H4 - Penix has said along he'd be ready, but he's not

0:00On the Powers the Bee podcast, we examine the players and currents behind today's most consequential decisions. Join us, listen to the Powers the Bee, wherever you get your podcasts. We are, Duke Symbel. We start off every day and every hour by saying, hey man, inactive? That was a little bit of a surprise. But was it really? We're talking about the decision that was made and announced on Monday as Michael Pinnix will be inactive for week one, T U A is your starter, heading to Pittsburgh. Guys, I don't know what this looks like. Mike doesn't know what this looks like. We hopefully will have an offense that is competent and capable of moving the football and maybe scoring some points. But at the end of the day, this conversation is so much bigger than just what is going to happen in week one, because the Pinnix thing, Mike has a lot of people wondering what the hay is going on. By the way, the game will be right here on Sports Radio 92 9, the game pregame starts at 11, kicks at one o'clock,

1:00and we will have all your Falcon action throughout the course of the season right here. So Cooper rushes the back up. And as Mike and I have discussed this today and talked about it with you, we opened up the phone lines at 4047260929 to hear your thoughts on this. And it has been a whole spectrum from, I don't think he's any good. I don't trust him. I think he's not a dog. When is he coming back? This may be the best thing for the team. It's fine that he made this decision. Mike, I'm looking at this whole spectrum of thoughts and people's ideas about where this is. And here's the thing. This timetable is still not clear. After all this time, we still don't know what this timetable truly is. And remember, he was cleared medically, but he says he's still not there. He says he told coach Stefansky, I'm not 100% and I want to be 100% when I come back and play. So we're still wondering when that's going to be in the meantime. We got a game. And now, as I said, to start the show and I'll say it again for those of you who are just joining us.

2:04Don't cheer or root for your team to lose because you don't like the guy who's at quarterback. I'm tired of losing. Let's go beat the Steelers if we can. And I don't care how we get it done. If we went by one point, I don't care. But the idea, Mike, is because pinnocks is not there. There are people who out there rooting and saying, oh, well, you know what? I don't want this to be successful. You're rooting for the entire team. We're Falcon fans, guys. I mean, we want to see this guy establish himself as the man. Okay. We said this earlier, we went through a number of compared to contrast with different athletes and how they approach it. I've got guys saying this is the greatest thing. This is the most amazing thing a man has ever done in this city because he has the, he has got the balls to say. Yeah, not this week because you know, and again, I'd like I appreciate saying like I love the organization. We all of the organization were all fans. He's he's living, he's living with it right now. He's, he's repented the team said he's not 100% does want to go out there and hurt the team. I got guys go that's. This is my quarterback. Well, not really because he's not playing. But it's, you know, again, you respect it and I get it.

3:05And that's cool. It's just not what many of us, not all, but many of us have come to expect from the guys that play in the NFL. You know, it's in and we've had guys go, well, he should rush back. Okay, but I mean, you cannot compare Michael to a guy who's already established, you know, to a guy who's already got a Hall of Fame track record like a Patrick Mahomes. Who by the way ahead of schedule comes back off the Achilles is going to play week one. Yeah, you know, and he doesn't have to. We are, we compare if you missed a show earlier, we talked about when Mike Vic came back ahead of schedule three weeks to be exact to play in a game that did not matter. Because that's how bad he wanted to get back on the field. So I know it's apples to arges. Dayday brought up the point is you, you, you got mad at Kurt Cousins because he lied and he wasn't 100% and he did hurt the team. He did and that did happen. And that's bad. And that shouldn't happen. I mean, the coach and the coach would have the common sense to step in there. But there wasn't a lot of common sense with this coaching machine in the last few years. No, but again, don't miss the point. It's the mentality that you, I'm not, I'm going to play and you're going to have to pull me off the field.

4:07That's what we're talking about here. What does it take for you to be an elite professional athlete? 90% of it is mental. All these guys are physically gifted. All of them. Michael Pinnix included. But if you're not mentally locked into what you need to do, Mike, I don't want him out there. If he's not going to be mentally able to do the things he needs to do or wants to do or he doubts himself. The thing with cousins as I laid out on Twitter was simply the dichotomy of this situation is one's guys mentality was I'm not coming off the field and I don't give a damn. And we got a guy that we're wondering if he's going to get on the field and when it's going to happen and it makes you question the commitment, the heart and things that we shouldn't be worried about with our quarterback. You know what else to do while we're talking about cousins real quick. You know we won the last four games last season. Was he great? No. He was nice. He was serviceable baseline quality quality, competent quarterback play. Not great. Not great. That's great. Let one of last four games. It didn't matter. I mean it mattered, but it didn't matter because we didn't make the playoffs.

5:09But at the end of the day, that's the that's the makeup and Kirk said, man, you know what I learned a long time ago. Sometimes you got to play hurt. I'm not coming off the field. And that's the mentality we're talking about. 4047260929. Everybody's built different guys. And if pinnocks comes out, whenever he comes out and balls out, great. But in the meantime, he's inactive. He's not going to be your backup this weekend, Mike, because if you can't be the starter, you can't be the backup. Cooper rush is your guy. And let's hope that we don't have to go to Cooper rush and let's hope the two of plays well. That's what I'm hoping for. This whole idea of not giving to a chance because you thought he sucked elsewhere is regardless. When a guy comes to your team, you want him to do well. When he's not on your team, whatever, but he's on our team. I mean, what do you want to do guys? I mean, I want to win. I want to get out of this playoff drought and did maybe win this division one way or the other, make the playoffs. We got a lot of guys that you know, and you know around the league because we got B-john and we got Drake and we got pitch. So let's, I just want to see a reliable delivery system. Now, I really don't want to see two quarterbacks play this year.

6:12I was really hoping that panic students was going to start the season, give us the full sample size. Another year where Michael Pentax is not going to play a full season. First United's fall because he wasn't the starter. But now we also get the depth chart. And one of the things you and I were talking off the air, I just tweeted it. Really cool. Falcons elisted it. I did the link. It's up there with Falcons if you follow them on Twitter. One of the guys listed as a starter. Kendall Daniels. That's awesome. Our man from Oklahoma, we had a great conversation with him back in August. I love his game. I thought, you know, along with Zachariah Bransche, I thought he was one of the guys that popped. At least the, the, the 12 to 15 practices that we saw in person. I just thought he did a hell of a job. And so Kendall Daniels listed alongside Divinity Avilos inside linebacker. That's great. And again, I think the way this is going to work is you will see Harris. You'll see the other guys periodically based on packages and what they're going to do. But I also know this, Mike, and look, we hadn't really spent a lot of time on it because we're still trying to figure out what this is going to look like a quarterback. Guys, I'm thoroughly concerned about the past rush. Thorling. And we're about to go to a, a stealer team and play a stealer team, Mike at home in their place where their quarterback is not a very mobile guy anymore.

7:21And there's a chance that, you know, come Sunday, you can tell me we're going to get, get after and roger. And roger's my question is who and how? Because as we go into this season, it is one of my big concerns. We can talk about the quarterback stuff all day, but at the end of the, at the end of the day, Mike, one of the reasons why we work competitive last year is because we got after the quarterback. Now we want the best defense, but you take an element like that out of the equation and you start to wonder, where is that going to happen? Speaking of dogs, where are those dogs on the edge? Who, who's getting after this guy? Now did we get bigger in the interior? We did. But these are conversations that we get to Sunday. I'm telling you right now. And it's probably going to be one of the things that I continue to talk about because it's a major concern when you're not able to get after quarterback. You know what happens? You guys know this sound? You know what that is? That's a quarterback padding the ball before he delivers it. And when he's doing that all day, Mike, we're going to have problems. I don't care how good the secondary is.

8:22So as we look at this, that is something I'm looking at. And maybe he is a guy getting back to your guy Daniels that can contribute in that area. I just, you know, curious to see what he's got left in the tank talking about Zadaria Smith. He brought some energy. Now again, is he having anything left? There'll be a guy that'll have to step up. Cameron Thomas is actually listening to the story. Now again, I know the fanciest playing loose and fast with his rosters. Maybe kind of kind of dismissed it during the preseason about you know that's how I don't know if this if this is gospel, but this is what's been released. Jesse Bates is going to is listen is this starting safety. So the back issues against say he's good to go. That's good, which is great. Mike Hughes is still starting opposite AJ Torell. You know, Avion is listening at this as the nickel technically with Billy Bowman backing him up. Okay. And Bowman's back. Right. Yeah. And again, we really haven't had I guess a real evaluation. It's still kind of based off of what we knew about Billy Bowman, but he's a Paul Hawkeman. And so I'm just saying I really like the secondary, but nobody's covering eight seconds back there. No, and look, I don't think I'm more concerned is two are going to survive Pittsburgh with, you know, what and what they're going to bring to the table.

9:22You know, it's a really good defense and it's a really bad offense. That's that's why people ask me about Pittsburgh. We're going to talk to Pittsburgh guy covers him tomorrow from the post Gazette up there in Pittsburgh, but it's just every Roger Z. This is it. This is the. Do you really think there's stiller? I'm sure there are. So stiller fans are thinking he's going to lead them to a super bowl. I don't think he's got that. Wow. I'm sure he makes the whole season. He may not, but you know, the goal obviously is to get in the dance. Right. You get to play off. Anything can happen. Like last year. You know, you know, it was all down. Right. You get down. You get down. So, um, but one game at a time for us. And this is week one. And that's kind of where our focus is, man. So we're talking to you about it. You can text us 4047260929. We'd love to hear from you. Mike mentioned the breaking news and we need to tell you it's brazier lady because we're going to talk to Grant McCauley here and less than five minutes. But Bryce elder. Underwent surgery on his knee and Dallas today. It was a scope. So basically a clean up procedure. He's been dealing with them some things. Well, to get grants assessment on this, but Mike, he's going to miss three to four weeks, which means his regular season is done.

10:26Yeah. For all intensive purposes. Yeah. You may see him in October. So that was one that we, again, we weren't expecting that. And Bryce was a guy that like I never thought you maybe see Bryce starting in the best of five necessarily. Maybe, maybe, maybe, you know, but we think it's early. It's sale in Malik. I thought it was a great job from Grant Holmes. Yeah, Grant Holmes had a shut out. You know, what he did yesterday will talk to Grant. But how to play off feel you winning with four. You came out with a four game leading against Philly. I love it, man. Brave stood up, stood up. Yes, you're not yesterday, but Sunday. I thought that game was was incredible. That was the one for me that I was just like, yes, stick it to him. All right. We're coming back. Grant McCauley. Best baseball guy in the business is going to join us. Also a quick reminder for you. That opening week on sports radio, 92 9 in the game is presented by hands free sketches slip ends. Just step in and go. Hey, there is Jill Slesinger. I'm launching a new show. It's called Money Moves and your money is going to move. We're going to help you make better financial decisions. We're going to call out the BS. You're finding all over social media. We're going to give you actionable guidance to make your financial life clearer, less stressful.

11:33We're going to answer your financial questions and take the mystery out of your financial life. Follow and listen to Money Moves with Jill Slesinger, wherever you get your podcast. Couple of things we need to mention before we grab Grant. The Bryce Elder News is there and obviously discussing the Philly series and much more. First things first, Baker Mayfield in our division gets a new three year deal and Mike and I were just discussing. It's three years of $165 million. On average, that's 50 plus million a year, guys. You and I kind of both went, you're now tied to Baker Mayfield for the first three years. We know what he's capable of, but I just, I don't know, maybe I don't know. Maybe I just wouldn't do it. I don't know, man. They're overbarell. It's like any other team that's had to make this decision like the Dolphins with two other giants who dangled Jones a couple years ago. It's a great point. Is this an overpay? Yes, it is. But the market is the market. He went from three years, a hundred million, which was the deal he signed with them.

12:34He took him to the playoffs a couple of times and I get that, but I do think this is an overpay. There's no doubt. But at the end of the, we're going to see him. We're going to see these guys and Baker's motivated and we'll see how that goes, but they get the deal done before the start of the season. Remember, most teams say once the season starts, we're not negotiating. So they get it done before week one, Baker Mayfield now with the book and ears for the next few years. The other thing is live files for bankruptcy. What? And what is what? Yeah, I mean, we knew this was common. They were trying to for who is this investor? I mean, this angel investor that was coming in. The brand was garbage, man. I never, I never really thought that was viable that somebody was going to come in and try to save it. Sounds like John Romance. Some of these guys are not going to get paid the full freight. They were promised. Come home. PGA's waiting. All right. And they'll take the terms. They will. Let's talk to Grant McCauley. Grant. And the latest on Bryce elder before we get to some of this other stuff. Tell us what you know and what this means for Bryce and more importantly for the braves and this rotation. Yeah, it's just the latest, I think, event that the braves have had to deal with injury wise for this rotation. It's Bryce elders going to miss three to four weeks at a knee scope done today to clean out some bone fragments that have been causing them some trouble really since July.

13:45And if you go back and kind of look at where his struggles were and kind of how it lines up, it does seem like this is probably been bothering him quite a bit for quite some time. And he had let on before in the braves had tried to give a little bit of time and we heard yesterday won't why saying for the time being they were going to move them to the bullpen. I kind of came to the park wanting to know all right. Well, what's different about this injury than say Ronaldo Lopez with the inflammation and how long he's been out. And as it turns out, it ended up being a much more serious thing for Bryce. Are you able to get him to a specialist? They did find what they believe to be the cause of the issue and he's had a scope that could have him back in three to four weeks. His hope is to pitch in the postseason. And if he is to have a shot to do that at all, he had to get the surgery basically today to get the timetable moving because the seasons over in three weeks and October will be here. Now that is a best case scenario for him. It does not necessarily mean that's where the braves are going or what's going to happen. But if you wanted any chance at all to participate in the postseason and goodness knows who wouldn't this is what he had to do. Where was he in the rotation if it was a five game series for you?

14:47It's a good question. I don't really know that the braves have really sketched that out. We know where Chris sale is. We know Tyler Malley is going to be there. But beyond that, is it grand homes at three? Is it some other kind of iteration of right? Well, we could use AJ Smith, Shaw ver and Martin Perez in a piggyback situation. Would it be Perez opening and then somebody else coming in after that or somebody opening for Perez? If you want to kind of dial it around, there's just a lot of different ways they could go. But I don't think anything was a given other than Chris sale and Tyler Malley. And clearly that whole picture is going to come into focus here over the next two to three weeks. All right. Did it give you did it give you more optimism of what you saw in this Philly series? I think a lot of braves fans me included feel more confident about what could happen in the postseason grant. With the way they handled their business in this series, but more importantly Ronald Aquino, man, he's heating up at the right time, right? Yeah, and that's the big story coming out of Philly. I mean, whether people want to talk about it in a good way or a bad way, he certainly was right in the middle of everything that braves were doing.

15:49And you needed to see those adjustments against the forcing fastball that we've been talking about for a number of weeks now that that's been plaguing him for a while. I mean, it's just a very strange thing to struggle with, especially when you're a hitter as good as he is with the bat speed that he possesses. It's not like he lost his bat speed. It was just being able to connect with and make the mechanical adjustments to be ready. And on time for that fastball, and it appears that he has cracked that code at this point. And that I think, and as we saw over the Philadelphia series, could be an indicator of some big things to come for Ronald, the Cuny Jr. But this has just been an extension of some really important baseball for the braves. So we've been that Dodger series should obviously have given everybody a good dose of confidence being able to go into Philadelphia and have a chance to win three out of four. And yes, maybe it was a chance you could have lost three out of four. That's really how close this series was. It was played extremely hard. You were in the enemy territory in a place that is not very hospitable as the braves well know in the past. And they were able to come out of that four game series with a split and a very good chance in the finale if they could have scratched across the run here or there. Maybe to win that game. But you know, it was one of those series where I think to your point, Carl, you needed to see at the very least a split in order to keep the Phillies at an arms distance with three more big games looming this weekend.

16:58But you can't overlook the Tampa Bay race who are one loss better than the braves are as far as records are concerned overall the top to A. L. East and he got the Chicago Cup to wait for you after the Philadelphia Phillies. So the first two weeks of this month are really a playoff primer for the braves. So you're going to need to see them play some of their best baseball. Again, we get the raise. I said it was easier. Not really. They get the Astros. The Phillies get the Astros. What did you think of Ronald, the Cuny? I love tormenting Philadelphia fans because they deserve it 99% of the time. But knowing the history of the Maddenly, I mean, we talked earlier with Tony Gwyn Junior. He said probably not going to see that smoke with them go ever throwing it, Ronald, something like that. But it was just one one picture reacting basically and not Don Maddenly and the Phillies as a whole to what Ronald did. No, and like we said, I like we saw there wasn't a whole bunch ahead hunting or things that went on after that. Usually it's the fan base gets fired up and you feel like it's this old school baseball and Bob Gibson's name comes up or Don Dry's. And we get into the old school stuff, but I had no problem with that. I'm of the opinion celebrate your home runs, celebrate your strikeouts.

18:01You know, if you're a pitcher, celebrate your great plays, whatever it is, the emotion in the game is better for the game. And I don't think that there's really any reason to devolve into this back and forth thing where somebody's got to get hit every time they do something different than the next guy does it. I thought was interesting was that big home run that he hit off the Phillies reliever, you know, there was so 100 miles an hour after the game. He's asked, you know, what did you make of Ronald the Cuny junior round in the bases? He's like, I made that I needed to get him out next time. He hit a homer. That's that's for him. That's not for me. I need to execute pitches better. I'm a little different than the Zach Wheeler thing, which I thought kind of caught maybe a little bit more flagged than it should have. I thought it was kind of ridiculous. It's we we live in and work in a business where narratives are obviously interesting to people. I just don't think this was a narrative that was really worth exploring at this point. The braves home run celebration is three plus years old. It really shouldn't have been that interesting. Yeah. I don't know. For us, I mean, it's not, but I think as other people see it around the country.

19:01What are they doing? You know, they lose their minds. Grant McCauley joining us here. If you're just joining us, Price Elder having a scope surgery guys is going to be out at least three to four weeks. So does the regular season. Yeah. That news coming down for for the braves today with Walt Weiss. What about Grant Holmes, man? Six innings pitched in four of his last six starts. What does this mean for Grant Holmes? It means that he has pitched himself into the conversation that he very much wanted to be a part of, which was October usage. The thing that we've just been talking about and we'll be talking about for the coming weeks. Grant Holmes has just been making a case and it's not just hey, at the end of the night, you look at the numbers and you're like, oh, wow, wow, he went six innings and kept the team in the game. Good for him, but you're kind of starting to watch him do this and think, wow, like I like the way that he's pitching and Walt Weiss talked to me a little bit about the arsenal that he's using. Also the fact that he's been able to limit the walks that had been plaguing him at times during the season. He's been a little bit more aggressive using the curve ball off the slider is something else that Walt pointed out and we started to see a little velocity from him on the four seam fastball.

20:05I mean, he struck out Luis arise swinging. And if you don't think that's a big deal, go look at the strikeout column in Luis arises baseball reference page or on the back of his baseball card for all the folks that like analog stuff. You'll see that he doesn't strike out very much. It's about 20 times a year. So you get him swinging on a fastball down the middle. You certainly done something and I think Grant Holmes has kind of just been quietly compiling a lot of really good starts and it's the way that he's doing it. In addition to the output itself, it's starting to I think make a at least a case that Grant Holmes has a potentially significant role to play as the braze or figuring out that game three and game four scenarios for their playoffs. A we know Matt Olson has been the MVP for this team. He's kept the team afloat and he's cold now. Are you how worried are you last seven games, man? It's rough about no 87 to 55 OPS for the last seven. Yeah, and there's no way around that and I actually talked about this on from the diamond you go back three weeks, Matt Olson, hitting below a buck 50 with one home or in three runs knocked in and striking out at a 33% clip. So we're seeing the numbers were noticing it. He's noticing that he's been feeling it. It's not often I see Matt Olson slamming a bat in a helmet after a strikeout, but it happened.

21:09Over the weekend and Philly, it's just one of those little things that I take note of and you know we kind of joke a little bit with Walt wife. Hey, you get Ronald a day off, but you can't really do that with Matt and Walt said as he has many times I'm not going to be the one that screws that thing up as consecutive game streak. But even if he didn't start a game, he's going to find a spot to pinch it and keep that streak going. I would assume and Walt pretty much said as much today, but Walt said also we're not to that point yet. Matt's going to keep grinding it out and they're going to figure out a way to get through this. You've done it many times in the past and so you're not alarmed necessarily, but man, it would be nice, especially with Ronald swing in the bat well and some of the other guys in front of Matt Olson to get some big innings going and some RBI opportunities for Matt Olson to continue doing the thing he's done all year, which is you pointed out was basically be the brazen VP. Grant, how does a J smith Sharif in into this mix? I know he's going tonight. It's a good question and I think he's still answering that question because it's commanding and control and finesse, I guess that is the last thing for a lot of Tommy John pictures to be able to really reclaim as they come back.

22:12It's fastball has been good. Walt said that's actually been maybe a little bit more competitive than it was even last year when he was pitching well for that first couple of months, but the swing and miss pitches that he has the breaking stuff and being able to control counts and put away hitters. That's been an issue for him. A lot of base runners hits and walks have been a problem for him some home runs here and there. He's just got to find that consistency. That's what he's going to be searching for and that'll let us know exactly how much you can reasonably or I guess responsibly put on him or ask from him to be a part of their playoff. I guess either rotation or just their pitching plans in general, but they do see him as far as his profile is concerned and the arm talent that he has as a guy they very much like to have playing a role if he can step into it. Great stuff. We'll see what happens in this series as you said it don't get any easier fillies and they'll I think Cub so guys I mean we got to finish strong right I mean the months just started I know it feels good coming off of that Philly win or at least you know the way we handle that series. That Riley triple was huge. Yeah there were moments man where you just felt like okay you know what we're going to be fine and grant you like I said the confidence for me has been continuing to build.

23:21We've all had doubts you know as we've gone through this season but now we're in September man and I think it's coming together I don't like the the Bryce thing but that is what it is and hopefully can come back and maybe help us. Yeah and they've had to overcome this stuff all year long we've talked about these stories on a good note Robert Suarez through two bullpen completed those is next step is to face hitters if that goes well rehab assignment for him and hopefully back before the regular season closes so get away give me give me percentage on that what do you think percentage. I think I have high probability I would say a better than 90% chance that he's back unless he suffers a setback which would effectively I would imagine in his season they are expecting and Robert Suarez told us before the road trip he is expecting to be back before the end of the regular season. All right that is good news all right man thank you so much follow grant man stay up on all the things braves related and baseball related braves split with Philly and now we'll see what they do against the race we'll talk tomorrow thanks again. All right guys it's Duke's and Bell will come back he says he's not 100% and that is his reason for not being active this week not only is he not the starter he's not active okay we'll get back into that conversation as we've been talking to you all day about it and then I got to tell you guys Pittsburgh is not feeling sorry for us at all it's Duke's and Bell.

24:41Hey this is Richard Ditch the host of the sports media podcast if you're interested in what's happening with all the places where you can see sports the sports media podcast has you covered. I've been turning down interviews all week how to copy reached out Oprah George stephanopolis so I said no I was booked on the dice podcast before the Taylor Swift phenomenon I must live up to my responsibility listen wherever you get your podcast. He's not 100% to Duke's and Bell sports radio 92 9 the game it was a long fun labor day hope you guys enjoyed it but as this news dropped on on Monday Mike you know I think Falcon country and Falcon nation was like what's going on and again Mike said it if the quarterback comes to you and says I'm not ready to play what are you going to force the hand no you're just going to let it play out right but we got to make decisions and you guys got to make decisions and you got to try to do what's best for the team the thing that we've discussed today or at least one aspect of this is all this is coming from him the coaches are not forcing this that this is not Kevin's defense key or Tommy Reese going you know what we can't play him they're asking where you at what where I think Mike if it was left up to them they would want him to try to play but they're not going to say that publicly right they're not going to force that issue and then you go all right well this is why again they can't

26:09have four quarterbacks and that whole thing seem weird when the roster is remember the roster cuts but now you know you look at this in pinnocks being an active it totally makes sense so to a starting on Sunday we've got Cooper rushes the backup strand is the emergency guy Mike and that's how this will look at least for the time being right so whether they knew this all along and this is always the plan now I'd like to see okay or so the game's out the window about week two against Caroline how about that at home pinnocks yes Carolina Panthers week two how about that okay and the other thing is and this is probably the one that most of our audience doesn't buy is what if two it does well you know because everybody's written too off already yeah they have I mean I'm not really interested in two but what if he you know he is a veteran he has experience he has a high percentage or a completion percentage his whole career but you're not throwing a rookie out there no I mean it's not like he hasn't seen tough defense no again he the guy was there he was a top 10 quarterback then he wasn't now what's he going to be okay he's also got his own crossroads here and he doesn't give a flip about Michael Pettich student he'll say all the nice things but he's trying to

27:09he's trying to go get another job yeah you know so what if two it does well and what is what is well enough if the falcons if Matt Ryan and he not that they have but if Matt Ryan and he and cutting him and the brain trust that we really got we got to get this evaluation for Pettich's well I got to get we got to see what we got was we got to make a decision on this guy this gets interesting to me because if you're losing but the quarterback is not the reason why then what's your excuse from making the change you follow me you're losing but Pettich or or Tuah is playing at a high enough level where you go wait a minute I've said this to you Mike 25275 two touchdowns no turnovers but we lose on him no fumbles no silly silly giveaways like those are the things where you go all right if you're being competent and you're playing that way and you go well yeah we're just going to make a change you make the change because you say well we're losing but really the quarterback has not the reason why and so I think again we're going to see Michael Pettich's at some

28:12point I do not know what the timetable is we've been talking about this damn timetable guys for six months six months we've been talking about the date and when are we going to get the time table didn't we have a sound by it from Mike from earlier this camp where he said the doctor said he'll never ever problem with that knee he did like right or in rear that sound bite like we were we were talking about forest couple like magic legs you know I mean okay what was it it was a bold promise yeah I mean like I don't know if the York the penis really say that I don't know either way but if Mike needs that to get some confidence fine guys at the end of the day we just want to see him after that's why if you feel it you guys are being petty being bullies now you want to see one is see my franchise quarterback get established otherwise you're going to go right back to the drawing board next you're in draft one that's that's why all these guys like yeah basically not ready he's not ready well so when is he going to be ready when do we get the full sample size is already by definition not a full season for him I mean this is why I get frustrated and I don't understand why people aren't as frustrated you've got the patience of jumping this is any other player who you didn't identify as you for whatever is you identify as a good guy we don't know and debates that you would have already

29:13been like whatever nobody's nobody's texting me about braille and trice you know nobody's telling me I bang the trophy palatrice because I think he I thought he had promise but now he's in the same boat as Penox you say it's probably not going to happen for him but you guys are in denial over it here's Michael a few months or a few weeks earlier I went and saw the doctor you know before camp starting he's like this this is amazing ACL he's like you should never have any more knee problems for the rest of your career like that's word for it what he told me so it's like okay I hear that but it's like all right now I got a and now I'm like all right do I trust that I want to do I trust that's why we said guys no one debates the guys toughness we've seen him play and and make big plays already for us but this is the mental aspect that you keep bringing up it is a valid point no it is no it is no way if it was listen to it in his own words day day but let me ask you some you guys ever had any injury not not trying to be funny but injuries that you had to recover from when you were like when you did play sports in your days and stuff all right these did you ever at times feel something when you were like I don't know if that's how that's supposed to feel so

30:19did a one I'm just asking no no no so because I didn't go pro and I wasn't a professional so I don't linger on my college stuff right okay but a knee injury injured my career right and I I was never the fastest guy you know it was it was it was there were things that I knew I was up against okay but because of the recovery okay and we're going back guys this is again late 90s all right technology is a lot better than it is now but at the end of the day like I knew okay you know what I can come back but it's an uphill battle and you know they're recruiting better guys and I am right now and I'm coming back off this injury I'm not I'm still not the player that I was in my head I knew I wasn't gonna win I wasn't going to be what I wanted to be cool I'm there's a lot of guys who are listening right now who know exactly what I'm talking about I'm resolved to saying I'm all right with that right but I wasn't a quarterback and the point I'm making is at that position it's different it's different day day it is

31:24offensive offensive lineman ask Mike Johnson offensive lineman get hurt all the time okay they come and go quarterback is different and I just feel like there's a lot more pressure to show up and certainly if you're physically cleared to go out and perform and show your teammates it's not even about it's not even about us it's not about the fans so yes to your to your point yeah there's been injuries I've experienced that and that three I don't know too many people who have but the idea is there have been injuries for for many guys who are listening right now he said you know what I ain't coming back from this I can't be the same dude I'm good and here he is battling this and what I'm telling you is mentally I'm about to cuss that blank is hard it is hard so I get it from where he's sitting I really do but it's also something you have to overcome if you're ever going to be great again and that is the point that I don't know if he knows

32:25he can tell me he wants to and he can tell me he's doing all the work and he can tell me he's walking his walk in which he's doing all those things but if you don't mentally overcome that bro I'm telling you right now you know what happens ready set and I'm getting rid of this damn thing because I am not confident to sit where I need to sit and look around the pocket and do the things I need to do because I don't want to get hurt again man does that make sense it does you know I only asked that question because when he was asked and I think we I don't know if we have that cut on there or not if they got to that one but he was asked what what hurdles do you need to get over and his exact answer was I'm just not 100% you didn't say in what capacity yes but what my so what I'm saying but Mike's playing that sound by to tell you the doctor is telling him I'm fine I understand that but what I'm saying is going back to my question like sometimes you've you may they may tell you one thing but you know your body and when you've had three ACL surgeries right you know what feels right and what doesn't feel right and me I'm just saying

33:29maybe that's a place he's in right now where he knows he still feels bullets yeah he's not feeling right all right well again I hope I hope he finds the confidence to get out there and I hope we get to see him out here before the season passes oh I mean let's be honest I mean it's it's his career is not and this is what I'm trying to explain I ladies have everyone cousins exactly we're talking we already explained that and we talked about it and again you can't tell the difference who the guy who was established in this league who made a hundred million dollars guaranteed who again coach invention for a week again he get him to heal up there was a lack of common sense on a number of levels versus a guy who hasn't established himself yet who has got an injury history that's the thing all these guys like well he's had three yes exactly you're making the argument for me he's had three knee injuries you never should have drafted him the odds of this guy surviving to five or six year NFL career probably a thousand to one let's just let's find out what this guy is and let's get on with it so I know you can either take the heat do the job or I draft another freaking quarterback next year hello the clock is ticking but Mike you don't think he knows that well

34:32okay well then you don't think as you're like you said when the professional quarter wins the right time so when's the right time day day whenever he feels it's the right thing you don't think he realizes that if I'm waiting too long my I don't know I don't know that I don't know that I don't know Mike he has to realize that he's an NFL player yeah well guess what not for long you're just gonna ask out there sorry I'm laughing at this I mean like it's a year I'm above the line day day you're below the line you're making excuses I'm making a reality this is no reality is this dude has been to your point you've said it over and over three ACL surgeries right he knows what it's going to he knows what needs to feel like he also knows that he is putting he is taking a major risk by saying I'm not ready to go yet he knows that can I ask you this because we're up against it trust us there's more of this to come out yeah six weeks six weeks I mean what's give me a number I mean I don't know

35:34but I would say three and by the way I would say three oh so when do you get impatient when do you write I'm not impatient because I just want to win but when so if two is the guy that can get us engaged it's so big okay he comes back whenever he comes but when when do you actually get to a point where I'm at where you go I'm I'm passing I'm passing this is his this is his decision yes this is his this is it is it is rolling the dice passing them by all in the dice all I care now is like look can two get the job done that's it I would the YouTube video right now Karl just kind of just sitting in the middle just watching just looking that that happens great no I love it and day day is very passionate about this and he's giving Michael pinnocks some grace many of you are not right and many of you are like me who want to question the mentality of where his head is at you need to move more like a doll hmm when he dogs we do all right guys we are live tomorrow Mike Napa auto parts yeah man we're gonna be hitting the road it's down on Jones

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38:38said man if you're gonna threaten something you better be prepared to do it yeah there's no doubt hey we learned a lot well did we the first week in a college football it was entertaining but there were a lot of cupcakes and sometimes you can learn things and sometimes you don't learn anything I'm looking forward to the bigger matchups but there were moments this weekend where you went oh that guy's good that guy's not that team looks like the real deal they don't college football is a marathon it is not a sprint week one doesn't define you before a guy like dabbo sweetie it just might have if you didn't hear the pressurator day where dabbo attacks the reporter and basically ask him the question did you play football that's irrelevant you're the head coach you have to answer to what your team is doing dabbo come on be the bigger man if you love the show you tell your friends your team didn't pay its power bill life can feel overwhelming but you don't have

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