Hour 2 - Get Married and Have Kids

0:00This is an iHeart podcast guaranteed human second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show just to give you a little bit of a road map because we are stacked today with a lot of news to talk about but also a lot of excellent guests will be joining us here in the mix 130 Isabel Brown of the Daily Wire she had this crazy idea she said deeply controversial pay half families have babies the ladies of the view very upset with this clay i will note particularly upset that anyone would dare to have a child while trump is president it's just too horrible it's just too terrible out there how how could you have a baby while Donald trump is making mean jokes about rocio donnell uh it's it's a reality folks people are still having babies even though trump i'm hoping we're going to have i'm hoping to have more babies while trump is president i'm i'm going to try to try to run up the scoreboard here so yes there's that and we

1:01also have a representative chip roy of texas will be with this his career criminal accountability act i really want to talk to him about that in addition clay to the dhs shutdown situation because the crime thing is just it's just too much now we have too much data we've lived through this reality three strikes laws are a good idea mandatory minimums for certain crimes are a good idea the soft on crime stuff across the board has really just been a massive failure that's resulted in a lot of suffering for innocent people and victims can i give a positive here too uh as we are starting off hour number two uh the dow as tensions in a run are seen by the market as declining substantially is now up nearly a thousand points um roughly two percent on the dow s and p five hundred uh for those of you out there with s and p five hundred index funds it's up about two and a half percent um a huge rally uh the russell uh two thousand is a larger index of stocks

2:07also surging so i do think this is somewhat interesting buck um MSNBC and see it in every time the stock market goes down under trump they put the ticker in the corner right of the screen so that all of their audience is aware of the fact that stock market prices are down zero mention of one of the biggest rallies in in recent memory i mean a thousand point increase in the dow was a crazy amount to to be popping um zero mention of that fact so just FYI out there the market seem quite optimistic that uh that things are uh easing in iran and that uh that that things are moving more towards a resolution in that respect and then there is so we're talking about the crime thing there with chip roy will get into that uh because i just think you've seen how this how this works around the country you enforce the law you back law enforcement yeah of course you hold law

3:08enforcement to account but that's not the problem the problem is not a lack of accountability for law enforcement the problem is lack of accountability for criminals and that's the that's the case in cities all over america it's obvious the data is clear something needs to be done about it uh we'll discuss that but on the tsa dhs delay side uh looks like things are better we got our team checking in on there's some websites where you can go and look at the various delays but here is so guys pull that up for me giving those recent uh but here is the mbc news report at the houston airport from this morning and this is cut one here's what it sounds like over there we're talking about a drastic change here at houston's bush intercontinent so we're last week we saw lines up to four hours and now you can see passengers virtually walking right up to an agent or an officer and being able to give them uh their ID and go through that screening process and we've been looking at airports throughout the day baltimore new york philadelphia all wait times of under a half hour i will tell you travelers here and i'm sure across the country certainly

4:11relieved i still think clay that this is one of the most clear examples we have of very important uh bifurcation a very very important difference in the democrats and the republicans today and that is the democrats create problems republicans solve them or at least try to and in this case looks like salt yes um and uh again i think linda from arizona who i hope let her let us know linda we we meld you the autographed trump hat it came to my house and then uh we mailed it out to linda uh if she could reach out and let us know she got that that would be great but the tsa decision was brilliant i i looking buck their reports out there and i flagged them i'm into mentioning that basically the uh the ice agents were effectively running the tsa checkpoints um and were doing so in a really expeditious fashion at la guardia airport for instance i saw our friend wilcane

5:14tweet out that he was certainly was going to miss his flight but the ice agents were shepherding everybody through and basically checking IDs and uh and and helping to ensure that you got through and i got to tell you i mean i right now who do you trust more to be able to help you uh with security i sorted the tsa to me it's ice i saw where they saved a life you see the one year old started to choke and i think it was in a new york airport and an ice agent uh managed to uh to take care of it i saw ice agents passing out bottles of water holding places in line for people with young families um i saw an ice agent pot passing out lollipops to little kids um i actually think this work quite well by the way update uh looks like jfk is basically the only airport in america that has substantial uh wait times right now our staff doing checks on tsa screening everywhere else buy and large new work which is always a little bit of a a mess around 30 minutes i think that's

6:18probably them the math buck 30 minutes would be frustrating but you're okay with it i think anything over 30 minutes is frustrating and look ideally you get through in five or 10 minutes ideally uh but the fact if you can keep it 30 minutes or less most places most of the time uh i think there is a uh a general positivity associated with that i think that this shows that the out of the box thinking the administration engages in can have clear uh clear benefit to the american people and i think that's great now i wanted to uh to make because you know we're gonna have a wrong so i don't want to make her sit there while we go through this i want to queue up a little bit of this for a friend is belbrown from the daily wire um because it is such an important conversation in in our culture right now in america there have been a lot of people and i can only speak to this as somebody who grew up in new york city right so for some of you i mean you call you got married on the younger side probably standard for uh for you know Nashville and for your age age range there uh but i

7:22know so many people in new york now the age keeps going up it's true in california think as well of when people are getting married and also this notion that everyone should delay children delay delay delay delay having kids i wish i had met my wife when i was younger i was just waiting to find the right person to have as a life partner and and to to be my wife and to build a family with because i only i wanted it to be a one and done and want to find the right person and it just took me longer and i think i've been pretty open about that um a lot of people though i think lay have this plan set up in their minds i'm in a way until i have all the money lined up that i need to have the life for my family that i need i also want to have a lot of years this is men and women by the way of being able to go to you know go to taloom or south poudre island or you know whatever and party it up and have fun and delay and delay and delay getting married and having kids as long as i can and i think that there's also this sense that don't worry this is true

8:23for a lot of people the science is there if i'm having trouble i can just sort of turn it's like a light switch i'm 39 and i'm going to turn on i'm going to turn on the kids switch it doesn't work that way biologically it doesn't work that way it gets harder as you get older this is a fact i think a lot of women have been lied to about this by the way a lot of women have been told freeze your eggs it's you know freeze your eggs and wait and now i'm not even getting into people's feelings about IVF or anything else i'm just saying this is the strategy that has been sold to women by corporate america google on these different companies play have a one of their big big enticements for females in the work forces oh you know we'll we'll pay for like five rounds of IVF and we'll you freeze your eggs and do all this stuff wait wait wait wait do as much work as you can be in that office get that VP title have kids when you're 40 that's not a good plan in general for some people it works out fine everyone's allowed their own life path but if you want to have a

9:24family delaying family is something that can be challenging okay and you know this is just the reality of it this is the scientific reality of it and isabel brown was at CPAC and she was just saying to other young people assembled there i just think it's such an important message and again this is a do as i say not as i do thing i waited until i was 40 to get married and i get all that clay did it clay did it the old fashioned what were you 25 26 you were whippersnapper 25 i got 25 25 did if i got married to 25 in new york city i would have been truly the youngest person i know in new york of my other people that i grew up with married just give you a sense of how different it is no one even thought about it till their 30s like it wasn't even a conversation so that's a cultural difference between new york and tenisee here's isabel brown at CPAC last week play two if they're not encouraging your children to grow up and have the courage to get married and have kids more kids than they can afford before they think they're ready it is high time to start it is these choices like deleting our dating apps and putting birth control pills and

10:27saying i do at the altar that ultimately trickle down into the political policies that we will see save our country so many young women i think play benefit particularly young women benefit from hearing this message and the corporate leftist female industrial complex including the view which will get to they are furious when people say this stuff well i think also what it brings home is there is a biological difference that is substantial and they don't want to acknowledge a difference between men and women this is sort of the essence of the democrat party there's a very big difference between what a 35 or 40 year old man can do and what a 35 or 40 year old woman can do when it comes to basic biology men have the luxury of being able to be kind of frankly morons about what biological clocks actually represent because if you're a guy and you wake up suddenly at

11:3045 years old and you haven't gotten married and you've been single and you suddenly think you know what i'd really like to be a dad you can do it and yes are there some challenges that come with being an older dad a hundred percent and you know keeping up with kids your own sperm counts to be frank are more challenging the older you get but it's possible women it is and this look i know that sometimes this people get angry about this but i do think that some women not all some women get to 45 or 50 they have a mediocre middle management job that they have put their entire life into their career and they look around and say i was sold to billet goods i was told life fulfillment came through career and by the way some men have the same realization but it isn't that much fun to be a VP of something i'ma be honest with y'all at 52 years old and be single and have no kids

12:31i mean there isn't for most people a substantial life fulfillment there and so i think people look around and they say i did what i was supposed to do i dominated i was a girl boss and then they're unwilling to acknowledge that their choices were frankly made them sad and so they pour themselves into politics which becomes a vessel for life uh empowerment to them that otherwise would go into their family or in past days buck would go into their faith where you're working in a church and you're trying to build a better and this is how they end up with looking looking really sad and pudgy at a no kings protest that's just the way it goes it's a shame but that's what happens and so we'll talk with Elizabeth brown about this because she's saying hey go get married young have a bunch of kids this is the other part sometimes i really do believe this particularly for men i know it's true um having kids doesn't make your career worse it gives you purpose in life

13:32and taking care of a family and providing for them for men makes you way more reliable and makes you way better often of a human i really think this is true for men for sure because you you have to take into account more than just what you feel like or what you want if you're going to be a good father and a good husband it can't just be i'm just letting it ride because i feel like it you have to make your family relies on your production you got to get up out of bed you can't sit around and play video games all day you can't uh waste away your time if you're driven like most men are to be a provider children for many men clarifies their purpose in life and allows them to be more successful and i think women candidly are more successful when their moms too meaning more successful in creating a family and a legacy because you have something that matters more than just your individual uh you know excitement or uh or frivolity on a day-to-day basis now but well the value let you know something clay the view disagrees and we will come back and hear that

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15:44buck on the i-hards or radio a welcome back in here to clay and buck clay sorry I just jumped in but I'm so excited that I'm gonna let you react to this the view has some advice for women out there I think it's fair to say if you want to be shrill unhappy and bitter in your years beyond 40 listen to the view here's what they had to say about our friend isabel brown who'll be joining a shortly her advice to get married and have kids to young women here's what they say about this play it I think it's just really reckless to be suggesting that people should have children when you now know in this country there's this affordability crisis and for a two person household a married household you need over four hundred thousand dollars for child care over four hundred thousand dollars most people don't make over four hundred thousand dollars so she's advocating for people to be born into poverty people not being able to feed those children people not being able to educate those children and people not being able to house those children at the same time

16:46when this government is cutting all of the services that would allow people to have families over the lifetime of the child or what no no it's a year it's an annual income exceeding four hundred thousand dollars to a four child care okay she's I would I would just say this and I thought about this when I had kids because it's nerve wracking I don't know if you had this this thought buck but I tend to intellectualize everything and this is where history comes in if you are a man and a woman and you are having a baby in today's world as your wife is pregnant and as you are going through the process if you're nervous the average American today even if you are not super wealthy as most people are not your children have advantages and opportunities that dwarf everything that the vast majority of young children born throughout the course of the past two hundred and fifty years of America have had starting with buck the fact

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18:51home dot com slash clay welcome back in clay Travis bucks sexton show we bring in the views most hated villain isabel brown who had the audacity to suggest that people get married and have kids and true to form i believe you have a young child in the background but that child is sleeping i think i've been told right now so she starts to scream everything is fine but you are living as you have preached a buck i was pointing out i got married when i was twenty five is a bell and i had my first we had our first kid when i was twenty eight he is now going off to college this coming fall and it's best decision that i ever made we're fortunate to have three and i got started somewhat young for a lot of men at least who go to school for a long time what is your experience been like and what is the reaction to the view attacking you been like because i just think this is amazing that you got attacked for telling people get married and have

19:53kids is a way to be happy yeah you know clay i'll say first i love that the views most hated woman i might have to make that my Instagram bio moving forward that's pretty fun and in true working mom fashion uh as expected based on what happened yesterday we're in a crazy busy schedule so thank you guys for all bearing with me clearly i'm on the road between a million different news hints today my daughter is speaking in the background but truly like you said this has been the greatest honor of my lifetime i had a baby at twenty eight as well she'll be one at the end of next month and though i am still a working mom and working full time my relationship with my husband and my relationship with my daughter will be infinitely more important to me than my paycheck than at any other time in my life especially right now so i had the audacity to share that on stage at CPAC last week as part of a question i was asked on a larger panel about the importance of family and never in my wildest dreams as a conservative podcaster did i expect that would be what the view is attempting to cancel me over yet here we are where someone like whoopie goldberg has the

20:53audacity to actually look in the camera and say if you tell women to have as many children as they want to then i'm sending you back to the past insinuating that that is not a valid choice and you should not want children if you are a member of generation z in this country i for one i'm really grateful because the demons are getting pretty loud but it's so obvious to me which side is for american families and for actual women's empowerment in twenty twenty six you know is about life to tell you i think that the message that you're putting out there and you're a great messenger for and i really mean this i hope that you can get out and and speak you know i just to as many young women especially who are on that you know starting off that career track you know they want to make partner at goldman or they want to be a you know partner at kravath or whatever you know those are big names in new york city you know they want to be the law firm in dc or the big law firm in Atlanta or they want to be the marketing firm in chicago and there's so much into culture

21:57that tells them wait wait wait grind it out like a guy in your twenties in terms of the hours i got to tell you because i'm on the other side of this you you know you're so young that i can ask your age what are you you're like you're you're not even thirty yet are you how old are you i'm twenty eight yeah you're twenty eight so you're you're a young and i mean you're you're a young blood i'm i'm forty four clay is like seventy i don't even know how old clay is like he's like he's like the he's like gando off the wizard on this show and and i sit here and i say i have so many peers women my age that i grew up with particularly in new york and they turned around at forty and maybe they had the big career maybe they didn't but they turn around and said okay time to find a guy and get married because they deprioritized it and they didn't happen and they're so unhappy about it and they tell me this and for the view not to be honest with with its audience about this i think is just really just really disgraceful disgraceful is a perfect word for it and honestly

22:59what's even more disturbing to me is that every single woman sitting around that table yesterday except for one has children and every one of them except for one has either been married in the past or is currently married the one who isn't is engaged to be married so it's good enough for them and they're able to make this working mom lifestyle work but it's not good enough for general people who apparently can't afford to spend four hundred thousand dollars on child care every year talk about just blatant propaganda and lies and what's really sad to me too beyond all of this clan book is that as a working mom in particular i i realized that there are sacrifices that have to be made everywhere in order to make that type of lifestyle work my mom we're as a working mom always famously said you can have it all but not at the same time and you need a great team behind you to make that happen but how unbelievably pathetic with the bigotry of low expectations to tell women that it is not possible to have a thriving career and to have children look at our second lady of the united states look at the white house press secretary look at partners in law

24:00firms and news anchors and entrepreneurs and investment bankers all over this country who are figuring out a way to manage both but more importantly to prioritize their family and share that with their children in the process if you are a young woman listening to this today thinking you cannot have a career and a family at the same time you absolutely can and stop letting democrats tell you that's not possible well and look thank you for coming on with us and we've talked about this with you before to me having a baby is actually the most important thing that a couple could do because this is one where I don't think it gets any attention everybody wants to talk about catastrophes and how awful things can be many of the greatest western civilizations in the world are having their population collapse Japan Italy many parts of the united states because if women don't have an average of 2.1 children then the population collapses in a hurry I was looking at the data on South Korea the other day I think in South Korea it's less than one child so

25:01while you're focusing on the united states this is actually a western civilization highly educated major issue that is occurring across the world right now we used to talk about being too much population there's a legitimate argument that the population of the world has already peaked and has begun to collapse and you know that's that doesn't seem ideal to me no not ideal in fact the ladies of the view screamed about how we have 8 billion people on the planet what's a few more why why do we need to have a few more in fact 55% of the countries on the face of this planet that make up two thirds of the world's population are below replacement rate meaning they're not having 2.1 children per family we are not in an overpopulation crisis we are in a severely underpopulation crisis and it's time for us all to pitch in because we love humanity and we want it to continue to thrive one other thing here I think it's important is a bell cost people throughout history have managed to raise children you mentioned the view said it cost

26:04$400,000 or whatever the heck they said bucket I were just talking about this I think that having children actually makes parents make more rational choices and put themselves in better positions than they would be if they didn't have children because your stakes as a provider go up so much more significantly than if you're just a single person in other words I think career success often follows parenthood as opposed to the reverse absolutely correct recovering this at length in my full unadulterated response to the view from my episode of my podcast but it turns out a new study that came out last year actually found my daughter wants to weigh in that your wealth throughout your lifetime goes up by 23% if you have children because you are making those smarter decisions and investing for your future and saving for retirement making sure you're providing for your family this lie that all of a sudden a the most important thing is your bank account

27:06is insane but b that all of a sudden you're going to be severely impoverished and living in poverty for the rest of your life if you have a child is truly just another arm of the propaganda that they must pedal in order to convince young women to abandon the idea of a family do you feel like we're speaking is well brown of the daily wire gotta give some shout out to go check out our podcast because she's got kids to feed but if we're speaking to isabel brown about what's going on here in this conversation that she's taken on just by telling women the truth and the women of the taking a umbridge really and i think that's the proper word umbridge some of it is just their trump derangement of course they're like how could you have kids in a world where Donald Trump is president it's like uh i don't know like to not have kids because Trump is president is sort of probably insane and should probably institutionalize if that's your point of view uh but beyond that i i feel like the culture is is starting to change there's a shift now is about words not considered anti women or anti female or at least you can't be shouted down the same way for saying

28:07things like one being a mom for most moms that i've ever talked to and i know a lot of moms i'm married to one uh and i had one um that being a mom is the job that they revere the most of all jobs and number two that sure if you want to pursue a career if you have a certain area of excellence that you want to pursue in the workplace that's fine there's nothing wrong with being a mom and taking a break from that and going back to it later that that i just feel like you know i had so many women in my class at amorous i'll just speak to my personal experience i'll speak from the eye perspective who went into investment banking and clay i remember thinking at the time that's a horrible idea because all the guys who are doing it are going to crash out they're not going to last more than a few years for the most part they're going to try to transition to other areas of finance they were essentially mortgaging their 20s to make money in abundance so that they could then be a provider for a family later on women don't have to make these same choices that they don't have to compete in areas like this if they don't want to

29:12and i just feel like they're being pushed into this in a lot of again they should have the freedom to do whatever they want work wise i get that but i feel like the culture is shifted and it's they're telling women you can be a mom it's okay you can be a mom young and it's okay you can pick a career later and it's okay you're absolutely right and i do think it also matters if i can jump in here for a second to say there is a gender divide here that matters very very deeply recently few research found that for young men under 35 they're number one and number two political priorities are to get married and to have children but for women under 35 whether you voted for Donald Trump or Kamala Harris in the last major election that's their seconds to last priority politically speaking at the personal level and at the country level it's because of this propaganda that's being directly targeted to young women in particular and why it matters for female voices in these beautiful feminine voices with influence people like Brett Cooper and Riley Gaines and Alibat Stucky promoting the joy of motherhood to this generation that's how we continue to

30:13continue shifting that culture the same way you just mentioned but buck the trend of all of this crazy stuff we see on the view and the likes of other network shows i want to let you talk to young women on this in particular but buck and i were just talking about it before you came on there is a biological difference between men and women when it comes to having children particularly if women out there are thinking hey i'd like to have two or i'd like to have three which is i think why population is often collapsing because if women wait until the 35 to have their first kid the math on having multiple kids becomes very difficult if men wait until the 35 to have their first kid and marry younger we don't have the same biological constraints does part of this tie-in to trying to convince women that men and women are exactly equal biologically i see this as connected with like men being able to play women sports and all these things there's a big difference between the sexes and women are being sold to build a good men don't have to think about babies frankly as early as women do yeah well clay that how it's so oppressive will be you how

31:18dare you say yes i know the remotely is a biological difference between men and women the women of the view actually pointed this out yesterday on the show that we're all one group of women and i'm realizing now they're admitting that you do need a uterus in order to qualify as a woman it's impossible to be a woman with a penis so glad we arrived here in 2026 all of that said there's certainly a biological component to all of this and i don't find it coincidental that as you've seen the decline of the american family from the numbers perspective and the decline in our fertility rate you're also watching one in seven married couples today trying to conceive facing what they're calling unexplained infertility because this is waiting so much later in life to when you're facing all kinds of issues that's also being exacerbated by our food supply in the pharmaceutical industry uh but the reason the fertility rate is the lowest it's been in a hundred years in america today in 2026 is largely because women are just choosing not to have kids that is a severe problem it's something that you don't have the opportunity to go back in time and reverse

32:20and needs to be messaged to women while they're young and that ability is before them women should have kids in their 20s biologically that's just the reality yeah isn't it strange that to say that it's almost like you can't say anymore at least they try to make you not say that women do not in fact have penises you're also not allowed to say that biologically it's best for women they have the highest chance of success the highest chance of a successful pregnancy all those things in their 20s in their 30s yes to but it starts to go down in your 40s you're talking about really it's called the geriatric pregnancy over 35 it's high risk for a reason that's what it is called so anyway you got to keep speaking the truth on this is about we appreciate you uh go to the daily wireless isbel brown and also I've just note the little baby in the background perfect perfect this conversation I got to say it's it's like you this is real life yeah you know the women of the view may all be moms but this is what real working mom life looks like it's not in a multi-million dollar TV studio and yeah it's the most beautiful thing I've ever done it's worth

33:20pursuing if you're listening to this yeah even the ones on the viewer moms that doubt they've ever changed the diaper themselves I think the staff does that for them but that's another conversation thanks so much as well great to talk to you you know thank you guys here in Florida land of the free I love it the sun can do a number on your plants though I love that beautiful sunshine big beautiful sunshine but it can scorch your plants if you don't have the right kind of plants this is a problem Karen I've dealt with this I'm going to tell you out on our balconies we have plants and they look like they've been lit on fire sometimes because we have the wrong plants but this is where fast growing trees comes in okay fast growing trees is awesome not just because of the variety so many different plants trees all kinds of stuff but also the expertise because you can buy really cool looking stuff but if it's not right for your area whether you're in Michigan or Miami if it's not right for your area you're not going to have a good result and having plants having stuff in your yard around your house plant life that is beautiful that you can just you can enjoy it really just brightens up your day and I think it's critical so

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35:24texted show uh windy on long island weighing in uh thanks to Isabelle brown a lot of reactions pouring into that windy what you got for us and eras says on your tombstone beloved employee of colgate pa malas and um you could even look back to the bible and you could see how important it was to women to have kids so hello yeah we're here oh yeah so because i'm not saying that women should go to those extremes to have kids but i think that men and women were not meant to be alone and having a family is very rewarding and i think that people should consider that i believe a very intelligent voice once said go forth and multiply yeah look i i i think what Isabelle is talking about is so incredibly important i think you're starting to see it buck we didn't ask Isabelle this but one of the major issues is if women now and this is the reality are not getting married on average until after the age of 30 the ability to have multiple children when you are

36:30getting married after the age of 30 is a very significant biological challenge and so a lot of this is just when people get married and also you went through this three times but when my baby smiles it's my favorite thing i think i've ever seen in my life