How has the fight against terror changed since 9/11?

0:0064614 till 7 Tommy Tucker W. R. anniversary of 911 to 25th anniversary David Chancellor joins us now our friend professor of public policy at Duke University. How you doing David? It's been a while. Hi Tommy. It's always good to talk to you. Even on a somber occasion like this. Yeah, tell me your thoughts as an instructor and how the whole country has changed in 25 years and even your approach with students when you talk about this with them. Well, yeah, we have to of course teach them what it was like to be here on that day and I do I start by class by actually having them watch the today show and they move from a cooking segment to coverage of 911 and of course there was confusion there for the plane hit the first hour. Nobody knew really what was happening and then of course that you see the live on TV the plane actually scared intentionally into the second tower and it's clear after that that you know America's been

1:04attacking it's an active you know mass murder and terrorism and the whole mood of the country and really the world change and while I don't think you can trace everything that is happening in our world today to 911 I think 911 has impacted the trajectory of history in many significant ways. How so? Well I mean I think it's affected America and America you know America was the predominant superpower the sole global superpower in 2000 and 2001 and we had a swagger about ourselves and a great deal of confidence about our mission our trajectory in the world to you know spread democracy to use our power to promote peace and prosperity around the world and I really think you know

2:04because of 911 and because of the way some of the policies we pursued in response to 911 turned out mainly the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq but also kind of our failure to prevent ISIS from becoming such a powerful destructive force and many other things I feel like we've lost our national confidence and in some way our sense of our the American mission in the world I think there's a lot of uncertainty about that in our society day a lot of attention a lot of anger in many ways and I think that states are are very politics that we see in our country today so yeah Ben Laden these were not not what are his intentions were his intention was to get us out of the you at out of the Middle East so he could pursue an Islamist revolution of sorts there but I think he did maybe unintentionally impose a pretty bad blow on the American psyche do you think there's any way they could have these

3:1119 people or is there any historical president for 19 people causing such a change in the world wow I have to think hard about that one certainly nothing directly comes to mind of course they were you know had some help some strategic help in planning but I kind of was a small organization and look at what it invoked invoked the greatest superpower in the world to go to in the history of the world really to go to war in many places to change its entire approach to the world changes foreign policy to change its internal domestic laws that's a lot you're right and its economy as well it was an economic blow we did recover I don't think you can say the great recession of 2008 was caused

4:14by Al-Qaeda but you know and by some estimates the brown cost of war and I'm not saying it's entirely accurate but it's an amazing report they estimate that the 9-11 is aftermath and is policies of cost-American taxpayer 8 trillion dollars not that's what it's gonna be a consequence or yeah let me take a break we'll pick it up we can back with David Chancer Professor of Public Policy at Duke University 25th anniversary of 9-11 650 10-7 traffic now WL 655 till 7 Tommy Tucker WL on this anniversary of 9-11 25th anniversary talking to David Chancer Professor of Public Policy at Duke University professor somebody texted and said 25 years later we have this line where people can text in at 5042601870 their thoughts they said 25 years later and we're still at war with terrorism what has changed that's a blanket question but I'd like to hear your answer

5:16well this movement that been law and started oh he really started he advanced that you know that the idea that the West was at war with the Muslim people and that therefore of some people where he believes a holy religious Muslim people should strike back at the West really has not gone very well it's kind of fizzled and so many respects you know our post 9-11 efforts in that regard have been successful very few people still believe these ideas and and fewer are willing to die for them now ISIS is still rampaging in a number of countries around the world but I think if we look at that measure you know that has been successful I think what has been what is you know but the other thing has changed was this idea that the United States launching a global war on

6:16terrorism and then encompassing so many different aspects of our foreign policy into that frame of war and that war I think if you look at it in totality as impose more costs on the United States than benefits so we did a lot right on counter terrorism but a lot wrong in the war on terror when it comes to our biggest enemies now is that ISIS is it al-Qaeda is it somebody else the who these who is it well I think if you look at you know terrorist groups that advance this radical is on this ideology yeah ISIS is the most powerful most widespread group al-Qaeda is still exists but it's really a shell of its so for myself I'm gonna make it some notes here I'm sorry so where do you see us 25 years from now well you know Tommy are biggest challenges come from other

7:22place of other areas in the world and other issues obviously the competition with China over whether we're going to try to have a capitalist democratic future in the world or their kind of controlled economy system state communism that is going to be the great challenge of the next 25 years of course climate change everybody understands it's happening and how we're gonna grapple with it and of course how is AI going to change our world these are the huge challenges of the next 25 years but of course you just as well with proliferation of weapons and mass destruction so I think you take those four issues that's what's going to shape the next 25 years but the problem is that these issues of violence but intense violence that come out of nowhere that you don't expect that's what happened on September 11th it was this beautiful

8:25bay and the world was warm and then it was different once this had happened these kinds of events happen and do change the course of history so even if we think those are the more issues that are going to shape the course of the next 25 years we might get diverted by something else they were probing they found a weakness are people still probing and are there still weaknesses to be found sure I mean we know there's no such thing as perfect security Tommy but I think by and large we've done a pretty good job if you look at the record in terms of preventing al Qaeda or ISIS related terrorism here inside the United States thank you so I appreciate your time David Chancellor Professor of Public Policy at Duke University we're taking a break we come back we'll talk to you in those and co-host of the Manning Family children's prep football around up find out what they're gonna be tonight and I want to hear your story at 504 2601870 where were you on 9-11 I'll read some of the texts when we come back what is

9:27your strongest memory of 9-11 how do you think the countries change in the last 25 years a lot there for you to weigh in on do it at 504 2601870