Gustav & Solveig - Training Camp & Dealing with Injury

0:00I'm Gustav Eden, three times world champion and Kona record holder. I'm Dr. David Lippmann, a health and human performance specialist. Welcome to the Norwegian Method Podcast. Welcome back to the Norwegian Method and joining me today from Sierra Nevada live is Gustav and Sylvie, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. I'm in this live now, but when you're listening, it's not going to be live because this is a podcast and that's not how podcast works. It's a fair point. As I said, I was like, oh, it's not really live, but you know, here we are. One day we'll be going live. How's that? One day we will go live on a podcast feed. Without anything, it's basically live. Yeah, exactly. It'll be out in two, three days. So as live as we'll get on a podcast feed, so we'll do well given Russia's to edit it. So let's start with the obvious stuff.

1:00How's Sierra Nevada been? How's all going up there? It's been pretty good up here. I came here a little over three weeks ago, sold by three weeks on the day today, I think. Yes, that's right. And the first few days was amazing, super warm. Then I got slightly colder, had a few days with a little bit rough weather in the middle, but now it's looking to be good again, the weather-wise. Norwegians love to talk about the weather. So we have to start with the weather. Yeah, but it's much different from Sierra Nevada, because it changes so much. The first week was great. We could ride in short and everything and then suddenly it's only in their training. So I'd say it's relevant here to talk about the weather. Yeah, it's not just the Norwegians, the British love it as well. So we got many listeners from all over the world. They'll love hearing about it. Yeah, and as all I mentioned, it's a huge difference in weather up here. And it turns so quickly. And also when you ride indoors, you ride on the turbo trainers.

2:00And for me, I think also for Sulvae, the power is quite a bit lower. So the training is different with the bad weather, because when you ride outdoors, you start the intervals at maybe like 800,000 meters altitude. And then you can work your way into it, but on a turbo, it's brutal from the start. Yeah, it's actually crazy how big difference is. It's like the power I ride threshold on the trainer series. I can basically ride it easy outside. It's crazy how big difference is this. I mean, you're at 2,300 meters though, so it's not exactly, it's not low. So that makes sense. But it's normal to make a difference. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, but it's okay riding on the turbo is hard. Interesting. No temptation to pull out the box onto the track and just cut laps for a bit. The track is covered with snow. So that would be quite hard. Yeah, okay. And they haven't planned it for you, unfortunately. But have you two been doing some training together?

3:01I think you have been. Yeah, we have been training quite a lot together, actually. So we've been training together with a national team up here. So making it work, we only had one to two lanes in a pool every day. And they are being seven at least at the same time. And having one coach, it's nicer to swim together. And when the swim is set, then you kind of have, it's not that many other ways you can train your day. So it's, yeah, it's been good training together. Yesterday I had a pretty good session on the bike and on the run I was struggling a bit more. But still an okay run. And I had soul vibe pacing me. That was actually amazing. It was really nice for me as well, but yes, I'm only here with a voice now. And I basically never get company on the interval. So how good started with me on that run was super nice. So yeah, it's been a good campaign. It's good to be like a big group again. And it's a little bit like the good old days. So it's been good.

4:02Yeah. Well, sounds like Gustav's upgraded his training partner. So. I'm really hard to be a guest down now that he's on the other side of the world. So. It's up to Gista. She's doing a good job. And I saw some footage of you guys training with me canoe to see up there as well. Yeah. Meek is here and some others. So you know, actually it's also here. So. The touch is here. Yeah. So had a chat with all of. And yeah. But it seems like he's doing great with that. You know, X team they had some good results lately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's very cool. We'll do a bit here. We'll bounce between you a little bit. But Gustav, you didn't travel to Australia. That's why you've acquired a new training partner. So no New Zealand, no, no Australia. What's going on? Let's talk a little bit about that. Yeah. I twisted my ankle. No. It's. I don't know. Like 11 weeks ago.

5:02I don't know which week it was. I'm not sure either. And yeah, it was much worse than I thought in the start. Like not the injury itself, but just the time to recover. I basically never twisted my ankle before. And I guess that's why it takes so long time. Because. I don't have like this. This strings for my tendons. My tendons like made of fake. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Like 11 weeks ago. I don't know which week it was. I'm not sure either. January. And yeah, it was much worse than I thought in the start. Like not the injury itself, but just the time to recover. Like made of concrete. So when they first start to break. And it's not that easy to make them go back together again. But yeah, it's been taking forever. But last week I had 76 K of running. And finished off with a pretty good run session. So I would say that. Yeah, I'm slowly getting there. But. Yeah, it is a bit annoying to not be able to do us. And to race in both New Zealand and.

6:04Or Australia. I mean. But yeah, I had a great camp appearance. Yeah, so in the end, it isn't that bad, but still annoying to have to change. Because of injury. Yeah, well, we're going to touch back on that in a second. But I want to hear a bit how things have been going for solvice since we last spoke to her. So, you know, we spoke to you last. Post, I mean, World Championships has been a lot of water under the bridge. So to speak since then. So how things been going? Yeah, things have been going really good, I'd say. I have had a really good winter. I can't really complain about anything. I haven't had any sickness or injuries or anything like that. So. Made my only complaint is that it has been at times with boring. I've just been at home and done basically everything indoors. So to come here to Seattle Nevada and have a bit more. Outdoor training and have a bit more company has been really, really good. So. Had a good break session yesterday. And now I'm really excited to start racing.

7:06Okay. And we'll let's talk about that. What are you racing this year? So I'm starting in ocean side in less than two weeks now and then Texas. And after that, I'm not quite sure. I was considering doing excellent performance. I think I'll skip that and just focus on Hamburg. And then after Hamburg. I'll race Swansea and then 70 for three worlds and then Kona. That's the plan right now, at least. Very cool. What's happening? Well, let's let's be twisting your ankle, have to change that. Yeah. I'm really afraid of something like that. Like you feel like everything is going well and then suddenly something. Like really stupid. Just the randomly happens. So who knows? Well, this is what I was going to ask you to about. This is actually what I wanted to get to and why asked the questions I did is. When you're thinking about a race calendar, I know what you were sort of thinking. Or I assume I know what you were thinking. Good stuff.

8:06Give it. I heard from Christian. You two wanted to sort of do a block of racing in the beginning. Get a lot of that out of the way and then do a really good block. Of training going into the world championships. Right. That's kind of the thinking. Yours is a slightly different set up as well. So how do you set up your race calendar for the year? What goes through your mind? Like what considerations? And then do you build in redundancy for things like injury? Or do you just have to deal with that when it comes up? No, you never planned for injuries. I mean, I knew that the four races with all the troubles in between. So well in the season could be like an injury risk in itself. So that's something I did. I wasn't worried about, but yeah, I did. I think about it. But you never planned to be injured. That's not how we do it, at least. I guess the only thing you can plan in stuff like that is for instance, if you do the pro series, maybe do like an extra seventy point three. That's more just in case something happens in one the races. Or maybe if you get sick, that's good to have extra scores, stuff like that.

9:08But yeah, you make a season plan and then you hope you can follow it basically. So for me, I think, yeah, when I discussed my season with Nicole, I wanted to have a bit longer or winter training period. Both for this season, but also basically just, I feel like I'm going to do this for many years. And I think it's nice to sometimes just have a little bit longer training period as well. So that was why I didn't plan on going to New Zealand or Australia. So hopefully it has been a good investment to just have some steady training weeks. Super scientific how we plan the season. Like sometimes it's just, I wouldn't say directly, wives, but I mean, as I saw the mansion, we hopefully are going to have some long careers. And if you do the same season plan, the same races every single year, things get stale after a while. I know that most of the athletes, they love racing in Gohama in the short distance.

10:12But still, the Gohama has been going forever. And some of the more fun courses has been switched out and stuff. And I actually never been to New Zealand before. So I really wanted to go there just because I wanted to go to New Zealand. But I was in trouble one year ago. So for me, that wasn't so important. But I really agree with this. That was one of the things I really enjoyed last year when I was doing long distance for the first time. It was basically all the race location and was new locations. And it's going to be a lot of new locations for me this year as well. So that's also part of it. We do this also to actually have some good experiences for sure. Yeah, like Christian, last year finishing of the season in Colombia, looked really, really cool. I mean, it wasn't a real race, but still just to get some racecation in. It is part of our mindset a little bit. Yeah, I like that. I like to hear that. And so when something like this does happen and you have to scramble, what does it mean for your year?

11:13Are you changing your year up good stuff? Or is it kind of like, right? We're just not going to do the pro series and we'll, you know, we'll do what we're sort of planning anyway. No, no, I'm still going to target the pro series a little bit. I mean, it's it's a way longer to get in shape than I hope to. So I know basically ocean side is not going to give me a lot of points. And Texas hopefully is going to be a little bit better than last year when I had to stop three times because of a flat tire and also running way too fast in the start and working most of the second half. So still hope for a decent pro series. I know I have to get at least one more Ironman in and maybe another 70.3. So the most logical one at the moment seems to be Frankfurt. But yeah, I don't want to confirm that yet that I'm racing there because I'm not 100% sure. But in my mind, that's the most logical one. Like classes. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a great experience in like passing.

12:13Yeah. So, but that's the worst date, I think. So. It's a bit closer to Kona. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. But with 753 wells in the middle there, it actually makes it a bit harder to get in. I get as it can for instance this year. So. Yeah. And what's your training block look like trying to balance the sort of needs for 70.3 and Ironman? Like how does that look for you to given you guys a both going into basically those two races, right? Yeah. So I can talk to it for myself first. This period has been like starting kind of coming out of winter season and then doing the altitude camp with more focus on threshold. So basically most of the sessions have been a threshold, including the bike yesterday on a break session, the run was slower than what I hope for. But so. That's my face. Yeah. So mostly then it would be kind of a standard training like getting in shape training not specific to 753 or the Ironman.

13:17But yeah, just getting the training in. I think you can perform super good in the 753 on the standard training. And then after ocean side, then I start or we start to target the Ironman pace a little bit more. Hopefully we have enough of the training in the bank that I can do the run sessions that I want to do to perform in Texas. But yeah, we don't start to really dig into the Ironman specific stuff until two, three weeks before. Yeah. My answer is pretty much the same. It's like the brick we had yesterday was made my first like 753 specific session. I'd say, but. So your country is pretty close to threshold for most of it, I'd say. So it's, you don't really need to do much specifically on that pace anyway. And we have three weeks in between ocean side and Texas. It's usually two, three weeks before we usually or at least I start to do more Ironman specific sessions anyway.

14:18So I feel like it's sort of a good gap in between the races. Yeah, well, let's get there. That's my next question. What is that the time between the races look like for you? Obviously you have to travel. It's not particularly far, but you do have to travel. And then what does the training in that block look like for you? The recovery because you only got three weeks between them. I think three weeks is pretty perfect. And then this setup. It's a little bit more challenging, not a travel, but the temperature changed. The last year, Texas was pretty warm going into race. And also race day was pretty warm if I can remember correctly. So that could be a little bit of a challenge because for an Ironman who want to have quite high muscle or low going into race. So you can sustain the whole race. But doing heat training, it's much harder to sustain the muscle load. So it's kind of contradicting a little bit, but I think a seven point three. It shouldn't take more like than a few days to recover.

15:18So already the week and after you can start doing a little bit more specific sessions. And then you can do two good weekends of training and then it's race day. So I think three weeks should be pretty pretty pretty good. Yeah, I agree. One a little bit each new week and then you can have. If you get into like two good specific Ironman sessions on the bike in the run, then you're good to go. Okay, that's that's really interesting. I mean, that's also speaks to some of the success we've seen from both of you fairly early stepping up. Perhaps other people as well stepping up distances like that all seems to line up. So yeah, that makes good sense. How are you two feeling going into ocean side? Gustav, you obviously mentioned not not quite where you want it to be. But how are you feeling? You had a good pretty good day there last year. Last year, I think I said exactly the same. I'm not ready. This year I feel less ready on the run than last year, but.

16:18Yeah, I made it to the podium there, which was amazing. Hopefully I can use my swim and bike because that's been pretty good the last few weeks, I would say. The swimming actually pretty consistently well in the pool up here, which is challenging. Being at 2,300 meters elevation and swim fast is super difficult, but actually. Yeah, swimming quite well this camp. So hopefully I can show it also in ocean side and be within a group, then ride hard and then run. Okay, ish. So maybe on the podium, but not that one to three podium, but the Ironman podium, the weak podium. Ironman takes up every one of them stage, so. Yes, three people on the podium. What about you, so why are you feeling going into ocean side? I feel good, but I also it's also always some uncertainty. I feel like for the first race and maybe especially this year because.

17:20As I said, I haven't really been training much outdoors and I feel like. I need to do that to really know how the shape is. It is a bit different on the turbo and also in altitude, it's also a bit different. And like in general, I can feel sometimes I can feel. Feel like my shape is not good in altitude and then come down and it can be much better. And sometimes I can go down and it's just a little bit better. So it's a it's a bit hard to know still, I feel like, but. I had a really good break session yesterday that made me a bit more confident. So I'm excited to get started. Then we each in massive. Morton's Hydrogel technology encapsulates carbohydrates, making their gels and drink makes easy to consume and easy on the stomach. With no added colors, flavors or preservatives, you get exactly what you need. And nothing you don't. It's the fuel we rely on both trading and to execute on the race day.

18:21For 15% off your next order at Morton.com, use the code TNMS4 at checkout. The code is applicable once per customer on all products except the Morton Bicarb system. Ballad until December 31st, 2026. Check the show notes for details. The Norwegian method. And how do you feel going to this year given your, you know, the rating champion that's very it's very different for you, right? So I'm sure you've got good people around you are training partner who can give you advice. But what's what's it been like? Yeah, I think it helps to be in a group where it's just, you know, normal to win a world championship. So, you know, there's a lot of people that you can ask if you have questions about anything really. So I have Casper that is sort of in the same position as me, which can be nice as well. Because we can maybe relate with more to each other. But it's also really nice to Akishan and Gustav who has been through these some years ago. That's like how more experienced with it.

19:23So, like so far, I haven't really told about that it will be different that maybe when I arrive at the race, I feel a little bit more then, but I try not to think about that too much. I kind of see a little bit in, in solvice that she has already done what most triad lits will never be able to do. Like win a world championship. So her career is already amazing, much better than maybe like almost every other triad lits. So I feel like she's a little bit more chill with expectations. So, because yeah, she has won. And she knows also how incredibly hard it is to win like twice in a row. It's not been done for a long time. So I feel like her expectations to the season is not set low. It's not that it's just that it is hard to win a championship.

20:25And then still keep on performing because it's just different. Yeah. Yeah. Different life altogether. Yeah, we actually talked a bit about that. And I think just what Gusa said is actually really comforting to think about in a way that it's like, of course, I got to do everything I can this year. And if I actually am able to win again, that's great. But like, if I do really bad, that's also actually very normal there after. So either way, just thinking about that, it's like removing a lot of the pressure I feel like. So right now I feel really calm and just gonna do triathlon and try to enjoy it as I usually do. And also what Gusa said about I've been thinking a lot about it to win through that. I'm actually, I'm really grateful that I had that the race last year. So regardless of what happens now, I always have that race. And it's actually is removing pressure in one way because now I don't feel like I have to prove that I can have a good race either.

21:31Yeah. Well, if you wanted this year will be the first, the first one to do it after their first year. So that's, that's a big one. But let's talk about ocean side. How do you think the races are going to play out or get both of your takes on? Either race if you want. Gusa, if you want to talk about the women's race, you can, but all the men's race or both. I don't think even the start list is out yet. So it's hard to say exactly who is going to be there and who's going to be the major player. But it's, yeah, it's most likely going to be the season opener for a lot of athletes. I know some of them who race in Dallas this weekend. It's going to race there and some who is racing in G-Long is going to come over. So yeah, season opener is always a little bit difficult. You never know exactly what to expect. And, yeah, as we saw with Christian going into. Arman, New Zealand, we kind of expected him to kind of have an easy win.

22:32Not that it's ever easy to win an armman, but looking at the start list like he should be. He was a clear favorite for the race. But then, of course, he was sick going into the race a little bit and then the bike problems. So I'm not saying that he would have won without it. But, yeah, on the paper, a clear favorite. But it didn't happen. And going into the ocean side, I guess it's a lot of people who are not clear favorites. But had an amazing winter training was going to perform way better than expected. So, yeah, season opener. It's too hard to predict. So I haven't really given it much of a tactical analytical thing yet. I think that's more important when it comes to like championship races for the season opener. I don't want to think too many scenarios. Especially when we don't know who's racing. Yeah, just try to swim as good as swimming in a pool.

23:37And ride hard and then run within my limits. My ankle is still not 100%. So I don't think I would pull out. I'm pretty certain that I'm well able to run hard the whole way. We can try to make it that you're one lap ahead. Is it many laps in the run? I think it will be one lap ahead and we can run together. This is the Kat Matthews plan. This is what Kat said in what Kat said in Iman New Zealand. Yesterday, so you know it's working. Jason, we don't need any more accusations that you're all working for each other. So that you're you're domesticing for each other. So let's let's kill that talked quickly before someone accuses accuses you of that. But talking about training for you, so a lot of it's been alone from the sounds of things. Maybe up in Sioux Nevada, but certainly at home, how have you found that? Is that normal for you or different? Yeah, it's pretty normal. I have been swimming in a swimming club. So that has made a big difference. I feel like this will be the one where I really really sort of feel like I need the company.

24:42Swimming alone is terrible, I think, but for the bike in the run. Most of it has been alone, especially like all the intervals because I've been just home with my trainer or on the treadmill. But yeah, it's pretty normal, I'd say. But I think this winter, I've had like the longest period at home that I've had in some years. So I was almost four months just training at home. It's that was long, I think, in the end, especially when it's just four hours a day like then. Pretty cold. So pretty cold. This winter was actually really cold. It was like minus 15 degrees for many weeks straight. So then it wasn't really tempting to do much training outside anyway. And it feels a bit weird complaining about it because most people aren't traveling a lot to warmer countries during the winter anyway. But when you sort of used to that, it was like two words.

25:45And in February, I started to be a bit like, I sort of want to go on a camp soon. So it was really nice to go up here and do more indoor training here. Yeah, I was going to say for a whole week of good weather. But at least there's people around there and Spanish food and all the likes. It's also been really good to have a longer period at home as well. I think after Corona, especially, it was nice for me to be at home, I think, just settle a bit and just be around family and friends there. And I think that was a good decision. Even though training indoors can be really boring. Yeah, no, completely understand. And Gustav talking about, you know, sort of the ankle and dealing with that. How do you find, like, I mean, you've dealt with a bit of injury recently, right? You sort of back this sort of this ankle, how are you finding it mentally from that aspect?

26:45Because I envisage it being quite difficult, kind of feeling like, you know, you sort of can't, this probably a feeling of like, I just want to go into a season, not dealing with something. Yeah, the ankle is much better than the KELAS. The KELAS was basically two years kind of on and off. And it was no like good solutions. And it was more like a chronic pain. And it was not always logical what made it worse and what made it better. The ankle is more like an acute injury and something that's, yeah, going to get better if you don't load it too much, but I still want to load it because I want to race. So I know if I just rest more, it's going to get better more quickly. So it's not mentally, this is so much easier because it's getting better day by day, but it's getting a little bit worse when I run too much. So and it's not like something that's going to come back, you know, it's not that I'm, when I'm finally good again, then it's going to twist again, unless I actually twist it.

27:49So it is so much easier to have this kind of injury than an overused injury, because triathlon is basically overusing the body constantly. So if you have an overused injury that you're afraid to load too much, then you're afraid to run and then you run less and then you perform worse. And then you're always trying to feel if you feel something. So yeah, it is not always easy, of course. It's still hindering me to do what I love the most to run at least in the mountains and run more. And I guess like getting injured in a silly way is, I don't know if you feel that's like annoying, but I mean, it wasn't silly. I was running and it was training. It's not like I was playing football. Yeah, yeah, of course. So I was, you weren't like doing anything stupid by running way too much or something like that. It was just bad luck, I guess. So yeah, as long as it's going slowly in the right direction, I'm not too worried.

28:53And the World Championships are meant new months away. The pro series is a huge progress for the sport. And I love that armman is pushing T100 and T100 is pushing armman to make it better for the athletes. And I love to be part of the pro series, but still for me, it's everything about the world championships, both the half and the full, maybe more the full. So yeah, but it's a super nice opportunity to have both T100 and pro series pushing each other. Yeah, I think I mean, I said this to Christian on the last podcast, like the fields that are turning up at different times the are so high quality. It feels like all the talent's being concentrated, right? Which I think is the goal, right? So what T100 is trying to do, it's what has, you know, can't, you know, the reflex from Ironman to create the pro series, like that stuff just concentrates talent, which is great. Yeah, it's it's called to see the best people racing and you get crazy finishes, right? You get multiple people running 235 in the men's race, which is unheard of at this time of the year.

29:58So I didn't listen to the podcast the Christian after the last race, but did you talk about a 20 meter rule? We didn't talk about 20 meter rule. Let's talk about it. What's what's going on? Talk to you about it. I'm wondering if you had any feelings of in the fields and stuff, but I didn't look like it played a huge part of the race in New Zealand. I mean, it was not big groups, but it wasn't too many people like riding in the same strength either. And yeah, I mean, it didn't seem like it was playing that much of a role. What do you think? No, I mean, I wouldn't know a great deal about cycling myself, but from what I could gather and what I understand of the 20 meter rule and the impact it would have, the group seemed to be pretty small. I'm not sure that it made an impact in that race. Like Carlos Smith was off the front pushing really hard. I don't think that was a big, maybe he thought, listen, it's a 20 meter rule. Maybe I'm better off going off by myself. They can't work as well together. But other than that, there were small groups, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6, like it wasn't.

31:01There wasn't this long train of, you know, everyone in the line having a pass and all the horror calculations I've seen across the social media. I think so too. I don't think it would be a big field, 12, 12 meter there either. So yeah, maybe not the best test of the 20 meter rule this one, but maybe G-Long would be different. Yeah, I don't know the course well in July. I know Jolong well having lived there, but I don't know the course well to speak to what it will be like. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I think, you know, we'll get a real good test in places like Texas and Frankfurt where you've got bigger fields because they're, you know, championships European or American championships. I think that'll be the really interesting ones to see. Even, I mean, I don't know how you two feel, but it feels like it'd be more impactful at an Ironman level than a 70.3 level. Yeah, I think so. And Texas is pretty simple by course, but then it's a lot of age groupers on the second lap. So I think it's going to make it even harder to see where the group actually is. That was a big problem last year, actually.

32:02It was extremely difficult to pay attention of who's racing pro and who's racing age group in front of you. So the groups was just like they were blowing up even though no one was pushing because it was so hard to see who's who actually. So with 20 meter rule, it's going to be even further between athletes and it's going to be a nightmare to see who's where. He mentioned that a little bit in New Zealand as well because that is similar situation, couple laps. And he sort of said it was a little bit hard, particularly with the passing because you've got age groupers passing each other. And then, you know, the pro is trying to go past them. So makes it difficult to not draft. But let's talk a little bit about what's coming up. You know, we're recording on the 16th of March. I'm sorry, ocean side is on the 28th. So you don't have a long when do you two travel? What are your plans over here? Travel super early in the morning, 23rd. It's not even in the morning. We have to leave here at night. So that's going to be hard. And that's like 2 a.m. or even before that. And that's in the wrong direction from the US. So it had been in the evening.

33:03It will be nice because then you're kind of sort of in a time zone. But yeah, flying through Paris to LA and then going into ocean side in the afternoon. And then hopefully have one session there, like an easy run. Or something just to get the travel a little bit out of the legs. And then Tuesday will be a little bit more volume day, I think. And then Wednesday, hopefully a hard swim, a hard bike. Thursday, a hard run. Friday, easy. And then Saturday race. It's kind of that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I was going to say she said that's everything I was going to say. So like now your turn. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is what it should be done. But then I forgot you have sponsor meeting. You have photos. You have media. You have everything. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We call this probably planning something. Yeah. And then you're checking. You're getting tired. Last year when we arrived there, we came like one day too late.

34:04And had to sleep at an airport because we missed the connection. And now we only have one connection through Paris. It's not super long. It's not super long. But then I think from Paris, it should be a lot of good options. So yeah, hopefully we don't have to sleep. And we arrive in Paris early in the morning. So we have the whole day to get another flight. Yeah. Got it. Okay. That sounds good. You're obviously traveling together. Just having Casper. So it should be. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of Casper, I heard he's the culprit for this haircut of yours. Good stuff. Is that. Yeah. I said that I wanted his haircut and he executed it. So don't blame Casper. It was. It's just sad it's not in Australia. It's kind of like I was going to say it did feel. It did feel a lot like Southern hemisphere cuts. I mean, obviously. I'm not racing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like to hear that. That's good. Awesome. That's.

35:04That's great team. Anything else you want to touch on anything else you want to talk about or we let you to go one up for dinner. Podium picks. Podium picks. G-Long. Oh, shit. Now you've brought it up. So now we have to say your first. Yeah. You have to say your first. No, you brought it up. I'm just curious what you were thinking. I actually. At the start is that much. Okay. Now we're going to use your. It's not professional to use the phone during a podcast recording, but now we're going to pull up the phone. They're just to see the start. Where they're finally. I think arm and on Instagram is the easiest. Arm and on Instagram. Yeah. But. Is there something that Russia can cut out? So we have something. No, we're going to we're going to talk in the back on this. Okay. I'm not looking at the start list for the mail. I think it's going to be Christian Hayden and Yala. Yeah. The order. Yeah, that's a tough one. It's not a real nice track session of the day. I have not spoken to him much since he left. For Oceania, but.

36:06Yeah, he ran really fast. And it was only like one week after. Yeah. He was sick in New Zealand. So let's say Christian one impressive guy. Yeah, I'll let you and Hayden three. Oh, well. Okay. I think the same. No, I want to. He's on the top. So then it's Christian. What's it here? Christian Hayden. Yala. That's my podium. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. This is the result from another race. Okay. On the woman side. Cat wins. Yeah. We can't find. Yeah. I don't think. I don't think any of your picks have been particularly controversial. Aside from perhaps picking Christian on top. But that wouldn't be surprising to anybody. Uh, so. We have to do this for race this early in the season. And that was to pick the pro series points east end of the season. I think there's been quite hard so far. But he's back for revenge. So I see our hungry Christian.

37:07Yeah, I was going to say like the acquiring points in the season works. If you're the only ones trying to do it, uh, when everyone else is trying to do it as well. It's, it's no easier, particularly if you're, you know, you two are in a bit more of a general phase at the moment. And you know, the people may not be there may be a bit more sharpened towards the racing. So there may be a little bit harder. But there's also the, you know, the variability on the day. And then just the bigger fields with more people and it makes it harder. You have to race more, right? You're not just pacing it. So, uh, not the random with more things can happen. Yeah. It's more race tactics chaos. All those things are in the ocean side. Yeah. Crashes. Candle bars coming loose. Yeah. But I agree with you. An angry Christian or, uh, or a motivated or a doubted Christian is not, uh, it's not good for anybody that's racing him. So, uh, yeah. Uh, and any more on that women's podium there for you, Sylvite, aside from Kat. Uh, I didn't find the start list. I have no idea. Amazing. Okay. Okay.

38:07I wanted to make it easier to find the start list. I don't disagree with you. You need, you probably need the app. Oh, no, you can't find the start list. You can't find the start list. It's on the website, I think. Yeah. Yeah. What a mess. We are so young. Yeah. Yeah. That is hard to find the information. And then we just play with our men. It's all of that is fair. We'll, uh, we'll let all that play. And we'll send the feedback to Iron Man. Hopefully they listen to the podcast and, uh, we can let them know. Right through organizing things on the Instagram. So, uh, they can't keep everything. So now you need to send feedback to Instagram. We'll, uh, we'll have to send that feedback. Yeah. Well, we'll send them that feedback. But, uh, appreciate your time and evening team. Thank you so much. Enjoy your travels and have safe travels. Hopefully, no issues with connections. And we'll be watching. And, uh, we'll talk to you soon. So thank you to everyone else who's been listening. Please do rate the podcast. Share the podcast, of course.

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