Hobbies: The Unpaid Secondary Careers

0:00Got my second cup of coffee that I'm starting now. I am on latte for Okay, I can't compete with that. I had to I die when I got up this morning I had to expedite my shower and Miley going to the bathroom So I had time to run a target to get more milk Because you're needing for for a lot of it Good thing it's one minute from your house Welcome back to Taipei Unhinged the podcast for the Architects of Order and the Masters of Chaos Hi, Dye. How are you? I'm doing it great Nate. How are you? I Spectacular. I still it still feels surreal that we actually launched our podcast. I know it took us what a year Hey, we had to figure out our routine in our groove and we have so many other things going on, you know

1:02jobs Side jobs consultancy advising Pobbies we pick up along the way Speaking of which yeah, what a great segway Dye We are just talking the other day about hobbies and how more often than not for a type A person a hobby can become an Unpaid secondary career and I thought what a fun topic to dissect today Yeah, that was one I think we both definitely vibe done It was like oh my gosh. Don't tell me anything about what's happened to you because I want to hear it and get completely natural reactions on the pod 100% and I have so many examples in my head right now already where I have done this We're actually so my office As I look around here, I can see several hobbies that have kind of gone to Dye I hop around from a hobby to hobby Sometimes I pick them back up, but it's it's rare. So I definitely have supplies from multiple things I just don't really use anymore. I

2:03look I can relate okay, so well I don't know that's a bad response try again What a great segway Dye we were just talking the other day about hobbies and how type A people to pick up hobbies and ultimately it becomes a I hate that And this is the first time we're like trying that right like normally we kind of at least talk through our outline ahead of time And this time we're like no, let's save the reactions. Yep. We're just gonna go for it So today's theme why type A's can't just relax without a spreadsheet A specialized toolset and a certification Would you say that sums it up well? Very much so definitely I go deep and I go hard and I spiral all the way down And then it gets left to the side because then I find something new that I'm interested in

3:05repeat There's one that I know of that I think would be great to bring up is Okay, so what what was the moment when it was like well? Well, this looks neat. This looks like something fun I believe you got your server to host your family's Recipe website you're creating and that turned into a whole thing That's not just a little oh, I'm just gonna create a website for my family now. I'm buying a server How did that happen? Yeah, that's definitely the best example that I have I would dub it The time a cool idea turned into a 3k line item To be fair I did have an old desktop that I had converted into a server before but I had dubbed it wasn't good enough to do what I wanted to do But I definitely went from one extreme all the way to the other But yeah in my laundry room closet in the corner There was some unused space and I built a new server and threw it in there

4:08And now I have all of these capabilities like hosting websites or really what I was into hosting AI And I've monetized it for exactly zero dollars I had all these wonderful plans of the great things I'm gonna do and to be fair I'm using it. I'm getting a ton of value out of it out of it. No regrets. Enjoying it It turned into a full-time unpaid hobby that I'm funding Yep That like all-in mentality I think that And maybe it's not even type A I don't know if it is specific to type A's but like that's definitely something that I have It's like I'm gonna try this I'm not just gonna like one thing I have for example There's there's big basket to my left over here that's just been sitting in the corner forever Of maybe I'll hold it up just to just to hear your reaction here One moment here we go Little heavy. It's pretty big Here's the basket Okay, okay. Oh Is shut up. Is that yarn? It's filled with yarn and not just yarn mind you

5:12Okay, you've got knitting needle but not just one pair We've got the kind that go around in the circles a little ASMR for you Right, okay I have so many like this Wait, what's that like wire? So that's for like making hats and stockings of which I've done both Yeah, so he's knitting in the round is what it's called Yeah, I took a class bot pattern tons and tons I've made scarves. I've made cute button hats. I've given them his gifts I went so far as almost to open up like an Etsy shop And I love yeah, but then I moved on Okay true true Okay, so I think I'm gonna do it again, but then Then I just never do I think I still have a project in here that's unfinished You and your daughters to do that together. Yeah, look at this here's first start of the hat Oh, that's cute

6:13So quick vibe check die. Yeah, if you don't have like dedicated room for it Is it is it a hobby? I feel like I don't have a dedicated room for it They all come to you have that basket. I do space is a dedicated space Um, I would say yeah, you kind of need to if you're actually gonna make it a hobby and not just something you try once Yeah, you need to have a space for it And maybe I need to have a space on Facebook marketplace for Yeah, I'll just get rid of this one sitting here Hey I I hate having clutter on my house and whenever I declutter it's all of my old hobbies that I picked up hardcore for two weeks And then dropped and never picked up again What is a hobby that you picked up for the shortest period of time? Okay I want to put a twist on that yeah, because I was planning to ask you what's the

7:15Like most expensive hobby That is now collecting dust and I was thinking about it in the same mindset right like maybe Short period lid, but most expensive so like however you want to evaluate that The one coming to mind for me is how like I love cars, motorcycles, all of that stuff, right? So a couple years ago, I had this $600 Amazon gift card that someone gifted to me and nothing on my wish list Okay First of all, yeah, I don't know I don't know But I decided to get the full on powered racing wheel with the shifter and the pedals Oh, I didn't go as far as getting the whole crate that takes up a whole room in like moves But it had the whole stand that you mount all of this to and it pulled up to the couch So when you're sitting on the couch, it feels like you're in a car And like this steering wheel has four speedback the pedals have four speedbacks So even when you're breaking it feels like you're breaking in real life. Wow

8:17um I think I played it three times and I haven't touched it since And it's diet's one of the coolest things and I'm I like I hide it in the corner of my closet Because I don't even want people to ask about it when they come over because I'm so embarrassed. I don't touch it Why do you think that is that we we buy like the pro version when we haven't even like gotten past that beginner level There are one hundred dollar steering wheel sets And I went to the six hundred dollar one. I mean to be fair you did have the Amazon gift card So treat yourself, you know, it was not the best use of my rainy day savings Yeah, you definitely could have made that go a little further. You could have fueled three hops for a hot minute So what's yours? My most expensive um Would probably be I got really into the the DIY Uh, I guess you would call it furniture building Space for a hot minute and I still will go back to it, but I mostly I really wanted a

9:21Garden bed. So like during COVID 2020 2019 we couldn't really do anything and It's beautiful out springtime my husband was sick of mowing the lawn in the backyard because it's basically a 45 degree incline And he let me turn it into a garden So I rented a What's it called you can remove your lawn side cutter. I rented a side cutter from a place down the street Struggled with it my neighbor from behind my house came out and he's like do you need some help? Because the hell right Rolled it up posted on Facebook people came and took it went to landscaping place and bought these really giant Boulder rocks and everything multiple trips back and forth Not as this beautiful tiered garden, but I wanted some veggies and we have bunnies that like to live under the deck for a neighbor's house So I was like I need something raised on top of it. So not only am I oh sure spending all this money to I mean I'm saving money. Nate. I'm saving money

10:21Even though I'm spending money because I'm doing it myself I'm doing it myself Not paying a landscaper. I have beautiful like steps and everything, but anyways, so I'm like I'm gonna I'm gonna build A guarded bed and it has to be raised it can't just be the little like Coming straight out of the ground because the bunnies will get to it. So I bought some saws I want What's it called a Craig jig I haven't used it in a while But I bought all this stuff and I found a play on online and I built this really pretty A couple feet off the ground to turn out to tier garden. Yes, raised garden bed with a trellis behind it So the tomatoes can grow up and it sits on the side I have herbs in there every year. I still use that every year. So I guess technically It's in use, but then I went and I built a desk for my daughter and again found that online

11:22And painted it all the colors she wanted and hand stenciled the top and everything and it and it opens up and closes so she moves it kind of like a vanity instead of having doors and It turned out good except It's really top heavy like the The plans. I don't think we're very good because it kind of like shifts a bit. Yeah, and and anyways So I kind of like but I but I built that So I keep trying to think of ways to to change it up, but that I did just swap out like the legs or something like redo Just the legs probably I just haven't gotten there again because I did that during covid And then the world opened back up and now I have all of these Saushing right chase and tools collecting Dust in my garage So you made too cool or too cool things. Yeah, all the tools you bought thinking it was gonna be a long-term hobby air collecting dust Probably should get back to that

12:24But it was fun. I enjoyed it But I move I moved on to other songs So that's my most expensive all those tools While you're going through that that actually reminded me of another question that I was gonna ask you But have you ever spent like for example 40 hours of YouTube research to save 50 bucks on a DIY? Because you're talking about building furniture and I have definitely done that too like the intent is like I'm saving money I'm not calling a technician out and then it's like a week later You've spent all your free time researching this on YouTube ordering parts and you're like all right That maybe wasn't the best use of my time um I don't know that I've done that other than like the furniture side of things But it's not too much research I guess maybe discovering which tools to get my husband has definitely done that we did that with um with our oven the like Now mind you this was a Kenmore oven. It was in our house when we moved in Kenmore's a Sears brand that has not existed for quite some time

13:26Okay, so this is an old like 20 years old and the panel that you like touch to turn it on and everything was pushed in and the light wouldn't turn on anymore Saying that like it was in use or was pre-heat kind of thing So he researched bought replacement parts opened up the back panel zapped himself accidentally um Yeah, he's fine, but like yeah, it wakes you up um tried replacing it and it didn't work This still works. Yeah, I knew ovens But we tried to try it when it was $40 and his time but Yeah, I don't I didn't spend 40 hours, but I did this uh fixing my washing machine They like wasn't getting through spin cycles and so I ordered a new blotch assembly kit And belts and then I spent like I don't know eight hours after how do you take this apart? We're in the parsing to go How do I solve this out and put it back together

14:27And I was proud by the end, but I think I would just call someone next time yeah Or maybe now I know so I guess I'm kind of through the learning phase and it would be quick, but Okay, do you ever have hobbies or do you ever suspect so we've talked about a few hobbies that like we picked out We went all in and then now they're collecting dust Sometimes I Speculate that it's the learning part that we like the most like the figuring out what buttons to press the most optimal workflow or like best tools to save you time or you know Whatever you whatever angle you want to look at it And then sometimes if that dries up or like we become the master like that's why it starts collecting dust Okay, I never thought of it that way and that has got to be so it like if that makes perfect sense because I I love learning like get give me something new to do otherwise. I am bored and Absolutely Wow that you know why else that makes sense too is because I started painting

15:28Um, and not just like abstract stuff and I started this A long time ago. I don't know even pre-COVID. I did one of those like wine and whatever class type things Yeah, I wanted to do one by why would you rec? Oh, yeah, for sure. It's fun. Wait. Well, it's a gateway. Should we do one? It's an eight we should But it is it is a gateway. I'm going to warn you. Um, I have I have You probably you can't see right? This is the other corner of the room in this cabinet Her paintbrushes galore and all of those drawers are filled with paints the paint pallets and I have To see what all it is in the corner over here um Yeah, I went all in but the fun thing is though my daughter really enjoys it too And so sometimes we'll paint together like if we have a weekend in the summer and there's nothing going on Like our entire dining room table will just be covered with everything that we need Have you painted your teared garden? Have I painted it? Um, no, but my daughter did paint one. I painted it

16:30I painted some irises that I had cut and put in a vase some still life but She did she did it was a little more abstract. It was a few years back. She wasn't really young But yeah, she did paint she painted the card in one But I have one that I've been working on for quite some time and I just need to get back to it I'm going to show it to you. It's my cat who's actually sleeping next to me in front of my space eater But I did this one off of a photo and it's not done yet, but shut up. That is so good. Yeah. Are you kidding me? See so you can see I started whiskers over here, but there are no whiskers over here I still have to get all the white in the texture in there, but Yeah, so gateway Learn a whole bunch of different brush techniques and how you layer things and yeah definitely feel like that's one thing where you can keep learning it So maybe that's why I wasn't gonna say I had it totally given it up sometimes. I like take breaks from it um, but yeah Okay, I think you're totally right is the learning thing

17:30So what's one what's one thing that you've had like that where you've learned and are still continuing to do it Maybe because they're just really isn't a an end point or you can I don't know. Yeah, so I was trying to think like one of my most expensive, but also still all in is Mortar cycling And it's expensive because the bike is expensive plus you have insurance then all your gear When you're justifying buying a bike, you don't think about all the other things you need to go with it So you basically like You justify the expense of the bike and then you have to double that to get all of your gear It's crazy, but so fun and worth it But over the course of like the last six seven years while I've been biking I've been so into it that I've started doing kind of what you did where every time I need to repair something or work on my bike I buy the tools so that I can just keep doing it because so far I haven't lost any interest, right? I think that's for me a perfect example But I I attribute that to every single time I work on my bike I'm definitely learning something saving money, etc

18:32um But even when I'm not working on it if I take it out for a ride I'm learning technique or getting better at operating it like there's just so much to study and improve on with Biking I think that would be my answer I finally decided I was wasting too much money on Changing out tires. So I bought my own tire changer machine Which is a seven hundred dollar Machine And I was like oh, I'll get this paid off. I mean I could go on and on out about this forever I did the math and it actually was worth it like I've I've changed a much tires But the funny part is is it fits right into our theme of today of it becoming an unpaid secondary career because I was gonna pay it off by changing my own tires But all of my friends and family found out about my tire changer kit And I think I changed my tire twice last year and I changed 14 other people's tires Maybe you could write off your garage portion of your house And set up a separate business charge them five dollars to do it or whatever

19:35Then at least you're getting go for the write-off. Yeah Yeah, that's a good idea So my machine is paid off right like as far as value out it's paid off, but it hasn't exactly I haven't gotten all of the benefit out of it yet. Right. That's okay I'll still need new tires this year next, but that's probably one of mine. You'll keep writing And but I'm sure what will happen is this year something else will break and then I'll have to buy new tools again And learn a new part and and I think that's why it stays exciting though, right? Like every year there's something new I'm doing with it or I think that that can lead to other hobbies too like Like the app that you've created the hangout spot like utilizing that for getting together with people For the motor like motorcycle rides that you do and everything like it leads That hobby leads to other things you can learn that tire back into it I agree which Drives more engagement right and excitement like when I was building the hangout spot you betcha I had all of my motorcycle friends in mind like it's like I meet somebody and if I meet five people on a bike ride

20:38Three of them tell me that the only reason why they have a Facebook is because they finally broke down and decided to create one Just so they could join the biker groups And even when you're in there, it's still not that great for organizing Events like public events sure if you're a venue and you want to get it out there sure But like private events. It's kind of like buried. It's hard to find the notice. It's like not it's clunky And people don't always necessarily have a Facebook. So yeah, I totally agree I definitely had my biker friends in mind when I was when I was building that Let me back up for one second and acknowledge. Yeah, how many something we were Do you realize you betcha I had that I just had I mean all you betcha Actually on the hangout spot if you get sent a link in like messenger or LinkedIn or Snapchat All of them have in-app browsers which like don't play nice with the Google sign-in So I made a splash screen that pops up and says like off for best experience You should open this in your browser right and then it says click the dot dot dot and open in browser whatever

21:44Last night I updated that page to say Oh, let's just scooch you on over That's great So have you had similar topics like what we've been discussing this whole time here, but One of the hobbies I picked up last a couple years ago was Breadmaking it's actually kind of comical because I legit Was on the hunt for a cheap hobby because this was like a year after I got really into biking So like I need more hobbies, but it needs to be a cheap one, right? Yeah, making bread Of course, that sounds cheap. I don't know. I haven't made bread As long as it's not gluten-free it's super cheap Okay, like a dollar or low. Do you get into the sourdough thing? That's where I'm going. Yeah, I still very much love making bread And I was like I want to try a sourdough thing and let me tell you like love I love sourdough growing up my parents always made sourdough and like I love the smell of the flavor

22:44Etc. But that definitely became a full-time job because let me tell you that starter Demands a schedule. I'd mine ended up dying and I'm actually okay with that like it went bad Here I was making sourdough muffins sourdough pancakes sourdough bread sourdough dinner rolls getting sourdough starter to my neighbors Because I'm like help it won't stop growing, but I have to feed it And you don't want to throw it away. Feel that Yeah, absolutely. I felt bad like I'm vaguely remembering that because I Remember at one point I thought like oh, maybe I could I should start something like that And I could get some of Nate sourdough But then I remember you complaining about feeding it and I was like maybe not maybe I should just I'm a little jealous of people that have like 20-year-old starter, you know Like I definitely don't have that, but I was reading it's pretty easy to make your own starter But a lot of the flavor comes with how old it is so like sure Questionable, but I was gonna maybe just start my own starter so that I don't have to explain to somebody else why mine died

23:48But and pick it up again, but somehow work on keeping it really small I think my container was just too big so now I was adding too much flour and water and I don't know I don't know, but you also like need a lot when you want to make something big so it's Anyway Do you have any examples where a hobby demanded a schedule? Um, I think my garden is definitely that so I mean I built it and that was great and I'll But then I mean I had a giant tree die box elder bugs whatever It whatever it just died and so we had to get that taken down So there's a whole section of my garden that was shaded before that now gets full sun So I had to spend the next year digging all the shaded stuff out finding new spots for it giving some of it away even and then Trying full sun type plans that I could put there and making it look good transitioning from shade to sun Because it's like my whole like backyard Which was fun, but also very time consuming and you know the kids have summer activities and things like that and so

24:50I it was sometimes difficult my husband's like, why don't you put those things in the ground? You know kind of thing which fair very fair and then I mean every year. I've tried to make it Pretty manageable buying perennials for the most part So I'm not having to replant annuals all the time and then also buying the ones I can't remember the name of it right now of course, but they're the ones that basically you just like Have them all down at the end of the year Or you can all up at the beginning of the year and it grows again. So it's not like a lot of like Upkeeping of a bush to make sure that like things are rubbing on each other and that this air circulation is good I have a few hydrangea bushes, but for the most part they're things that Just come right back at the the beginning of every year. However I have learned there are a few things that are are invasive Here in Minnesota that I should not have planted and spent the last like five years digging Them out like snow on the mountain is one of them and I just I mean I sprayed it with so many different weed killers. I finally found the one that worked

25:53And and have the hours and hours. I'm not handling days total Digging this stuff out and then it just keeps like popping back every year And it's a little bit of a root and then just like it's back, right? So there reminds you of that What's it called like Sue Mac or whatever? It's popular here in Minnesota that I do little tree bushes that just grow up everywhere Yep, that does that too. I did not plant that Good, so we don't need to it just shows up Um, I do just want to say though. You've done a really nice job with your backyard. It's a little sanctuary Yeah, I can't wait for it to become summer again and we can Put the projector up and just chill again. Oh heck yeah. Oh, there's lots of rides maids So it would be yes, and it's coming out in summer. So I'll be perfect. Mm-hmm A little fire pit A little lasso Absolutely Well, I'm really interested. I hope people will comment on this episode because I want to hear All the other hobbies people have tried that we absolutely should never pick up

26:55Lesson learned or the We should try that we might like really get into that especially if you can continue to like learn and grow with them That's I'm I'm game all on board for that Sam's ease Are there any regret? Any ever regret Regret picking up Well, definitely the steering wheel example. Yeah That's right I have a couple of those though um You know and This isn't this is a hard one because it's not a regret But another hobby that I went all in on that now I still enjoy and like and I'm happy about but maybe didn't need to go all in on Would be 3d printing And like now that's taking up space and my which is fine like I love it and I do print stuff But like you know again the type a and me had all these justifications one of which was literally everything can be 3d printed

27:59Do you know how many like how many times my 3d printer is like saved the day? Yeah, like once ever You know, otherwise it kind of takes up space Yeah, that's one that sounds like such a cool hobby like my son even said he was like how on a 3d printer I'm like what are you gonna do with What do you make it? Yeah, although although I wonder if those people in the mall that have those kiosks or those stores That are literally just a whole bunch of 3d printed things if they are those type a people that have taken their hobby And turned it into another career, you know what I'm saying? They're all those like like widget things and Yeah, and those people probably wanted the printers for themselves like there's actually websites where I could register my printer as being in My city and state and then people nearby and my price for printing per hour and people can send me their jobs And then you meet in a location say here you go Um, interesting. That's become less popular because a lot of like public libraries have 3d printers now

29:01So what you should tell your son is he should look into like designs online And then you can download slicers and free modeling software like 3d CAD software is need to make your designs Okay, and then you can just go to the public library A lot of times they have print limits so like they say you can't do something that takes longer than three hours to print for example Sure, and then all you do is bring in the material which is super cheap But when you're designing it you can hit estimate print and it will tell you how long so you could like make it more simpler or smaller or whatever Okay, yeah, hopefully that won't be a gateway I like it though Uh, I'm trying to think I got oh Oh My best friend from high school and I got really into For whatever reason making homemade organic bars of soap to use on your dog Oh, yes, I remember that was super cool and fun, but that's probably the biggest waste of time like looking back

30:04We made no money. We never would have made money. We are buying equipment making soap takes so much time It was so fun to experiment and like set up our website and then when we were like selling bars to people like That was cool, but when you factored in our labor. Yeah Not worth it. No, I remember now when you when we first started working together Hearing that you had a website and you were you did the side thing with soap selling for your pets and stuff Oh, okay, I always want I forgot about that and no wonder yeah When it happened I've actually thought about still doing that because people are crazy about their pets Yeah, but I was gonna try to another example This is where I had self-control and didn't make this a full unpaid time Proud of you a full yeah Um, but I was gonna instead of since by the time suck was physically making the soap I was gonna I started actually talking to factories like in China and Indonesia that specialized in making Soaps and sending them my recipe and seeing if they could just produce it for me and ship it over

31:05But emo keys on that were like three thousand bars. So I was gonna be like eight thousand dollars in and I was like Maybe not now That could that could be like eight years worth of soap. You know, I don't know if I want that quite yet And then I let that die I still have the domain, but What about you? Do you have any any regret hobbies that you regret? Um I regret them still taking up space And I don't think I have any hobbies. I actually regret because I've learned something from them or I have something that I like I made Christmas stockings when I like We're knitting and it's still use those and hang them on the mantle every year. So Oh think that I don't think there's any ever correct You know, I know I have some like really great examples, but For the last like five to seven years. I've been on this mission to declutter my life So I think I've gotten rid of it. So since I can't think of it in my house

32:08I know there are examples where I'm like wow, I spent like a couple hundred dollars on buying all this stuff And I used it once and like what a waste Yep I just think like as type is it's we are more prone to like jumping right to professional Excuse me right to professional pro grade versus like Baby stepping in because because we we justify it as like well If I'm gonna buy that and then three days later, I'll grow it and want that instead I might as well just go to that But then we completely ignore the fact that we might not ever even get to that level Sure, that's the cheaper in us. It's like well, of course. I'm gonna. I'm gonna need to do that That's true. I'm gonna go all the way in right like I'm gonna be that yeah I mean, I did not buy the most high-end tools for example. I think I have lots of like rio be Home Depot branch type stuff, you know, but still like I have like four different And we already had a what saw um, so yeah, I don't I don't know And I've definitely still gotten used out of that even though I'm not building furniture and stuff for example

33:13We did this thing called monster limb fix like a limb fix for at at um At our day jobs Whenever right before everybody moved into the new building my creative teams were there And we did our own like version of the office of limb fix and I made a trophy for it So I was like spray painting. Yeah, I mean, I spray painted wood I cut down some dowels and some wooden then I like hand painted it and then I took um A cauldron and some plastic bubbles and like Glue them all together and yeah, I have a nice little trophy, you know, that's fine. I give to somebody So I still find use for those things are I try to I'm like well, I have what I might as well like I've got some of that like Standard wire shelving, you know, like the white stuff with the braces and my closet off to the side here And I really want to replace that with nice wood shelving that's trimmed out To have it be a built-in and so I've been playing around with

34:14Doing that and taking some measurements and I even have a notebook over here sketched out of how I want it to look Um, but then my husband's like you should just go on wafer and buy something I was just he's like that project's gonna take you forever. It's not gonna get done Probably right you know me so well. I was just gonna say props to your husband for knowing you That's so funny All right, I what do you say we wrap today's episode in a challenge to our listeners? Let's do it Okay, so open To ideas here, but I was thinking of let's say the hobby ROI We discussed quite a few hobbies today where I feel like They could potentially lead to feeling guilty about how much you spent whether that be time or resources and maybe now it's collecting dust, right And so although I think it's important we're cognizant of that and financially protect ourselves Um, I still think it's also important to see the other side of it, right? So in this challenge, I was thinking maybe we could ask our listeners to think of like the last

35:18Hobby that was expensive in terms of like time or money That's not collecting dust from last year 2025 And they just think about okay, that maybe they're feeling guilty of right sure And then they just think about let's say they try to goal coming up a three professional skills they learned while doing it So my example is my server, right Definitely didn't achieve my monetization goals, but I've learned a lot along the way specifically a lot more about Linux hosting AI models and orchestrating all that together in containers, right? Probably better than like most of my peers, so I think we have an opportunity to challenge our listeners to come up with a couple of those ideas and reframe that from feeling guilty to Almost being like a seminar of what you learned Yes, I love that. I need to think on that too for sure I feel like all the power tools are probably my opportunity Let go of the guilt

36:20Yes Or even my sourdough starter It's okay It died move on I learned that it's more demanding than I thought there you go Now you can warn others So I guess until next time Yeah, stay type A And a little unhinged Thanks for listening to type A unhinged Now it's time to get to work Make sure to hit subscribe so you never miss a system update Hi team somebody They had a great gift and my fingers were off by one And it have like a semi colon pve t-j-g-o-f And And I wrote that hit enter and then wrote oof Enter my hands were one letter off enter

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