Husband Doesn't Realize Police Know He's The Killer

0:00Welcome to your top true crime hop for the variety and episodes you're looking for enjoy any mind the door was a glass door and as I stopped to open the door okay he he came out and and you like you know just your towards me it might have been two hours I don't know I feel like it I don't know what time it gets dark but I feel like it was getting dark at this point okay been quiet um I walked in he brought me a short distance um I feel like it was it was almost immediate from the door to an an additional door to on the right hand side okay um I feel like there was there was some kind of it might have been through another door there was some kind of a lobby area or open area to my left where there are other patients in a wedding room

1:04or not that I noticed but that there might have been I um I didn't walk through a waiting room I kind of came like directly in and then they don't have um he sat me down I assumed I assumed I was gonna get some sort of instructions um you know like she can do this she can't do that um you know like like I you know I had been doing I mean my my days were we're taking care of her do you know I you know it was like waking up in the morning you know so he said Mandy had passed away so I was I was extremely upset I was yeah like I thought I was I was coming there just just to pick her up and bring her back um he said he said he he wasn't sure

2:11what had happened that they were gonna that they were gonna find out because I asked what happened he said he wasn't sure they weren't sure what happened whatever it wasn't happened very suddenly and and he said that um he said that they were gonna find out um he said he had some forms for her left before he left and they let you go back and see her they did not um he had asked to see her I asked if I could see her and and he said not right now um I thought I I thought I thought it would be it was I thought it was because of the maybe like that the ottoxia or something I assumed I would have a chance to see her multiple times and I I never did did you give getting copies of this big war for giving this big war now I I signed it um I

3:13I mean I was I was I was extremely upset I I didn't know what to do so you didn't get to see her okay I did not get to see her ever okay to me because you were looking down the entire time like you have been tired time that you've been talking to me it's possible okay I tend to I tend to look down I'm in my head a lot you realize I've been doing this 28 years I I didn't say when Mindy had called you about taking the two tobs how what they was that she hadn't called me she had she sent me a message um she sent me a message on Tuesday I think I believe it was my day of Tuesday morning you're not really sure I'm not I'm not 100% sure that we could get them in the same morning you got the night if you believe it was actually if I

4:16ran a couple of errands on the way out I believe I I got gas I believe I stopped at Home Depot where'd you get gas it I don't know um it was then on the long trip to drop the tobs thanks being did not get you uh I did not you know sir did you love Mindy yes sir did you love her parents yes sir right in that thing you won't help us put all this together yes sir we need you to be truthful with us I'm sorry I'm being 100% truthful sir yes yes I am your phone your car's home the videos I mean who else has a look of going on a 25,000 acre property and getting captured on video the 45 minutes that you spent there

5:19at one location with the tobs in the night your DNA sir I didn't I did not hurt my wife did you just pose over no sir you did no sir and out of this is showing that sir and you're elaborate two hours of story that you gave in Pennsylvania you know how many items you being an attorney you should realize how many of those can be disproven sir I have not liked you at all you've been living in the web of last for a long time no that's when you're fighting I can tire all these people the microsoft stuff I think I think Jim has lied to me for a long time I do believe that I don't believe Jim exists sir Jim absolutely exists I don't know if that's his real name but he absolutely exists I mean

6:21the the things that we the things that we did for years the the places we said you didn't feel a responsibility to pick up the phone and say hey has it been taken care of no he told me to have been taken care of I never I never heard anything else so you and Mindy lived with her didn't you no sir you never lived together the three of us the three of you no sir never never sir okay what about all the money you got you can live off when you can make all these moves with Jim you said Jim was providing you money Jim and friends I said sir Jim and friends yes what about just one friend yes sir yeah it was it was it was the majority it became from one friend they're either friends to get this money as well have you ever been without money yes sir and desperate yes sir when was that um February right right before we went to uh right before we went to uh franka maggots

7:24if you ever lied in court no sir okay when you testified that you had 32 million dollars yes sir that was true I believe it was true sir you believe it's true I believed it was true I I don't know it's believe me more sir why did you believe that was true because I had documents that you've been provided to me that I had that I had 32 million dollars did you get an earn no that I had worked around the clock on these projects okay so you thought it was from your project yes you were around that and you had thirty two million dollars did close we lied I mean yeah we I guess we got fairly close in November okay so why would you tell her an optiver that your wife and dad will break it because I had to tell everyone okay why did you tell him when I left that lie what why would you tell everyone that lie because my understanding was that why that both of our online world or this this goes back to this respect to fall 2020 I mean you got very sick she was the point of that is that's a lie

8:34that was a lie on well yes sir you continue telling other people that she was alive and well when she was dead and then you continue to tell people vice versa that she was dead leading up when she was alive and well yes sir multiple people yes sir friends and family I'm sorry sir can you repeat that question I'm not trying to say but you continue to tell people the story that she had died while pregnant yes sir even before she was dead sir for I was told starting in 2020 that Jim felt that we had both got too close to people online that we were talking too much we had rules about when we could talk to friends and why not just not talk to people why are you telling lies that people that you're befriended on the internet because we were we were cut off for why are you telling lies that you people that you weren't cut off from what lie

9:36side tells people I was I was the same story that she was I had died while pregnant and that's the case with your online stuff why start a new relationship with somebody else that you really don't know seconds I was as a man remember the old times I was your story I'm not sure I do say I always tell the truth it's easier to keep up with the lie you kept up with a lot of lies a lot of stories and then I'm going to turn out to be true I gave you two hours in Pennsylvania we went after every and I've been through every one of them in the evidence that cooperate shows shows that you're continuing to lie until the story I'm not lying to you make your own and I was talking about this now's the time to stop living all this here's to deal there's a reason it nearly died yes okay you know yes you know very well that reason as you killed her I did not the big question is why sir I would never have killed Wendy I woke up in the morning and I took

10:39care of her I I rubbed her back I rubbed her leg and she wasn't pregnant so she was doing January she was not pregnant she was not pregnant you know she was pregnant even the times that they were y'all were saying that she was pregnant she was not I did not all the evidence shows that you killed me and we'll continue to show it's got a thousand piece puzzle you burned some of the pieces you've thrown some of the pieces away we'll never have all the pieces it's very clear you made that absolutely sure we won't have the pieces but we've got enough to see a very clear picture and to show that picture to a jury and that jury is going to include one thing the same thing I'm telling you we you killed Wendy no doubt when you placed our body out there you did us some favors where you placed it it preserves some things you weren't expecting her to be found so quickly sir I never I never I never saw her until she died I never hurt Wendy you did hurt Wendy

11:48no I fed her I I helped her out of bed I I did do it started an armed relationship with somebody online you were running out of options you're running out of funds no sir did you discover the lie that Mindy wasn't pregnant no sir because she wasn't I thought she was pregnant that Jim is so good at his job but protecting you while waiting up protect her why would I come forward with any evidence now I think I think Jim lied to me about a million things how you will be up for your father who being able to find you I don't I don't know but I don't I don't I don't think Jim was telling you the truth about anything he just appeared out of nowhere

12:51he's followed you in multiple states and he just appears so are you alleging that Jim killed your wife I don't know but I think it's possible okay so and the doctors conspired that created this fake doctor facility of a name that you don't even know a location you don't even know I saw the road pick up from that you see your wife just so happens your phone even your car shows clearly where you were at down this lone dirt road it just happened to pass a camera and tracks your every movement to stop at the marathon store off the interstate where you swap your car all those records purchasing the knife to go do the ski to work in November yes sir would you find that exact now or that exact now for exact now two hours later in so sorry I told you where that knife is that that's not there I know exactly where that

13:55half is sir I told you that knife is in the back of that to my GBI problem it's a case that the UBI problem it's a factory it was found out there with a black tooth so you can continue with the web of lies in the story there's always reasoning for things is your reason that you're just a vicious killer in the side of the career wild for the joke in some kind of argument what was your motive for killing her I never hurt my life the story is not what you're telling why is it so different what do you mean sir your elaborate story of on the run all this time and all the periods of stuff in the web of lies why is it so different than what happened with her on the record show the evidence shows the DNA shows why is all that is you're being set up is what you're saying I don't know okay I don't understand so your phone and your own person did you say

15:00it was turned off yes sir still goes to those containers on a property that's 25,000 acres down the dirt road 40 minutes from the house in Savannah that matches the GBI all the stuff matches that knife that you purchased at Home Depot ends up there as well the cleaning the purchasing the credit card swaps the story that continued to lies that you told to many others some people who you think are still on your side or actually some of the best witnesses against you they know the story and they're going to tell that story when they testify the capital one card you're using for all this years getting food take out lodging paying for all the places the Airbnb's the burbles you stayed up we have all those records yes sir enter in silence the current yes sir

16:00so you're saying this fee everybody's created all these records of items that were on your person on that same very day in the same very vehicle you were driving at that location you don't want to coincidence this is what that were and the chances or probabilities of that happened in certainly just like the air plane that is inflated into this room right now yes that ain't going to happen yes sir none of this feels random to me but I don't understand it but I know where that knife is the day that you bought the knife and traveled down the road where's you got I left I suffered gas I suffered home depot I believe I stopped and talked to Jim with Mindy's body in the car yes sir no sir and then I drove out there out where I don't know I I I believe I had an address to a church and then I

17:09had a GPS location after that the first story was you had GPS coordinates yeah that's yes you made it nothing of a rest I'm a dress of me yeah so but I've been trying to think about this I believe they said to go to a church like not not to pull in but I believe it was like a weight line like it would believe they say okay so Mindy didn't tell you this I forget I forget exactly so you forget out back the same story it's easier to remember how I'm sorry you're says it's easier to remember the truth why we're talking here today so many more lies keep coming up no sir I sorry I've done weird stuff for years back to your travels of the days you bought the knife yes where'd you get I I stopped for gas I stopped at home depot I believe then I stopped and spoke to Jim

18:10and then I drove to location I was supposed to go to okay well what did you do there I stopped the gentleman came out of the house the 40 minutes that you were dead there's no house that that 40 minutes did you stop dead so I can we can cut the house out if he's alive sir you don't have to remember a house because there was no house I stopped at a house how long did you stay I'm not exactly sure he talked to me for a couple of minutes about something he was doing he had some stuff in his right here I said what else did you do I I so if I could go to the bathroom I peed behind a tree he directed me over there I removed the the things from the from the back of the car and and I don't know we go over the things left you said you removed from the car at this house

19:18where were they left right just on the ground yeah he said you he said you would take care of him okay how close to the house 30 40 feet there is no house remember so they're I stopped at a house you may have stopped at a house but when you took the containers out there is no house there's a reason why that keeps sticking in your head you said in Pennsylvania you took them out he falls and said I set them in the dirt like gray and black container and it wasn't your personal property that was in those containers it was Mindy no sir but I had packed those containers by sublips here a lot of time he did pack on yourself with your wife's dismembered body sir that's not true that is true and you had them in your car when you drove down that dirt road say that is not true that is what you placed in the dirt 30 or 40 feet off the runway say that is not true that is absolutely true Nick exactly what the records say so that is not

20:20what happened I don't know what you know about the country and dirt roads and the properties you are wrong that you've ever been to that type property before but you happen to hit the security cameras on interest to 25,000 acres which is a very large property your phone and your vehicle's phone everything ever stop is recorded you understand that yes sir okay if you say so your 40 minutes that you're there you're at the exact same spot where your wife's torso was found the other stop where you dug with the shovel and hit roots and hit roots that's recorded on the very same information the next spot that you stopped and buried hers it's cold it's covered it's exact same stuff even the next spot with the leg is covered so the stop sir I mean it's like

21:24what you did on TV it's not there's no issues here it's very clear so the big question is the very question big question it's even the pictures there's pictures of them you going by on a property you may have seen a log truck ahead of you um there's a big big truck hauling wood um guys as far as you down there the big question is why it's no longer if so a big question the big question is why sir never hurt many okay you never carried her to the doctor or she never went to the doctor if you never went to the doctor a doctor didn't come by your house to do those checks yes you came directly from that house to that location it's very clear from from your house to Home Depot to the scene the multiple scenes I guess we would say those tops are recorded captured by your car

22:28they're actually cooperated by your cell phone that you say is turned off um but apparently your particular phone still records and still sends out pings or messages that overlap with that so the big question is were you asked to go to a location and retrieve him in his body or did you kill her and transport her or does something happen in that house that you just can't talk about and then you dealt with from there is it clearly it started at that house then it went home sir I know none okay none of this happened okay we know it happened he's clearly that it happened so you're saying that the sale records were wrong the pictures were wrong from the security cameras um everybody's wrong with this whole picture your your purchase of welcome from home I mean the holiday boat that purchases I never heard

23:29Mindy I never I never saw Mindy after she passed away and you're going to stick with the last time you saw her was winning was Saturday where at the house where we had the house so how long does he stay in the house before she was going are you telling me like you came on in fact found her dead or what's the story no sir I'm saying I can't hear when she was gone I got messages for her from her for days telling me things to do things we needed I've been doing this 28 years I don't watch a lot of them but a lot of people watch TV shows and stories read a lot of books that have these kind of stories in them you have characters that you've envisioned and made in your stories and some of your stories but none of your stories before a jury in Georgia are going to guide once you understand that up front it's a very clear picture even though the puzzle

24:33you burn some of the pieces um you shifted and manipulated some of the places you've constantly lied to many many people in your life and it's continued those lies that's not going to continue you understand that right the big question is why sir anything I ever lied about I was told to lie about anything so right now if you said you killed her you'd say it because I was told to lie sir I never killed her so if GM told you to say that you would say that no sir okay so my point is everything you do if GM told you to jump off a cliff you were going to jump off a cliff you live in a web of lies you're for one of your close friends described you best said you we talk in parallel realities it's like the story you sold them it blends in the truth of what's going on in your life with what you want it to be that's what you're doing here no sir you bought

25:37a knife for a window screen that you were fixing to lead this Airbnb yeah so you bought this knife you go back to the house from indies and then you go out here with these two totes that are packed with stuff and put them in a place where her body's found no sir left them with the man you did not leave them with the man yes I did you did not leave them with the man your car is traveling out there he's already told you we put you and you're selling your device in your vehicle out there in these places where your wife's body is found this member with the knife that you just don't no sir that knife that knife the mill lock you know the Pennsylvania yes that knife the knife the knife that's it sir told you exactly where to find it okay have you looked there kiss and it's not there just a carbon steel blade it wouldn't be burned up in the car very clear

26:39I'm doing the thing I'm doing the thing and there's one other place it could be that knife's really irrelevant because that knife was only used in the end it's not didn't have anything to do it actually the murder or the killing it all and that knife was after the fact how would I know that I have no idea sir I don't know that I can't say anything I'm not a lot of really 28 years of doing this like I see it your story's fine but your story's not reality even to the point of the new wife you know when you apply for a marriage license yes sir okay remember applying for that marriage license yes sir remember the questions it has yes sir okay what did you say on that marriage license I said that I'd been married once I said that indeed passed away in 2020 okay two things that Jim told me to put down so you lied because Jim told you lie yes sir is Jim telling you to lie here today no sir I spoke to Jim and

27:44a little clear on the timeline and you're gonna clear on a lot of stuff when it comes to as you travel fleeing all the way to Missouri not fleeing sir okay so you changed your name well you told me you were fleeing from your father so you were not fleeing from your father's deal well I mean I was trying I thought that I thought that the name change was the culmination of years of work to okay keep us safe we had been among our friends and family and you've been using that name for so then years then you get a marriage license and you get married um and back up a little bit before that when you got start getting pressured to move into a house and get away from Airbnb's the car mysteriously burns with all your money in it um you know so you won't be able to close on a house impermanently so was it time to look for a new wife no sir so what was your plan from there I plan from there was I was expecting I was expecting more money

28:49from Jim and that we would then to to you know allow me to move on and live when was your last contact with you my last contact with Jim I don't know it's probably around the time the the marriage license was we applied for it or shortly thereafter because he had to tell you what but on there yeah you would know what the lie to be yes okay he told me that there were things I had to lie about to to keep myself safe did you lie but then keep your things safe from your dad yes okay so if you're worried about your dad and he's this bad guy that you're terrified of that you're going to all this hiding all these years living off everybody else's finances and being a hermit basically then when you get locked up for this you reach out to them I reached out I had been in for five days I couldn't contact anyone and I reached out to Alice do you know your

29:53story is just so unbelievable um everything you say and has continued to say it's been a lie your life's a lie um the evidence shows so I believe I lie two for years and I know then I think you continue to lie about your own admission you have continued to lie multiple times you say it's lying on behalf of Jim yes so but then now you're sent to just literally your lie about that day um about which day the day of the 29th when your cell phone records you go on where your wife's body's found or torso's found and where the pieces of her body are found at other locations and how that tracking in that area shows you being there how the camera show you being there and you're saying oh no I wasn't there is that what you're saying sir I don't know what what location that shows I know I was in a more rural area it's where you live like the body I never hurt my life yes you do I've never but I never

30:59got a hand on a woman I did not hurt Mindy but you lie and you lie a lot about a lot of things and have continuously lied sir I've been told I've been told to lie in certain situations do you feel safe you've been in the attorney before in your previous occupation with the Navy for how long I was an attorney in the Navy for roughly 10 years so you can realize you've prosecuted cases where soldiers have murdered their wives oh no sir you never prosecuted anybody that yes okay but you prosecuted anybody that murdered someone no sir never never murder prosecuted but you have cases that show and you understand preponderance of evidence and proof beyond reasonable value yes okay we go from preponderance of evidence to proof beyond reasonable value okay you know where we're at with that point tell me help me support that story help me show that you didn't do it sir I'm trying to I'm trying to tell you everything I remember

32:06back to way back when you get married you go through this whole spill the whole thing didn't all of a sudden something happens I ask you why you get out of the military why did you get out of the military we didn't want to be moving around all the time okay fine we we were going to start family we ready to start a family okay that didn't work out with your first wife no sir okay no she that didn't work out with him Andy um that was not going to work out with Samantha I don't understand I thought it I thought it was working out with Wendy right and I hoped it would work out with Samantha but obviously so that's been the continuous thing as you were ready to start a family yes sir I always wanted to say what I thought you lied to the military and on your official resignation when you said your purpose for resignation um you didn't have anything to do you would want to start a family the lie was Wendy was in a car wreck and you needed to care for your

33:12wife you don't remember your resignation from the Navy from the from the from activity or from the reserves either way you don't remember your resignation letter I remember drafting I believe two resignation letters one for active duty I've been talking about active duty so you want about your your resignation for both what was your reasoning for representing I I don't recall um you just told me it was it's our family so the the reserve one I believe I had to put in you know I sure had a lot of the same bullshit stores no we didn't have a car accident you have been that again the parallel realities that you created in these lies you said you want to start a family you don't want to move around but what have you done what have you been doing you've been running sir we believe we were in danger we we thought we were running from away right you can see this

34:13very clearly just the big question is why did you just get tired of her um where you want to move on because she was not pregnant there's some type of argument that she struck you sir that led to that you know sir the biggest question is why you killed her sir why you disposed of her sir you got to that point and it broke whatever it was that made you snap whether it was you just had to get out you didn't want to tell her you wanted to leave you didn't want to accept that she wasn't pregnant or you you were scared and terrified and now you have this new relationship that was up and budding and you did this is somebody had never met her now you're married after you tell your your former in-laws after you tell them you fabricate a message and send it to them and tell them that you've done the car wreck I did not do that you did do I did not do that you did do that but you and you tell other people and then people reach out and they find you again yeah I was trying to

35:15you got Jim hiding you out on this big top secret security stuff if people still reach out and find you and say hey Nick or you I heard your daughter you're okay yeah I'm okay I'll just yeah a car bird up yeah Cameron reached out and I told you about this I was really concerned because she said that that they thought I had died and they were calling around saying that I had died in a car accident and so if Cameron could find you why weren't you terrified somebody else good I thought I thought that at this point that that I was safe that the name change was the last step in being allowed to live a life you know and not be hunted in lots of people we deal with we deal with people at last and continue to lie if people would make mistakes and get it off your chest while you're sitting back here waiting for months and months and time you know you had the opportunity to tell the truth sir I told the truth to the best of my building it's true it's just too hard to tell no so you've continued to lie your lie from the beginning and you continue to lie to eat it and that's where we're at you understand that

36:16so this is your opportunity here now to say what happened in that room at that house with her with Mandy sorry nothing happened okay that's it all right sir you really gonna put it right and that's it through all this sir I never I never heard they love you sir I like them do you love Mandy yes sir because the evident shows that you never did that they were really loved and went into a rage sir now you've listened now go to your thing