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What if the answer to our late-stage collapse isn’t grim sacrifice, but a more joyful, humane way to live? Today, we hear from Elizabeth Dunn and Jiaying Zhao, authors of Leave the Lights On: How Joyful Decisions Can Save Our Species, who argue that climate action works best when it makes our lives happier, not harder. Then Sarah Wilson, author of I Eat the Stars: How to Live Fully and Beautifully in a Collapsing World, offers a clear-eyed but strangely hopeful guide to finding meaning, agency, and beauty amid systemic chaos.
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