Hour 2 – Wonderlic Nonsense, Louis Riddick

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1:00And he came in, went right to the fire and helped put out what could have been a disaster. Fire alarm went off. Everybody is safe. We're good. And we'll proceed with caution. I don't know what this means for a sports Emmy. But maybe we submit. Oh no, it's too late. We already submitted for this year. This would be for next year. Yeah. Well, who knows what could happen in the interim here? Marvin, you okay? No, I'm still basking in. Oh, the long arms. No. 31 inches long. Yes. I did it. You did. So proud of you. Do you call your mom? I did. She was like, um, congrats. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Lewis Riddick from the mother ship, recapping the Combine. And Jeremiah Love, is my second pick for the Heisman trophy. He looked great, as far as speed goes.

2:01There was nothing that he was going to do at the Combine that was going to change my opinion. Unless he ran maybe a four, four, five or something, then I'd go, wow. But you can watch him on the football field. And he was the fastest guy on the field. You're not breaking 90 yard touchdown runs. Unless you're really fast. But the fact that he has great hands, catch the ball of the backfield. And the jets are on the clock at two. I want to ask Lewis Riddick, could the jets take him even though they have breeze hall? And my thought is, why not have two of those guys who were great, you know, difference makers? Now I'm going to put the pressure on the defense here. Now the jets aren't going to take him. Jeremiah Love is probably going to be out of the top five. But if you want a difference maker on offense, like how many of those guys are in this draft? And that's where you have to look at it differently. I know you don't want to take a running back that high because this is what's going to happen.

3:02I'm going to draft him high. I hope that he gets a second contract because then that validates me taking him with one of those top 10 picks. And then you're going to have to pay and commensurate to that second contract. But if he's that great, then I'm going to invest eight years of pay with Jeremiah Love, because that's what it's going to come down to. You'll get four years, and then you'll skip the fifth year, you'll sign him up, and then you'll kind of have a sake one Barclay situation, except for you don't let sake one Barclay go if your team's taken Jeremiah Love. Yes, Tom. I think you take love just for marketing reasons because then it could be Jet Mariah Love, and you could have all kinds of fun with Jet Mariah. Instead of Jeremiah Love, Jet Mariah Love. Oh, no. It's a breeze haul all together if you have to. You're pretty quiet in the first hour. I should have stayed that way. That would be sick. That would you get to go? Yeah. I think the fire in my office had a better hour than you did. Wow. Got more content.

4:02Yeah, there's more content with the fire. All right, Seaton. Pull question. I don't even know what we put up in the first hour of the program. There was so much happening. My life flashed before my eyes. Flames, smoke, alarm, big German. Oh, and now here we are, our two. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Somehow we power on. We had two pull questions. Best of a month, the year for sports. October running away with that one at 54%. March having a very respectable 26% in second place. Okay. However, if you add up March and April together, they still don't matchy. October. All right. Dominant. Jet, no love for January. Only about 5%. Then we got one here from Paul. The combine drill. I would do the worst in 40 bench vertical or wonderlick. Well, you guys did the wonderlick a couple of years ago. That's when McLeven was here. Yeah. It did well. Yeah. That's why he wanted to do the wonderlick. Yeah. You know, Ivy League education with McLeven. The results on this one vertical has about 40% followed by bench at 37%.

5:07People very confident in their wonderlick ability. I would fail miserably in all of them, especially the bench press. I mean, I carry a network, but I can't bench press, you know, 220. Upper body strength can be tricky. If you unless you really work on it a lot, right? Yeah. You know what? I was out getting chicks. So I wouldn't like Todd who just don't want to just triceps and bicep. That's really it. No legs. No legs. Thank you. Way too busy. You never did leg day. I did it once and one. I got such a horrible cramp from not doing it regularly that I could barely get off the machine. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. Yes. The crazy part too is that Todd still on the rare like every once in a while he'll run over there and grab like dumbbell. Yeah. And he still only does the same curls that he probably did when he was 17. He doesn't change up anything at all. I think I use literally on the rare occasion that I go to the gym these days. I think I use about four, maybe five machines. And then I'll go on the treadmill for 20 minutes. And you know, once I get the first beat of sweat, I'm out of there.

6:07Do we have a poll question for hour two? Yeah. We're going to stick with these. I just put up the one from Paul about which one the which combine event you would do worse. Okay. I can improve in the wonder lick. I'm not going to I can improve in the 40. I probably would take a long time to improve in the bench press. Vert. Those days are done. So yeah. It is weird when you like sort of crash down to get into that vertical position. And you go to jump and that spring. Even what limited spring may have had isn't there anymore at all. Not even close. That's upsetting. I remember somebody saying, hey, Marcus Johnson just dunked and he's 70. You're turning 70. And I go, no. No. I wouldn't even want to try something's going to fall out. Something's going to blow out. That would be horrible.

7:08Yes, Paul. Going back to the combine, I don't think you can improve your speed. You're jumping or even your wonder lick at this point in our lives. Like I think our speed is our speed. But I think strength in the bench could be dealt with. I think you could improve your speed. Lightly. Yes. There's techniques that I think you could. I think all of those things can be improved. You know, we had Michael Vick on years ago and he said and we were talking about preparing for the 40 and he said squats. You just have to do a ton of squats and you'll improve your 40. Oh. Anything else? Yeah. The wonder lick, I think I could prepare for it knowing the question, knowing the type of questions. Not knowing the questions. That would help too. But I would be coy and say that I didn't want to appear too smart because teams might not want you. Hey, you're too smart. Not that that would ever happen. But it'd be good to use that as an excuse. And Todd, while you're smart, I was very average with that score.

8:11I don't know whatever I got. It was either average or below. I overthink questions a lot. When I was a little kid, there was a question about the bakery and what you can get at a bakery and I picked beans because I thought it baked beans. It's got to be bakery baked beans. So I remember that back in third grade, I over thanked. I was the only one to get that wrong out of the whole class on that test. There was cookies and there was like normal answers and I'm like, oh, they're trying to trick me. I'm going to be the only one to get this right baked beans. That's what you're finding. So what's the poll question? So we have our poll question for hour two. You did that again. You did what you just did. No, Todd, I gave you the time to explain and then I have to move on. So that was a cute little story. No, I think I was like very, very great answer that I got. I know bakery and baked beans. Okay. It was very cute, Todd. Yes, Paul. Have you noticed that in the past maybe two years, three years of doing the show, the wonderlick is kind of dead as far as things being released, notes, stats, numbers. It's kind of gone away. I don't know if fewer guys are taking them or they're not being leaked. Was it Vince Young? Was that the last time that you had numbers released?

9:12No, I've got numbers from three or four years ago. No, but you know, I'm embarrassing. Yeah, I'm embarrassing. Yeah, Vince Young was publicly embarrassed. Yeah. Yes. I think people have really come around to the idea that standardized tests are kind of nonsense. Yes, I agree. So that might impact the wonderlick. I was saying that in high school. You know, these standardized tests, they're not accurate. They're not real. Yeah. After I did poorly on them. Accurate. Yeah. Same. Same. Yeah, no. My mom was like, didn't you prepare? I go, no, I didn't. How am I preparing? We didn't have tutors back then. And she goes, you're going to have a hard time getting into college. I said, not with this jumper. Yes, Mormon. I can already see. Come on. This is jumper's money. That's all I, yeah. School. This is summa, summa score a lot. Hey, that's not bad right off the cuff, Todd.

10:12I'm not going to do that. I would have said that. I would have been so crushed. We all know that. Do I grade you on a curve? I wish you would grade that because you just picked a lick. Anyway, Sal. Hey, what do you got? I'm going to pretend that he didn't say that. Mike and New Jersey. Hey, Mike. What's on your mind today? Oh, everything's good. A big week in Florida. I got my three grandchildren. Liam Leyla and Sloan coming down for a week of fun with grandpa. So it's going to be a blast. Best and worst of the weekend. I think the worst would have to be that quarterback ponder from Colorado. Can't kill the auto accident. Oh. And the best of the weekend, which could lead into Saturday today, would be Michael Jordan making history with NASCAR and his driver, Reddick, winning the third race in a row. The only time that's ever been done in a history in NASCAR. Yeah, Mike's having a good month here.

11:12Mike's having a good life here. Now winning Daytona, a couple of races after that. Got his fishing boat there. Making hundreds of millions of dollars. Getting away from basketball and he's been really successful. Yes, Marvin. Is he still a part of the NBC family? Or was Tariqo over there just the one time? He might be getting paid by NBC. I don't think I would consider part of him part of the NBC family. So he's still winning. Yeah. You know, that was, that was not good. It's not good at all. You do one interview and whatever you got, $20 million. I think I'm done now. Yeah. Oh. Because what we want is the relevancy of Mike talking about the NBA. Not, you know, Tariqo's got to go in and go, all right, I got all of these questions, these topics. And hopefully they're evergreen that they'll last throughout the year. You would have thought, okay, every six weeks,

12:13you're able to go and have Mike sit down. I don't, and I don't know what he got paid. But let's say $20 million. I would hope $20 million would go a little further. Yes, Paul. The estimates are between $20 and $37 million for a less than three hour interview. No, that's, that's, that's not good. I mean, it's, it's good. That's not good. Yeah. Marvin. Yeah, the part that was giving me was he was just talking very general. Yeah. He didn't say anything about like specific players. I want to hear you talk about the current guys, the SJs, the jokers, the ant Edwards. But it was just very, I don't like low management. Great. Yeah, Paulie. I think though NBC got what they wanted out of it. They wanted to be the big splash six, you know, eight months ago. You think you got $37 million worth of coverage, publicity? Weirdly. Yeah. Because what NBC knew what they were buying and they knew the limited access they would have. But when they announced that we're getting the NBA and guess who's joining us? Michael Jordan. No one else got them for decades.

13:13And they got the buzz to lead off their new era of NBC's NBA coverage. It's not long lasting, but I think that it felt big right off the bat. Yeah, but I think it worked against them because. Yeah. Oh, you got, oh, that's it. Oh, he's wearing the same clothes that. Oh, okay. He was spating switch. I thought, you know, because initially I was like, all right, Mike's going to contribute. But if you really want to spice it up, that's where you have, well, he and Charles are not seeing eye to eye. But if you add Barkley and then you had Reggie Miller, if you had a couple of different former players, you were able to do, you know, with players that are currently under the, or on the payroll at NBC, maybe you could do something fun like that. Maybe you could do sort of a town hall with five NBA players and Mike. But I got to get more out of it than what I got. Because it didn't, you know, the opinions were kind of loose.

14:18You know, I wanted, I wanted it direct. I wanted it sharper and you didn't get that. Thank you, Mike, though. Aiden in Utah. Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind? 80, big morning. Good morning. Good, good to be back on the show. Hey, I just got a quick something. Mendoza did an interview with, I forget the lady. She's out of it. In Indiana, local sports network. And she asked her what was the, she asked him what was the wildest thing getting asked by one of the teams. And he said one of the teams asked him to get arrested so he would fall in the draft. Yeah. That's how badly people want this guy. Well, I would say they're just having fun with him. I just, I, I just hope he goes, you know, to a team that's ready to bring him in. I don't think he's going to play right away. I hope he doesn't play right away. But I mean, they may say see something different where they go, we have to plan. But I just hope that they bolster the offensive line.

15:21You do have genty and bowers. And if they do that, great. Because you can't help but like the kid in root for him. Great story. But I just want to make sure in the Raiders know this. We're going to make sure that we have a semblance of an offensive line here. Do you think there's ever a chance in today's NFL that the number one pick in the NFL draft wouldn't play week one? I would say yes. Yes. Who's there other option? Safe as the Raiders. Well, Geno's not there. Or is he still maybe he's not under contract? But I would have somebody who I just don't want him to walk in there and all of a sudden people are going to go, okay, save us. Is Kenny Pickett still there with the Raiders? He's on the depth chart. Okay.

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21:26three Eastern weekdays on ESPN2, ESPN App, and also Disney Plus. All right, give me the most important drill at the combine, and you as a former front office guy would say, that will equate to success on Sundays. Yeah, you know, it's different for each position group. So, when you're looking at, obviously, when you look at the 40, which is always the marquee event, you know, it's different for the DBS, as opposed to Office Alignment. You hear all the time, Office Alignments, about 10 yards split. For DBS, like corners in particular, it's about 10 yards split. The 40 is more heavily weighted for corners, because, look, if you're sub, if you're not sub four, five in the 40, at corner, you're probably going to have to be like ridiculously proficient as far as your instincts and route recognition, because you just need raw speed. You just do. I think for like wide receivers, I love to watch the three cone drill. And the 20 yard short shuttle, because obviously a lot of their movements,

22:26lower body explosiveness, being able to change direction, move into serpentine, that's all important. So, like right now, when everybody's like up in arms about, carnal tapes, 40 yard time being, you know, four, five, one, four, five, two, is agents saying it's lower, blah, blah. Look, it really, if we really judge wide receivers by 40s, Jerry Rice would want to undraft it. So, I mean, it's just like, you know, it's always different from position group to position group. I think across all position groups, everyone likes to see what a guy's vertical jump is, because that is really just about raw physical explosion. And there were some dudes this year who was like, I mean, I was telling my son about some of these guys in their vertical jumps. And he's like 43 and a half inches from standing two point like, yeah, man, these dudes are jumping out the gym. So, it moves based on position. But I think 40 10 splits, three cone, those are the ones that you really want to kind of pay attention to from a measurement standpoint. You know what caught my attention? A couple of guys had a better vertical than Vince Carter.

23:28And I go, I don't know what it means, but that's pretty damn impressive there. I don't know. I mean, there's certain positions where I could see where you would say, oh, you know, this guy, if an edge rusher, somebody can block field goals, maybe vertical comes in. But these guys are preparing for the combine. Yeah. So, that's the tricky part is, you know, how good are they or how good will they be as football players? I still maintain what I see on tape on Saturday is, yeah. Now, your medicals, the interview process, like those are important, you know, are you the height that they say, the weight you say? Other than that, I just don't... It's a... It seems to do this though, Lewis. Every year somebody's going to go, oh my god, like Anthony Richardson. Somebody's going to go by what they saw this week in Indianapolis and change what they probably saw for three months in the college football season.

24:32Yeah. And usually what that is is, then, at this point in time is where a lot of other people come into the evaluation process. Namely coaches, namely administrators, you know, whether it be a team president and owner, whoever it is. They haven't been out on the road since August and September, October, November. They haven't been watching tape. They've been doing their own thing. I mean, coaches have been coaching their teams. So, what winds up happening is sometimes they can come in and they can. It's important for a general manager in particular, it's not let this happen. But they can't kind of blow up all the work that's been done all through this. And next thing you know, like everything is in chaos. When really you want to just keep the train on the tracks and keep it moving down the road. It's just another piece. It's confirmation a lot of times for what you've seen on tape. Yeah. Or it's the reason why you go back and maybe evaluate a little bit more, especially if a guy isn't as athletic in the testing numbers as you thought he looked on tape. Or if a guy is a lot more athletic looking than you thought he was in the tape, then you need to go back and research, was he hurt during the season?

25:34What kind of scheme was he dealing with during the season? What kind of coaching was he getting during the season? So, you know, you don't want to miss on somebody who maybe just had, who dealt with an injury, dealt with a bad situation during the fall. But he is a great athlete and quite honestly, he does have football instincts and maybe you could wind up catching someone whose values a little depressed and wind up really hitting on him once he gets to your place. It's just another, it's just another data point. But I'm with you. There's no games being played right now. No guys were catching passes, intercepting passes, rushing the passer. So let's not make crazy wild changes on people's evaluations. Although there were some guys who really did confirm what you saw on tape and the cool part about it, it's all the top players that were doing it. And they blew it up as far as their testing, which right now is going to make night one of the drafts super, super exciting. Lewis Riddick of the mothership, former NFL defensive back and pro personnel. Director with the Eagles also was in the front office with Washington.

26:38You can see him on NFL draft daily at three Eastern weekdays on ESPN, two ESPN app, and Disney plus. It's weird to say, hey, is the best player, the most talented player going to be taken number one overall, and the answer is no. In basketball, if the Portland Trailblazers had taken the best player in the draft, they would have taken Michael Jordan. But they, at the time you had to have a big man. So you pass, you know, a keen goes one, then you got Sam Buie. But the NFL, do they, they, they do that as well. It's position. You're not going to take Jeremiah love number one. And he could be the best player in the draft or study styles or whoever you want to throw in there. Yeah. It's, it's the person in front of you. Aside from quarterback, it's, it's need. There could be a defensive back who's the best player in the draft. Hang on number one. Yeah.

27:38So how do you justify when you take somebody, even if you know, the guy who's going to go four picks later is the best player and, and you know, could be a hall of famer because it's, it's, it's always, well, there's, there's really, there's two things. It's always like a, um, there's always a battle between best player available and best player available at the position that you do need because you are actually trying to build a football team. And you're not just collecting talent. So it's like, like, look, that's a safe for instance. If somehow some way, which it won't happen, let's just say for an moment, those that have slipped down the board to number, you know, to number nine and Kansas City's there on the board. They're not going to take Fernando Mendoza, even if he was the best player on the board at that time, because this doesn't make sense, right? So you, you're always trying to balance those two. Yeah, but take quarterback out of the equation. True. Okay. True. So I think what winds up happening is there, and I remember being taught this a long time ago, you need to come up with a way in which you prioritize the positions in terms of importance one through 22 on a football team.

28:39Obviously, okay, we'll take quarterback out at the top. So the other 21 positions, what exactly, how do you prioritize them? So you know that, okay, when you're looking at your board, like you have, typically, if you can picture a board, a physical board up on the draft room, you have all the positions across the top of the board horizontally, and then everybody stacked vertically within those positions. And you kind of, and then you have like a grading scale on the far left, and you kind of slot them in vertically, cross positions like that. So what winds up happening is, depending upon how you, you know, stack positions. So let's say that your top five positions are corner back, pass, rusher, defense of corner, offensive tackle, wide receiver. Let's see that those are your top five positions in that order. Most teams are going to have those five positions in some kind of order outside of quarterback. Okay. And you come up, and you're up on the, you're on the clock and say you're at pick five, right? And you're looking across the board, and you have three guys at premium positions

29:40who are all literally, as you look horizontally across the board, on the same plane. You haven't graded exactly the same. Now is when you go to how you prioritize building a football team. Okay. And how you prioritize building a football team, sometimes it's like philosophically, how you believe, you know, teams should be built. There's obviously salary cap ramifications that are involved here. So, you know, a guy who winds up, you know, positions that carry a higher value in the NFL when you're talking about, you know, what the franchise tag would be, what the average, average salary per year would be. You want to kind of get those guys when they're younger on a rookie contract. You don't want to have to be in free agency having to find those kind of people. So you wind up prioritizing the number one. They have high positional value on a football team anyway. As far as how you play the game. And number two, that's usually going to come with a higher salary. So you want as much cheap, affordable labor as you can possibly get. So you're going to prioritize those guys higher. That's why running back. That's why it slides down the board.

30:41And that's why pass rushers, corners, offensive tackles are always going to go higher. And there may be guys who go higher. Even if they are on your board, during my love is sticking out. He's above everyone. But you're going to, but you need an offensive tackle. You may take CC Malino from Miami, even if he is a notch below Jeremiah love. Simply because of the position of value to your football team. But if you take Jeremiah love in the top 10, which you probably will. Which he will. Yeah. So you're going to double down on that. You're going to have to pay him as a top 10 pick. Yep. And then if he works out, you're going to have to pay him again. Yep. Correct? Like if you draft him and he turns out to be great, then you get to that fourth year. Well, now you're doubling down on that position. So now you get into that Zeke Elliott situation. And then you go, how much gas does he have left? Can I get eight years out of Jeremiah love? And that's why teams, I think, get nervous with that top 10 pick on a running back.

31:45You know, it's also interesting about that though. See, I do think traditionally, like back in the 2000s, early 2010s, late 90s. Yeah. You used to, you always thought about. Could I get, how much runway can I get with a player? Can I get two contracts out of them? Can I get a decade? Can I get 10 years? You see how fast the league changes now? How much, I mean coaches get two, three years and they're blown up out of there. I do think the mentality has changed some. Meaning, look, we got to win now. Otherwise, we see how impatient owners get right now. Yeah. So I think a little bit of that calculus has changed. Like, I don't know if you worry about that so much as you. Look, with Jeremiah, I wouldn't be worried about that. About doubling down and trying to figure out, you know. What am I going to do with this second contract? I just want to get through his first contract. I want to win some games. I want to be able to go worse the first, like some of these teams are doing. Because if I don't, I may be out of here in the way in which he is able to help you win football games. With his explosive playmaking ability, which is priority.

32:46What number one for every general manager and head coach right now? Why don't the judge take him at two? You know what? Probably because they're thinking this. Look, they're going to believe at some point here that I think they're going to franchise Breast Hall. They really do like Breast Hall and Breast is a good player. And I just don't think that makes sense for them. But I think, look, could Tennessee wind up taking him? Could Arizona wind up taking him? Could the Giants at five for sure wind up taking him? I absolutely think so. I absolutely think that he may not get past the Giants at five. He's what they saw what they gave up. And they understood why they thought they maybe needed to give this up. Meaning let, let's say, Juan go. But they saw the difference that he can make. They saw the difference that he can make. Now, obviously, you need to make sure your say, Juan went to the perfect place with the perfect offensive line at that time. But Jeremiah is different. And I know for a fact as I hear it all the time, it's what every head coach is after. We need guys who can win games on one play. It's too hard to try and go for 10-15 plays.

33:48And Jeremiah can do... I had a running back coach told me this. Tell me this, Dan. He said, you know who he reminds me of? He goes, don't, don't, don't sit. I'm not saying this is the one-to-one comparison. But he moves with the ease and fluidity of Eric Dickerson. That's what it reminds me of. And I haven't heard anybody in my entire time of scouting since I got done playing. Compare anybody to Eric Dickerson. Nobody. Nobody, not a single runner. That was pretty high praise. And I respect the highlight of this guy who told me that. You're in love with love. I see. Yeah. I'm not the only one. Everybody is. Yeah. He's this special. Yeah, but see, then I go back to the Gets. Why not have another playmaker? Yeah. Okay, I have Breeze Hall. I get another playmaker. I want to put pressure on you on the defensive side. Yeah. Now deal with this. We'll incorporate these guys in the offense. If he's in the second best, most of the valuable player, they're different smaker. I have a hard time passing them on. The only problem is,

34:49like, they were, they were, like, epically, historically bad on defense. Like, they have no playmakers inside. They gave all of them a win. I'm just going to score more points. We don't even have to score one more point, Lewis. Well, then, I mean, what you're looking at is, you know, can we address it somewhere later on down the line? I know. They're going to get a quarterback, too. So that's the other thing, too, Dan. I mean, what are they going to do at 16? What are they going to do? I mean, are they going to wind up taking a guy? I'm sitting here looking at my board. I'm going, hey, man. They got to get somebody. They got to get somebody to pull the trick. I don't know. They think I've got so many different things going on there. But yet, Jeremiah's got a lot of people right now in personnel department sitting there going, should we? We saw what Jameer Gibbs did. We know what B. John Robinson can do. We saw what Sequan can do when he's at the right spot. Are we set up to where we can get that kind of return on investment if he's ours? And I think that's, this is, this is the fun time of year. It's a fun time of year for us. I don't know how fun it is for the teams. And we're actually trying to make these decisions.

35:49But there are some dudes, man. There are some guys right now who just showed over the week, over the past week, that the athletic component of the game is skyrocketing. These athletes are insanely, insanely talented and skilled and trained. And the game has never been more specialized and more athletic than it will be in 2026. That's for sure. Great to talk to you as always. Of course. Thank you, bud. All right. Lewis Ridic of the mothership. Here are the updated odds, draft kings, the NFL draft. Who will be the number two overall pick after Fernando Mendoza? Arvel Reese is your favorite. Then David Bailey. Bailey's out of Texas. Tech. Is that the edge rusher? Yeah. All right. Ruben Bane, Jr. The Third. Caleb Downs. Sonny Stiles. Ohio State. Ty Simpson. And then Jeremiah Love.

36:50But Jeremiah Love is plus 4,500, where as Arvel Reese is minus 140. The jets are not going to take Jeremiah Love. I'm not going to take a quarterback, Ty Simpson either. But Sonny Stiles had a great combine. And I'm not sure what happened. Was it Cornell Tate, the Ohio Statewide receiver? And he ran a pedestrian 4,5, which is average. Actually, it's below average. And then all of a sudden, Adam Schefter tweeted out that there were other people at the combine hand-held who had him in the 4,4. Now, I don't know if Adam has mentioned this, that there are other players hand-held times that would be better than the actual official time at the combine. But it certainly sounded suspicious. And Drew Rosenhaus is Cornell Tate's agent. Now, I'm not saying that Drew Rosenhaus asked Adam Schefter to, hey, there's some hand-timed.

37:59So, wait a minute. I'm going to take a hand-timed 40 over the actual system that they've been using for years. What if the hand-time was worse than the actual combine? What did he have reported that? Rear snarky. Yes, Marvin. But I'm going to give Tate the benefit of the doubt because he's a Ohio Statewide receiver. I think I'll take my chances with him. Just because of the lineage that the guys that they've produced as of late. Okay, but why do we need to maybe adjust his time so it passes the eye test here? No clue. Because it said I went to Ohio State as a wide receiver. Yes, period. Yes. I went to Ohio State. I don't have to run the 40-yard dash. He could have done that. But if you run a 4-5, whatever, and then all of a sudden there are hand-timed 4-4s, I just want to know if Adam has reported on any other players that had hand times that might have been better than their 40-yard dash.

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44:14But they were going to get out because all it takes is one person to tell one person. And then, you know, one of these NFL insiders has that information and then you're going to reveal it. Todd, I'll start with you. Best and worst of the weekend. My best of the week in the nuggets thunder game, very entertaining Friday night thunder. I took it 127, 121 and over time. SGA squad 36 and it's returned from a strained abdomen. OK, see able to pull away with this star on the bench during the overtime period. Worst 14th rank Kansas lost for the third time in their last five games. Falling to number two, Arizona. No shame in losing to number two, but three out of five losses. They lose by 23 points in Tucson. Sweden. My best of the weekend. I'm going Kenyan Sedeek. That dude had a monster combine. He ran a sub 4 4 40. He jumped. He had a 40 plus inch vertical. And he jumped over 11 feet at 220 pounds. That's crazy. That kids a thing. My worst of the weekend. Actually, though, Ohio State Buckeyes.

45:17If you're watching the combine and you see one after the other absolute superstar player, Arvel Reese. You have, oh, look, sunny styles. Look Caleb Downs. Didn't barely even mentioned him. Caden McDonald. They had all of these players showcased at the combine this week. It's like, man, how did they not win a national championship? How did they not win a big 10 championship? Yeah. The Kenyan Sedeek. I remember they were playing Indiana. And I saw him on the field and I go, I'll be damned. Who's who's going to try to guard him? But a tight end. He's 6 3 2 40. And he ran a 4 3 9 40 yard dash 43 and a half vertical. For some reason, he reminds me like different positions. But just the way like he looks when he plays. And the way he plays, he reminds me of like Anquan Bolden or something. Yeah, he has like this sort of shape about him. And the way that he just looks out there, he's like the second coming. Marvin Bestonwards to the weekend. Best of the weekend. No bias here. Yukon Ford, Alice Care Band scored 23 points and it went over Seton Hall.

46:17And before the game, he was inducted into the Huskies of Honor. Sorry, Seton about Seton Hall. What? What should have been my best beating an unranked team at home? It doesn't really seem like that. It's the biggest. It's the biggest. No, no, Seton Hall is not the biggest. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, now that is unnecessary. You take that back. Another fire. How dare you? Seton Hall is East. Whoa. What the beast of the Easter? Are you kidding me? What the hell? What else, Marvin? Worst of the weekend. Twentyth rank Arkansas getting mollywap by 34 points and losing the Florida. I didn't want to reach out to John Calapari after that one, you know. Sometimes if they play well, I'll send him a text. Paulie Bestonwards to the week. Best of the weekend watching the Combine. Offensive tackle from Bama. Caden Proctor, 67352. He dropped 15 pounds for the Combine. He ran a 52140, which is actually great. His vertical is 33 inches at 67352.

47:19What an unbelievable prospect. And then the worst of the weekend, USC basketball, one of their leading scores, Chad Baker, Masara. He came out of the game and couldn't tell if he was hurt or not. And then when he said he couldn't go back in, he went and sat in the stands next to the fans. And doesn't look like he's going to continue with the team. Very awkward story. Hmm. Okay. He's no longer a member of the men's basketball team to school announced on Sunday. Okay. Awkward moments. Yeah, Mark. He's also 26 years old. Hmm. Legit. He's 26. Yeah. I was a completely different player at 25 than I was at 18 or 19. And you see some of the, like Greg Odin. When I saw Greg Odin, when he was a freshman at Ohio State, I go, he ain't 18. He ain't 19. He look like he was about 37. Jeffrey in Michigan. Hi, Jeff. Good morning, guys. Good morning.

48:19I got a T-shirt idea and the best in the worst of the weekend. A T-shirt idea. I survived the great Dan Patrick Fire of 26. Wow. That would be great. I would totally buy one of those. Hmm. A best of the weekend. Was the Michigan State University Ohio State hockey game that 14 round overtime shootout was insane. And then the worst of the weekend are these rumors about David Montgomery wanting out of Detroit. We can't break up Sonic and Knuckles, man. Yeah. Yeah. He wants to be the featured back. I'm not going to be that with Jameer Gibbs. But that was a great two-headed monster. All right. Two hours in the books. One more to go. We'll talk to Jeremy Fowler. He's an NFL reporter for the mothership. And just the quarterback situation going on. And, you know, something as simple as Mendoza goats of the Raiders. Is he going to go in as a starter? Who's the backup? Kyler Murray to Minnesota? What about two to Minnesota? Anybody go into the Jets?

49:20Anybody? Anybody? So we'll talk about the quarterback carousel. March is here. Combine is over. Moving towards the draft. This isn't I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human.