could have been employed and it's like it's like the same thing with the line of conversation you know it's like it's it's obviously possible in any context yes they exist if that's still being debated i mean again fox has a news segment on it from like 10 years ago and they just recently did like a whole new thing as if it was new again you can literally prove it by the way the science is there but i just don't think you can prove that it was used that day and if somebody has evidence that shows that i would be interested in that but it goes but i get why that would be frustrating is that it's ultimately like you know let's jump into the theories over and over when we have enough evidence that shows that they should be in prison right now you know that's that's the kind of larger point

1:34:41has has anybody here actually read the book uh you said you did yeah i could have just a proof that i have read it well did tell us then what are your thoughts i i just i fundamentally disagree with quite a lot of what she says unfortunately i mean i because you know you you hear people read about it and i read it and i just don't see it there is a i mean there are some real problems i mean i i don't want to get a top full one view of it but i have some real problems with the logistics of it i have some real problems with with what i find to be it shares a lot of problems with the official story to be honest like it discounts fundamentally it basically says all the firemen that saw molten metal are wrong and they have false memories because they can't have been any molten metal according to her theory but you can't do that you can't just sweep aside dozens of my witnesses i just feel

1:35:42that's bad practice but i don't want to get into a review of the book or or no it was explosion at the you know the visible evidence and multiple you know a testimony to an explosion in the bottom of the building i don't see how you i mean i guess you could argue that that could have been the do itself but i just don't think you know there's anyway i think there's a lot of anomalies and i think all of us would say certainly possible but the evidence matters and we're not it's not you know if we can't prove it there's no reason we should be debating whether or not we i mean we can do that but if we're talking about facts today and what we think like that's the big point for me is it's like these people we know they're involved we know what they did there's criminal activity and nobody goes to jail because we're debating about whether they're playing you know it's it's it's i think by design every time yeah and i i just you know we can continue with the do stuff but i just keep coming back to the lasting effects of 9-11 the fact that we have dhs that de-platforms us uh tsa that puts us on secondary screening um you know on and on and this this global not just us but global police state that's being built out and again it's

1:36:47like we're you know they're building out the gates around us on the farm like that is what we should be we should be attempting to take those gates down and push back and again they do a good job with laurel calion you know laurel canyon 2.0 in this space yeah i got a hand at them like amazing amazing work i don't know um like how late you guys want to go out here and i've got maybe five more questions here i think you're interesting but all about round two yeah we we could go lightning round and and lightning round for us will still be 45 minutes or so i just read it on to k we have one more question before we're going to get to what i called my i i've labeled him in my nose miss something up questions which are more about the future more about impacts more about what's happening now and i have one last question before we get to that which is and i i cheated i propped an answer for this already and i will show it to you later what

1:37:49you consider to be an underrated or little known piece of evidence against the official story um and i have my own here which is it's not really underrated but it is my personal favorite it's one of my favorite little video clip i've ever seen in my life and i'm going to try and play it for you now you have almost certainly you'll see it i can't imagine you have all but i think it is under it to be hilarious unfortunately i don't know how to play a video here i've got uploaded into my um um media assets right well i'll tell you what if you want to play the one that i already have loaded up in there because it's somewhat relevant then you'll get the will the yours first is it here well i was getting this question in the nineteen in the 1990s and i said that the west really doesn't understand militant Islam so i wrote a book in 1995 and i said that if if the west doesn't wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam the next thing you'll see is the militant

1:38:52Islam is bringing down the world trade center uh crazy the the fact that he can just you know casually point to exactly what like i don't know that that exact location it's it's pretty wild and there's more discussion about whether he you know he discussed you know more specifics of locations and you know it's i you know i think my opinion is cleared everybody out there i think it's quite obvious that there was undeniably is real involvement i just want to comment on uh kit your your tweet today which speaks to this where you quote tweet um spiked again one of these like fake uh vanilla all media platforms talking about they say here's the awful truth about 11 the islamus one and you know your your your equips are to the point kit is you say the islamus didn't win 9-11 they weren't even play they weren't even playing like they had nothing to do with any 9-11 and that's not the suggest that there's not Islamist extremists extremists in every

1:39:56Catholic you know cat you know it's Jewish Christian Muslim it's just simply acknowledging that that it like the evidence does not point that that being the driving factor it just doesn't you know it's it's crazy and it's just a but on top of the fact that you can go back and look let's get into this all but the reality of where this originates from the the academic understanding of where even like suicide vests came from we're talking about msad we're talking about israel at the origin point of the majority of this that doesn't mean that there's not Muslim extremists that do it comes down to the obvious reality of how this was driven you know the king will tell the reality with false flag history you know that is what we're discussing now that doesn't prove just that one statement that this is group that did everything but it shows you an obvious involvement of using the threat of the Muslim terror to drive action and then him stating that and a thousand other data points we could get into show you this sort of proper reaction solution mindset now I think whether it was you know him doing this to make a point to the leadership you know even go back to the jfk point and remembering what corbett said as well doesn't make him a hero but you're

1:40:57simply you know there there was far out there was the you know the demon a nuclear like there's so many examples through history that israel has been driving that I'll leave it there but you know it's like to me that is very hard to miss yeah I mean I was going to say the Israelis who were interviewed on Israeli television right who said that they were there to document the event while shoes are next I'm sorry well it wouldn't play we'll come back to that we can talk more about the the dancing is really oh I'm gonna see your clip yeah are you muted or something kid no he's not getting here oh well sent go I get came here you oh we lost your mic there huh check your settings you played the video maybe you bumped something but since you mentioned Steve though that you know the that's it that's again and in the 9-11 suspects point look up dancing Israelis 9-11 suspects for corbett's documentary it's the the the the the local news report where she

1:41:58literally the woman literally watched them filming and dancing you know to your point as you said they went back and on the record admitted they were there to document two of them are recorded miss out agents like what are we talking about you know it's like it's just so crazy all right what were you there to document if it was a spontaneous event right but there's so much more to it that but I don't I don't want we can get into the weeds of each one of these I don't know we're just saying what's like the most like you know the most ridiculous thing or something like that and so I mean to me that it just on its face it is ridiculous and you know definitely did get under reported at the time I know there's many of us that do know about it but I'm not sure if it's a necessarily common thing I don't know you know it's funny you're probably I don't know who maybe you're right maybe it's not as much as I think but I would say if all of them it would be that one like it's like if for example the turning point USA or other you know they cut there's the or I was I think it was one there too but another massive sort of like Republican event where the guy comes up and

1:42:58it's like you know you heard about his railings I hear there really great dancers like just Google dancing is really it's like just to make them and everyone's like oh you know they know what he's referencing but the people on stage didn't you know there's moments like that where it's kind of like bleeding into the main stream but you know the evidence around that story is so deep you know from from the people that saw them from what they said when they went back to the connections they individually have you know the reality of what they did you know of the of the urban moving company the the secondary bridge conversation that doesn't get brought up like so many points that tied directly back to them the allegation that the actual van had that picture on the side of the building I know I you know I've seen the images but I still can't verify whether that was actually what it showed but there's so many things like this that are data points not just theories you know but I just thought of 1993 I'm forgetting the details now but the World Trade Center 7 was it attempt and 1993 and then clear connections I think it was in some of the investigations that the

1:43:59FBI had links to the Islamic perpetrator and it's kind of like were they practicing for 2001 it's kind of like 2009 swine flu pandemic and 2020 COVID you know you have 1993 World Trade Center 2001 World Trade Center right did they mean to do it in 1993 or were they just you know checking things you know more gaming or something so yeah look at look at the history of the FBI of literally manufacturing on the surface by the way in most cases these events like ones we just saw the guy that they like the woman rather they they gave the materials they drove her to the store they drove her to do and they ultimately didn't even do it they just they stop at the end they still arrest him for it like that is exactly what we're talking about if they're willing to frame somebody and drive somebody and give them the materials it just speaks to the you know modus operandes what they do you know they will create events and you could even argue at some weird broken level that they think it's like for some greater good like I think there's a level of that to be quite honest

1:45:00even within this like the 9-11 type the people that you know drive it I think are sinister it's a dark thing but they make intense others around them that it's like the threat of Muslim terrorism and if we don't do this then they're going to win and you could see how that plays you know I think that played it back or two um to circle back to like the slightly more facetious angle of the question um I don't know if you guys are aware of this I stumbled on it a few years ago I was writing it at an article about terrorism in general and it occurred to me why did like supposing you know supposing planes really did not those towers down why did those terrorists choose to knock those towers down with those planes why is what's with the target selection and as I did to look up did they ever consider flying the planes in anything else what is the official story on this and it occurred to me well what the if you were really bent on doing as much destruction as possible what you would crash a plane into is a nuclear power station right because you have fall

1:46:02out you have disrupting the power grid new nuclear power stations all up and down big heavy footprint hard to miss so I looked it up and it turns out in 2002 January 2002 George Bush claimed that power a nuclear power station was the original planned target for 9-11 they had found plans of nuclear power stations in caves in Afghanistan um and it's an article from September 2002 in the Guardian is one of my favorite articles I've ever found and which it claims that yes the original target for 9-11 attacks what they call at the time the Holy Tuesday attacks were nuclear power stations but in the alka alkaida command structure changed their minds because and this is a direct quote they didn't want things to get out of hand which I think is one of the silliest things I've ever heard anybody say and expect to be taken seriously like oh yeah obviously death to american all that but not that much around

1:47:05it like obviously we don't want to we don't get too far like superdiculous well you know what reminds me of is the I can bring up the newsweek article right now ISIS uh the the was at the defense minister of israel it tells newsweek that it ISIS apologized for attacking israel you know you remember that article and it's like what it means to like you mean the group that you keep telling us they want to kill you because of your fate you're doing like how does that even it's just it's it's i who knows why those things come out it doesn't even make sense but it's oh there's another assist one um what was it isis basically told told their suicide bombers not to bother attacking europe because of covid like that you don't want to your suicide bombers to get sick that's that's that's the tragedy waiting to happen well they they aren't traveling they might catch covid and then they wouldn't be able to go to their suicide bombing because they'd be laid up in bed with with the woofloo and they wouldn't be able to complete their mission you you like the actual

1:48:06justification for it at the time is even actually not much silliest in that it was well there's not gonna be enough people enough crowded places it's a waste of time you're not going to be able to blow up enough people so that's fair that's fair just that you know it speaks to how stupid they think we are it really does and i i think that you know in to a certain degree they're wrong my big two seven degree i mean like i had people i had people respectfully repeat that to me and absolutely mean it um i've had people in the comments and i unfortunately i don't know of their real or feds but i have people in the comments on off guard at the time saying well this has got to be serious if you and i sister taking a seriously wow right um right the idea the deeper narrative that they're willing to question certain larger stories but like you know it's it's just it's generational it really is like there it's like you know the holocaust or you know whatever it is and it's not about true or if i should about ability to be able to say

1:49:10i question that whether you're right or wrong you know why some topics are like and it's some for some it's 9-11 for some you know and it's just these weird blocks you know and for some like that's i think one of them to certain degree it's like well i says not kaita that's the boogie man i grew up with you know like that's that's real they killed people and so it's just like a wall where you can't consider the mountain of evidence that shows you that they're a proxy army for the US in his real and UK and you know western forces is the truth it's i mean it's in my opinion it is verifiable now that doesn't mean every single element i mean you can point to maham bin salman admitting that the leaders of these groups are ultimately not religious they're just using this to manipulate people and you also admit that's another statement that they have essentially lost control of these groups i scroll on the over the over the decades you know it's like it's clear that these are manipulated you know it's like so when you're talking about these attacks you're talking about isis k they're pointing to an afghanistan that didn't really take off i think that was another manipulation it's about building that lie you know some people just can't question that when you know and you even go back to we all like probably know the mougadeen afghanistan the reality of

1:50:12literally using it against russia it's just it's the same cycle we're playing through it in different ways i'm less concerned with isis k and more concerned with isis b12 i'm also a little worried about isis with riva flavin yeah nervous well the sad part was that people they're you know i don't believe it's the isis muslim boogie man or whether they're the way that they frame it but they're certainly willing to kill people that's not something to like you know what i mean it's like it's a fault you know it's that's what's alarming is that it's fake but it's not in a way you know but you do have to subscribe for isis premium plus if you want your beheadings that's yeah they they did make that distinction i've also rolled out to new terror package this year just because i've got that i just clip from c-span where they're talking about the guy asking isis real what their acronym was for the israeli secret intelligence services when he found that out you know that isis that was interesting or the academic iraference earlier by the way saying that that's where the suicide bombs come from is the 20s and you know the reality of the

1:51:16Zionist movement before it was israel anyway before we move on to the summing up questions and as anybody's tired and what's it just stop i just i just i just want everybody to witness this guy who you all know and i think is one of the best pieces of evidence against the official story of 9-11 wait say it again i thought you i didn't hear the first part i said before we move on to summing up questions unless everyone's getting tired and wants to stop i just want to witness this legend you live just a few blocks away and witness dude i was i was i was okay i can't i'm here i think you'll be here i got it 33rd floor of a building which is five blocks from the world trade center itself i witnessed the entire thing from beginning to end people talk about how it looked like a movie i know when i came walking down here early this morning and saw both towers on fire and people on every street corner it was it was it was like a movie but you watch the planes hit the towers i was watching with my

1:52:17roommate it was approximately several minutes after the first plane had hit i saw this plane come out of nowhere and just green right into the side of the twin tower exploding through the other side and then i witnessed both towers collapse one first and then the second mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense so prepared like it sounds like he's it's weird i know it's it's amazing mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense i always after a happened it's amazing and the man standing behind him looked like he could have been a handler or something weird like it is incredible to me that happened and i feel like there is a la is to it because i'm from my first story it just made me laugh like that is that is a guy who's read the instructions on his card word for word when he probably should have parafer is and it's he says something totally and completely he just summed up the nist report conclusion four years before they wrote it within hours i mean why didn't they hire this guy to investigate

1:53:18it's like it's like the equivalent of standing on the steps to book depository 10 minutes of gfk got shot i'm telling him use code well i witnessed a communist sympathizer shoot three bullets with that window like that's perfect yeah if you put yourself put any of us put ourselves in that position if we were there we'd be like i don't know what the hell's going on like just building blew up there's fire everywhere probably a little short the fact that it was a massive massive event here's you know he's just he's not even dusty like it's just very awkward about that whole thing that's what and it's i mean for him to be on the fifth floor for your wherever he said what five blocks away with no other buildings in between him and his apartment for him to have a clear unobstructed view of a second plane and be able to determine that it was structural failure right mostly i mean that is phenomenal i'm i'm almost unwilling to believe that that vantage point

1:54:22exists unless perhaps your Donald Trump who was watching from trump tower but also simultaneously being carried by very big strong fireman god this reminds me of the other nugget the classic was a bbc clip where was the world trace hunter seven was standing in the back they said it collapsed before i did i'm like yeah how did you you don't know where it's going to collapse for sure you know see that's what i'm saying gene in the chat fifth floor in manhattan you don't see a damn thing you can see quite a few air conditions it's true you can maybe maybe if you're really unlucky you'll see a very large Italian lady in various states of undress and then have to burn that image out of your skull but yeah the interesting so aside from the you know structured way he did that like i i think i've used who says approximately like in a normal casual sense like i just think

1:55:22that stands out as very intelligence military like it's weird and how would you even know like i guess you could have glanced right at the clock when you look but it just seems like a whole thing it seems very coordinated but that that's the word that immediately stood out to me when i was listening to that you're not a native new yorker saying approximately you're not and that's not to disparage anyone from the great state of new york or or the empire city i'm not i'm not trying to do that at all it's just your vernacular doesn't usually account for and approximately for most people look it's that's uncommon i think i was looking at the some of the comments and maybe slightly off topic but a lot of people mentioned Christopher Bolin's work and i don't again nobody knows everything we all have limited bandwidth i only learned about Bolin because of my interview some months ago with Brendan O'Connell who brought him up and i've got the book i haven't had the time to read Bolin's books i got him on my desktop computer here and i went to his website and i emailed like the three available emails and they all failed they they i got returned to sender

1:56:28with the emails but again i'd love to speak to Bolin but i have i saw Derek just posted a near view he did with the Bolin years ago but yeah i don't know if you guys are familiar with his work yeah yeah i mean i think the important thing is to enter it to engage with all of these things and and consider it for yourself and and some you know piece together what you think happened based on the data points because what you'll find in almost every one of these like James was saying is a lot of theory you know and many many that you know there's some data points and then some theory built around it whereas i think on the other side again to to pray to praise his work it's a lot of facts and data points with the theory around it is different than what we're seeing elsewhere but nonetheless as he points out some even the mainstream books you can get things that are valuable there so read that and get investigated but don't think it's a one-stop shop in any any one of them you know and every one of them are all considered contentious because it's talking about a secondary idea of 9-11 so it's like all of them are considered conspiracy theories so consider that as well

1:57:37yeah okay we can actually properly sum up now okay we're gonna do some winding down we're gonna talk about the future we're gonna talk about the present Johnny wants to know if the people at the top will ever be punished for the war crimes that followed 9-11 um just well i suppose it depends on how you think about things but personally i would say in in this world no eventually one would hope so um but what do you guys think i agree with you in this world no and you know and in the world to come yes but um no i mean what when have we ever seen justice really no sorry i'm not i don't see it yeah i'm pretty cynical about that is well i don't know if it's being cynical or if it's being realistic odds are no any punishment

1:58:38that those folks receive is going to be in the next life not not in this one i sadly agree with where i think my gut goes but i think it's important to you know like look at okay look at this look at history as you're i said the reality of it show me who's been arrested like this entire administration was screaming about putting people in print nobody right like other than saying even the people they pretend that putting a present are getting a slap on the wrist and getting put aside so it's like you know is it likely clearly not and and you know maybe i'm jaded maybe we're jaded about the idea but it's based on a factual history look at what we have yet to get nonetheless though i i would add a layer of positive to it that ultimately i do feel that we're at a different point right now like again my gut would be probably not based on everything based on where we are but we are at a different moment and i think there's more of an opening right now for that possible thing to happen than i've seen in me my time doing this so you know keep that in mind like it's always possible otherwise we wouldn't be doing this that's what i would argue but i sadly agree that it's not likely but let's keep trying okay in a similar vein um i like the

1:59:46username useless idiot asks does the panel think we'll have a new position to learn exactly what did happen in 9-11 or has too much time passed i again look to history pick your events um especially of this magnitude can you definitively say you know what what what what happened i i bowed it very much i mean yeah i yeah i would tend to agree i mean like history history is just dotted with things you never know exactly what happened we don't know exactly how the Titanic's like we don't know exactly how the battle of the song went you know i mean and these are documented things like things that were documents have already been destroyed but you'll never know exactly who signed war order i don't think i mean we can piece together roughly what happens but i mean we're war i would say now does Hitler survive where's everything like it's just endless you know it's here's the thing and i agree with you but it's i do argue there are things that i think we can prove but then the

2:00:49same point should be applied that you know you could argue that in the sense that you know here's the fact here's the checks out you can prove it but things can pop up a year down the line and end up going you know oh turns out that was fabricated or something like we you know this is the way of it so question everything that being said like i think there are things that are pretty damn clearly defined whether it's the following the money aspect the reality of criminal activity around all this you know so i think it's important that we do highlight that ground floor criminality the bigger picture i i agree like like JFK is a good example i think it's like we i think we know we relied to i think we know that there was government involvement but i do argue we're probably never really going to know if as long as these power structures exist at the very least you know so i think it's the same kind of thing with where we are here we know that we relied to i think we know that the government was involved i would argue that that'd be my opinion i think everything else we have it's like it shows you that we need to be you know going after the culprits that were involved the how and the why we we should be debating but again that that like i think the frustration

2:01:50from corbid is it's like well these people should be in prison right now you can prove that and yet we're debating about the nuance around it we could we should do that like i said about the others but let's start with what we can prove you know and that's how these all should go i think in my opinion that's true i suppose you can take issue with the wording of the question i mean not saying they boarded it badly but to a position to learn exactly what happened i mean exactly is a question of like focus steps isn't it like do we know exactly what happened pretty much already we can prove the buildings were destroyed on purpose for financial and political gain you can prove that so we know that to an extent will we ever know exactly who planted what explosive where no but yeah to a to a reasonable degree in resolution we do know roughly exactly what happened but if you're going to take her question word for word then the answer be no right exactly know every point probably not i would argue that even if these power structures go away because there's probably parts of that you'll just never be able to truly discern you know but again the main point

2:02:52is that they are criminals and should be accountable for this yeah in case the US government but sorry but yeah i just said it not to disparage the pursuit of truth again on the one hand i think we're not going to come to the ultimate conclusion like you mentioned with the detail i think the point is we can see the big picture the big trajectory that i think is evident and most important but that doesn't just i love learning you know reading books and learning new nuggets right whether it's reading a Christopher Bowling like i think we should all we should still be doing that you know maybe i'll get around to reading Judy Woods book but i don't disparage that pursuit of truth i still think that's always valuable but we're not going to have like a document that says this is exactly what what right yeah i don't know what the heck people are are assuming is actually going to happen like somebody's going to be like oh we found it and it says like you know super secret squirrel top secret 9-11 plan and it's written in official government crayon and lays out in excruciating detail

2:03:59exactly where the do's are positioned or exactly who owns the patent for the hologram the hologram plane or something like i don't i don't know what people actually expect out of it other than to go okay nobody's saying absolutely not to any avenue of exploration nobody's closing any doors on anything what we're kind of saying is there are many things we can prove one of them being this was a catalyst event towards the digital prison grid that is currently being implemented around and i think trying to pull anybody into not necessarily the weeds but like down to the macro on it unless it completely changes the paradigm of everything else that we're discussing it is almost hyperbolic almost but it's a fair question to ask you know from her perspective if

2:05:04you know what her intention is the purchase is you know will we ever know exactly no i would argue right yeah no i don't believe so yeah no i just i feel like it's i i don't relevant but it's you both assumed it's a woman i thought you said i'm sorry i thought you said that i just feel like no no her name is useless it is probably a woman right i'm gonna share it with you guys it's a bot you said a darpa bot in some darpa laboratory it's obnoxious yeah the final question kind of two questions because it's basically the same question slightly different word it but i didn't want to exclude anybody shatnoir asks a quarter of a century later what have been the consequences of and what have been accomplished by critiques of 9-11 especially since it was succeeded by more monumental ops like kovat has the big lie simply become settled history and hidden and and historical curiosity for conspiracy buffs and bubble job again a nice name is asks more simply is it worth to talk about 9-11 after 25 years and or

2:06:11doesn't have anything new to teach us well i'll go i'll go on that first one because i think this is what is causing some of the frustration is that you know what i like i said earlier right it's for a lot of the new stuff it's this is there's an industry around this topic now and it's weird and i hate that because it's like it's such an important moment that will always be important because of what happened and what was driven from it but you know i think like i'll point to an article Derek put out yesterday or 9-11 which simply points to a new poll that shows that 41 percent there's many other numbers but 41 percent of gen z believe the u.s. government let it happen now that who that's not even the point is the point is not about whether that is the truth it's interesting that you have a group that in many cases weren't even alive like we're we're we're we're don't we're there for it who've only gotten secondary information about the event are of the mind that the the u.s. government let it happen so in other words we're involved in some way now a lot of the comments are like oh they're missing it and this is the problem and i'm going

2:07:12you're i think you're missing the point is that even they are questioning the government but i get the reasoning of like if we come from our perspective and i do believe it's very easy to see that they're criminal on this that it's almost frustration only 41 percent you know i mean like so it's like a but i think it's interesting that you see this continuing through these younger generations and i think that's a positive i think it speaks to the fact and that's and that's a a poll for all we know that's a manipulated poll trying to find those that wouldn't answer yes you know you know how these things play i think most people are aware of this aware of at least the idea that people question whether the government was involved and i i think that's a positive thing i think it's evolving so that i guess that secondary question i think there's always going to be a use and a value in doing this but doing it right and i only mean that in the sense of being objective being honest critical and being open to new ideas and if we do that i think it's all important to reevaluate where we are and what they've done since all i'll add when they say it has the big lie become subtle history unfortunately in my opinion i think both things can

2:08:18be true yes it has but if we compare to earlier time points in time to deep events i think maybe there's a greater amount of skeptics when it comes to 9-11 and then with cova 9-11 there's an even greater amount the question cobit so there's a pattern formation there and so on the one hand i think it has been the big lie is the official narrative but again i think it's still worth hacking away at the roots and just trying to grow within the global population to try to get to a critical mass of people that have skepticism hoping with the next deep event we'll have less compliance than what's the last with the previous one yeah there's there's always value in trying to dig for legitimate answers to very serious questions the even when the big lie becomes the official

2:09:23narrative i mean we're operating on tons and tons of previous big lies as just the way the world works and people are starting to and continuing to question all of those on a daily basis the the real human experience the thing that they're trying to take away with us with AI and all that stuff is having your own thoughts and seeking your own answers and not having to outsource all of this crap to you know third parties that definitely don't have your best interest in at mind and so of course there's value to it is it going to do anything yes if we keep fucking talking about it yes of course it is but we can't get we can't get dragged into conversations that are designed to distract about the minutiae of it when the end goal of what 9-11 was or certainly one

2:10:29of them the digital prison is being implemented and i think that so much of this is orchestrated on a level to pull our focus away from the fact that we can do something about this that that we should do something about this that you know the the real black pill is going oh well we can vote our way out or you know oh well we'll let somebody else solve the problem or there's nothing we can do about it those are all black pills and i reject that categorically yeah i mean i mean i would break down that question into into three potential answers really i mean what has been accomplished by critics of 9-11 i would say what you can see by the response to 9-11 is a change in the way they do things i mean i think there is there has been a change in the way

2:11:31these silos are conducted partly because of the pushback on 9-11 truth i think they i think buried families for example isn't it they didn't account for and they're there push people like bobby macabane their push for truth has meant that there have been i would say an argument and attempts to reduce that aspect i think they try and limit they know buried families they try and limit casualties as much as they can because it's easier to control people that way that's practically speaking has some has it accomplished anything more broadly yes the truth movement has accomplished a lot it's it has changed the conversation it made jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams and to a meme that people just know they got that idea out there and that's very important and an age when it wasn't easy to do necessarily it was easier to spread memes now in some ways

2:12:32you could argue maybe the meme was designed to sort of trivialize the point but it's out there it's an idea that now everybody knows um and i suppose the third part would be is it worth still talking about well they clearly think so because this 25th anniversary i have not seen pro official story propaganda like this in years like the socials and the media are absolutely flooded with oh by the way did you know the steel trusses were pulled down because the heats he expanded but ideas people stop talking about years it was that stupid and everybody knows they don't really work there's been a real push on it and i think what it comes down to the real file part of the question is is it worth still talking about 25 years later is we're not 25 years after something happened Covid um 9-11 isn't something that happened 25 years ago it's the first part of something that's still happening and so it's very much still worth talking about

2:13:32and what else are we supposed to talk about you know soap operas you know uh sports is like what's the alternate right well and but in the question of like is it relevant within the field of work that we do i i still the answer still yes you know it's as for even without that point but it's a great point kit like because it's it's still ongoing and you know we didn't get much into the future part of this but i think our work all of us is related to that in an everyday sense but it's like it's clear that this is an ongoing thing now i i mentioned that earlier i still don't know if this was sort of like i mean i do you can like point like i mentioned on a previous show like zibbigdy brosinski's technotronic state in the conversation which clearly draws a line you know from that to this but i don't know if this was what was envisioned you know i don't know if Covid was part of it but i think that either way whether it was planned or not it was an extension of the same growing agenda and so it makes it clearly relevant to know how it was initiated and what drove it into reality you know so it's that's always going to be valid but to we should be questioning that like we did today debate the different parts that we don't know leave what you can't prove

2:14:33but there's enough provable evidence to show you you know all that we went through all of it already you know like the stuff we discussed today if there's plenty more we could have gotten into but i think that will never stop being relevant because of that and still again if this power structure disappears into the background i would even say even then it would still be relevant to point out how governments can use false flags to control your population i i agree and i would say i am out of questions and it is 20 plus two in the morning and this is a good time to stop if anybody wants to say goodbye now is the time i just thought that was a good conversation guys i'm thank you for putting this on kit and i'm glad that people are still talking about it and if this still matters and the people are still interested to know the truth you know that that's the core goal right that we're willing we still care enough to to ask these questions and that's always important so thanks thanks to you yeah the only thing i did because oh there would have been more people on the panel but half of them are at a 9-11 event in person who have the eyes made in

2:15:39New York right now yeah yeah which for some reason i think it didn't occur to me when i planned this i was like oh no i was going to be doing it through 9-11-25 of course the whole bloody world is but whatever but actually the biggest thank you to all the people who kind of answered the question for us by submitting literally dozens of questions which i very much appreciate and i hope we've tackled well enough for everybody to get something out of it and good night