
Ilya Sutskever (OpenAI Chief Scientist) — Why next-token prediction could surpass human intelligence
About this episode
I went over to the OpenAI offices in San Fransisco to ask the Chief Scientist and cofounder of OpenAI, Ilya Sutskever, about:
* time to AGI
* leaks and spies
* what's after generative models
* post AGI futures
* working with Microsoft and competing with Google
* difficulty of aligning superhuman AI
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Timestamps
(00:00) - Time to AGI
(05:57) - What’s after generative models?
(10:57) - Data, models, and research
(15:27) - Alignment
(20:53) - Post AGI Future
(26:56) - New ideas are overrated
(36:22) - Is progress inevitable?
(41:27) - Future Breakthroughs
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