Icon #16 - The Easter Bunny: Our Forgotten May Queen

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3:08We use these icons to create meaning, to build identity, to learn that some mammals do have a cloaca and that's not weird to learn the damage that can be done when an icon gets their big shot at a Hollywood movie and they're played by a fucking Russell brand. And most importantly, we use these icons to learn that when you look back over the Easter's of your life and you only see one set of prints in the sand, that's not because Jesus abandoned you, it's because a giant egg laying bunny was carrying both you and Jesus on her back. That's right. We're talking about maybe the strangest holiday mascot, the original EB White, the Easter bunny. Sniff sniff sniff sniff. Bunny. I´m thrilled to be joined as always. I´m aorthOS. Mister miles cry. Make those catberry eggs, the fuck away from me the God is not interested. Natalie trusted because they're too good and addictive.

4:08They're just right. Dude, I remember the commercials in the eighties I was like what the fuck is this? Yeah, and I was like chicken bunny thing, you left that fucking And I remember eating one for the first time was so underwhelmed. I was like, this is really? Yeah. As a sugar freak, like that is the sugariest. Like the inside of that is it's just molten sugar. It's just molten sugar that they like bait. They turned into like base. Recom. Yeah. No, there's no precom. It's all the heavy. It's heavy ropes of sugar com. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's disgusting. I'm fine with the regular hard shell, Cadbury eggs. I don't mind those. Like, you know what I mean? Just the shell egg. The shell egg was nothing, nothing inside. What do you mean? Like, yeah, like at M&M, like it's like, it's got like a, it's like no chocolate with the candy shell. No, those will have fuck with the head of the cream. That shit. Well, that's see, this is the duality that we present. I do just because as a sugar freak, I love the big Cadbury eggs, which do seem

5:14to be getting smaller and the Reese's eggs. So good. What a, what a balance. In our third seat, we're thrilled to be joined by one of our favorites, one of your favorites, a comedian, writer, producer, podcaster, who you know from lady to lady, a wonderful podcast and something called stand up comedy. It's Brandy Poses. Brandy. And, hell yeah, been chomping at the bit to jump in on the Cadbury egg discussion. Okay. I want to give voice to the voiceless Catherine in the chat. You said, nope, miles. What are we talking about? What was the note? Talking about nope to the tiny ones that look like M&Ms. Just eat an M&M. Just eat a fucking M&M, bro. Wow. What do you like better about those than M&Ms? This is just like a different balance of the sugar candy. It's the chocolate. It's the Cadbury chocolate itself. Yeah, that's okay. I like it has superior milk chocolate. And I have like actual Cadbury, like UK version of these act because there's the UK version and then there's our version. Yeah, yeah.

6:18Yeah, there's actually go bad because they're not just plastic with goo inside. Right. They have like a born on date where I still find I have found Easter eggs with candy still in them and just popped that candy in my mouth. No, like and it's from like last year, maybe two years ago, the Easter where I'm like going back to hide the eggs, little spoiler alert for the kiddos out there. And yeah, I find that we forgot to crack one. I will still eat the candy and I've never died. Where are you at Brandy with the Cadbury's? The cream egg you don't like you're not in the night. I'm not anymore. There was a time. I think my yeah, yeah, I am reformed. I hit a point where I was like, we can't be doing this anymore because it was just like sugar straight to the dome and a way that I was like, oh, I feel like a beat dropping when I would eat.

7:19You're like licking the sludge out and I was like, you can't. I think I got to go to a meeting over these eggs. Whoa, what the fuck's in these things? You just black out, come to 20 minutes later. There's just shit like foil stuck to your face. Yeah, your shoes are on the wrong feet. It's like a push zoom. 20 minute long push zoom on your face. I do. All right. So a little behind the scenes on how we choose our icons. We have a list of icons that we send out all the way like the icons that we've done. Then we got we got a list of like, you know, potential icons to do and send them out to our guests and Brandy, we reached out to you, you snapped up the Easter Bunny. I did. I thought Easter Bunny was going to sit on the shelf like an NBA player who shouldn't have come to the draft and is still there really going to

8:21second out. Like I thought the Easter Bunny was just going to be chilling. I'm so glad you did. I learned a lot in researching this episode and shout out to Jay and McNabb for helping with the research. But he explained what what about the Easter Bunny? I'll spoke to you. So I felt like if not me, then who? Number one. Revolutionary. Yeah, step up. Yeah, exactly. I was like, somebody's got to do it. I actually have experience, unfortunately, as a mall Easter Bunny in 2018. Amazing. For two weeks at the Eagle Rock Plaza. I was a mall. Yeah. So like, low tier Easter Bunny too. Yeah. Eagle Rock Plaza too. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, here's a photo of me with my dog in the Easter Bunny costume. This is me. Now you're a very nice looking Easter Bunny. See, you say that in person, this suit is horrifying because I have a joke about it on my new album work. This is actually this is the album cover also. Like I did this. I made this the album cover because it's like I have

9:24a whole joke about being the Easter Bunny because I did it. I played the Kennedy Center with one of my shows and I came back. I know this is pre 2018 Kennedy Center. I'm just going to say 2018 Kennedy Center. It was worth a day. Yeah. I came back. I had one day and then I started two weeks as a mall Easter Bunny. So it was this real like deep. Wow. And that costume you can only see out through the mouth and like, and you'd have kids come up and just like, and it's not a big mouth. No, it's not like it doesn't have a gaping smile. It's kind of a small mouth. To small mouth. And what would happen? Because in here in LA, March gets hot. So you would like be in this costume sweating and silence. And they would just be like, put, put a podcast on. So you're listening on headphones to whatever the hell you're listening to. I put a lot of murder podcasts because I was like, I feel like I don't, this is the right energy for Easter Bunny. But then when I, when a kid wasn't sitting on you, you would lean over and put your face over a fan just to try to like get air into your face. So this Easter Bunny just constantly looks like

10:27he's like nodding off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's a little dope sick. Dope sick Easter Bunny. And I emailed the company actually this week because my album just came out and I emailed like the company that I worked for to be like, is this suit still in rotation? I'd like to come take a photo of me with my album cover with the Easter Bunny. And they were like, what did they, I'm gonna get the exact wording that it was a strange email back said sure. The suit is not currently in circulation is what they said. I was like, what? They went through, they went through their legal team on that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Erica got back to me. I've shocked she responded to the camera. I mean, you got one that is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you say you play the Kennedy Center. I'm aware of the Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the performing arts. Is that, is that what it used to be called the Kennedy Center? That's what it used to be called. Oh, you used to be Kennedy's name. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. It used to be his name first. Yeah.

11:29Yeah. Wasn't, yeah. Isn't that crazy? You're like, oh, yeah. Well, I just played the Kennedy Center. Yeah. So I'm leaning over a fan to a tiny mouth hole so I don't get like each true in this belt cost. Why it's really important to support your artists materially and financially, you guys, because let's mark that as number one on the list of like things that we need to do to make over the Easter Bunny is like, we need a suit. This is spring. This is a spring holiday. This is our icon of a spring holiday. It's warm most places. Most places. This is going to be a problem. Yeah. Sure. To be full on like this, this costume is warmer than Santa's suit. Yeah. Right. And you're putting them in a flugging. Yeah. Well, and I'll do this on the 4th of July, guys. What are we doing? And I'll tell you what, you're not getting paid. What Santa's getting paid. Oh, I bet. People talk a lot about like the, you know, the gender gap, you know, the racial gap. No one is talking about the Easter Bunny Santa Claus gap. I want to talk about it. That's what I'm

12:30here to talk about, Brandon. Real Christians should be upset about that. Actually, because one's actually to do with the fucking save the resurrection. That's what I'm saying. Is it? Is it? That's what I wanted to say. Yeah. I want to get it. Let's get it. We talked about the religion of the pagan with the Christian and our modern US holidays. I feel like the Easter Bunny is the fucking crux of the like the most pagan shit. Like with Santa, you've got a religious code name. He goes by Saint Nick. He gives the church like plausible deniability. The Easter Bunny, could it be like it's a bunny that brings and lays candy fill brightly colored eggs. And the a sensible Christian reason for this season is like the brutal murder of and then spooky resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Oh yeah. I guess they both have to do with like rebirth. Like that's the that's the closest I can get. I guess. Yeah. To your point and Catherine,

13:34the chat's like, yeah, Christians hate it because it's funny. My grandmother was a very you know, upstanding Christian woman. She definitely, she kind of had misgivings about the Easter Bunny. Never like that. It was visible to me. But I remember my grandpa would be really excited about that in the Easter thing. And she would kind of always be like less enthusiastic about it. I was feeling out was to do because she was like, we need to remember what Jesus suffered across for. I'm like, yeah, yeah. More on that later. More on that later. There's all we saw dogs chum in sized bunny. Yeah. Leg eggs next to me, please. They're chocolate. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that. The Christians have been upset about it. They've also tried to like make some bizarre attempts to make the Easter Bunny like Jesus is wing man. Like a like story where like the Easter Bunny is just like one of the apostles. One of these children's stories. I just love the last supper. You just do a small pan down the table the last summer. And then at the end of some fucker and a rabbit costume. I think another like in addition to the costume

14:39being horribly designed for the season. I'm going to say I think another major problem we have is the Easter Bunny is a she and they will not let the Easter Bunny be she lays eggs. She's like historically she's an example of the divine feminine. And like it's this one place, this one holiday where we let like the divine feminine and eggs and like rebirth like sneak into our modern patriarchal world. And like, yeah, they won't they keep they make Russell brand like she she never gets to be a woman in any of the movies. Right. Yeah. And yeah, like I I feel like we need to I was listening to a podcast where they acknowledge the pagan origins. But then they were like and the reason the eggs are painted this color is because like green represents the color of the herbs that were like fed to Jesus on the cross. Oh fuck. Oh, you're recording. You're

15:43right. Yeah. They're painted the color of flowers for like a spring festival. Like this is our mid-Somar. Like this is the Easter Bunny should be our May queen. Yeah. Like this is this is what we need to do with the Easter Bunny. We need to reclaim the Easter Bunny as our divine feminine and they just like won't won't let it happen. So what you're saying is that malls just start having a man paralyzed in a bear suit. Yes. That's how we should be taking photos with this time of year. And there's a huge opportunity here. As you said, like the Easter Bunny is not quite Santa Claus, but the Easter Bunny is the face of a holiday that Americans spend $24 billion on a year. That's twice as much as Halloween somehow. Wait, really? No fucking way. There's a far superior holiday. Yeah. And celebrated by new mathematically way more people. I know. A fucking Easter. But I think

16:44it's because people buy like new nice outfits on Easter. Oh, and then more expensive than shitty candy. Oh, right. Because all the Easter shit you do on that's true. Because yeah, I was getting together with my family. We have massive fucking work. You like cook out all kinds of shit. The basket is a whole thing. And that cost more than the sack. I'm getting candy for sure. That's true. Oh, yeah. Because the Catholic kids I grew up down the street from, they got so much fucking shit for Easter. I was like, what the fuck is this shit? Yeah. This motherfucker got a fucking Nintendo game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember got the Ken Gribling. There's a Ken Griffey Jr. Super Nintendo game that came out that year. I still remember this day. He fucking got that shit for fucking Easter. I went to my grandfather's house. I had stale ass machines. I got one gift. I think in an Easter basket. And it was he's the DJ on the rapper. The Will Smith. Yeah. I still remember that. I feel like god damn. Man, we were a candy. How

17:47guys? Yeah. Yeah. We were a candy only Easter basket. Household, I think. Yeah. That's wild. I didn't even think about like get the presence of it all. Yeah. So we're going to start with the origins, which I think gets into some of this divine feminine. But any questions you guys have up top or anything, any other Easter bunny thoughts before we get into the dossier. Main thought was that it never occurred to me the gender sex of the Easter bunny. No, we need to really before we started doing this. Yeah. Of course. I would this motherfucker be laying eggs. Yeah. But then also what kind of bunny's laying fucking, you know what I mean? But then you're like, what kind of bunny lays eggs? And then why the hat on a hat? Like the reason it's a bunny is because it's like a fertility symbol. I'm saying because they fuck a lot. What I'm saying is I'm entering this conversation with my 12-year-old idea of what Easter bunny was have not really given it much thought outside of me. Yeah. Right. What the fuck does that do with anything? So yeah, I've already been like, Oh, damn. It's yeah. It's a female dude. I

18:48think it should be of starting to call the Easter bunny she like I feel will really start blowing people's minds. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to being insufferable about it this holiday season. Yeah. Well, you never know what he's going to be. She. She. Excuse me. She lays eggs. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And you go to the dad and you go, I'm sorry, sir. Do you lay eggs? Do you have and this doesn't have to get into a sticky domain about gender or anything like that? No. Yeah. Let's see him. Let's see him. Let's see him. That's it. He's not. Yeah. I was saying when they come out of your butt. Yeah. The Easter bunny does have like a it's pat quality about it though. I feel like sure. But then sometimes you see this saying. I'm not saying that like it is canonically female. No, no, no, no, no, no. It should be canonically female. It shouldn't be. Haven't you seen where like the mother fuckers dressed up looking like a dapper danishit with like a straw hat and garters on its own? Yeah. I guess in a barbershop quartet and I'm like, the fuck is that? Yeah. Very instantly. Sometimes. Yes. And like

19:48rank and bass is like tried to do a bunch of like all the all the same tricks that were used to build Santa and Rudolph were used with the Easter bunny. They just haven't worked. My theory is that it's because they're barking up the wrong tree. They're making it a boy every single time. And it just like that's not that's not what it wants to be. That's not what the zeitgeist wants the Easter bunny. That's not what our patriarchy demands. Yeah. Our patriarchy demands one thing. I think you're our shared consciousness demands something else like it. Yeah. So there's a lot of debate about the specifics of her origin story. We do know that bunnies were important pagan symbols going back to the neolithic age in Europe, which is 10,000 BC to 2000 BC during the neolithic age in Europe. Hares were given ritual burials alongside humans, which was archaeologists believe

20:49was a religious ritual with hares representing rebirth. So right from the start, you have it. The neolithic, by the way, 10,000 BC. So it's the last part of the Stone Age because 10,000 BC stone tools, right? Yeah. Still stone tools. It's when they first get the idea like farming. We've talked about how like all of the sudden the same idea will occur in multiple places around the world. And this is the neolithic package, like these developments that happen in different places all around the world, introducing a farming, domestication of animals, change from hunter-gatherer lifestyle to one of settlement. It's when humanity got their shit together or fell into a trap that they would never recover from. Wow. The Easter Bunny has seen it all. I know. The Easter Bunny's been with us for it all. Preach, Jesus. Preach, Preach, Preach Christianity, then obviously. Preach, yeah. Yeah. Abrahamic religious.

21:52Preach, it's like right around the very first books in the Old Testament is like when we know that they were already burying people with hares and rabbits. Yeah. So maybe Jesus should be a rabbit. I'm just saying like Jesus can be like she influenced me. I would have been way more into Christianity if they're like and thank God for this rabbit. Yeah. Get it on the line for us. I'm like, shout out to that rabbit. Yeah. Yeah. Everything. Well, I have a book for you that we're going to get to it later on. During the Iron Age, ritual burials of hares were common. And in 51 BC, Julius Caesar mentions that in Britain, hares were not eaten due to their religious significance. So in like pagan, Britain, Britannia, hares are essentially to them what like cats are to ancient Egypt. Wow. By the way, this the Neolithic age like ends with the age of ancient Egypt. So it's like

22:54the era before that. That's how long ago we're talking. So pagan, pre-Christian history of hares being treated as special animals linked to rebirth. I guess that that is the one way like like I said, like Christian Easter is about Jesus rising from the dead, which is a sort of rebirth. But yeah. Originally, what are the rebirths are there? You can't ever technically be reborn. Am I right? Yeah. Yeah. Just in a metaphor. Well, I mean, I guess just birth is a rebirth of like a species. Something new. I'm being very self centered. The spring is a rebirth of the earth comes back to life. And it's not tied harmically to like your comeback as like a different animal or level along the way too. It's just like the act of just being reborn. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hares were sacred to Aphrodite. The ancient Greek goddess of love, which is why hares and rabbits have long been symbols of sexuality. So we just have like a lot of examples of rabbits and hares

23:57being linked to the feminine, being linked to rebirth, reproduction, and the sacred. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm just realizing Jessica Rabbit is like. That's actually should be the mascot of the holiday season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It should be the divine feminine. Yeah. Hornie Rabbit woman. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing it all wrong. Nothing about her. Easter Bunny and Jessica Rabbit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rabbit. Back at it. The Virgin Mary is often shown with a white hair or rabbit symbolizing that she overcame sexual temptation. So they're like getting in on the sort of pagan iconography very early on in Christian art. I just love the Horniness that's implied there. Yeah. They're like not only is she a virgin, but she wanted to like, you know, yeah. She's like a rabbit, but she like didn't she didn't do it. She's like good rabbit.

25:01No, no, she had she had God's son. That's right. That's right. Um, like how how often were they? You know, like, was it going on between the two of them? Because maybe that. Yeah. What's God's sperm count? No one talks about this. That's right. There's also. So Easter is associated with this goddess aostray, which like this one comes from a monk from the 600s who then gets quoted by the grim brothers and that like your your myth is going to become canon if the Grims put it in their book. But so this is where people like jump in and be like, um, actually, uh, the idea that a aostray was a pagan goddess who is associated with rabbits was first quoted by this monk in the 600s, which is true. But it's like, I don't know, that's just one part one piece of evidence that like there is this divine pagan feminine association

26:08with rabbits. So like they're just like cherry picking one thing and trying to be like that. There got him. It's not a pagan ritual. Also, that one monk was weird and nobody liked him. Right. Dude, what are you talking about in general? Yeah. He's rabbits, man. All right. Yeah. I think I got it. Throw his wine out. Also Easter, the word Easter is related to estrus, which is a recurring period of sexual receptivity and fertility and female mammals. So it's like everything is like about women's cycles. It's also a holiday that's not on a set day. Yeah. It's a holiday that is determined out. It's to it's vibed out based on the lunar cycle and also like the, uh, equinox. Like it couldn't be more feminine and pagan. Like the everything about this holiday is so like feminist and pagan. It's like we're, uh, yeah, they're they're doing combination of lunar cycles and spring equinox, which I think their explanation is like, well,

27:12that's how Passover is determined. And Jesus probably died on Passover. But like, I don't know. That doesn't really make sense or like that doesn't change the fact that you're like looking at the lunar cycle to determine when your when your holiday is. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Definitely. Man, I want to know what the Easter Bunny sign is. Yeah. Very hip, man. Hopefully it was born in the year of the rabbit. Yeah. So it conforms to the Chinese zodiac. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it's overlap. It's always. Well, I guess technically, well, I'm in my brain, I just went, well, Easter is tends to be an aries. But also, I'm like, now I'm just like, oh, that's like, that's not the Easter Bunny's birthday. So who knows? Yeah. And I don't know enough about astrology to continue this riff. So let's go deeper. Yeah. Basically, my thesis on the whole, like, controversy around the origin of the Easter Bunny is like, people are like, they're, they're all

28:14these different examples of like pagan influence where like, uh, bunnies are important. One of them seems maybe like a little bit weak. And that's the one that most often gets quoted on the internet. And so people are like, so therefore it's not true. But there's not like an alternative explanation where they're like, and actually it came from this thing where like, Jesus loved rabbits. Or, you know what I mean? Like, they don't have an alternate explanation. So it's just clearly an example of like the divine feminine. Like, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. The first mention of a bunny that lays eggs was I think 1572. The Germans, those freaky, those freaky fox, some classic German shit. What was it? There's some fucking weird fairy tale. That's some freaky. Oh, it's pretty normal. They said, do not worry if the Easter Bunny escapes you, should we miss his eggs? We will cook the nest. Oh, a German. German. Oh, but in this version,

29:17it's his eggs. Oh, yeah. They were already trying to. They're already. Going wild. Wow. The Easter Bunny then spreads to the US in the 1700s. I actually have a German friend who I talked to for this. And he says that like Easter is a huge holiday in Germany. Like, it was funny because he didn't really like know what our traditional way. He was like, it's crazy. Like, we die these eggs. We do that too. Go on. What? Then they also do an Easter egg hunt, but instead of putting the candy in plastic eggs, they just like put the candy out in the art. But they also have a thing that I really like where after you die the eggs, you decorate a tree with them. And it's like not a Christmas tree, but like a different tree that you bring into your house, like a dogwood or something. Yeah. A little dogwood. Wow. Okay. So there's an Easter tree.

30:17Wow. Easter egg tree. Okay. I can do it. I also. Somebody who just took their Christmas tree down, not joking yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's. I love that. It was just became a daunting thing. And I think our collective familial ADD was just like, I feel you. I took my, I took my outside lights down last weekend because I was just like, I was like, I can't. Pardon me. You should have been like, fuck. Well, it could have been an Easter tree, which is fucking hell. Yeah. Especially like you did, you know, he was saying that it's not a tree usually that it has leaves on it. So, okay. Yeah. Just a parent tree that you decorate with beautiful legs. Yeah. There's also like a lot of like scholarly debate about like when they first started laying eggs and like why they lay eggs. I'm just gonna say like, it's a fertility symbol. Yeah. Like for sure. America was symbolized by like a fighter jet sized bald eagle that like shit nuclear weapons and the explosions were like red, white, and blue. We wouldn't be like,

31:22how'd they come up? It'd be like, yeah, that's we get it. Like the symbolism's a little. It's a little heavy handed, but we get it, you know. Yeah. I'm sure a bunch of different people got to the rabbit laying eggs, you know. I'm liking the idea of like in Germany has a campus and I've always thought that every holiday should have a campus like a villain to go with it. Some balance the scales. Yeah. And I'm like, just thinking of like an Easter campus is just a fucked up dude rabbit burn like bone around just whipping eggs that people on the street. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. There's egging everybody. Yeah. God, why? There's steals the eggs. I mean, you already got to steal kids, right? Because it's like, yeah, I fucking kill you, man. Yeah. We lift that boat. Frank, we get Miles saying you got to steal kids. You got to steal kids. I go, I'll fucking kill you, man. Come on, you don't like these eggs. They're catberries. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, Chairman and CEO of Ihar Media. And I'm kicking

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37:39where rabbits are considered pests. I also wonder, this might tie into the whole sacred feminine and fertility thing, because in Australia, Easter is not a spring festival. They're headed towards winter. That makes sense. It's no longer about fertility, and the Bill B is not a symbol of fertility. It was brought in in the 90s as a symbol of conservation, because they're actually endangered, and the Easter like bunnies are the opposite. So essentially, they like, they did create a reverse Easter Bunny. They did. The Easter Bill B is that that's the compass of Easter. There you go. Yeah, there we go. They're really cute. I just look at the muffin. I was like, Oh, yeah, they kind of look bunny-ish. Yeah, these little fucking long nose motherfuckers. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. How are you, Bill B? They're gift-bearing, other gift-bearing animals, include the Easter Kuku in Switzerland, and in some parts of Germany, the Easter Fox in Sweden.

38:41Or no, sorry, in some parts of Germany, the Easter Fox or the Easter Rooster leave eggs. In Sweden, it's an Easter witch who hails from an ancient cultural tradition. The Sweden one is associated with witches, due to the quote, old belief that witches would fly to a German mountain the Thursday before Easter to cavort with Satan. And then they visit you on the way back. Scott back from cavorting with Satan. Yeah. Yeah, they just stop by on their walk a shame. Russia, it's dogs who lay the Easter eggs, which I don't like that at all. That's fucking weird. Cause I mean, it's gonna look like they're taking a shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, like, there's no, there's no, I can already see it arched back. Yeah. All low to the ground. Not good. Egg that beautiful egg. I feel like flour. Don't touch that. Don't touch that. They probably swallowed that thing. Came out the other way. The Easter Bunny became a commercial powerhouse.

39:45Thanks largely to German-American candy maker, Robert Strohker, who created a five-foot tall solid chocolate rabbit in 1890 to popularize smaller versions of his new Easter Suites born of the German tradition. It reportedly weighed 400 to 500 pounds and would cost $10,000 today to make. Obviously, it totally works. But obviously, at a certain point, they started making the bunnies out of hollowed out chocolate. It's almost certainly as a money-saving measure. I will say, there's something about the sensory experience of biting off a hollow bunny ear. Yeah. That is unbeatable to me. Even though that was probably an attempt to save money, I am a fan of the hollow bunnies. What about you guys? I love them. And you have to start with the ear, right? I feel like that was always like... Yeah, you always trim the ears off. Sure. Psychopath. Dude, my grandfather... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. If somebody just wanted to ask first

40:49or use your money, you're looking at the ear and they go, no. Yeah, damn. My grandfather, I remember one year jokingly bit off the Easter Bunny ears of me and my brother's Easter like hollow Easter bunnies. And we were inconsolable. Oh my god. I feel so bad. I know. Look, he had World War II to process. So like I understand that now. I think he was PTSD. What was the money back then for those who that didn't exist for them? It was easy. Everyone who was in World War II created PTSD. What? No, man. I'm just someone who sure likes to drink. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want to be home ever. Okay. No, no, no. Don't want to be around you guys. And I'm going to keep drinking. I'm just going to drive and sleep in my own bed. Yes, absolutely. And eat the bunny ears off of my... All of my grandkids. Yeah. I think it is. It's just like the... I think it's also because like as a kid,

41:50you look at you do this thing's fucking substantial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, oh, it's dead. Like I think it's just sort of like the juxtaposition of it's seeming like it's wrapped in foil. You carefully take the foil off just for a nice little... Yeah. And it comes together. It's like breaks into shards. Yeah. Then melt. Yeah. You want tea shards? And you got to get melty shards anywhere else in my life. I don't know. No, no, no. Delicious. We could, but I don't see that out. Other Halloween candy that is classic. We've talked about the Cadbury eggs. Miles had a bizarre opinion that the candy shells are fun as good as the gooey. You know what it's really, you know what it is? It's because of the fucking commercial with that freaky. Oh, that commercial was upsetting. Yeah. And I think that really, it was like, it felt like I was watching like David Lynch's like Naked Lunch for the first time or something. Which you did

42:51watch by the way, canonically mildly. A racer head was the very first one I saw. And my Naked Lunch within the year. Yeah. Yeah. Right after. Wow. Like my dad was like, we saw a racer head and Naked Lunch in the same weekend. But I remember there's like when the chicken, there's like that chicken shit dancing thing. Yeah. For whatever reason, I connect the Cadbury bunny to that moment. It's like really disorienting for me. And I think then it was like an egg and it had the yokey shit. I'm like, this is all too linchian. Yeah. He probably loved that commercial. I wish that I could have seen David Lynch see the Cadbury bunny just phenomenal. It lays eggs. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Beautiful. I can't know what it was. That is the most fucking. You're looking at a very unusual kind of egg from Cadbury. That's only around till Easter. It shell is pure. Cadbury milk chocolate. I'm getting so horny for that egg.

43:56Look at that egg. It has like a yoke too. Yeah. This is what fucked me up is the yellow too. And the yoke looks like a different consistency. Yes. Yeah. And then you eat it. And then you're like this. And I don't know. And I guess that's the thing is I don't know what the fuck this is supposed to taste like. It's a fuck up egg. Yeah. And then it's just like straight non-descript sugar. It just yeah. Sorry. I really like that. Like that commercial is one of the most iconic Easter bunnies for me because it's just straight for it's a bunny. It lays eggs. And then like that. And it's gone. Yeah. It's like chicken. Do you you guys fuck with peeps? No. I'm not a huge peep fan. Scusting. I feel like Easter is just kind of fucking it up. Like in turn, like they whoever is it's like it's like a like sports franchise that is like run by bad management. And you're just like they always make like bad choices. Like they all in on eat on peeps.

44:56Yeah. Like they're they did a big Easter bunny movie. And it was rough. They cast Russell brand. So it's very L.A. Chargers. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like it has a real like what is this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Peeps are I remember. Remember knowing that if you put one in the microwave, they get real big and that's kind of cool. That is cool. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that now. The microwave. They look like they're going to explode. That's fun. Yeah. The candy is not great. I think the best Easter candy is the Reese's Cup that is egg shaped. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I think the the ratio of butter egg. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the ratio. That's right. Yeah. The ratio. That's the best peanut butter chocolate ratio that Reese's has achieved. Yes. The A. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's my faith. Mm-hmm. Moving on. So they were like

45:59we need to get our Easter numbers up. We're going to get Easter bunnies out there like mall Santas in the 1940s and the 1950s. Some of the appearances they look like kind of modern Easter bunnies just in black and white. And some of them look like they got deleted from the ring video for being too accursed. I'm just going to put a couple of these in the chat for you guys. Oh, I'm excited to see these. I love a horror horrible Easter bunny. Yeah. The one with just like the like the porcelain mask. Really a porcelain mask on top of like a one I've seen. That's horrifying. And then this one is also just. Oh, it looks like they're like, okay, make the Easter bunny look like Vincent Denofrio's character in right before he kills himself in full metal jacket. Yeah. No. Where he's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For like a person's character in the shining. Yeah.

47:00Would you like to play a game? Yeah. Find my eggs. There's a key inside. It's so sinister. It just feels fucking like it really is a shot. Sooners. Yeah. Yeah. That's horrifying. Oh, man. Yeah, they are very. They're upsetting often. And honestly, I made a lot of children cry when I was a Molleaster bunny. Like do you think? Yeah. Oh, I'm sure, right? But I meant that that costume you're in was like fine. It didn't. It wasn't like these. It just looks like a big stuffed bunny. Yeah. It's compared to these totally leagues better. Absolutely. Yeah. It's like, I wonder if like Disney changed the game to be like, now you guys are fucking up with like character costumes. These are all fucking terrifying. Yeah. Can we play that? I mean, because Disney has like the one like those characters, like those big cars. I wonder if that like subtly changed how people saw like, oh, yeah, these got to look real cute. Rather than like, I don't know, it's fucking bunny, but it looks like it's angry at all this. It looks like it has been removed through the back of

48:06its head. Yeah. Like a serial killer. Yeah. It's like inside of this thing. Also, shout out to that chair, like that retain woven chair that I've had. It's a nice chair. Shout out to the little girl who's just making the best of it. Big smile on her face. I wish. Yeah. I always think of that that chair in the context of that Huey Newton portrait. Yeah. You know, he's got the like, but this is like the Easter bunny. Yeah. There's also really no widely accepted lore behind the Easter bunny, like whether like does she keep a naughty list like Santa, who makes all the chocolate. There's this article from 1953 where one of your fellow performers, one of your fellow Easter bunny, Thespians, recalled like having a last minute panic when she realized that she had no fucking clue like what the Easter bunny was supposed to say to kids. I don't know, man. Like, fuck off. I say what she's like eventually, I just settled on like, what's your favorite egg color?

49:08Her. That's hilarious. That's like the best she could do. At our Easter bunny orientation, they said you do not speak to the children. You do not speak. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. We do a lot of like mugging and then we would like do a lot of shushing. We would shush them is how you, but a silent shush. And then often because I had several kids that would come up and they'd be like, I can see your face. Yeah. And you were supposed to cover the mouth of the costume and go like, embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is enclosing yourself into the darkest darkness that you've ever seen. Oh, God. Make it real for the kids. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you can see my face. I see a guy can see where you sleep at night. No, no. Yeah. Exactly. Why did they tell you to shush the kids? I think just to stop asking them to stop asking questions. Just. Oh, you're like, are you real Easter bunny? Shut the fuck up. Don't think about it too much. Don't think about it. I don't do that. I don't want my grandpa going to get out of the hospital. I can't. I have zero power.

50:14I think I think I just have a cleat silence. Yeah. So look, look at it. I just got a cloaca. That's all I just get to go shit out some colorful legs. All I got is what I know what you want. All these bunnies eyes are on the front of their face like predators. Yeah. Whereas real bunnies have them on the side. They're very, you know, I got either what's about them terrified. Yeah. Yeah. So as mentioned, ranking and bass, the company behind classics like Rudolph and Frosty tried to work their TV special magic on the Easter bunny multiple times with far less success. 1971's here comes Peter cottontail, which floated the theory that there are many Easter bunnies and one chief Easter bunny that nobody remembers that, right? Like you guys know, I had no idea. Was Peter cottontail always a Easter rabbit character? I just remember the idea of a rabbit called Peter cotton. I think they're like, like, you know, yeah, they're collapsing all the rabbit bunny

51:19universes as long as they can get away with it. Wow. For rights purposes. So that one also had January Q iron tail, a Nazi coded rabbit who wants to ruin Easter for children as revenge for a child who roller skated over his tail, forcing him to wear a prosthetic iron one. Oh, this motherfucker is hit like with the hair and everything. Yeah, they just made him look like Hitler. And the stop motion, like looks good on this. Like I had no idea this existed. Like, I don't remember ever seeing like the Rudolph or the, you know, Frosty specials, but when I see a screen cap from them, like it's still from them, I'm like, oh, yeah, I've seen this. I know this. Like this is right right. Yeah. This one is just completely full. Yeah. No, this I have zero recollection of it. I'm fascinated to see this though. I know from 1971. Doesn't that look pretty good for 1971? Yeah. Like did they get like canceled or something? Is it like bad? And like,

52:20so it just doesn't like they're like, yeah, we actually don't even show that shit anymore. No, I think just nobody gave a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care, man. Fuck you. Alone. The first Easter rabbit in 1976 about how the Easter bunny was once a stuffed toy who was given to a girl for Christmas. The girl catches scarlet fever and the mom is instructed to burn all of her things, including her bunny. Really like dark. This one, his eyes are touching in the front. Like he's, that's how sinister he is. Apex predator, then. Apex predator. Wow. If you two front eyes are touching like a cyclops, you don't, you don't need to give a fuck about anything except for what's in front of you. Okay. Wow. The, uh, the here comes here, cottontail movie. The entire thing is on YouTube available by the way. So I know what I'm doing after this. I feel like a lot of those like Ross, what's it called? Bank? What's it called? What's that company called again? Rankin and bass. Rankin and bass. Yeah. It's like a lot of Japanese people were working on that shit too. Like for character. It's great. Like they did a good

53:22job. That's just, I mean, there are no, there are. Cache cation. Cache cation was the voice of Peter Katentay. Is that one? Was he real? Yeah, he was going to be pretty. He was eating with the oyster. Well, he, that motherfucker got all the voice, like voice gigs in that era probably. Yeah. Well, we do all, of course. Remember, uh, 1977's, the Easter bunny is coming to town. They were like, I don't know, man. Can we just like make a sequel to Santa Claus is coming to town? Oh, God. Also hosted by Fred Astaire's male carrier character, uh, all about the history of the Easter bunny and his jolly hobo friend. Oh, like that dude with a hat who was like, hey, kid, show, we could do. Wow. I honestly believe like over and over. They're like, we don't know what's wrong and they always make it a boy. Yeah. Which is like, will not give the idea, uh, that it's a woman or, you know, yeah. A female. A female. A female. Where are the females at? Easter bunny is a

54:24Easter. The best we got to do is get the man is poison, the man is fear. So people go like, man, this is actually these are female traits I'm seeing for the Easter bunny y'all. Keep this away from your kids. This should be a female. Uh, 2011's hop is probably the nadir for the Easter bunny. Uh, it's a movie in which Russell brand plays the Easter bunny son who's like about to inherit the throne, but runs away because he's more interested in drumming than delivering chocolate to children. A keyplot point involves him auditioning for David Hasselhoff for his band. He, it's like, it's unclear. Yeah. I mean, he's playing, I think maybe they were like, we get like David Letterman as like, you know, he can audition for like a late night show and they're like, no, no. Fuck no. Weird. I know nothing about this movie at all either. Oh, James Marsden's in it, man.

55:24This is one that like was in the rotation of children's movies, uh, when, you know, my kids, yeah, when I had kids. So I have seen parts of this and it's, yeah, it's a James Marsden joy. It was like where James Marsden got his wacky sidekick to animated character that's not really their chops that he would go on to display in the Sonic movies. Yeah. I was like, this bunny hop so Sonic could run. I got it. Okay. Cool. But I feel like in the same way that they had to make all priest's boys to like overcompensate for the erasure of the divine feminine and the Catholic church. They had to create an affront to feminine divinity by casting Russell fucking brand as the Easter Bunny. That's so crazy. Oh, shit. I like that. It takes place in the valley, though. The bunny runs away to Hollywood. It just ends up in Van Eyes. Just getting street tacos. I love it. Welcome. Welcome, dude. The Zanko on Sepulveda is great, dude. So it's fireworks.

56:25Yeah. The Easter Bunny does show up in the Santa Claus too. It's unclear if he was another regular guy that accidentally killed the previous Easter Bunny or not. But is it a person in a suit? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's terrifying. Jesus Christ. It looks like a retired football player. Yeah. Easter Bunny is like kind of big. Again, eyes right at the front of their head, but like tiny little eyes, you know, I like how in the Santa Claus is we go diverse and it's crazy more. Wow. Yeah. It looks a little offensive. I'm not going to lie. I don't know what to feel about this shit. Yeah. Easter Bunny just makes me feel real weird in every iteration. I'm like, I don't know. There's one I like it. Maybe just yeah, it could be because it's all weird, freaky man or like weird masculine, hooking figure bodies. Yeah. That'd be real, baby. Lola Bunny. You know what I mean? Thank you. Yeah. Miles, you're connecting with Lola Bunny. I think

57:29is that you recognize there's something correct there. There's something. Yeah. It's not in the front of Jesus Christ. That's right. You know what I mean? It's a testament to his perfection. I want to I'm going to start. I'm going to commission somebody to do Lola Bunny. Easter art of just her in like a virgin Mary. Yeah. Oh my god. Like Lola Bunny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In like a mid-summer outfit. Just like and that's what we should actually be. That's my Easter Bunny. Yeah. That's my Easter Bunny. Yeah. Yeah. That it exists on Deviant Art somewhere right now. I guarantee. Yeah. This is that thing. People have made Lola Bunny B and do everything. Of course. No. Yeah. I feel bad for her and do everything. I'm sorry, man. I know. Do the internet is locked up, dude. It's true. I mean, what's that movie with the I just made babans the Fox and then there's the cop rabbit. Zootopia. Zootopia. I remember seeing the first Zootopia and being like, oh no,

58:32this is too horny. The internet's going to be real weird about this. Yeah. Sure enough. Don't look at that. Yeah. Don't look at it. It's it's bad. Yeah. It's sad. I'm hoping a porn mile. Don't do it. Be careful. Not on the company computer. Jack. I can do where I want. So there's a number of Christians that seem to be pretty pissed. Wow. I told you, dude. Be careful. Watchy much. I was just losing to his collar and his eyebrows are wagging up in them. It's bad. Oh no. As mentioned, Christians seem to be a little bit pissed off that the bunny has distracted everyone from Jesus on his second most special day. Here are some headlines. Easter is not about the bunny perspective from a children's minister. It's not about the bunny from family faith builders beware of the bunny, the dark origins of Easter symbols from life hope and truth.

59:36So one way they've chosen to try to battle that is with articles like that on the internet. But they've also taken a different approach and there's been a number of awkward attempts to try to bring more focus back on Jesus by creating children's books about how Christ was friends with the Easter Bunny because that is honestly like if they're going to argue that the Easter Bunny is not like pagan in origin, we need to create a mythology where Jesus is just homies with the Easter Bunny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love how the Christians always have to do this shit like because kids ask questions like what am I supposed to say? They don't exist like when they're like yeah, Jesus and dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't a good thing. I remember they were told me in Lutheran school and not that they were saying. But they're like yeah. Of course, Jesus knew about the dinosaurs type shit. I'm like all right. Road around the one. Yeah. And now they're like, oh yeah, the Easter Bunny and Christ were fucking. Yeah. Yeah. 2023, there was the Easter Bunny meets Jesus. But 2024, we really start getting places with the story

1:00:42of the first Easter Bunny and it begins with the revelation that the Easter Bunny's mother is dying and the Easter Bunny is like in her room with her. There's like pictures on the wall and like frames that he's looking out a like modern window next to like a modern cup of coffee next to the bed. And we soon learned that it's supposed to be AD 33 and the Easter Bunny goes in search of Jesus to heal his mom. He's like calls him up on his iPhone or whatever. And the Easter Bunny is present at the last supper. And this is a children's book. We got to get this green. What is this called? The story of the first Easter Bunny. Oh, the first Easter Bunny. Ah, okay. Okay. Thank you. God is ass. This is goofy as fuck. This is crazy. This motherfucker is like hopping around

1:01:45fucking Jerusalem and shit. Yeah. He's just there on his knees next to Mary Magdalene as Jesus is being crucified. Oh my God. When Jesus rises from his tomb, the Easter Bunny is right there with Mary, mother of God, waiting for him to heal her. Wow. Holy shit. And when Jesus rises from the tomb, the Easter Bunny is waiting there with his with his sick mom being like, hey, man, what have you been, bro? So I know you said that you were going to help me out. Like, doesn't even, isn't even like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were done, bro. Yeah. Can you give me a minute here? Hey, like I said, the first thing that Jesus sees coming up with a tomb is someone being like, hey, you actually owe me an email back on this thing, but exactly just bumping it. Bumping it, please. Just one of the circle back on the sick mom thing.

1:02:52These, this book is in, oh my God. Wow. The author tried to make it sound like he had written the book as like an active revenge. He said, he wrote it to, quote, strike back at the secular culture, which is always trying its best to decrystionize our holidays, always trying to give children worldly messages, decrystionize holidays that have existed since 8,000 years before ancient Egypt. I'm trying to decrystionize everything. I'm trying to do that. You honestly, bro, the story is kind of fucking stupid. And you thought this was going to help out? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, show them. Show them. I wrote a children's book that's completely made up. I'm just like imagining within what, like 10 years, we're going to have people that like they believe that this is the origin. They'll be like, yeah, of course. Right. The Easter Bunny was at the Garden of Gisemini. The Easter 13 Apostles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Mary still is not part of the Apostles. She will

1:03:59not be counted. Right. It's got a body in there now instead. That's wow. Man. I'm surprised you don't have like a new shroud of terrain where they're like, this was the one that the Easter Bunny had on too. Yeah. Multiple shrouds. His cotton tail. Yeah. Yeah. How did the Easter Bunny and Judas get along? I want to know what their relationship was like. He has kind of a troubled look at the last supper. Like he kind of looks like someone who's watching a like alcoholic family member like drink, you know, like kind of his face is like a little bit of gas. Yeah. Okay. Is that Judas at the end of the table kind of being like, I don't know the first one. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's supposed to be him. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of looking off to the side like, oh, hey, where are you on that one? Dip shit. Maybe hopefully Jesus out. Yeah. Exactly. The fuck, rabbit. Yeah. I do like the implication is that all the other Apostles are just kind of like going along with it and like only the Easter Bunny kind of sees their problem here. Yeah. These fuckers are just sitting there

1:05:08all high and drunk and happy. Oh, yeah. Getting fucked up off their free wine and bread. Yeah. Unlimited breadsticks of wine at Olive Garden when you go to Jesus. Okay. The White House Easter Egg Roll usually has an Easter Bunny these days. That started in the 1969 and the Nixon administration. Thank God. Shout out Pat Nixon. The only weird interesting detail. You may remember like a couple years ago during the Biden administration. It was the 2022 Easter Egg Roll and like Biden was answering a foreign policy question in front of the media and the Easter Bunny like popped up and like Biden genuinely looked like he thought he had been interrupted by like a magical creature. Yeah. The bomb went off, didn't it? But if you look at it from another angle, it's clear that the bunny's like, hey, get the fuck out of here. You're not

1:06:10supposed to be talking to the press right now. Like it literally redirects him away. Yeah. It's kind of how so the role of the Easter Bunny is traditionally filled by a White House staffer or insider. We actually found out about this because one of the most retroactively famous White House Easter Bunnies is Sean Spicer who was the Easter Bunny for multiple years during the George W. Bush administration. Wow. Sean Spicer was the Easter Bunny during the Bush administration. Yeah. Damn. That's a 9-11 Easter Bunny. That's how you start, dude. That's how you get your start, man. Yeah. So you know, you can be one of the first people to debase themselves for the Trump administration. Yeah. Oh, great. But we don't know who is in this one this time. We don't fight that Biden one. But it makes sense that it was somebody who was like up on the agenda to like keep away from the press. Yeah. He's going to answer anything right now. Yeah. Yeah.

1:07:10That Easter Bunny goes up to the pressing. When the Easter Bunny pops in, Biden's going, Pakistan should not and Afghanistan should be, and then he like walks up and is like, is there audio here? What is he saying? But the Easter Bunny doesn't talk, sir, I'm gonna fucking beat the shit out of you if you answer another question. Okay, let's go. I can talk to him like that when I'm dressed like this. He thinks it's the actual Easter Bunny, so it's great. Yeah, he's got a squirt bottle and he's just like, no, no, get the president out of here. I want to make sure I get to eat all my eggs later. I better listen. I love a Cadbury. I'm gonna be actually credit Spicer is playing the Easter Bunny and National Treasure Book of Secrets because there is a scene set at the White House Easter egg roll.

1:08:12And I guess it would have been during that part of the administration. It could be somebody just submitting his name to fuck with him. Right. He would have done it himself. Honestly, I could see him being like, I'm gonna need that credit so I can go on dancing with the stars someday. I'm gonna work toward my sag hours. Yeah, right. Can't you get in Taff Hartley on these jobs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the second week in a row. We have Brandia thing where we ask, if this icon were alive during... And a real person. Would this icon be in the Epstein files? And usually it's been hypothetical. We did think that, you know, outside chance of Einstein, the way that like some of these academics got swept up in it. Stephen Hawking is on there. The Oracle would not have been only because he has his own jet pack.

1:09:13And he can just, he can, he can make whatever he needs to happen. That's right. The Oracle didn't need any. Yeah, especially as Stefan or Kel. Yeah. Last week, we did learn the Bart Simpson is in the Epstein files. Bart Simpson is in the Epstein files. Wow. So is the Easter bug. No. What? Oh, no. Was it like some fucked up nickname? Just like an email where I think Epstein said, no bunny. They said, uh-huh. Awesome. I will let Jeffrey know. I will see about redirecting the Easter bunny to J.E.'s house for you. As I'm sure that was your concern. Uh-huh. I don't know what that means. No clue what it means. But that's the bunny that we need to get to talk. That's one that we... It's going around Spicer. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But I mean, I guess as an entity, right? If the Easter bunny has agency, it takes it amongst us, has its own kind of thing going on. I feel like the Easter bunny is too fucking square.

1:10:14Yeah. What I mean. Yeah. You know, this... I mean, I get that it may be a symbol of fertility, but obviously for an icon, for a holiday, sort of aimed at kids, it's like, you old fucking bunny horn, you shit, bro. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I... I'm going to... I feel confident that if the Easter bunny were a real person, it would be boring as fuck. I wouldn't even want to kick it with the fucking Easter bunny. Yeah, yeah. I want to be talking about Christ's love and shit all the time. Uh-huh. The Easter bunny would be very like... One of those... Uh-huh. Unless it's Brandy as the Easter bunny. That's the only Easter bunny I would hang out with. That's what... I think we need Brandy as the Easter bunny in a major, a Hollywood motion picture. I would just... Yeah. I'm down for this. I could do this. I have the experience as a mall bunny to bring to the screen. And I... It feels like a great, like a A24 comedy about, like, just the, just the disparity amongst costume performers, but also like, the vibe of any sort of...

1:11:15Yo, this, this is it, this is it. So you know how, uh, we got bad Santa? Yeah. Yeah. Now we got that bunny. That bunny. That bunny. We got that bunny. Hey, hey. I'm definitely talking shit through the fucking mouthpiece. Oh, yeah. 100%. Like... That's a movie. We're making it. Yeah. You're smoke coming out of the rabbit head. It's fucking vapor. You pussy. I've got a blue, blue tooth speaker inside just blasting. Like my headphones at home, who cares? Yeah. It's all ragged on coming out of it. All the white parents are like, oh my god. B-b-b-b-b-boney. Yeah. I don't- I don't know, exact. My only pitch is we need to make him, uh, her again, and embrace the, may queen, midsomer of it all, because we- we just haven't. We haven't done it. It's a colorful, fun, uh, rebirth fertility festival. And then they keep making square guys, the, like, they keep turning it into just, like,

1:12:20like a nerdy guy or like fucking Russell brand. I think it's that because if it were, then everyone would be like, yo, let me see that thick gas version of the Easter Bunny. Let me see that thick gas, Mrs. Claus. Let me see that thick gas. This is a way to make it misty, like not overtly horny. Like in the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like just like something that let me get that thick. I mean, I think Lola Bunnies are thick. That is something Lola Bunnies are thick. On those, I'm like all the power they generate. I'm just saying, like those, they're powerful. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe she'd just be so powerful that you would it dain't to be like, I'm gonna sexualize this powerful figure. Yeah, like an Amazon kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like legs like the fucking Hulk. Like no, she'll kick this shit at you. You'll die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna fucked up, or the Easter Bunny doesn't fucking play. She's a fucking bad guy. Like I've always thought it's kind of underrated when Superman was first invented. He couldn't fly. He could just jump really high. And we don't have a character that is that anymore, right?

1:13:21That is like can jump crazy high. That would be great. Well, right, right. Power for the Earth's light. Yeah, the Earth's light. But like it's just jumping. How, what are we saying? How far, like far? Like we, she could go two miles in a single bound. Yes. 15 miles per bound. I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two miles is good. Cause I don't want you to clear a whole city, but I think that like, you know, get out of the traffic. That's great. If you got to be like, no, yeah, bro, she's gone, bro. I volunteer to be that. I would love to be able to know but of so many conversations. But I'm in. And it's clear two miles instantly from something. And then as much people when you land on them, like a fucking Mario, you know? Yeah. It's like, yeah, we're trying to help the Easter Bunny. We're just trying to help. But the, as far as like the, the people who are in charge of Easter iconography right now, we, we feel like you can do better. I feel like the candy could be like, we,

1:14:23we need like some concoction. Like they, that like brings, maybe, maybe like a peep, s'mores or something like that. That's like, you know, that's the same thing. That's the same thing. The peeps with like a chocolate bunny or a peeps turduckin something like that. Like let's have a little fun with the candy. Let's bring them to get. Bring them to an ingredients together, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm into it. I mean, yeah, I think we, I've landed on Easter Bunny is an icon despite itself. Yes, I think that's right. I think despite being mishandled, the Easter Bunny is iconic. I think the Easter Bunny is probably above leprechaun. Yeah, really, but in what sense? So in terms of iconography, in terms of like, I don't know. People probably have more warm feelings or have more of a memory. I think probably like just in terms of cute, like we talked on the Dolly Parton episode about how Dolly Parton has like the top, a top 10 Q rating.

1:15:25Yeah, you know what? Even as I say it, I think I'm wrong. I think the Easter Bunny doesn't have a Q rating on par with leprechauns. Does leprechaun mean something? Like what is like the, because you know, it stands for luck. Okay, it stands for, that's it. Like drunkenness and magic and witches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think once the, like wave of Asian immigration happened in the 50s and 60s, then that moved that previous immigrant classes up around an American society. And now you get to have a character that we all celebrate. Yeah, yeah, before we were sorry about all the races and when you guys first came over here in the late 19th century. Our bad, our bad. You guys make great cops. Yeah. Some of the best. Well, Brandy, such a pleasure having you as always. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you for lending us your expertise on Easter Bunny. Absolutely. Excited to come on and talk about it. Where can people find you, follow you all that good stuff?

1:16:26Yeah, I'm on Instagram and threads at Brand Dazzle. I have a new album that it just came out. It's called Milk Job. And you can see my picture of me as the Easter Bunny as the cover. And it's me holding my dog. I have a lot of tracks about my dog on that album too. And that I put out on my record label, which is called Burn This Records. And a lot of, can I just say this? Zeigen, y'all came through so hard when I was on like the last episode. I asked you guys to like subscribe to the Burn This Records YouTube page because I'm dropping the special of this album at the end of the month. And like hundreds of you signed up. I am like so close to like actually being able to like monetize when this comes out. And that like genuinely means, means so much. Like genuine, that means so much to me. So if you haven't done it yet, and but YouTube.com slash the at simple Burn This Records, I hate that you have to have the at symbol in there, but whatever. But like that, please go follow that. Cause like once I hit one K, then I'm able to actually monetize when I launch it. And like y'all have come through for me so much already.

1:17:27And like genuinely like that, like has been the highlight of the last several weeks to me. So like it really. It's really 79 right now. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We're almost there. Exactly. It melts so much to see. I know so many you listeners are on YouTube. Yeah. Cause half the time I'm discovering we watching the same shit on YouTube. Let's go get the subscribe. Please. That's it. It's passive and you're helping independent creators. Yeah. Fucking do shit outside of the norm. So yeah, come on now easy, easy. Yeah. I would really appreciate it. You've touched me already doing that. And I'm glad I can actually come back on this quickly and like say, like, thank you. And if more of you want to, I might like thanks extends to you too. It generally would mean a lot. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And then lady to lady too. Yeah. Lady to lady, of course. Yeah. Miles, anything from you, anywhere you want them to find you. Fuck that rabbit, bro, making all that sound. I fucking hate that shit.

1:18:27It's so, you know, you know, I'm supposed to come out of there. Yeah. In like multiple ways, like most things. This is all circling back to my dad. And this is what he made in life affecting the show. So things like date. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Many ways this goes back to my dad. Oh my. All right. I'm going to be right back. That's why you yelled at the server because there's no ice in the water. Yes. Yeah. I can deal with a lot. I'm going to be back right after this with my. Boom, boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Come on. Boom, boom. Boom. Boom. Where I tell you a little stuff that I forgot to talk about in this part of the show. So stick around for that and I'll talk to you all then. Thanks, Brandy. Thanks, Miles. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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1:24:42Let's see. So like we mentioned, it doesn't seem like there's quite the same people feeling called to dress up as Santa or Elvis or other icons. There is one guy who had sort of a super heroic relationship with dressing up as the Easter Bunny. You might have seen this viral story back in 2019 where a man and a woman in Orlando got into a fist fight on Easter, okay, Florida. And suddenly there's just a blur of white and an Easter Bunny rushes in and starts beating the shit out of the guy until the police come and break it up. And so that guy who was in that costume later crashed his motorcycle into a car port like at a different date, like not later that day. He then fled the scene, threw on his bunny costume again, which he apparently like kept at the ready like Spider-Man. And then they found him hiding in the back of a car

1:25:44at which point he told them I wasn't in any crash. I'm the Orlando Easter Bunny Google it. I don't know what protective powers he thought the Easter Bunny suit had for him, but shout out to that guy. Let's get more Easter Bunny as a calling dresser uppers and hopefully doing the first part of that job, not the motorcycle crash, the stopping people from beating up women. It's the feminist side of the holiday, as we talked about in the show. As for movies, there are a couple of other Easter movies besides Hop, so I don't want to make it seem like it's all Hop. Some people say mall rats is an Easter movie because they beat the shit out of the Easter Bunny. They pull a reverse Orlando Easter Bunny. There's also a few Easter Bunny themed horror movies like the Beaster Bunny, which based on the Wikipedia summary,

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