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Real America’s Voice — Human Events with Jack Posobiec, March 5th, 2026. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human This is what happens when the 4th turning meets 5th generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and form a Navy intelligence veteran. This is human events with your host, Jack Persobic. Christ is King. New video of US forces destroying what the Pentagon describes as an advanced Iranian warship. The US says 20 Iranian naval vessels have now been sunk. Iran's threat to set ships ablaze in one of the world's busiest trade routes is raising some concerns about the implications for the global economy. The Strait of Hormuz is a critical oil shipping route that links the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Oman and eventually the Arabian Sea. Overnight, the first charter flight leaving the Middle East carrying Americans back home to safety.
It's the race to get out of the region intensifies. The State Department says its round-the-clock task force has been able to help evacuate 6,500 US citizens. In Beirut, some airlines are getting more use to the risk. This plane taking off through the smoke of an Israeli air strike. Overnight, Senate Republicans rejecting a bill to block further military action in Iran unless the president gets congressional approval first. The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. The power to declare war is ours. If we give it up, then we are turning our back on the Constitution and our responsibilities to the American people. Only one Republican, Senator Rand Paul, joining the majority of Democrats to back the resolution. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says he is willing to help the U.S. Israel and their Middle East allies defend against Iranian Shahid drones for a price. Russia has used those drones extensively against Ukraine since the start of the war.
Zelensky says Ukraine is prepared to share what it has learned about stopping them if Russia agrees to a month-long ceasefire. So far Moscow has rejected any ceasefire proposals. We will do our best, including with other countries of the international community in the United Nations Security Council and the United Nations General Assembly. We will do everything to create an atmosphere that will make this operation impossible. Are you afraid of a U.S. invasion in your country? No, we are very afraid of them. You are waiting for the U.S. military to invade the ground troops? Yes, because we are confident that we can confront them. And that would be a big disaster for them. Please, John, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events. Daily, we're here live, real America's voice today is March 5th, 2026, Anno Domini. President Trump, anointing and appointing, I should say, Mark Wayne Mullen to be the new Secretary of Homeland Security.
Currently, the Senator from Oklahoma, this of course, will potentially set up an appointment or special election there from Governor Stitt, Mark Wayne Mullen. Having served President Trump, of course, putting a tweet up now, truth social up, saying that he is highly respected. That Christy Nome has served us well and has had numerous spectacular results, including on the border. We're moving to be special envoy for the shield of the Americas, our new Security Initiative in the Western Hemisphere. We're announcing on Saturday, tomorrow, in Daryl, Florida. I thank Christy for her service at Homeland. And of course, Marco Rubio, more than excited that he has not been given yet another position, not sure if he can be both. Mark Wayne Mullen has been serving for 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, three in the Senate. Mark Wayne has done a tremendous job representing the people of Oklahoma. And says he is an America first. He's the only Native American in the Senate.
Mark Wayne Mullen is fantastic advocate for our incredible tribal communities. Mark Wayne will mark tirelessly to keep our borders secure, stop migrant crime murderers and other criminals from illegally entering our country and discourage of illegal drugs and make America safe again. Mark Wayne will make a spectacular secretary of Homeland Security. Thank you for attention to this matter. Of course, appointing a senator. President Trump knows from past experience that, of course, appointing a senator is more likely to be confirmed by the United States Senate. Remember, you need 50 plus one votes there. And of course, appointing a member from their own body is always going to be more helpful. Secretary Rubio, for example, received 99 votes during his confirmation process. So, President Trump obviously looking to do that in derral. It's that summit of the America is going on this weekend security summit with today focusing on counter counter cartel operations. Iran continues their operations in, excuse me, the United States continues their operations in Iran.
The war continues. The special military operation continues. And Iran continues their strikes on the Gulf countries and Israel. We look at UAE has faced the brunt of their attacks. And I believe we do have a chart from the Institute of the study of war that's walking through this. So, over a thousand strikes on UAE, just over 500 on Kuwait, then Israel, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Oman really shows the amount of strikes on the UAE, showing the, if we could put a chart, put the map up here and actually show the retaliatory strikes here, we can walk through this a little bit that they've really focused very heavily on Gulf nations rather than Israel. Most of Iran's retaliatory strikes as of now have targeted the United Arab Emirates, an American ally. And one of the reasons for this that I've been talking about is that Iran is focused on this asymmetric warfare because they know the UAE doesn't have the level of air defense, air support that Israel does with the iron dome.
And then, of course, the Ford carrier strike group, they're sitting off the coast of Haifa. So, an opportunity for them to inflict economic pain asymmetric warfare in the asymmetric space on America's allies in the Gulf, but also potentially drawing them into the conflict more on this next as Human Events Daily continues here on Real America's Voice. And in our way, and our golden age has just begun. This is Human Events with Jack Pasova. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right folks, Jack Pasova back live here Human Events Daily Real America's Voice.
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You know, I want to do if I can get your immediate reaction to this news regarding the secretary of homeland security moving over to this new position. The special envoy to America's shield sort of the don row doctrine of the southern southern America's. And Mark Wayne Mullen coming in this is the first this is big right this is the first time that we've seen in the second Trump term that a cabinet level official has made a transfer like this has made a move like this. What do you think is going on? What do you think is precipitating this? This was inevitable so I mean there were really two choices here. We've been plagued by a lot of stuff. Not only what was happening with ice, but you know questions about contract jack and and bidding and recruitment. So there was really two choices and find another utilization for her and get her out from underneath the line of fire or wait for Democrats to take aim and do their thing.
It's better and smarter to move her now and get her out of there now. I don't know if everybody saw it but the other day with line of questioning with Kennedy and Tom Tillis is a blow hard who's not going to face the voters because he went against Trump too much so he's going to tuck tail and run. But somebody like Kennedy having that exchange that he did with her really was a sign that look if Democrats take the house and door of the Senate coming in November. I have baggage like that laying around. It was smart. It had to move her over had to had to shout it up. And I understand she's speaking right now although I don't believe she's actually discussing it so we may cut to that on. Remarkers voice but I think we'll continue the interview on on the stream here I don't know if she's taking questions at all actually guys let's tell you what let's let's dig into it for a second let's see if she's let's see if she's discussing the situation can we do that guys.
We've also taken 1.7 billion lethal doses of drugs off our streets and stop them from coming into the United States that means 1.7 billion people will still be with us because of the work that our agencies and our work has done. Our Coast Guard is an important asset in the Department of Homeland Security and they've worked with us and maybe I've worked with some of you in the room as well to help interdict those drugs and stop them from coming into our country. Now President Trump has been working hard to make sure that he's delivering on what he promised the American people and that's to make America safe again. Doing so we have gone out and found over 1,500 known and suspected terrorists that were led into this country over the open border invasion that we saw during the last administration. Those 1,500 individuals who are already on our known and suspected terrorist watchlist have been brought to justice and removed we know there's many more but we're going to still continue to look for them to find them and to do all that we can to make sure that this country is safe.
So that we've also arrested and removed over 7,700 gang members, TDA members, MS-13, Sinaloa cartel. The President is extremely focused on fighting cartels and recognize them as a foreign terrorist organization so that we can have new authorities to go after them and we'll be working throughout the western hemisphere with all the countries to make sure that we're biting the snake off cutting its head off with fighting the cartels before they ever reached the United States. Stopping the drug flow, stopping the guns and ammunition from getting here and hurting our families in the homeland will continue to work together to make sure that we have the opportunity to do that. To everybody in the room that puts on a uniform that wears a badge that steps out every single day and does something that so few others do put your life on the line for your brothers and your sisters and your families and you do it in your home community. Thank you. I also want to lay. All right. Well, that was Kristi Nome. She's speaking there at the summit of the Americas down at Trump D'Arral. Rich Barrett's going to bring you back in here.
So, you know, she's she's speaking this. What do you think this looks like? Does this look like turmoil within the White House? I'm sure that's how the mainstream media is going to to highlight it. What would you say? I think this was smart by the president. This was a smart move. He had to do it. She was rattling off a lot of accomplishments right there. Let me just say this, Jack, what, you know, saying too much. There was a lot of good work done at the Department of Homeland Security. There was let's not forget what the border looked like when Donald Trump came into office. We were being invaded. And God knows who's in this country right now as the country engages in a conflict with Iran. God knows who came across the border when Joe Biden was president. So there was a lot of and look, she has the right to rattle off those accomplishments and the president has a right to tell those accomplishments, but just let it be, you know, let it serve as a bit of a warning going forward to other people. Put the movement first. Don't let problems that you have overshadow the great accomplishments that this president has made. Put the movement first. The media will spin it that way. And the president did did the right thing here, the smart thing by doing it now, getting out in front of it. And let's move on.
Well, I think that's that's what the president is certainly doing here. The president getting ahead of anything. No, I'm still going to be in the administration, though. So he's not, you know, the soft landing over as the special on voice or someone that he's not putting out, of course, with Mark Wayne Mullin that will set up either, you know, that's a safe seat. So I don't think there's going to be any question over whether or not that would really challenge or threaten the balance in the Senate. Although, quote, of course, lead to a special election or a after look at where he's at in terms of his in terms of which class he's in in the Senate as whether or not he's up again. And then or potentially just a just appointment by governor sit. Yeah, I mean, it is an opportunity. I know sometimes he's coming to the conflict with, you know, the core of mag of the most part, Mark Wayne Mullin is solid, right. The only question is whether or not there are, look, even in some of the red estates out there guys, there are a lot of rhinos. So it's just something to keep an eye on when, when the time comes.
But this is a good move. He's the right guy. I think on this issue. I don't think mag will have any problem with him whatsoever. Not yet. I don't anticipate that anyway. I don't think so. Certainly not in this capacity. I think that's actually it's actually a great appointment for him. I'm really, really something that I would be supportive of. I'm not, you know, I'm not someone who had any issues with Christy gnome either as Secretary of Homeland Security. I think she's done an admirable job. I think she's always. And what I'll say about this is what I always appreciated from Secretary gnome is that she's always stood up from ice actually for ice. That she's taking questions. So let's let's dip into that. Let's dip into that again. My name is Chris Galligan. I'm the vice president of San Francisco Police Officers Association. First of all, I just want to say thank you for recognizing major cities and all of our police unions here across the nation. It means a great deal for you today. So thank you for that. My question, local officers have increasingly been on the front lines of Homeland Security. Yet we are still funded and staff like a city responsibility, not a national one.
How will DHS ensure local agencies aren't carrying federal priorities on local budgets and with local staffing. So you maybe have some challenges in San Francisco just because of your state laws and local laws that mean although you've got a mayor that works with us very well. He probably doesn't want me to talk about it a lot. But he has been cooperative and we have great conversations and talk quite often and many times in doing law enforcement in your city. If the federal task force is coming in, you know, it's more preferable for the FBI to lead. And the Department of Homeland Security to come in and supportive rules, which is what we've done and that works very well in your city. Thank you for your focus there too. I think the city is seeing some dramatic improvements under this leadership. When you talk about funding, we have tied a lot of our funding that we have for enforcement this year and prioritized over 1.5 billion. All right, so we're back. So she the Christian on there taking questions regarding DHS not necessarily about any of the changes from DHS just current operations.
I'll go back to Rich, you know, just a minute and a half before we leave because I do want to get into sort of some of the talk about Iran and how that's coming down. Rich, as the president is going into this midterm year, look, this is the time of year where we would expect to see some staff turnover, isn't it? The time in a term, I should say. It is actually, I mean, we're going to we're going to be coming up very soon on some jobs. I know there's a lot of talk about Dambon Geno, right? I mean, Dambon Geno's role as well. They don't last that long in those roles. This is not just unique to a Trump administration. We're at that point, even after the midterms, particularly a lot of people will be discussing changes, turnovers, leaving now you won't hear a lot of that talk out in the open. But after the midterms, there will be changes made. I mean, this is the nature of things. I mean, the media makes a big deal about it when it's a Republican president and they love to do it to Donald Trump. But if you go back and look at the Obama years, same thing, the Biden years, same thing.
Guys, some of these jobs will burn somebody out. They are not easy. You don't get paid very much for them. You, uh, they're thankless. You're constantly being criticized and they're very long days, very long hours. So, uh, this, it's normal. We're getting to that point. You're exactly right. Yeah, I think we're getting to that point. You know, this isn't, um, this isn't something really that, again, as you say, if this were the Biden administration, nobody would be talking about it. So, we'll reach Paris back human events daily. Five to see the trade today, you know, they talk about influences. These are influences and they're friends of mine. Jack or something. Where's Jack? All right, Jack or something back alive human events daily real America's voice.
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This is something where you do see MAGA America first tend to have this divide and a lot of that includes by the way the low prop voters that president Trump won in 2024, the independence, the younger voters, the people who hadn't come online before. Those were the ones who really came out in 2024 and of course Charlie Kirk and turning point were such a massive massive role in terms of that. For them anti war and domestic policy were some of their most important reasons for voting for president Trump and JD Vance who they viewed as the peace ticket. Now when you get to that 40 45 mark on the plus side of that maybe even the 50 plus mark on the plus side of that that's where you see the needle start moving towards more support for interventions more support for war in Iran more support for Israel etc etc. It's really that generational divide where we see the issue rich bearers do we have them back.
You do buddy I'm here to have you. Okay great. I was just talking about how. Yeah, I hope you're not driving off the interstate there. I was talking about how we have this generational divide that we're seeing when it comes to a lot of these issues and particularly when it comes to the operation in Iran, but really just foreign policy in general. Where where the younger voters the low prop voters tend to want to see more of that focus on domestic policy you've been out in the field you're working on a poll tell us what you're seeing out there. Yeah, this is something you know before the war in for six months and we have the White House focus tracker on big data poll people should go and check it out. And you'll see that young people driving this predominantly under 50 millennials generation Z right they want a government that focuses on them and focuses on their needs at home. They have no appetite for war even millennials Jack of which you know I'm a line of generation acts millennial.
You know we're the 9-11 generation they don't want it. I mean they've been they live through this already in their over it so this idea that there's going to be more appetite as time goes on. It's just incorrect because they had been kind of seen this happen in you know over the last six months or so they kind of expected it and they were doing everything in their power to tell their their leaders that this is not what they wanted and it happened anyway where in the field right now. And this is something I want to throw out I've been warning people who really do support Israel you have a huge age signal on this and there's not a lot of sympathy for Israel out there right now and this they're going to be fair or unfair. I'm not arguing either one either way fair unfair they are going to be blamed by these younger voters for their government not focusing on their needs we ask people whether or not they think. Israel has too much focus or too much influence on US foreign policy and Jack it's 60% it's 60% and it's driven largely by people who are under 50 you know that if you're older if you're the boomer.
Baby boomer generation you know you see the world dramatically different than how younger voters see the world people who are younger than baby boomers see the world they simply can't afford. You know while boomers may think it's not that big of a deal younger voters think I simply can't afford a government that isn't focused on the domestic agenda anymore it's a very different world view and it's a very it's just about priority Jack it's about priorities. And this is something that we've seen on and on again I know that the guys over on the Charlie Kirk show earlier today had a couple of turning point students on who came up from different universities and that's exactly what they were saying that's you know this isn't something that we're sort of just you know just spitballing here I hear it when I go and talk to college students turning point students I know you see it when you're talking to people I get it when I see the emails coming in especially the under 30 crowd man it's especially under 30 crowd.
I mean look Jack it's we live in different economic realities right and they have a different. A different inheritance than prior generations before they're inheriting a huge debt they're inheriting much much more difficulty in doing something like buying your first home even myself Jack I mean I have no problem sharing this it took me until I was 38 years old to build my own house you know so it why that's just the world we lived in we had one crisis after the other one war after the other it the economy is just not the same as it was for older generations right and those students what did they what did they talk about in that interview I mean what did she say affordability overall but housing right gas prices I can't buy a vehicle this is not something you want to hear from people and it or I would say this is not what you have the environment the environment you want to have at home if you're trying to build support for a foreign entanglement or foreign conflict it's about priority they don't have the luxury of caring about freedom for the Iranians when they're worried about the future of their freedom at home it's that simple and you're never going to convince them with any amount of you know what we don't really open the war drum beaters quick break right back getting some emails in
and Jack where's Jack where's Jack where is he Jack I want to see you great job Jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting policies all right Jack so back live human events daily we're on with rich bear so rich want to go into some of the data that you're pulling together regarding the Iran operation that we've we've heard from the president and and our own reporting that four weeks was the time frame initially that was being looked at we're now also hearing some reports from Politico again not official but you know potentially looking at a hundred days of operation some other data points that are coming out out of there do you think that this is something that extends further if we're talking this goes beyond one the one month mark through the summer all right I mean you asking whether or not that you know increases the political risks of it I mean again one of the questions we're asking yeah one of the questions we're asking Jack
and this is a problem the administration is going to have they have to address which is do you think that the administration the president laid out clearly what the goals were and what the you know what what a success look like in these operations and a little over 60% as well view that saying no they really don't know what the what you know what our objectives are here which leaves a lot of confusion and a longer this goes on the more political risk there is and we you know we ask a question which is interesting because it tells us where people again their priorities are now important do you think it is that the U.S. stay out of foreign wars and these conflicts and particularly when it comes to Iran it's over 80% now when we first started asking and it looked like we were probably going to launch strikes against Iran in some capacity it was about 70% and it was the same as what we got as far as opposition to the conflict it's now above 80 with people who say that it's very important that we stay out of this thing like that in a long term conflict is what they that's what they're talking about with very important surpassing somewhat important which tells you that the intensity is against long term operations so I mean without a doubt the smarter the smartest political move here would be to just declare victory Jack and walk away this is a narrative that's starting to take root that I worry about for the president which is
really is no U.S. interest here you're not going to convince the American public that there is and I don't want to see him as viewed as being dog walked into this thing by in a by Israel by the prime minister of Israel and I really would and honestly I'd like to see the president a sort you know basically make a public showing that he is in fact the one in control here because this is something the American public they just don't jack they just don't see the vital interest here they don't they're not going to be duped into claims that they had ICBMs that are going to hit us it's just it's ludicrous to them and it's just too tall of an order to get them to believe this Well in rich here's here's something that I've I've said from the start is that the American people want to hear from their president the American people I think want to see that behind the desk of the oval office prime time address from the president this is what we're doing this is what's going on this is why it's happening my fellow Americans moment and president trump is always his best spokesman this is what we saw at the state of the union which was a tour to force just last week where you notice by the way the primary focus was on those domestic issues with the exception by the way of the Venezuela rate and the Venezuela rate in that model was seen as largely successful the president took a victory lap on that get the metal of honor ceremony
related to it so again this was something that was very and highly successful the Venezuela model that's something that I think the people of the United States are are waiting for now what I would say though rich is that look we're receiving some emails right now and I've I've got people you know that are on both sides of this people who say I'm behind this I think we need to be on this this is this important to do now so you do see support from and we've seen the polling support from core Republicans on this and core conservatives so what would you say to those folks who say look I'm a core conservative I'm a three time trump voter I'm for this what's the problem um I would say you're in the minority you're in the gross minority and you have to you have to care about that uh the fact of the matter is maggot is shrinking we're seeing a little bit of what I'm calling down how else to call it a purification through subtraction so it's great that you have 98 95% and a support from that 30% but it was 45% 13 months ago and you had 93% support among 45 93 among 45 is greater than 98 among 30 so I mean you it does matter you know whether something's popular or not does matter the
maduro thing totally different scenario I mean honestly jack americans are looking for wins you know and they may not even know how to articulate that but you know we killed the ayatola and we're out you know mission accomplished let them figure it out would be a win to the american public and that would be okay what wouldn't is giving the opposition the ammunition that you ran as the no new wars president especially in the middle east for regime change and yet that increasingly is the suspicion that that is the objective in which is regime change and you said something before I think is really important that the president is his best spokesman without a doubt that is true I mean look what happened when they tried to you know give an interview to New York Posts I mean the New York Times and the Washington Post that had to be cleaned up rubio comes out attempting to clean it up he steps on you know steps on himself and chokes down his own tongue then my johnson comes out 30 minutes later after they try to clean up rubio and he makes the same mistake
bolted them with including the news reports you know on top of the news reports giving the people the impression that they were goaded into doing this by israel like forced into doing this by israel the president has got to come out and don't tell anybody any tales about ICBMs that can hit Los Angeles and just tell them look he's a bad guy I got rid of him and a story we're coming back after that if he did that he could you know we could really turn this thing around here but the longer it goes on jacked without a doubt it's not really even debatable the longer it goes on I would tell this to that 30% the longer it goes on the more in the wilderness you're going to find yourself and we're getting way too close to a midterm election you know I've remind everybody that the real threat is at home you know as far as winning elections and I mean it wasn't that long ago that they were rounding people up and putting people in jail including the president that really needs to start you know the people get all hyped with war and you know we all start you know having that war high but once that high comes down and you crash
you got it you better make sure you don't find yourself in a really bad spot which is exactly that's right exactly where you know we see the situation with the with gas prices going up the price of oil you know with going up the price of a barrel of oil going up hitting gas prices that's going up around the nation there's no question we've seen that spike just in the last couple of days that's something the administration is going to run around their hands around before anybody starts early voting in any of these key states any the states that have a Senate race on them but at the same time Rich you know let's let's say that we do actually just just devil's advocate let's say that things go well and he gets does actually achieve a real positive outcome could that have a better outlook when it comes to midterms because of the the spoils of war yeah I think that at the very least it'll limit what I you know what what people are are estimating to be the damage you're always going to have those people are going
to complain that he said no new wars and yet here we are I mean you're going to have those people you and I had a conversation right a lot of those people are right they're already kind of gone right so a midterms is a turnout it's a turnout operation I mean the the right is probably not going to win the middle but they can take heart in the fact that they still are much bigger than the left that is true they are I'm not talking about party identification I'm talking about the number of people in the United States who agree with the right wing platform is larger than the number of people who agree with the left wing and if you can motivate them by winning winning you know getting them excited um that's that's what you have to do this is what Democrats did when they engaged in some rather unpopular agenda items under Obama they didn't even bother to win the middle jack they just juice their base with what they view to be wins and that save them time and time again especially Barack Obama himself so that is that has got to be the strategy here um knowing
into 26 because uh it would be unwise to try to rely on persuading the middle back just get the president's base fired up make sure they understand what is at stake which is that you know the the the more seats Democrats win the more likely it is that he could be removed I mean this is this is a reality they're not going to stop it's only been guys it wasn't that long when they were breaking every law in the book to try to remove them from the ballot right to prevent them from running uh from president if our president if you think that Democratic party just changed or disappeared overnight no we remember all of it rich barris yeah what thank you for coming on giving us this briefing giving us this update tell people where they can go to get your info and get that reporting when you put it out where everywhere don't forget you know what I'm going to push the Graham jack don't forget to follow us on Instagram people's funding on Instagram it's new I just started it I got to push it more brother it's pathetic but the best place to follow is coming hot on the Graham hot on the Graham which barris people's
pundit coming in hot on the Graham right back human events daily call this the jackpacobic appreciation hour I can say confidently I believe I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for jackpacobic and that is I'm being honest all right folks jackpacobic back live excited to bring on now to human rights little crossover action we've got john Bachman the host of john Bachman now in the author of a new book joining us here on human events john how are you it's great to see you jack thanks for having me so tell us about the new book turning point you know a name that I certainly uh I'm familiar with and certainly enjoy tell us why why write a new book about Reagan Grenada the cold war which is interesting because that's that's a piece of the cold war that doesn't really get talked about
that much no it doesn't get talked about because it happened within days of the us marine barracks bombing in Beirut Lebanon which dominated the news cycle back then and you know it's it's fascinating for me now I started this book four years ago and it just came out a couple of weeks ago and we have operation urgent fury back then that was the liberation of grenade and we have operation epic fury right now but I think jack what the one of the reasons why I wanted to write this book is really to kind of reintroduce Ronald Reagan to a new generation of people uh particularly with this story because I think the lesson that we're often taught uh is that there are only one of two options when it comes to military conflicts there's the isolationist wing of the republican party who doesn't think we should be getting involved in these types of things and then there's the other rhino neocon aspect of the republican party that you know has no problem with forever wars but what we learned from Reagan's action in Grenada is there is a third way we sent in the military we liberated a country from a brutal Marxist regime and we didn't stick
around for the same type of regime change nation building exercises that we saw during the the both Gulf Wars so Ronald Reagan knew the consequences there were 600 American medical students on the island there was a communist coup that took place uh I used moderate dictator Marie Spishup was assassinated by a more radical militant Marxist named Bernard Coward and that's what put these Americans in danger Ronald Reagan also saw the opportunity that this represented you could liberate this place you could save Americans you could send a message as well to our adversaries that we were not going to tolerate communism in the western hemisphere the other parallel between this and what we're seeing today is is the monro doctrine Ronald Reagan believed in it and we see that with Donald Trump as well you see that there so you know this is a great example of something that I've gone around talking about Chinese influence which is the new influence in the Caribbean and that's exactly what Ronald Reagan understood with Grenada back in 1983 the idea
that we can't have these great powers we can't have in the time it was the Soviet Union you know a Soviet aligned actor get again there that we can't have them in our backyard but we can't allow them this toe hold and why it makes sense from America's strategic interest to actually emphasize more influence in our own Caribbean I mean that should be like an American pond basically it's so true and it's been so overlooked for throughout in our entire lifetimes and it's so refreshing now to see someone like Marco Rubio as a secretary of state who understands this obviously Pete Hegseth understands it now as well much like Ronald Reagan's administration understood the importance of it back then in your right Jack back then it was a Soviets today it is the Chinese and they are investing in you know millions of dollars in Grenada in particular they're building a new cricket stadium they are funded by the Chinese it's something we got to continue to pay attention to my favorite Ronald Reagan quote of all time is when he says you know freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction and we got to constantly fight these fights to
remind people of what the real danger is it's exactly right one of my favorite stories by the way the operation of Grenada a young second lieutenant in the United States army who was a platoon leader serving with the 82nd airborne uh was actually the second lieutenant Michael Flynn who uh who later became general Flynn who actually not only did he deploy to Grenada as a platoon leader but also performed a notable rescue jumped off a cliff saved two stranded US soldiers in rough waters I mean this it's there's so many origin stories of the people that we talk about you know every single day here that go all the way back to things like this yeah the heroic efforts of the 82nd airborne I didn't get a chance to interview general Flynn I would have loved to talk to him about this and hopefully we'll get to a someday I do tell the story of a young captain named Michael Ritz who was who was shot and killed I mean we lost 19 service members over the course of four days including four Navy seals the combat was very real uh and it's important to remind people of the sacrifices
that were made in Grenada as well and to this day jack the Grenadian people celebrate October 25th as their Thanksgiving day which is their Thanksgiving to the United States for liberating them from a Marxist dictatorship I see that's actually amazing this idea that people went because whenever you talk to someone who served or excuse me I should say who suffered under a communist dictatorship whether it's in Grenada whether it's a union wherever it is they'll tell you immediately how terrible it was they'll tell you how awful it was and then you go to some you know Columbia college campus in the Ivy League and they'll sit there and say oh well that wasn't real communism or that person doesn't know what they're talking about this is going to work in theory you know when the Berlin wall went up pretty as people always say I know it's cliched but people were only crossing that thing one way you know we're just trying to break into the east right right you they don't put the walls to keep people you know from from pouring into the communist parts you know think about the Berlin wall as well and that was really the final straw for Ronald Reagan because the the communist the Marxist on Grenada had threatened to shoot the American students if they
disobeyed the a curfew they they put in place and I also tell the story of the communist revolution in Nicaragua as a precursor to this one because I think we lost it was a total of 12 countries fell to either socialist or Marxist regimes during Jimmy Carter and that didn't stop until Ronald Reagan was elected and it really started with Grenada and then we started to see the dominoes fall in these eastern block countries they then then they started to reform and then we saw ultimately the Berlin wall come down in the end of the Cold War right at the end of Ronald Reagan's presidency in the beginning of George H.W. Bush's presidency. Well that's incredible see what you're doing so you're going through the Sandinistas you go through all of the history of communism in the Caribbean and that gives people what I think is great about this book actually is it gives people a primer into the Don Roe doctrine so yes it's the 1980s but it actually can help you understand current events because you're going around the horn you're saying this is what happened in Nicaragua this is what happened in Grenada then boom just what 20 or so years after
that we got what the the communist revolution or I should say the the the Chavez take over in Venezuela so that's where communism of course you know emanating from Cuba that's where that came out so this has been the push and pull of the United States western influence and communist influence that's going on South America Latin America and the Caribbean really for since the dawn of the Cold War back in the 1950s so it gives you an understanding of how we got here and what the past is what the prologue is for a lot of people as you say who didn't understand exactly what Reagan was up to down in South America or they get these you know really ridiculous I've seen some of these tiktok videos where zoomers talk about Reagan like he was just some imperialist that's not what he was about at all now he was not he knew exactly what he wanted to do his main goal was really a nuclear non proliferation that's what he ultimately wanted to accomplish but in order to to do that he had to end the Cold War and really put the Soviets in a position where they had to play ball
and Grenada was just part of that and Jack you may you make a great point and hope something I hope the readers get across in this book is every time we see a communist country or a communist revolution it is the same playbook they divide their people internally and then the foreign influence comes in from the dominant communist power in the world to refer quote unquote reform these countries into a Marxist or socialist or communist government and it works out the same way every time the people are starving the government is oppressive and you know like they say Jack you can vote your way into communism but you have to shoot your way out of it. That's exactly true last question John uh President Trump earlier today talked about Cuba he said he that we could see the fall of the communist regime in Cuba you just wrote the book focus on Grenada what do you think? I think it's entirely possible I think the challenge there versus Venezuela is that you've had communism so deeply entrenched into Cuba it was interesting to see the Cuban President Miguel Diaz Canal this week say they need to drastically reform their economic
system it might be a little bit too late for that but the Cuban people Jack I live in South Florida and as you know the Cuban people are begging President Trump to get involved they've seen what happens in Venezuela they see what's happening in Iran right now and they desperately want Cuba to be next many of them want to return to their homeland and the only way to do that is to make sure there's you know a democratic republic or some sort of free actual government in Cuba something they have an experience since the early 1960s amen to that is John Bachman the book is turning point how Reagan liberated granted John thanks so much for joining us here human events ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay a short this is an iHeart podcast guaranteed human
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