Grant Cardone Goes All-In On Bitcoin — Why Mass Adoption Is Inevitable

0:00We now have the largest real estate Bitcoin portfolio in the world. For the first time in my life and I've never said this publicly, a trillion dollars became a real target for me. I went and talked to Mike Saylor, he's like a little man, so you need to add Bitcoin to your real estate, you need to do what I'm doing, but I'm not public. He literally said, that's your fucking problem, telling you how to get rich. I said, I think I'm gonna go 85% real estate, 15% Bitcoin. He's like, that's a pussy fun. Literally, that's what we call it. We've been here on the blockchain for four years, what took you so long, Grant? I've owned Bitcoin since 2013. I just never talked about it. I was given Bitcoin for a speaking gig, and I'm like, I don't know what that is. I think it's a very important lesson in life, just because you don't understand something. That is not a reason to say no to it. The Bitcoin community needs to quit saying that people are priced out. Oh my God, it's so unfair, we printed so much money, nobody can afford a home wrong. It's never been easier to buy a house. Off camera, you said, I'm going in a different direction. What do you mean?

1:04We had these large business conferences that we did, we did our last one, you know. Everything has a shelf life. Do we wait for the marketplace to end us or do we end us? The solution to the problem is me. I need to go find a target, achieve the target, not quit on the way there. I know I have unbelievable gifts that I have not touched. It's not even about passion. It's me being curious. A man that is not curious is going to look old. Hi, it's Brian Rose from London Real. You probably know that we've just recently been a re-platformed on YouTube after 25 months completely in the dark. The truth is, I really need your help. What I really need you to do is click on that subscribe button right now. Like this video and maybe even leave a comment or share the link with friends. We're really fighting against an algorithm that's tried to keep us quiet for so long.

2:08And the more subscribers we have, the more people watch our content, the better guests we can bring you, the better content, and we can continue transforming lives. We've been doing this for 14 years now. I want to do this for another 14 years, but I really need your help. So click on that subscribe button, like the video, leave a comment, share this, and we're going to continue to bring you more and more great content. Thank you. This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Grant Cardone. The entrepreneur, best selling author, real estate mogul, and global sales trainer whose 10x philosophy has influenced millions around the world. You built a $4 billion real estate portfolio, created a massive online education empire, and reshaped how people think about money, ambition, and financial freedom. Recently you shocked your industry by going publicly all in on Bitcoin, arguing that the future of wealth will be built on hard digital assets, decentralized systems,

3:09and the collapse of the old financial order. You've embraced Bitcoin not just as a hedge, but as a core long-term store of value, and you've begun teaching millions of followers why it's becoming indispensable for entrepreneurs, investors, and families around the world. Today I want to go deep, not on your past, but into the new Grant Cardone mindset, Bitcoin digital assets, de-dollarization, global instability, and why you believe the middle class will get wiped out unless they adapt fast grants. Welcome back to London Real. Good to see you, man. Always good to be with you and London Real and the red tie and the red puffy. I mean, you got that thing on you lock, bro. I mean, they should give you a trademark for that look right there, the pinstripes. Thank you, man. I've added a billion to since I talked to you last, so I don't want to take that haircut. I don't want to start this interview with fake news, so we're 5.2 billion dollars.

4:09Wow. That's incredible. I remember when you were sub-billionaire. Let me tell you, let me just add one of the things that you're up to date with me. Since I saw you last, because I think success is very important and people should, they should share what they're doing. You can't just let your believe that you're going to do something and the world is going to know what you did. Since I left, we built a consulting company out like an Ernst Young for medium-sized businesses, a 10x health system that's only 3.5 years old. And we continued to expand our education business out. Those companies are worth probably 4, 5 billion dollars today. Maybe it could be as much as 8 with 10x health system. Wow. Wow. And I was just busy doing it. I was just with you. So all I'm saying to Americans is go do big things or to all people, not just Americans, but go do big things and make sure you let people know that you're doing big things. Otherwise, nobody's going to know what the hell you're doing. Yeah, I like that. You got to talk about your success and celebrate it and communicate it.

5:12I remember when you were sub-billion on assets managed. I remember that. Yeah. And I think you first came here in 17 when you first sat down in my studio. And I remember the night before thinking, why the hell am I having this guy on my show? And then you came in and you were as real as it gets. Grant, you dropped right into some of your biggest struggles. You were honest. You were real. And man, I've learned a ton of from you over the years. For sure. And so, man, lots to talk about today. I also want to hear about the future. I had no idea your other companies were worth billions as well. I'd love to talk about that too. But look, let's start off with the blockchain and digital assets. I mean, you know, this is new and it's exciting to watch. And I saw your interview with Michael Saylor and people should all watch that. We had Michael on back in 21 and 22. And he's obviously considered an OG in this industry. But we've been here on the blockchain for four years. What took you so long, Grant? Well, I've been, you know, I've owned Bitcoin since 2013. Okay. There we go. You're not just never talked about it.

6:13That's true. That's true. So I was building out my real estate portfolio. And about seven years ago, we started raising money, allowing other people to invest with us in the real estate. But every once in a while, I'd go dabble in this thing called Bitcoin. I was given Bitcoin in 2013 for a speaking gig. I was given 115 pieces. Two executives in the company said not that we didn't want to take it. Somebody wanted me to speak in Vegas. And they said, we'll give you Bitcoin. We don't have money. And they both said no. And I overheard it. And I'm like, hey, guys, the fact that we don't understand it, it's not a reason to say no to it. Which I think is a very important lesson in life. Just because you don't understand something. Some of the things that I have not understood have been the best things for me in life. And the old grumpy man always says no first. And I don't want to be that guy. So I'm like, hey, guys, let's investigate the man's offering this work.

7:14And this was 2013. I needed the work. It wasn't like I'm some like, I still need the work today, by the way, for all you guys out there. I'm still hustling. And probably harder than 2013. But I said, look, he's offering this work to... He's offering me my purpose line, which is to help people. He's giving me a forum where I can go speak to an audience of people where I can help them. I have expertise in this space. Forget what he's paying us or how he's paying us. Say yes to the guy. And let's figure out how to work the financial piece out. There's got to be a financial piece. And then they're like, yeah, we're going to give you 115 Bitcoin. And I'm like, man, I don't even know what that is. I didn't blame it on them, though. Which I think is really, really important for people to quit saying no to things they don't understand. I said, look, what is the quality? He's like, it's BTC. And I said, it's BTC. It's your story. It's BTC in any category of STDs.

8:18And he said no, dude. That's how little I knew about it, right? So I said, look, man, this is what I'll do. I'll take... You got to show me where to put it, where to keep it. I'll take it. I need to sell off enough to pay for my flight over there and back. And then, you know, I'll come do your gig. Well, I still have that Bitcoin today. Wow. And you didn't lose it or misplace it? No, dude. I didn't lose it. Misplace it. I don't lose shit. Wow. That's... I let my wife and kids lose shit. I don't lose shit. Look, that's... That's impressive. You know, that you kept it and that you took it in 13. Yeah. Yeah. And then I've been adding. I added it 16,000. I added it 30. I added it 60. Watch it go back down to 15. But it was a little pieces, right? And then my brother sat down with me and he's like, Hey, what's your cash flow from your real estate now? Because by this time, I've been buying real estate since I was 28 years old.

9:18And the... I said, Gary, my cash flow from the real estate is like a million six a month. Every month, dude. Like, this would be going on for clockwork for 12 years. And he's like, go to this website. I think it's called Hold Something. It does an analysis of if you would have done this or that. Right. And so I looked at my cash flow. If I had to put my cash flow, which I didn't need, by the way, I've never stopped working. I have all this passive income. But I never stopped working, as you know, to earn more income. And I put it in there, dude. I would be worth like $42 billion. And then what we did was we started... I started experimenting. We'd taken the real estate part of the cash flow from the real estate. And I started by adding Bitcoin a little bit at a time. And then January this year, I said, Let me... I'm going to go try this on my audience and see how they respond to it. So we did our first real estate Bitcoin deal in January. It was $88 million transaction.

10:21$72 million of real estate. About $16 million of Bitcoin. And then we allowed people to invest with this in that, where we basically fused the real estate. We paid cash for the real estate. We paid cash for the Bitcoin. Okay. And we put the two together in a company, and an LLC limited liability corporation. And then we put the fundraising around it. So that the 100 or 200 investors that came in, and they all now own a equal piece, or their piece of this piece of real estate, the cash flows, and this Bitcoin that we now own without would no debt. Wow. And we just finished our fifth one, though we just finished our fifth one last week. It was $235 million of real estate, and $100 million of Bitcoin. Okay. And so you have those two assets in the LLC.

11:21And then you also take some of the cash flow from the real estate and buy more BTC? Yeah. And then every month, well, the first deal we did, the first deal we did it went, and I'll send you the pictures of it so you can insert it. Please. It was, it was cash flowing $3.6 million a year, $300 grand a month. So every month, we bought $300,000 of Bitcoin. So let's say two to three, or four Bitcoin a month, get added. So that account has, since January, I think we have 175 Bitcoin in that real estate. Investment. And we have the real estate. So the real estate is hopefully going up, the rents are climbing, going getting better, we're doing a better job of managing the property, lowering expenses, increasing income, and the Bitcoin, they're working together. So we're not sure really which one's hedging, which one? Okay. They're hedging each other, right? Because one's very volatile, as you know, and the other one's very stable. But what we didn't know, Brian, was we didn't know how our audience would respond to it. I knew I would do it. Yeah. And I didn't, I didn't want to go,

12:21the concept is we're going to build this portfolio. We now have the largest real estate, Bitcoin portfolio in the, in the world. Wow. Short of Japan, the planet, planet, what a, Meta planet. Yeah, I know Dylan, the player, who runs that. But they've ducked off all their hotels, except for one, which I think is a mistake. Okay. Right. Because I don't want to be a Bitcoin only business. Because I don't want to be a Bitcoin only business. You don't want to be a treasury, a digital treasury, basically, a dad. We'll talk about those. I know you have some opinions on that. Yeah. So you mix it. You have two assets real estate in the Bitcoin, and you think they work well together, because one's super volatile, and one's much less volatile. Yeah. And you can use the cash flow of the real estate to buy Bitcoin. And when you went to launch this vehicle in January, were you worried or had you already done a few tests and did you know that it was going to be over subscribed? Yeah. No, I was a bit concerned about my, because look, I've been pitching cash flow, cash flow, cash flow. You know, I got sweatshirts with cash flow on them.

13:21I got hats with cash flow on them. Yeah. There's a song made about me called the cash flow guy. So what we're doing here is we're taking the cash flow from the real estate every month, the 300 grand in the Melbourne case, which is that name of that property. And we convert that to Bitcoin. We don't distribute cash flow to the investor anymore. So I had to go to my investor and say, hey, guys, this investment is for those of you who no longer need more cash flow. Okay. So for instance, I don't need more cash flow. At some point in life, hopefully everybody watching, you're going to get passive income. And I'm not saying people should go do this as their first deal. But at some point in life, you want to get enough passive income that it pays all your bills and their surplus. So my strategy, my wealth strategy is iron income. I invest all of it. I spend none of this earned income. You and I have talked about this.

14:22Yeah. Iron income, I use the income to buy assets. So I have no money to live off of. And I only live off the passive income of this investment over here. So that squeezes down the number of things I can invest in. Like if I went above Bitcoin, it doesn't cash flow. I can't do that in the beginning because I need to live off of something which is my passive income. So in this case, what we're doing is we're just squeezing the cash flow from the real estate. Our tenants are basically buying our Bitcoin. Right. And then every month we had three or four pieces in that first piece. Now in the last deal we did, see, I didn't know if my audience was going to respond to it. My investor base, we had money come in three times faster. The check size was almost three times bigger. Wow. And the age group changed. The demographic of the investors age. What do you think it did up or down?

15:22Down by 10 years. Okay. So we should allow your audience to post. Do you think it went down by how many years or did it go up? And then come back to this and I'll answer it later in the interview once they have enough time to load it up. You want to do that? Yeah. I like that. Let's do that. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. All right. Put your responses below. Yeah. Okay. It was a very successful project. We did our first one. We're on our fifth one now. Okay. Now the fifth deal that we did because now I had confidence. The first deal we did, we did 85% real estate, 15% Bitcoin. Okay. I went and talked to Mike Saylor about this back in January. I was telling Mike what I wanted to do. He's like, look, man, you need to go public. You have a very trusted audience. You need to add Bitcoin to your real estate. And you need to be aggressive with it. And you need to, you need to build this into a big real estate. Bitcoin Treasury company is what he called it. You need to do what I'm doing. I said, but I'm not public. He's like, he literally said, that's your fucking problem.

16:24I'm telling you how to get rich. Okay. And you met him in January. And how did you meet him? And why did you listen to him? Yeah. Yeah. How did you meet him? And why did you listen to him? Well, my brother got the meeting. Okay. My brother said, hey, I'm coming down to Miami. I'm a meet with Mike Saylor. You want to come with me. Okay. Said, yeah. So Gary, Gary had been trying to orange peel me. We're in spaces, you know, two or three times a week. This is my twin brother. And he's extremely orange peeled light. He's been in crypto for five or ten years. I don't know how many years he's been in it. But he's definitely like, he's down the whole down. Yeah. He's down the whole, bro. Yeah. I met him at the consensus conference in Austin years ago. So I knew he was going down that track. But okay. So he sets up the meeting with Saylor. Did Saylor know who you were? Yeah. Because you guys are both Florida guys. Yeah. It's shocked me, dude. He's like, look, I know all about you. I know you're two next thing. I know your brand. I know your conferences.

17:24I see you online. No way. You can get your ads. No way. Can I quote Grant Cardone who once said, if you don't know me, you can't do business with me. That's right. If you don't know me, you can't flow me. Right. And so Saylor, if he didn't know you, he probably wouldn't have flowed you with the knowledge. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Down it. Right. Okay. He knew you. And he had thought about it. And he thought you should go all in on Bitcoin. And the guy sat down with me. I literally sit down across from him in the house that he lives in today was the first house that I looked at when I moved to Miami. I almost bought that house. It could have bought it for $12 million. Okay. Wow. And so I'm sitting across from him. I'm like, this is so like serendipitous. I think that would be the right word that I'm in this guy's house. And look, I didn't like, I wasn't. I didn't know if this would work. So I'm like, Mike, I have an idea that I would take the real estate, add the Bitcoin.

18:24And he's like, get rid of the real estate, dude. Just do the Bitcoin. It might. No offense, man. But I have $5 billion of real estate. I'm not going to just throw my career away. Yeah. Any more than you threw away your software business. Okay. I want to build off the real estate. I don't want to be a Bitcoin guy. Now, this is before all the treasuries popped up. Okay. Okay. Like literally between the meeting that I had with my sailor and today, 190 treasury companies popped up. Yeah. I believe all but maybe four or five of them will fail. Yeah. You might be right. And I told him at that meeting, I do not want to be that. Okay. I don't believe in that. Okay. I don't believe in I'm a public company. I'm going to raise money. I'm going to buy Bitcoin or Ethereum or Salon or whatever you're buying. That's going to go up. And then I'm going to borrow more money. That's not what I do. Dude, I'm a real estate guy. Yeah. I mean, you might as well use your IP and your specialization anyways, right?

19:25Exactly right. I can't undo this story nor would I want you because I believe real estate is one of the great investment asset classes in the world. And we'll continue to be for thousands of years. Okay. Even though it has problems. Right. So Mike was like, man, I'm telling you. I said, I think I'm going to go 85, 15. He's like, that's a pussy fun. Yeah, that's a pussy. But we all have to dip our toe in somewhere. So that's what you did. How do you get out of a rat race? How do you create wealth not only for yourself, but also for the generation to come after? I am absolutely amazed with the quality of companies that we're getting exposure to. We go on to Zoom calls with the innovators and the folks who are building new applications in metaverse, blockchain, artificial intelligence, decentralized finance. What's going on, everybody? Thumbs up if you can see me. We are focusing on early stage investment. And the quality of people that we're getting exposure to,

20:25whether it be Dan Tapio, with OneRT, Jason Ma, from Open, A Yatsu from Anamoka. There's been a phenomenal experience thus far. It has far exceeded my expectations. We are focusing on cutting-edge technologies. I view now as the best investment I've ever made. The upside I view is unlimited. And as a retail investor, I would never get this exposure anywhere outside of investment cloud. See you in the investment cloud. So I'm like, we'll probably look like $15 million a Bitcoin on an $85 million purchase. It might be a pussy fun to you, but like, he's like, I'm telling you, do like at least $50.50. And look, raising money is already difficult. I would have to raise $72 million for the real estate. $72 million for the Bitcoin. I'm like, I don't think I can do it because I've never done it. And so we tiptoed in our first deal. Our second deal, we did $15 million a cash to buy the real estate.

21:26We leveraged the real estate, and we did $15 million a Bitcoin. Third deal and fourth deal, the same thing. The fifth deal. And this is this year. The fifth deal we did, we did $235 million purchase from Blackstone. I bought it out of bankruptcy. I paid cash for it. And we added $100 million a Bitcoin. Okay. That's a monster deal. Okay. That deal has got 900 pieces of Bitcoin on it. That deal that $335 million could be worth in the next five years. A billion, two or a billion, three. Okay. And our audience loves it. My investor base loves this asset class. The goal now is to take this public. Continue to build these out and take them public. Take each individual deal public. No, we'll bring them together. Okay. We'll dissolve the membership partnerships that we have. We'll issue shares back to the investors. They'll be ground floor investors in this opportunity. So they'll come in at a price before the IPO for lack of better words.

22:30Okay. It'll be great for the investors. You're like a debt, but you hone digital assets and real assets. I'm like a debt that is got real assets. Okay. But you're training in real business, by the way, and accounts receivables and payables. And that's the problem. Okay. Like if you don't have a real business, or if the business is all built around Bitcoin or, you know, digital, what happens if that digital fails or goes through a winner or two winners? You know, I want a real use. I want a real use asset here. I can't live in my Bitcoin no matter how much somebody loves Bitcoin. And I know some of the Bitcoiners out there like, Bitcoin's going to solve every problem in the world. Bro, I still need food. I still need water. I still need a place to sleep. I still need transportation. Bitcoin cannot solve every problem in the world. It can't be the only asset class.

23:31Okay. So when you take this public, this won't be the education business or anything else. This will strictly be your real estate and Bitcoin assets. That will go public. That's right. Okay. Is that happening? Because I heard you talking to Michael, and we know it's a pain in the butt to go public. Even Michael recalls that. But also, Michael said, you just do it, right? Michael told me I went back to him, I guess, three months ago. I've had five meetings with him since then. And I said, Michael, man, I'm having trouble with the public thing to IPO thing, bro. It's like, this is terrible. I'm looking at a reverse merger. I'm looking at, I looked at a SPAC. I don't want to do the SPAC thing because it's very diluted to the investors. The reverse thing comes with hair and problem. He's like, it's a right-up passage. Do it the right way. You have to go kneel in front of the king. Take a knee. Kiss the ring. It's a right-up passage. Do it the hard way.

24:31I said, fuck, I can't do it, bro. Like, I cannot do this with the banks. And he's like, look, you got to pay the price. Everybody has to go through this. But you see, Michael's been, he's been public since he was like 33 years old. Yeah. I'm 67, bro. And I mean, other than, you know, I don't have a stock symbol that people are not telling me what I'm worth based on the price of my stock. Do you want it? Well, I want it if it's good. I want it if it's good for me and the investors. I don't want it if it's just, I don't want the dat thing. Right. And by the way, I could have done the dat thing and picked up a bunch of dough. Just like I could have done NFTs and make it a bunch of money for myself. I could go do a meme coin and pick up probably $100 million. I'm not going to do that, though. Yeah. We had opportunities to do that, too, and we passed. Yeah. Smell like the wrong thing to do. Yeah, dude. So public means that you got a whole new source of liquidity, a bunch of people that can buy your stuff.

25:35So your vow probably will go up, but then you get all the headaches of being a public company. Yeah, that's fine, but I'm a creator. Okay. The problem with most of these debts today is there's no product. There's no service. There's no customers. And there's no, the biggest mistake is there's no creator. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just because you're a capitalist doesn't mean you're an entrepreneur. And I think a lot of people confuse those two words and think that just because you put a vehicle together where you can raise money from Wall Street does not mean you can run a business. And we're seeing this with a number of these debts more than, you know, I mean, look at Naka, David Bailey over in Naka. Yeah. I don't know, David. But that didn't work. Yeah. It's been a bit of a mess. Look, Michael was obviously the OG. He was in earlier than anybody else. And then he innovated on the back of that. So when you spoke to him, he talked about everything he did in the convertible market.

26:35And now his concept of digital credit. I mean, honestly, I've been talking to Michael for five years now. And every six months, I listen to him. And I feel like he's, he's like got another black belt in Bitcoin. Because Michael's brain, you know what he's like and you called him the greatest salesman in the planet. And he's also that as well. But like he's always looking at it differently. You know, it's digital capital. It's digital energy. It's digital credit. And the way his mind goes, he can create things that no one ever saw coming. And so he's innovating. He's the entrepreneur you're talking about. And he's early. So he's bringing real value. If he can really pull off this, you know, one year instrument that yields 10 and a half percent. I mean, that's insane. That's the greatest product ever created. But I was with him. Well, I was with him. He was sitting right here. Yeah. I saw you guys. We did about two hours and 15 minutes. And as you know, when you're, when you're across from somebody, the beginning part of the interview is typically the social veneer.

27:38It's the exterior of the guy. It hadn't been breached yet. Right. You really have it. You don't really have him yet. Somewhere about the hour mark, we started talking about the, the, the, the debt instruments that he's creating. And I'm telling you, bro, the color of his eyes changed. Like, like, I try to be present with somebody. You know, and I noticed, I'm looking for the change in the guy. And I noticed about an hour when he started talking about these debt instruments. I'm like, this guy, pupils dilated. Colors changed. Bro, I went deep into this guy's psyche. And he, he believes he is going to build a five or 10 trillion dollar business. It won't even be what we know today. Like, MSTR, like, and this wasn't even on the board, which is crazy.

28:38Wasn't even on the board. Not, not board confused with this company, but in his mine, in his master mining a year ago, they weren't thinking about doing debt instruments. Yeah. Yeah, I listened to your whole dialogue and I know a bit of his history. Well, look, now you know why I love doing this stuff because when you're in the right room with the right person at the right moment, I know it sounds weird to anybody who hasn't done it. Like, you literally, the two of you become this fucking ball of energy and you're getting to these crazy levels. And you really do see this energy inside the person. Yeah. And if it's done really well, we can feel it when we're watching it. And I can see he was in a zone and you were in the zone. Yeah. And it was great. Well, they did something to me today. Yeah. So when that happened for him, what happened for me if you're present as the interviewer. And it's very difficult to be present and do the interview. Yeah. You know, you're going in with an agenda, you got a list of questions, you do want to be somewhat prepared.

29:40But by the time the interview takes place, it's like, okay, you got to throw all that away and let whatever happened happen. Yeah. And what happened for me was like, oh shit, Grant, you're thinking about this wrong too, dude. And at that moment, I was like, for the first time in my life, okay? And I've never said this publicly, a trillion dollars became a real target for me. No way. Yeah. Because you could see that Michael was going to do it and you felt that same energy of yes, I'm going to do it too. Why? Why, why, Grant? Well, because the debt market, the debt market, like in real estate, real estate is one of the largest asset classes on planet Earth. It's about 400 trillion dollars. Right. And it all requires debt. You're not, people are not paying cash for their real estate. Shopping centers, hotels, you know, you know, plots of land. Most of that is funded by a lender, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or a bank, or CNBS loan, or local bank, or whatever, right?

30:42So I was like, oh, you're, you're just looking at the real estate, Grant. You need to look at the debt part of this thing. Right. Now, when we started doing it, when I started understanding the power of Bitcoin, its liquidity is very powerful. And that power is also, though, a weakness for people, I think you guys call them the lettuce hands. Or the paper hands, yeah. Whatever. You all have all these terms, right? Yeah. But you see, liquidity is always been something I didn't want, because I don't want to look at this. I don't want to see this. Yeah. I want to make a decision. And then I want to wait. I don't care if I got to wait seven years, 10 years, 50, it doesn't really matter to me. I just want to 10x my money. And so I want to buy it. That's why I love real estate so much, because it's ill-liquid. Now, when I combine the Bitcoin asset with it, I merge the two together. I take the liquidity out of my mind with the Bitcoin, because it's secured with something ill-liquid.

31:49I don't want to break the two up. But I do have the liquidity from a debt standpoint, not yet, not today. But two or three years from now, I believe that I'm going to be able to put enough of these together, that I'm going to be able to go to a major institution or a big player and say, I just fuse together $5 billion of real estate with $5 billion of Bitcoin. I want debt against the two combined, not them separate. Because this would solve a lot of problems for a lot of people, including banks. Because real estate, if that piece of real estate that I just bought from Blackstone, it's been in the bankruptcy courts for two years. Real estate is very ill-liquid. You can't just say, I'm selling it. I want to get rid of it. I got a problem. I want to get rid of it. But you're talking about years to get rid of it, sometimes six or eight or nine months. If you want to get rid of it right away, you're going to discount the price a bunch.

32:50But if I had the Bitcoin on there, okay, and let's say I needed CapEx. Let's say I had a problem. I couldn't finish up that. I needed a couple million dollars, but the real estate doesn't have it. We're going through tough times. If I had the Bitcoin there, liquid, I could borrow against the Bitcoin or cash out the Bitcoin, do my CapEx, fix the building, and not lose it. But Donald Trump, your boyfriend, Donald Trump, he lost the plaza hotel. Yeah? I don't know if you know that. I didn't know he lost it. I remember when he bought it, and then I remember some greed. He lost it, dude. He lost it because of too much debt. Oh, wow. And had he had just 10% of that purchase. This is pre-vitcoin. But had he had 10% of that purchase funded in Bitcoin, he wouldn't have lost that property. Okay. All right. So that's the light bulb moment you had when you were talking about the light bulb moment was, man, you know, like in England, I don't know if you guys have to do this with loans

33:51less than 20% down on houses. In America, we have to put PMI on it. You're forced to buy an insurance to protect the mortgage. Okay. It cost about 2% a month of the loan. Wow. So on 400 grand, it's going to cost you about $8,000 a year. If that was Bitcoin, rather than insurance, you wouldn't lose homes in America. Okay. Okay. So if you had two four-year cycles where every month you're about $400, you're paying for $400 a Bitcoin or Satoshi's rather than insurance, which is worthless except to the insurance company, you would not have a lot of problems in this country that we have with people going to solve it. Okay. So that was the moment you had. Did you tell Michael what you were thinking or do you just kind of... Oh, no. I was just interrupting him and listening. Yeah.

34:51You were asking great questions though. I like how, again, you were just in the flow. You were just like, what is that? Yeah. What is that? Okay. Okay. Yeah. But he's not used to being interrupted. No, maybe not. But it was a great interaction because you were asking the questions that everybody was dying for you to ask because Michael's quite up here when it comes to capital markets and derivatives. He's got his pitch down, dude. Yeah. That too. I was selling a piece of software when I was, I don't know, 35 years old. And the gimmick in the software was it wasn't quite ready like no software is. And so I would show them. I would already have a program kind of built in. And the viewer didn't know, let me play with it. Let me add my stuff. So when you're doing an interview, you can't just let somebody do their little rote thing because you're not going to get down to the truth of the matter. You're going to get their pitch in the way they see it. Their bias is going to be the whole interview rather than, hey, Mike, hang on a second. I don't understand something because that throws a rich in the interview so that we can actually have a conversation,

35:55not just a sales presentation. Yeah. Also, you can explain it to you and your audience, whereas sometimes he's pitching to people that are deep into it. So what are your plans the next 12 months? And then are you going to do more of these real estate deals with Bitcoin? Are they going to get more complex? And are you going to continue the public company pursuit? Yeah, we're definitely going to continue the public company pursuit. I have a meeting after this about a vehicle that might fit farce perfectly. And you know, we're even looking at token ads in the real estate. Okay. Apparently. Okay. So it could be, it could be a public company and then inside the public company, the real estate's actually tokenized. Is anybody doing that in a serious way in the states yet? No. Okay. No, I've heard, I've heard for four years, I've heard, you need to put your real estate on the blockchain.

36:55I'm like, well, why hadn't anybody done that? Oh, somebody did it. The guy in Aspen did it. Why didn't he do a second one? Yeah. Yeah. You know, my wife even said this to me. She's like, you ask questions that people don't ask. And I'm like, do you have that? No, don't just accept what people tell you. Like if somebody says, hey, I went to the gas station and I bought great gas there. How many times have you been to that gas station? Once? Well, that's not, what does that mean? You know, so this group out of Aspen did one project. Why didn't he do a second project? I checked in a third one, and a fourth one, and a fifth one, and a sixth one, and a seventh one. If it was successful, you'd repeat it. Yeah. There's no liquidity there right now. I don't think so. So there's been five of these deals have been tokenized. I'm doing the homework and the due diligence necessary. I'm going to build a massive, I'm going to go from $5 billion to $100 billion. I'm going to grow up. Like I tell you before the interview, it's time for me to grow up.

37:55Time for you to grow up. Yeah, I want to get to that for sure. I want to go a little deeper on that. So just to put this, this stuff to bed, you're going to keep going ahead with Bitcoin. By the way, can you tell us now how did your investor change when you started putting Bitcoin as digital asset in there? The age group went up almost 20 years. Crazy. The check size tripled. Okay. Okay. 20 years from like average of 30 to average of 50 or average of 40 to average of 60. Over over 50. Okay. 80% of the people that invested with us, 82% or something had no Bitcoin. Zero. Okay. Wow. None. So you orange filled them. Yeah, because what we're doing is providing a vehicle they understand. Okay. Got it. They understand 99. Here's the problem with the Bitcoin community. I had this conversation with Mike. I said, you guys don't know how to talk to regular people anymore. Probably true. All I hear about is how fucking dollars going to hell, the world's coming to an end.

38:59We can't keep borrowing money. I've been hearing this bullshit about we can't borrow money for 67 years. The debt clock. You know the debt clock that everybody talks about? I remember it. Yeah. I don't know when it was created, but I guarantee it was around when I was born. Yeah. It used to be a New York city. I think in the 80s, you'd drive by like sixth avenue in there. It was. Yeah. Talk to that. We have too much debt. We have too much debt. Dude, this is. No, we don't. I know. We're going to have more debt. Okay. Like. I know. For people calling for the end of the dollar and the start and the sky is falling in the market crashing. I agree. I've been here in that for 30 years, especially on Wall Street, and it ain't going to happen anytime soon. And you tweeted that the other day, you're like enough Bitcoiners. This is not going to be over anytime soon, right? It's the wrong way to sell this product. It's the wrong way to sell it. Like I don't even, I'm not even talking about the Bitcoin. I'm talking about the real estate. Who's the real estate? I'm already out of bankruptcy. We stole the real estate. Peter Teal took a half million dollars and turned it into a billion dollars using the

40:00exact same techniques we're using inside the industrial problem. He met a CEO. His name was Zuckerberg. He pitched him the deal and he said, okay, I'll give you a half a million dollars. Mark went public and sold the shares to people like you. Well, what happened to Peter? Well, he exited and got a 2,300 extra turn. The wealthy invest in early stage companies, folks. The public markets are for suckers. By the way, this happens in crypto as well. It's called presale tokens. This is Salana. Does anybody know this chain? They sold presale tokens for four cents. And you can see the date on their April 50, 2018. Look at Salana today, folks. That thing's up over 1,000X. The media and Wall Street and all these hype people get you to buy the top. Meanwhile, they put their clients in at the bottom and they use you or liquidity to make their clients rich. You can play this same game. You just have to have the financial education and the deal flow. That's it. Okay. The way for this to work, if anybody wants to mimic what I'm doing, is you have to find

41:00a piece of real estate that you're buying below replacement costs. This piece of real estate would cost $350 to rebuild it. I paid $2.30, so I have $120 million. I have a third, whatever the project is, if it was $2 million, I'd have to build it for $3 million. Whatever the difference between the costs you paid and the costs to build is an opportunity to fill that up with Bitcoin rather than just get a cheaper price. You know, in sales, as a young kid, I was a salesman. You never know what you're learning as you're growing up. But I remember a guy telling me, you lower the price, lower the price, bro, lowering the price doesn't make it more valuable. And it definitely doesn't make it the right product. You're going to drive this every day, okay? You're going to get a price one time. One thing in real estate, by the way, you're better off paying a higher price and getting a better piece of real estate because you could pay a lower price and get garbage. You pay for it once, you keep it forever. So what we did was I took that analogy and said, why am I just settling for a lower price

42:05on the real estate? Because all I can do is sell a piece of real estate later in the future. Why don't I take the lower price opportunity and fill it up with something better right there? So we took the 230. We added $100 million of Bitcoin, $833 piece, I think is what we bought in that portfolio. No, actually, it was almost 900 pieces, added 900 pieces. So now we put the two together, we have real estate and Bitcoin. We're still at replacement costs. We're still cash flow positive. We still get a big tax write off. People live in the property and we have the opportunity to raise their rents because we brand it, Grant Cardone owns the building now, Cardone Capital. We brand it 10X, we take care of our investments, our tenants. We clean up the place, we furnish it, and then we offer our residents in the property, the opportunity to be the first investors.

43:05Okay. Okay. Okay. So you actually orange-pilled a bunch of new older investors with your vehicle. I never saw that coming, Grant. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah. We've orange-pilled 1500 people this year into owning Bitcoin, and most of them aren't even like, yeah, good luck on the Bitcoin, dude. Like, they're not watching every day the way you do. Okay. That's a healthier way of owning Bitcoin. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Okay. A couple other questions about crypto, and then I got a bunch more to ask you, would you ever consider any other crypto assets, you know, Bitcoin doesn't have a yield, Ethereum does have a yield. I think Solana does have a yield, because they're proof of stake, or are you just going to stick with the one and only? Well, I won't do anything until I fully understand something, so I don't, like, I don't do anything, I don't fully understand, so. So at this point, you're going to have to do it. I'll do it on myself first.

44:06Okay. All right. So I shouldn't hold the breath that you're going to go into in Ethereum play anytime soon. You know, with me, I never want to say no, I don't want to say no to, it's what I said earlier. Why would I say no to something? I don't understand, because I don't understand it, but I'm not going to say yes to anything I don't understand. Okay. So, and I don't understand Solana or Ethereum enough or Ripple enough or, I can tell you this, it'll never be gold or silver. Okay. Right. Because I understand the gold and silver would not add value to my real estate portfolio, despite the fact that gold is up, you know, whatever 80% this year, I'm still not convinced gold's an investment. Okay. All right. So the next two years involved, you're doing more of what you're doing, which is continually accumulating huge chunks of real estate, combining it with Bitcoin on certain deals and then potentially bringing everything public in the next 24 months. Yeah. We think the public piece is very, very important for our investors because it provides

45:08in with liquidity. Number two, I think I'd be the perfect person to run a public company because I believe entrepreneurship and running a company not only is it about good execution, but it's also about promotion. And I am an expert self acknowledged as well as world acknowledged expert on promotion and marketing. And I say that in it with with understanding that you have to have something to promote and market. You can't just like we're the best. We're the best and I'll be the best. You have to be you have to bring something to the table. And so we have a plan. This is what this is why these dates are failing by the way. They come out the gate. They got a bunch of hype, which is all going now, boom stock blew up, they hit the ATM. They piped it, diluted the investor, then they hit the ATM because the stock went up. The problem is three months from now, bro, you're like, who's the hype man?

46:12What's the story? And if you have no product, you have no hype. If you know what I'm saying, like you can't just keep going to the bank bar money, say we borrowed more money. That's not a hype story. And so with real estate, what we would do, we already have a plan every 60 to 90 days, we would be releasing a new purchase, a new investment, a new takeover, a refinance capability. Imagine I pay cash for $600 million a real estate, which we did last year. At any time, I can go to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and get $400 million. I present debt today. It'll be probably three and a half percent in the next year. That real estate, because it cash flows, provides tremendous debt sources. So I could go back to Fannie Mae and say, I want to borrow $400 against my $600 million purchase last year. They'll write me a check for $400, put it on the collateralized it with the real estate.

47:12And I could buy $400 million worth of Bitcoin that day, out of tax-free money. And then every month, as I build a portfolio, continue to buy Bitcoin from the cash flow. As the rents go up, every month, the rents are going to go up, you know, probably an average of $25 over time, $25 times $15,000. That's new money. Okay, so that's the plan. Yeah, look, I understand what you're saying with these digital treasury companies. And look, there was a point grant where that was the only way for some people to buy these assets because they couldn't own the outright crypto. But now, with all the tradify getting into it, there's other ways to own this crypto. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I hope it all doesn't end. And so bad, but it doesn't look very good for those right now. Yeah, and then also, on that point is that the reason I think this works so well is that a majority of the pension funds and institutions, as you know, in this country,

48:13have a mandate to invest in real estate because it's a stable, safe product, a safe investment, been proven for years. But they don't have a mandate to buy Bitcoin, but they would like access to the Bitcoin. By building this out, this fulfills their mandate to invest in real estate and gives them a taste of the Bitcoin without severe, you know, vulnerability to the ups and downs. The last thing is, in America, we have 190 REITs that control about $4.5 trillion of real estate. None of them can put Bitcoin on their treasury. Okay. So I can exploit Starwood, Avalon, Camden, KKR, all these big real estate investment trusts that are 60, 50 and 60 years old. I can now compete against guys that are behemoths because I won't be a REIT.

49:16I'll be an upsea corporation where we have real estate and Bitcoin, and we don't do distributions. We use all of our cash flow to reinforce the Bitcoin's treasury. Okay. All right. Sounds exciting. Sounds like the perfect product for a few people, and it is right a passage. You can't leave this earth grant without going public, right? That's just not in the cards. That's right. I'm glad. That's true. Pushing you to do that. I guess I'll have to do it too before I leave the earth. You were at Mar-a-Lago recently, and you remarked that Trump had incredible stamina. What do you make of the first year of his administration? You obviously got to hang out with Eric Trump recently. You had Trump on your stage, on your 10X conference, in between his presidencies, which was an amazing move. What do you make of Trump, who is ultimately also a great guy that understands hype, media, attention, a lot like you do? Well, you know what's crazy. Let me just comment on the first thing because I just spent the evening with Trump at

50:23real Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago. His stamina is unbelievable at any age. 18 million people saw this on X. It went viral. Don Lemon. You remember the failed? Yeah. Hack. Hack. The guy that was walking around New York City, asking everyone what they thought about Trump and they were telling him how much they liked him, and he was like, what? Yeah. The man on the street, he reduced from having two million viewers a night to be and having 20 people on the streets of New York. This guy, who is taking care of my white man, hates on white men, is going to go suggest that the use of the word stamina is some sexual content. Proves himself as a sexual deviant and pervert because anybody in business knows the word stamina means, bro, you get in a game and you stay in that game until you win that game.

51:27And the fact that Don Lemon would come out and play in YMCA music in the background suggesting that me and Donald Trump were somehow together just shows you the sexual deviant and loser that he is. You could do a lot worse than Trump, you know, Grant. But yeah, well said. Yeah. So what do you make of? Yeah, I was there. I was there at Mar-a-Lago. Democrats was rocking. It was a Saturday night and, you know, Trump's doing his thing, dude, after a long day of deals and golf and he's on his phone working deals, DJing the music, saying hello to everybody. It's impressive to watch. I mean, it's impressive to watch an executive, you know, the president of the United States go in as hard as he's gone the last 12 months. I mean, it just, I don't know, it just energizes me when I see that. I'm just like, damn, you know, and again, he jokes that when the New York Times, when he doesn't do four press conferences a day, they think there's something wrong with him.

52:30Yeah. So yeah, that's funny. Well, what do you make of Trump in the last 12 months? What do you make of it all? I mean, dude, look, I like what's happened, okay? The borders, the borders at least calm down. We don't have as much traffic coming in. I like the tariffs. The tariffs are good for me. I understand tariffs as a threat and as bringing other players to the table. Inflation is down in America. The only place we have a problem right now in America, we got trillions of dollars coming into this country. CapEx expenditure is going up by 15%. That's just a month. There's just going to be a period of time where all this money is going to bang here and it's going to be great. The six and a half billion dollars Michael Dell, the Trump pulled that deal off. That's not funded by the taxpayers, man. I don't know why everybody's missing this. That's funded by Richcock. And so I think what Trump has done in the first 10 months is phenomenal.

53:32The only thing that's being hung up right now is the housing sector because of Jerome Powell keeping interest rates too high. If Powell would have participated and not attempted to derail Trump's plans, our economy, the American economy would be doing even better than it is right now. Okay. Now Trump has said he's chosen the new Fed chair. We know who it is pretty much. He's got 84% chance on polymarket. That guy goes in in May. I guess we'll probably get a 50-bit cut immediately and probably another 50 after that. We're getting a cut next week, a quarter point. I think we get a half. Oh, next week? Yeah. Really? Well, why would he do that? Why would Powell do that? I think he's just got a lot of pressure on him, you know. Maybe he wants to go out in good favor. But the economy is showing a lot of signs of weakness with labor jobs. I know rents across our portfolio are weak.

54:34Okay. I know we got credit problems across the country with delinquencies and cars, homes, use cars, freight charges are down, gas prices are down. Anybody in this, anyone in this saying we have inflation in this economy, I was on a space-last night and they were talking about 40% food price inflation. I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? Since January, food prices are down, gas prices are down. gas prices and health are up, but not substantially. And I'm more worried about deflation right now, brine than I am inflation. Okay. All right. And it's interesting, because you always have a perspective grant, because you can see the rents of, you know, real Americans. And you can see where there's a going and you can see the strain, whereas a lot of the Wall Street guys and the CNBCs and stuff, they just see the stock market and they probably don't talk to any real people. So I think they don't talk to real people.

55:34Yeah. You have a look on that for sure. You know, I was with a guy at Marlago, he's worth $8 or $9 billion, said, how are things going? Then I'm like, man, you're the wrong guy to ask. All right. So we need these cuts. We need them sooner than later. Yeah. And the tax cuts are coming. They're going to hit. Yeah. You know, it's going to be good, dude. I'm telling you, America next year, if we get, if we get the protesters out of the way, the guys trying to derail Trump's plan, America could go into some golden age boom. What do you think the midterms are going to be like, I think that's very questionable. Yeah. You know, that's going to be difficult. Yeah. It's going to be hard to pull up. It's hard anyway. It's always hard. It's always hard. It's always hard. It's always hard. It's always hard. There's always a knee jerk response. It goes into control. It goes into control. If they can't control it in the house, then nothing happens for two years. That's right.

56:35That hurts everybody. You know, I had Anthony Scaramucci in here last week, and he was telling me how, you know, the tariffs are bad and all this and that. And I said, Anthony, doesn't part of you want a government that's effective? You know, the here is that, you know, the legislative can't get it. Goddamn thing done. And here we have a president who at least has a direction in some power. And with these tariffs can do things. He can make wars stop. He can push people to get action. I said, don't you want someone that at least has some power in America? And I don't know if he gave me a great answer, but like I like to see Trump doing that stuff. So Scaramucci, how do you make sense of a tariff on another country that you can't do that, but your own people get taxed. Okay. He lives, he lives with taxes or the second highest in the country. Yeah. It's bad. So it's all right. Mochis, you're all right with taxes on your own people, but when we tax another country,

57:39you got a problem with it because it's going to cause inflation. What do you think taxes do? Okay. It's funny. We should have no taxes in this country. By the way, I think Trump proposes that before the midterms. But he alluded it last night in his cabinet meeting, right? He said it a few times now that at the terrible federal, yeah. It used to be that people, tell the kids these days, they don't realize it. There used to be no income tax, you know? So I would rather print money and not have any federal taxes. Right. And at least state taxes up to the state. Okay. Only a consumption tax allow the, allow the bottom third of society to not pay any taxes. Okay. And let the other two thirds decide what taxes they're going to pay based on what they spend. It would produce the same amount of revenue, by the way. The poor would not be affected. The upper cross would be you're going to go buy a yacht. You're going to pay another 20 or 30 percent, but you got the money, bro. Right.

58:40And I know it. I'm going to go buy a new plane. The plane's 70 million bucks. I'm going to pay another 20 million dollars to have that plane. It doesn't matter. I still want the damn plane, okay? And then in the bottom, the middle third, where need, the middle third needs to quit saving and start investing. They need to quit spending on Gucci's. They will be like rather than buying Gucci and third paying 30 percent more for the shoe. I don't need it. I'm going to buy Gucci stock. Not the Gucci shoe. Bottom line is there be no more payroll tax, no more capital gains tax, no more taxes. You wouldn't even file anymore. You go to the store and you buy something, boom, there's a tax collected by the state or by the store, sent to the federal government. You don't even file your payroll tax if you're paid a thousand bucks a week, ask your staff. If they get a check for a thousand bucks a week or two grand a week, they keep the entire $2,000. You want to pay taxes?

59:40Boom. You go to the store and buy something above that, let's say that 28 or $30,000 level that people need to live, anything above that is taxed, anything below that is not taxed at all. And this would cause a lot more money being put, being invested back into the system. Five trillion dollars would be pushed back into the hands of Americans to decide what they want to spend their money on. And if you're still broke after this, that's on you. And the federal government should tell people that you keep all your money. If you fuck it up, you're the fuck up. Right. You can't blame us anymore. I'm in. I'm all in. And speaking of that. And from time to time, Brian, from time to time, the country will possibly need to print money. But what's different? Right now, we print money. COVID happens. We print money. Vietnam happens. We print money. Like, you know, but you have to get a pass through the people. But at least you're not taxing me and printing me. Okay.

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1:01:46to go to 25 million children. They're going to be set up with these Trump savings accounts. What a concept. What a crazy idea. What a lot of people were saying at that news conference that for the first time, you know, like an American child would like have a piece of the dream. They would be invested in other companies. They would be invested in America. They'd have a reason to compound their savings. What do you make of all that? It's great, dude. This is Donald Trump being in DC saying, bring your ideas. Bring your ideas. Bring your money. Come talk. Okay? Like this is what happens when people get together. You know, Michael Del, I don't imagine Michael Del was even a supporter of Donald Trump. Yeah, you might be right. But here he's saying, this is what Trump does. Come on in. Like Mouche. See, Mouche is the one with the but the but the but hurt with Trump.

1:02:46This is the problem I always have with Mouche and I've said it to him. I mean, you just did your interview with him, right? Recently. Yeah, Friday. Like, bro, you're the one with the but hurt, bro. But Trump doesn't have a but hurt. Trump would Trump would bring him back and talk to him right now. Trump doesn't have enemies like that. Now my wife, if you if you piss off my wife, she never wants you in the house again. You piss me off. Dude, as long as we can do business in the future, I mean, if you haven't gone too far, as long as we can do business together, I'll do business with you. I'll forgive that. I won't forget it. I'll forgive it. Remember that you're slime ball and still try to do business with you. Yeah. The beauty of men. That business men that don't get emotional, yeah, that's what that is. Okay. At one point, you were talking about running for president. Are you running in 28? No, I wouldn't talk about running for president after that. Yes, you were at some point. Governor. Governor of California. Governor of California, yeah. I'm not running. You're not running? Were you ever seriously going to run?

1:03:48I was seriously looking at it. Really? Very, very seriously. In a state that you left that you don't necessarily like or no, you always liked it, but you left it. Yeah. I just, man, after the fires, you know, here we are almost a year since the fires, nothing has been done. Wow. I can't. They won't let me fix my house. Seriously? Okay. And your house was damaged, but we're not destroyed, right? Yeah. I have a bunch of smoke damage. I have some physical damage, but a bunch of smoke damage. And fortunately, my house was saved. 18 homes adjacent to me were burnt to the ground. 80 homes on the other side of me were burnt to the ground. And for some reason, you know, I don't know why I was blessed with like bang. But now they came to me and said, look, Mr. Cardone, if you spend $1 more than 50% of the house's value, you need to tear it down to the ground and replace it.

1:04:49Really? Okay. They won't let me fix it. And if I want to fix it, if I want to spend more money than whether the insurance covers it or not, if I spend $1 more than one half of the value, they want me to tear it down to the ground, go into the bedrock, houses only 12 years old, go into the bedrock, 30, 38 feet, pull all the pylons out, which are 36 inch, cement, concrete blocks, 38. 8 feet deep. They want me to pull that structure out so that I raise the house six inches. Because they said FEMA got involved and said, I'm six inches, possibly six inches below the floodplain. Wow. You've never had in 14 years ever, in 40 years, none of that Malibu coastline has ever had a problem with flooding. Okay. Now, that's my house, you got another 54,000 structures across 18,000 lots and nothing's

1:05:54been done. Permits have not been approved. No building has happened. Look, they don't want to rebuild that state of California. This is a land grab, man. This is the greatest land grab in the history of the United States. I think Malibu was not Malibu, but Maui or Hawaii was a trial run. They ran in North Carolina and now they ran it in the Palisades, Altadena and Malibu and they're trying to seize this property. I was looking for governor there, but I don't think they're going to change there. Somebody's going to try to become a governor, but unless you get rid of FEMA and you've got to get rid of the Coastal Commission and the environmentalists, you're not going to make change here. I think you go crazy as governor. Maybe you like it. I don't know. No. I don't think so. No. Okay. So that's on hold. If I can't make change, dude, what am I doing? Yeah. I know. I mean, Arnold gave it a shot, but he had a hard time as well trying to get changed.

1:06:57He bitched out. He bitched out in the second term, though. Yeah. Maybe that's true. He's coming back around. He's going conservative again in all of his interviews. Yeah. You see how he waivers and I've been with Arnold, but he waivers, dude. It's very easy to get him to waiver. One minute. He's in the humbies. Yeah. I won't forget what he said during COVID. Fuck your freedoms. I won't forget. I'll never forget that. That still bothers me to this day. When we started this off camera, you said, I'm going in a different direction. You said, Brian, I might be giving all this up and I still can't believe that. What do you mean? What is this new direction? What's the next Grand Cardone waive for the next five years? Well, I mean, the thing that I'm one of the things I'm most proud of in my careers that I'm able to transition. I've transitioned a bunch of times in my life, you know, from being even in my early 20s to drug addict and homeless to, you know, a job I didn't like then becoming so good at

1:08:02that job I didn't like that people hired me to go teach other people how to do that job, then transition into being a consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. You know, I was one of the leading consultants traveling around the planet and one day I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. I want to grow up, gave that up and became a real businessman and started investing in companies and growing a company and social media got a hold of me when I was in 2010 and it showed me a way to scale my brand in my name and we did that successfully. And you know, at some point you're like, man, do I, is this what I want to do? You know, I don't want to be an influencer on internet on Instagram. And so we just finished, we had these large business conferences that we did. We did our last one. This was the most profitable business conference in the country.

1:09:04This is your 10X thing you do in and go and shot that. Yeah. It's over. Boom. Done. Your last one was in Vegas? Yeah. Your last four or five have been in Vegas, right? And they were like, yeah, yeah, we, and we changed that whole business like they, nobody goes to a conference and doesn't compare to our conference. Okay. The lights, the mood, the smoke, the sound, the audio, the production, like it was a business conference that you didn't really know what you were at when you're a concert. Like, it was so cool, right? And so we did that in, in, you know, last year, the last two years, I told my team, I'm like, hey, we're coming to the end of this. And this was our big thing, dude. You just felt the, you just felt the energy inside of you less than two. Yeah. I'm like, you know, it's like, okay, guys, everything has a shelf life, you know, do we wait for the, do we wait for the marketplace to end us or do we end us?

1:10:06I would rather end my career in a space in transition, you know, I don't want to be fired from the team. And I was fired when I was 29 years old and had to go start my own business. That's the last time I've been fired. I'm like, no, I'm going to end my career before I start the next one, right? I'm just going to end this and go to the next thing. So, I've been wanting to transition now to more this public concept. I want to scale the company, the, the, the event business, I was telling Eric Trump this. He's, because he came and spoke in my last conference. He's like, God, he's like, Grant, I've spoken in a thousand events. I've never seen that event ever. That level, that quality, the sound, the attention to detail, he's like, that was amazing. I said, it's a shit business. He's like, yeah, you're right. I get it. Like, he understood it. I mean, it's not scalable. Okay. But you used to tell me when you, because you did the Marlin Stadium one time, that was a huge thing, right, down in Florida.

1:11:09And I remember you told me you said, Brian, it's the business I get on the back of those conferences. And it might, I think you told me one time you said, Brian, there's 10 guys there that I need to meet with. And when they come and they see what I put on, it's those 10 deals that I do, more important than the 27,000 people there. That's 100%. 100%. See, I listen. I listen. You do listen. But, but at some point, you've done enough of those. Okay. All right. You know, I remember, I remember Damon John about three or four years ago, Damon's not so, so in love with me today, I hope he hears this. Okay. He's been a little bit of a bitch, because he's got some third party on me. It's not because me and Damon have a problem. He's got a third guy's talking about me to him that's affected his view of me anyway. Damon was up. Damon, Damon was looking at renewing for, for Shark Tank. And I'm like, bro, you've done 11 years. I mean, once you've done 10 or 11 years, doing 12 and 13 doesn't change anything.

1:12:13Unless you just want to be in the light. Yeah. Unless you just look at that camera, you addicted to the camera. That's one thing. My point to everybody is once you've done something enough time successfully, at some point, you want to transition. Yeah. And do the next thing. Yeah. And because that's where the curiosity, I was interviewing Tom Brady. And when Tom, Tom had left the NFL, he'd left Tampa. And I said, Tom, how much preparation are you doing for the next, your next career? He's like, you're the first person to ask me that. As I imagine right now, you have voice coach. You have a vocabulary coach. You have somebody, you know, prepping you on teams, styling, like you're not going to just step away from talking to Grock in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the huddle. Yeah. And, and know how to be a sportscaster, just because you know the teams. Yeah. So different. Yeah. And, and so he said, oh, he's like, I'm spending hundreds of hours, if not thousands of hours, preparing to be a broadcaster.

1:13:15Yeah. Transition. Yeah. That's what pros do. All right. So 10X conference bullet in the hand. You transition backwards. Yeah. Okay. You, you, you're like, I'm going to go back into boxing. No, I've been thinking, I'm thinking about this transition the whole time you've been talking to me. You know, look, I left the city of London, making a ton of money in an industry. A lot of people would kill to be in, but I had lost the passion for it, Grant. I didn't want to do it anymore. And it was time for me to do something different and I'm so glad I did. And look, the great thing about having this show, Grant, is that I can do many different things inside of this umbrella. So four years ago, we went heavy into blockchain and we basically raised a fund, a bit like what you did from social. And we ended up investing, you know, $25 million of high risk capital into blockchain companies. That's probably the equivalent of a half a billion dollars in like a real estate asset that's, that's less volatile. And we did it all through, we actually used our media to promote the CEOs of the blockchain

1:14:16companies. And we used our audience to come together and invest to it in a venture capital firm. Never been done before. So that's cool, man. That was fun. And now I'm looking, okay, what do I want to do next? I spent a lot of time in Dubai and I'm like, okay, what's the next transition? So I know what you mean. Like there's something inside of you that tells you, I'm done doing this. And I want to go do this. And when you lose the passion for it, nobody wants to see you up there. Donate it in, right? And you don't want to be that guy either. And we see it all the time. Maybe on some of those TV shows you just mentioned where it's like, really do I have to look at Mark Cuban again on this goddamn show? Does he really give a shit about investing or is it just about keeping the media profile up there? I don't know. Yeah. But I know what you mean. So for you, it's next level, which is the CEO of a public company who you don't need to see the CEO of a public company on Instagram every day. Yeah, look, I mean, you know, I need to look in the mirror, you know, Michael, a man in the mirror, bro, it's not even about passion for me.

1:15:20It's about, it's about God instilled me with a tremendous amount of potential like I think he did everybody. I think everybody was given this unbelievable, infinite amount of potential that is underutilized, not recognized, not acknowledged by the individual. And that's why we all get so hurt when other people don't acknowledge us and recognize us because we don't record, we're not paying attention. I know I have unbelievable gifts that I have not touched. I have it accessed. I don't, I'm not even aware of them. I'm like, people think I'm egotistical when I say something to stuff, but I know, I know, I just know what I know that I have other levels of me that I'm not aware of. And, you know, for me not to pursue those. And I know, I know that happens because I saw this great catch Sunday, a couple of teams were playing, I forget who was playing this guy, this does a one arm catch, one hand

1:16:21catching. Why does that inspire me? I'm not a football player. It inspires me because I know I have that in me somewhere. I have greatness. And once you've reached some part of your, you know, Maslow hierarchy, you know, you're like, I'm in purpose. I'm helping people. How do I help more people? So I did seven or eight meetings with Wall Street this year and went and met with those people that you grew up around. And I'm like, bro, this is where I should be. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Does that mean you're moving to New York or you're just going to be public? Who knows? I mean, just means I'm going to go in and I'm going to like, like I know stuff that these guys do not know. Okay. I was in seven meetings. There was probably about 50 or 60 different bankers, technology people, CIOs, I mean, these

1:17:23are top of the food chain guys that created the read industry and I told a story to those guys and they were bug-eyed. Yeah. Okay. They were, you would be a machine here. Yeah. You bring a lot of different tools to the table grant and a lot of different experiences. And those guys, even though they're at the top of the food chain in their, in their little sub verticals, they haven't done anything like what you've done. Yeah. So, you know, and for me, it's just being curious and the adventure, who knows, maybe I go there and flop, I doubt it because I'm not going to fail because I know the only way to fail is to quit. And as long as I put my head down and don't quit, don't give up, don't surrender, don't lower, that's why this 10X concept is so important. Tell me. Like, you raised, you raised 25 million, right? I mean, I've been 10X in myself, right? So, you raised 25 million, rather than figuring out what's next for you, you would just say, okay, next target, 250.

1:18:25Right. And your target is going to, is going to be the path to you figuring out where you need to be, who you need to become, what you need to be and what the vehicle is. Right. Right. And if you raised 25 million, how long did it take you to raise the 25? It was probably two years total from real high to get it done and invested. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You start thinking of, how do I make that happen and all of a sudden things start coming to you, right? Well, well, well, because if you keep, if you try to figure out how you do another 25 million, that's two years. Yeah. Okay. I got a, who do I call on? It's, you end up with the same problems because you're asking yourself the same question you did last time. So when I'm at five billion, I'm like, okay, if I go by another 300 units, I go from five billion to 5.1 billion, I go to 5.1, 5.1 to 5.2 to 5, like I'm going to be 100.

1:19:32But how do I go from 5 billion to 50 billion? And I just keep asking myself, how do I do that? Who's done it? I don't know how to do it. I know I'd be cool to do it. How do I go from 5 to 50? Oh, I need to meet some different people because I don't have the answer to these questions. And then it's like, who's done it? Banks have done it, private equity's done it, nobody's done it, crowdfunding, nobody's done it through education, nobody's done it through podcasts. Investment club. Today, I considered the best investment that I've ever made. We get four projects presented a week by their associated CEOs. Personally, I'm completely blown away by the quality of these projects. And I know of nowhere else where I would be given the same opportunity. Each week that passes, I feel more appreciative of fact that I'm a member of this group. The vibe was just tremendous. Everybody's on the same wavelength. We just clicked. Everybody listened to each other, enjoyed their company. It was just magical, magical. Take action. Don't take my word for it.

1:20:32Through diligence you need to do. And I really hope that someday, down the road, I see you in the club. A far exceeded expectations without questions. Okay, I mean, Joe Rogan, he's got $120 million a year salary. Okay, that's not my target. So what am I doing trying to be in that guy? I'm doing the podcast. I don't want to be Joe. I want to be me, the next version of me, right? And so when I go survive to 50, I'm like, how do I do that? Oh, I got to buy a company or I got to go public. You know, I need Vanguard to support me. Yeah. You always said, in one of your books, you said, I got to find new problems, that's what you said. Yeah. And that's something that's hard people get their head around. It's like, you want these big new results. You got to go find some new problems. Not the same old problem you've been dealing with because solving that problem isn't going to get you to the 10X level, right?

1:21:33Yeah, they're boring too. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And again, I don't want to have the same argument with my wife. I'm like, maybe let's get a new one. Right. And plus solving one problem, you can solve a 10X bigger problem and it's probably not much harder, right? No. Exactly. You mentioned all these other businesses, Grant. We've never had a discussion where you said anything but your real estate with the B word, the billion dollar word. And now you're talking about 10X health and your education and all that, like growing up, like in unison with your real estate, AOM, how did this happen? What's happening here? What are the plans for those companies? Do you spend them off? Do you keep going? And how did this all of a sudden happen? Or is this a compounding effect of what Cardone does? Yeah. No, this is, man, this is being around people like yourself, you know, getting inspired to do bigger things. How do I get there, right? So, you know, bringing good people around you. I start my day almost every day with a workout and listening to super successful people like I'm listening to this long boring ass, audible download about JD Rockefeller.

1:22:42It's terrible, dude. It's terrible. Like I'm like, oh, my God, how many more chapters do I have in this terrible, audible product? But this was one of the richest guys that ever walked this planet. So I'm just looking for those little things in there. Yeah. I've been listening to a whole bunch of this bullshit to get to the thing that hits me. Okay. And so that's what I do. I listen to these super successful guys that have built these phenomenal things that allowed them to live beyond a lifetime. And those things that inspire me and then I start looking for the vehicle that can get me there. You know, it's not really very complicated, right? If I want to go someplace, I just need to decide where I want to go. I want to go to London. Okay. Who's got a plane that can get me to London? And Delta, well, who can get me to London? Then I go jump on that plane and get to London. Okay. So the same thing when I have financial targets, I'm like, and everything for me is a financial target. So I convert everything to a financial target.

1:23:43Like if it's, I want to spend more time with my kids. Okay. How do I do that? They're growing up. What would that have to do with a financial target? Well, you know, they're, they're 15 and 16, 14 and 16. What are they going to do now? They're going to have to start having their own friends. They're going to start or they're going to go to college or how do I, how do I create something so interesting here that I could spend more time with them? And that's going to require money. There's no situation that money is not required. It's a powerful statement. I was going to ask you about Sabrina and Scarlett, how are they going to be part of Cardone Enterprises going forward? And you remind me a little bit about Jerry Jones. I don't know if you saw that Dallas Cowboys thing on Netflix, right? And I also watched a show called Landman and Jerry did a cameo there. I love it. I love all Taylor Sheridan stuff. But Jerry did a cameo on that show in the first or second episode of season one.

1:24:47And he was basically himself and he was given advice to one of the characters, the big oil man that ended up dying, sorry, spoiler alert. And he said, I always wanted to be around my family so I brought him in my business. And I guess it was a true story. And you could see in that Netflix show, it was a true story because his daughter's there is two sons there. Is that what you want for your daughters in an ideal world and the older do you get? Do you want it more than ever? Yeah, I mean, if they want it, if they want it, I want it, I'd love to have that. I'd hate to see them go off and work for somebody else. I'm like, well, that was stupid. For me and for them, because they're extremely talented kids. I've invested a lot of time and energy in these kids. We've done a great job of raising my kids. One of the things I'm most proud of is how we brought our kids up. And I would hate to lose them because they're valuable products too.

1:25:48I would hate for them to have to go lose the opportunity. I'm five billion dollars closer than the next thing they're going to get to. And I think that matters. I would love to put my kids in that position. Sabrina wants it. Yeah. She's already doing things for you. She wants it right now. She's like, she called me yesterday. She's like, I'm doing this course right now, but I know I'm actually avoiding work with you. She's like, I'm doing this course and this course is really important, but I need to get back because I'm into work avoidance. I need to get back there and confront the things I need to confront, to learn the things I need to learn. So we can grow this business big. She's 16, man. That's crazy. I love it. Yeah. She's special. And then Scarlet's, Scarlet's, and she wants to be an actress. My God. Yeah. But she, I think she knows that that only runs so, so long and that likelihood you're tiny and that she wants to learn the business as well.

1:26:48They both work in the business. They both get paid by the company. They both have obligations and we don't give them allowances. They get a salary and that salary has a contract and that contract has agreements that they have to deliver on. Okay. All right. So that's all going good. And you like him to stay there. Yeah. I think it's got to be all right. All right. And you got Elena doing the 10X women's. You do quite a lot of those things, right? You do the courses and all. And so many, we're facing some of that out too. Okay. Just because you want to focus on the public thing. Yeah. Like we need to, she can be much more beneficial and a number of areas. So we're realigning right now, right? Again, this is, we could just keep drifting the way we have been. I mean, life is not terrible. Yeah. I can imagine. Right. I mean, life is not horrible for us. Yeah. So are shocked when they find out how old you are, Grant, because you act about 15 years younger than you are.

1:27:49Oh, thank you. And look, as well. Tell me about 10X self, because when I first met you, I don't think you were working out at all. I don't think you were really caring about your health. I think you were focused on business. And then all of a sudden, there was a big shift in you. And now I, you know, I can't not see your damn six pack when I'm scrolling on the media. I'm like, oh, man, I got to block this guy. So what's going on? When did that happen? And how much has it changed? You can't look at those pictures without thinking, God damn, he's attractive. He's good looking, but I'm good looking too, man. I don't know. It's tough. Well, how would we be together, huh? You get a little, you get that moment, you get that, like you and Trump, not Don's going to join us. I want a stamina. Yes. Mr. Lemon is going to troll us both. Yeah. No, dude, I was very concerned with my, I was more concerned with my health the first time that I met you than I am today, okay. Even though I wasn't doing anything about it, and that's why I was more concerned about it. Okay. Okay.

1:28:49Because everything's hurting. You're just ignoring it. Yeah. Ignoring your health is paying attention. Yeah. Okay. And then you started taking massive action. And then, and then this guy, Gary Breka, I met Gary Breka and he started, he, he showed me some supplements to get on. We started doing IVs and I'm like, dude, I love this. This is amazing. He put a, they took my blood. And when they, they prick my blood, I'm like, I'm about this company. Like literally, because I'm like, if, if, if, if somebody lets you take their blood, like, they trust you completely. And then I looked at his business at that time, I mean, he had a shit business. He had 60 customers. If he made a million bucks a year gross, it would be like, it was a record. And so we bought the company. We did a deal with him. It was an unbelievable deal for him, by the way, if he had just been a good boy. And we put the, started scaling the products out, scaling the services out.

1:29:54We went from 60 customers to 256,000 customers. And we scaled from three products to 33 products plus growing. We, we were in one country, we're approved in 38 countries now. We just did a deal in Abu Dhabi. So you know, I was like, man, everybody needs health. I'm a build on it. I'm a brand this company. I'm a build. I'm going to make Gary a celebrity I did. And then unfortunately, some people don't know how good they have it. And we had to terminate that agreement and rework, you know, basically Gary's not with the company anymore. But he does promote some of our products. Okay. And you guys made up or you guys were on a show together and hashed it out. Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, you, we made up the way I make up. Right. Trump style. You know, what? You just hash it out and leave it, leave it at that.

1:30:56I mean, look, man, I'm not, I'm, I'm a self-admitted transactional person. So I do, I do deals. I, I don't, I'm not looking for friends. I'm looking for business, business opportunities where we become friends. Not friends where we do business. I'm not doing business with friends first. Okay. I don't do business like that. I do business, create a business, organize a business, grow the business. And then I actually get to meet how, how somebody actually acts. Sometimes you don't meet them over a drink. Okay. Put a little money in front of them, put a deal in front of them, put growth in front of them. You want to fuck somebody up, give them some fame. Okay. You forget the money, give them some fame. Then add some money and then watch it, watch the real person come out. And then, and then, then, then we can find out. So like, you know, I, I got, I got very long, Jerry Glance been with me 15 years, Jerry's been with me 15 years.

1:31:57I've been married 23 years, Brandon Dawson's been with me seven or eight years now. We run a business together and we're friends, by the way, but we did the business and then we became friends. Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah. It makes sense. You learn a lot about someone when you do business with them, right? Yeah. And then, then you know who they are. So each one of those businesses, you say could potentially be a billion plus. Do you just keep growing them? Do you think it's been a mod at some point? Yeah. The next health probably today is probably worth, probably worth $3 billion to an out $3 billion. Wow. That company, just based on this revenue, the educational business in the consulting company, that could be worth two times, I mean, what, two times revenue, four times revenue, a couple of billion dollars. Will you sell them ever? I don't think I'd sell them, but I could share them.

1:33:00Okay. Take on some investors. I could take on, I could take, I could let our customers and our investors become, become owners rather than just consumers. Okay. Potentially take them public too. Maybe. Potentially. Yeah. Okay. All right. I like that. Grant, I think I want to finish on what is your message to the average American out there? You know, we saw this, this new mayor in New York City, right? Mom Dommie who went and met with Trump, that was interesting. And we're seeing this kind of wave of socialism kind of sweeping across certain places. Now I had a woman named Natalie Brinnell on the show last week who wrote a book about Bitcoin. And she said that part of the frustration and a lot of just normal people are the fact that they don't understand that their government prints money and they just blame it on the rich, but they don't seem to see through that. If you just try to tax the rich and vilify them, it doesn't make it better for anybody

1:34:01else. Maybe that's true. Maybe that's not. I don't know. But we're obviously seeing this maybe younger generation say, wait a second, this isn't fair. And when a Grant Cardone comes down or if I come down and say, yeah, but taxing these people isn't the solution and socialism isn't the solution, can't you see it? A lot of times they can't see it, Grant. So how do you try to explain that to people or do you try? Yeah, well, I think I think it's a great question. The top one. Natalie. Natalie in the Bitcoin community, by the way, the Bitcoin community needs to quit saying that people are priced out. There's nonsense. Oh my God, it's so unfair. We printed so much money, nobody can afford a home. Yeah. Wrong. It's never been easier to buy house. I would rather try to buy a house in 2025, if you wanted to buy a house, it's easier to buy a house at $440,000 today in America in 2025 than it was in 1958 when the house

1:35:03was seven grand. How is that? Right. It's easier to produce money. Okay. Finance is easier. It's easier to be a millionaire. Okay. It's easier to be worth 10 million. Okay. We're you're making people Jake Paul and Logan Paul are multi millionaires today. Yeah. Easily. With IQs in the 80s. Okay. Let's go. I'm just kidding. Jake, if you saw that, okay, you know, it's a joke, but maybe not, okay? My point is you have to go back to the 1800s, okay? Was it harder in the 1800s or easier in 2025 to buy house? Yeah, probably. In the 1800s, man, you had to build your own house, okay? There was a modern level. There was no air condition. There was no heater. There was no lights. Or would you rather, hey, I got a $440,000 house I can put 40 grand down. Now what's the problem? I got to go hustle 40 grand. Now Natalie's going to say we printed too much money.

1:36:05Natalie, actually, if you printed more money, money should be easier to get. Because there's more money. We printed more money than there are people. We didn't have that many more babies. So every time they print money, people got to change their attitude, okay? You have to be in a no-excuse environment. You cannot excuse your way out of this or blame because when you give yourself excuses and when you blame, you go blind. You go blind opportunities. You can no longer see the opportunity. So I hear these Bitcoiners say all the time, it's terrible to fed. Oh my God, we price these young kids out. Most of all, these kids should not be buying homes. They should be building their brand and their businesses. Not buying houses. Nobody's entitled to a house. You don't need one. You need a place to live. Number two, okay, there's more opportunities. Do you imagine back in the, in the, in, um, 1920, if you were a single mom, you had no

1:37:11education and no way to make money, okay? And you're like, okay, I got to take care of my kid, I'm going to be a prostitute. Maybe somebody's got to be the prostitute. Somebody had to clean dishes. Somebody had, somebody has to do the shit jobs, right? Until they don't. And so today, fast forward to 2025, a woman doesn't have to be a prostitute, okay? She could be an only fan, never, never actually surrender her body to anyone and make a million dollars a month. That, my point is I'm giving you these, these, uh, drastic situations, but I'm showing you how much easier it is. But they have to be entrepreneurial to get to do that. But you got, you got to want, you got to want a different target and you can't want a different target if you're complaining about the location you're in. Right. Okay. I got, I got to see where I want to go. I got to look for that place. There you go. I want to go, I want to go be a millionaire.

1:38:12Okay. Do the math on that. So, so it's just not true to me that it's not real to me. The socialism isn't even the problem. It's the confusion. The solution to the problem is me. I need to go find a target, achieve the target, not quit on the way there, learn whatever I have to learn to get there and I don't want to do the pull yourself up by the boots and all that stuff. But move in the direction of the thing that you want to find. All right. So, stop blaming others. Take some ownership. There's hundreds of thousands more opportunities today than you've ever had in the past. So just grab them and make them happen. That's easier. It's never been easier. Yeah. It's never been easier. Yeah. You look, look, look, look, this AI thing is going to remove every excuse anyone ever had. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the AI. How is AI going to change your business and all businesses in the next five years? Are we going to have massive unemployment? What do you, what do you make of all that? I think we will. I think we will have massive, we will lose massive jobs, hundreds of millions of jobs

1:39:12where we lost in certain spaces and some, and those jobs will be added in others. You know, you're still going to need, nobody's replacing me and nobody's going to replace you. Okay. There's no, there is no AI. Somebody wrote me the other day and said, AI is going to displace all three of your companies. I'm like, Brian, nobody displace me. I'm going to use AI to expand and scale my companies. Right. So, so the, this thing, bro, I'm on, I'm on AI use AI every day. Yeah. So to sailor, right? That's where it got all of his great ideas just by going back and forth with that AI. He said faster than any group of accountants or lawyers could have ever helped him. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But you got to be willing to ask the question. Yeah. Yeah. And challenge it. Yeah. Hey, I'm a investing in crypto is scary. It takes a real leap of faith because there are so many scams, rug pulls, and bad actors out there.

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1:41:14I mean, to some degree, we already have it worldwide. Yeah. You would just welfare state, you mean? Yeah, but I mean, you know, 40 million people get food relief every month in this country over here. What do they get over there? Yeah. It's the same thing. I mean, you guys have run Europe. All of Europe's run. Yeah. Europe's not coming back. You know, America will have Trump and you have a ray of hope. And you can at least see that there's a way out of it. In Europe, I know Trump coming over here and it's going to slowly grind down and unfortunately it's rooted in socialists. There's a dirty, nasty socialist vertebrae in Europe. And then the UK is so goddamn close, people pull into it and I don't see a way around it, Grant. Well, I think there's a way around it. What is it? What is it? Ownership. Spiritual awareness. Find out who you are. You know, I'm extremely curious about God, spirituality, expansion, possibility, potential,

1:42:18awareness because that's where opportunity comes from. You can't see if you're occluded. If I'm blaming John over here, even if John did it, by the way, even if John did something bad to me, I'm blaming John or the priest or the politician, I'm blaming him. I'm not taking responsibility. How did I put myself in this situation? Why did John pick me and not you? I did something to get myself there. I don't want to repeat that activity. I'm blind. I'm occluded to something. And by the way, if I'm occluded to any one thing, that means I could be occluded to a million other things. And so if I can remain curious, who am I? Where did I come from? Why do I fuck up? Why do I pick the wrong friends? Why am I reactive? Why do I have fears and phobias that I can't even explain? Why would somebody be scared of a plane or heights or water when they have never had a negative experience with one of those? Okay, why am I scared of success?

1:43:20Why am I scared of money? So these are things that my church helped me with, Brian, so much. The technology of me discovering what is causing me to be reactive, limiting my beliefs and possibilities and opportunities and making me become more aware of my relationship with God and what God has instored and instilled in me so that I can reach my full potential and actually be satisfied, somewhat satisfied with life, because I don't think money or success makes you satisfied. I think it's like, I'm reaching, you know, that's why you say, I look 15 years older. Bro, it's my church. It's me being curious. A man that is not curious is going to look old. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so you're challenging everybody in Europe to get some good news for me. Become aware, to look self-discover.

1:44:23Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned Abu Dhabi. I spent a lot of time in Dubai. What do you make of the Middle East? It's a different way of thinking over there. Obviously for them, man, they 10X every goddamn day over there, I'm curious what you think of it out there. They're curious. They're spiritual people. They pray five times a day. Like anybody that frowns on that, look at the commitment. Every time I'm going there, what's a little town north of Abu Dhabi that's the financial district? It's one of those, one of the Emirates. So, there's Ross El-Kamen, there's, there's a couple others up there and then obviously Abu Dhabi's down south. Yeah, there's one, and it's one of the most religious. Okay. All right. They don't, you know, they don't do any, no alcohols there. Okay. Anyway, I was in a speaking gig there, okay. And you wake up to the prayer, you go to sleep to the prayer, noons to prayer. And I was with somebody and they kind of mock, made a mockery of it.

1:45:23I'm like, what are you talking about, bro? When's the last time you've been to church? When's the last time you prayed? When's the last time you paid respect to anything? Like you should not mock this. You should be, you should admire the commitment to this. They would stop and pay reverence to anything. So, I just think that that's admirable, man. Like you, anybody that can do something every day, that's not destructive to you. I don't mean some of these neuroses that people have. The fact that you could do something every day, work out every day, wake up at the same time every day, be good to people every day, produce every day, pray every day. Dude, that's amazing. And so, I think that those are very curious people. Also, they're extremely tolerant of other ideas, other religions. This idea that they disrespect women and you have to be a Muslim and you have to believe in their God. That's none of that's true.

1:46:24Yeah. That has not been my experience there. Yeah. No, it's correct. It's not what you've been told, you know. Yeah. And the women, they got it, they got it made over there, you know. They got parking spaces in the front for women and when I went to get my golden visa, there was a separate line for women. Like, they got to go to the front of the line and everyone's tolerant. It's actually illegal there to not be tolerant. And you know, I walk around Grant and I did it. I noticed, wow, there's not a liquor store. There's not a strip club. There's no graffiti. There's no homeless people. I think I could get used to this, you know. And then I walk around and I stay right by the Palm Jamira and I'm like, if you know, if this is an inspiration, what the hell is? These people said we're going to build something that's ever been built before and then delivered on time. Yeah. And it's like, so I'm always inspired when I'm there, plus the place is full of hustlers. And I always say it, whether you're the cabbie or the construction person or the guy who's becoming an influencer, everybody moved there because that's a better chance for their

1:47:25life. They left their family behind so they could make more money and do better. And so the whole vibe is a hustler. I'm telling you, Grant, when I come back to London, I notice things like, wow, here's somebody walking slow down the street. What's wrong here? Because nobody walks slow in Abu Dhabi, right? I see people here that they don't even want to be there because they're just collecting a check. You don't see those people in Dubai, everyone is there. And his highness has this expression from Dubai. He said, he said, in the morning when you wake up, whether you're a gazelle or a lion, you run. That's what he said. Right. And that's, that's the philosophy. I love that, right? And so you're surrounded. You don't see workers in the hotels on their phones, you know, texting. No. No man. Not allowed, bro. You don't want to go there and work. You're going to be exported from that country and you will never go back into the country. Yeah. And people say, oh, look at the exploitation. It's like, no, someone chose to be there because they're making more money and getting better things than they could back in Sri Lanka with 30 million people all scrambling for

1:48:29the same, whatever. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a fan. It's a nice mentality to be around when your love is turned cities are getting you down. So I'll be headed there in a few weeks. Maybe, maybe I'll fly and pick you up and we'll go down there together. I'd love to. I got to see the jet, the new jet. So you got four cabins on the new jet. Yeah. It's a beast, man. And that's the addiction you can never get rid of. That's the thing you don't want to get rid of. Right. That's the hardest thing to kick. I heard is the jet. Yeah. Maybe I told you that. I told you that. I told you that. I think you told me that. The hardest, the hardest addiction in the world to kick if it's an addiction is private travel. Okay. And you upgraded recently. Are you going to stick with this one for a little while? You got the helicopters too. So what happened, what happened was we, I bought a Gulfstream 650 ER about four years ago. This is from a Russian guy right before it, right before the Ukraine.

1:49:30Okay. For Ukraine. A war. Okay. And I saw it online. I worked a guy, probably for 15 months, bought the plane, paid 53, 54 million bucks for the plane, sent Ryan over to Switzerland, they had to move it to Switzerland, Ryan went and checked it out. Face time. He's like, yeah, it's good. Showed me everything. Fluid into the United States had to get a paper back in the United States. We did. And then April Fools day, this year, I ran on Twitter, guys, I need to sell my 650. I saw that. You got to insert this. Okay. So long right up, big, long right. Hey guys, I just, you know, I'm always a transparent, very authentic person. I've reached some financial situations in my life where I need to dump the plane in order to take care of these other obligations. I wanted to get ahead of the story so nobody says blah, blah, blah, blah, real long right

1:50:32up right at the end of it, April Fools day. I got three offers on the plane. Okay. Okay. One was for Merck. Merck paid me more than I bought the plane for four years ago. Why? They wanted car dons yet? No, they wanted a plane, dude. They were trying to close a plane this year, you know? Okay. Anyway, they bought mine. I didn't have a plane. So I got rid of it. And you don't want to be, you know, you don't want to have one. You want to have another one. And so I figured out how to buy this global bombardier, 7,500. It's bigger. It's bigger. You like it? It is. It's a little longer. Okay. All right. I got Bitcoin on the tails, on the wings, on the winglets, and a big Bitcoin and cash flow are symbol on the belly of this thing.

1:51:32Okay. And you got the hell out of you. All right. Well, come pick me up. Last question, Grant, 10 years from now, 2035, we're going to talk. What are we going to be talking about? What will you be doing and what will you have done? Yeah. The company will be public, okay? We'll be a $50 billion company 10 years from now, at least $50 billion. I'll be the largest real estate Bitcoin company in the world. I will definitely be an influence on Wall Street, even to the laws made there. We will have new products. We will have new mortgage products out there that are Bitcoin and real estate based. If I could be a lead on that, I mean, Danny May and Freddie Mac will probably have Bitcoin loans. That's a $12 trillion, $12 trillion, but I'm going to be dealing in trillions. I'm going to be getting a piece of a trillion, right?

1:52:33So my kids will be working the company with me. My wife will still be correct in my driving. I'll still be curious at my church, doing courses and learning and hopefully I'm still big in the education business. We will probably will have sold 10x health system by the end. I think that that I end up flipping that company to one of the big health companies. And you and I are looking better, sounding better. We have more experience, more wisdom, and hopefully we're still helping a lot of people. How long are you going to live for, Grant? And we're driving the haters crazy, Dave. We're still driving the haters crazy because they keep waiting for us to fail and we won't. Yeah, it is fun, isn't it? No, I don't know. Did they're saying that there's like a one out of two couple, one of the two people in the house where we're going to live in their hundreds, there's some like 80% chance or something.

1:53:34I don't know how long I live. I don't want to live. If my body's not working, I don't want to live beyond the ability of my body. But who knows, maybe we have a bunch of technology breakthroughs where knees and hips and hands and necks all continue to work well. They say we're getting close to that escape velocity year where you get to the point where then every year after that, they can improve. And you and I are close to that, but if they get there, who knows, you could start be healthier at 100 and functional, I mean, you're stronger and healthier than any other guy your age 50 years ago by far, so am I, we're already there with just the education and some tech, imagine where we'll be 20, 30 years from now. So yeah. Grant Cardone, I think I've known you for eight years. You've been on the show probably eight times and just want to say thanks. Yeah, you're super inspirational and I wish more people knew you the way I knew you, you

1:54:35know? Yeah. But of course they never will. I'm saying, I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry that you have to defend me. I think a lot of people come to me and say, what's up with Grant? Because I guess they see us and see our interviews and they figure, I know you and I do know you. And I'm like, Grant is amazing. I mean, you ever watched that first show with him? He just drops into the worst parts about his life, his biggest failures. And that was our very first show you dropped into that in like minute eight. I was like, damn, this is, this is real shit right here. And you know, you always been like that. You know, I get inspired by your books. When I ran for mayor and I was getting hate left and right. I used the things that you said, you know, criticism is a sign of success. I want more. If I don't know you, I can't do business with you. I was always repeating that stuff in my head. And so, yeah, man, it's been a pleasure. And well, I always enjoy being with you, man. Well, it's good, man. I love seeing your success. I can't wait to see 10X more. And thank you for the 10X push today. I'm thinking about 250 million as we speak.

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