Globalism's grip has gutted genuine grub | Jerm Warfare

0:30So I'm busy eating bulltongue. You guys know what bulltongue is over there in the UK? Well, no, not in the UK. Yeah, there's a bit of it here. There's more and more of it. I mean, it's not going to be the same, but it has been something that's been going on for, and I can think of somebody who started it up in the Isle of Lewis, of all places in the outer Hebrides, at least 25 years ago, and I know there were South African shops in London and whatnot who've been selling it forever. But no, by and large, it's still in terms of sort of a cured meat. It's European variants that people are mostly eating with. Yeah, it's weird though. Bulltongue is obviously a South African thing. The equivalent would be, I suppose, beef jerky, but for some weird reason nobody can match bulltongue. I am biased

1:34obviously because I think bulltongue is better, but most people that I speak to agree. I'm not sure why though. It's not that difficult to make. Yeah, no, no, it really is very, very easy. And yeah, I'm not quite sure why people think. I suppose if you're going to do it yourself, people just regard it as being a bit of a faff, which I suppose today is depending on how you do it, but once you've set it up, it's very straightforward. I'm only telling you that I'm eating Bulltongue because I know that Tim Noakes and the low carb guys will agree and give us the thumbs up. I'm trying to hit 2026 on a good note here, Mike. Okay. I'll look for it then. Yes, absolutely. It's a hyper process though. It's not hyper process. It's just dried. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's all it is. Yeah, well, yeah, I suppose if it's going into a packet,

2:35you can't retell, but that's it, but it would be, no, but I mean, it's fairly easy to make though. No, there's feelings. I mean, you can, you can just cure it yourself and then hang it up in your garage. Well, yeah, I mean, here, you wouldn't really get much effect hanging it in your garage because it's just so cold and damp, but that's the only thing here. You do have to introduce heat, so you'd either have to have a sort of an oven of sorts or the basic, the really basic method, which I used to do years ago is to have a big cardboard box with a light bulb in it. And that does, that's enough, but it's just really otherwise here. It would be all right. You could do it in summer, but, but here, no, there's no way. It would just sit there soggy for months. I remember when I was in Sydney, I was with some Australian friends and they said, well, because you're South African, let us take you somewhere and we ended up going to, it's literally called the South African shop. And I had no idea that some of those products in there are South African. I don't know if it's the same for you. If you know what is a British product and when you go

3:37somewhere else, you go, oh, I didn't know that that was British. Yes, I'm not sure that happens so much now. I mean, I think in the grand sort of spread of international dishes, I think stuff that has been claimed as British has either been rejected by other cultures and cuisines or has been adopted or adapted, perhaps even by accident, like like the advent of Worcestershire sauce. I don't know if you get Worcestershire sauce in there. How do you say it? Worcestershire? Yeah, I mean, when it was first labelled, it was called Worcestershire, but it's just become known colloquially as Worcestershire sauce. But that was a mistake. That was a, say the story goes, that was a Victorian effort at replicating a curry that had been very popular in a household in India and they'd moved back to England.

4:39And the head of the household had asked his native cook in India for the recipe, but I think it really only got the ingredients and had asked his cook in England to make it. And it turned out to be absolutely nothing like it, and rather than being chucked in the bin for some bizarre reason, it was kept in a ladder and the source sort of matured and became what is now known as Worcestershire. So the story goes, I mean, who knows, that something else entirely might have happened. And I'd say that's not how they make it now. It sounds like we're just talking superficially, but there actually is a deeper treasure. And that is, I remember when I was travelling through France and in Paris, I couldn't really find anything that was French. It was just all international. And I only discovered French of anything really, when I went down to the south, passed to Luse and all the way down to the canal, the media there by the bond and all those

5:40all those places, because I didn't want to, I didn't want to have anything that was international. I wanted something that was French, whether it was food or a restaurant or whatever it might have been. And this is one of the major issues with, I don't want to say globalism, but globalisation. I think those are two different words, but it's this idea that everything needs to be everywhere. And it just, there's a sense of sovereignty and uniqueness that gets lost when you, when you just have Burger King everywhere, for example. Yeah, but Burger King is not food. Let's just make that clear. And McDonald's is not food. I'm not sure that I agree with this point because, you know, I think if we're being honest, Britain is not the culinary centre of the world. I mean, there's obviously, there are good chefs in Britain, but I'm talking about in terms of traditional fare. And it would be very limiting to only be, and maybe I'm wrong about this,

6:50but, you know, I don't think I could live without certain products from foreign shores. I certainly, as a matter of principle, of course, would be enthusiastic that no matter what form of food we eat, we source the ingredients where possible locally. That is saying, though. No, not really. I mean, that is linked to what I'm talking about, because then what you're talking about actually is localisation as opposed to globalisation. It's just, well, I mean, no matter what label you put on, it's common sense because it's supporting communities. It's about community at the end of the day. And, you know, we talked about this before, but this is without doubt one of the reasons we're in the pickle we're in is because we have allied ourselves to, you know, because families have, you know, families split up and move elsewhere for jobs, because it's impossible these days for people to sort of live

7:56where they were born, because inevitably there isn't the economy there for people, then they move and that splits up families, splits up communities. And what we need to, we need to relearn that. I think that's absolutely crucial to the future. Charles, sorry, I interrupted you. No, I was only going to contend my ex-point about needing things from further afield, unless you're talking about Northern Ireland, in which case I would defend you. I would know. No, no, no, no. But, no, I mean, I think this actually does speak to a serious point now. We know the United Kingdom has definitely got a terrible reputation for food, but I think that is largely because we have just yielded to corporates and international pressure to turn out mass produced junk in the same form absolutely everywhere and again the point is it's

8:56it's not food it's not that it's different it's just not not actually food so we've moved away from food but in doing so we've completely forgotten what foods we do have here and I mean even meat you know how often do people eat pigeon or rabbit or any fish that isn't cod or haddock I mean that the the variety here is huge yeah of course we don't have stuff particularly in terms of fruit and certain vegetables that you can import but actually you know again this is an interesting one isn't it and I know this is this is potentially going down an enormous rabbit hole but if you go back to what was being done at Chatsworth by Paxton Joseph Paxton in the 18th century and the advent of the Cavendish banana and the something else so so growing conditions and this and this is a this is a very divisive issue because you look at what James Dyson is doing now he's made billions with his hooves and hair dryers and now he's going into agriculture he's the largest land owner in the country agricultural land owner in the 90 kingdom yeah he is yeah and

9:59and you could say that's and I will I will qualify this you could say that's a good thing because to a certain extent he has his head screwed on he talks about reducing chemical inputs he talks about not taking subsidy he talks about a lot of things that do make sense but of course ultimately exactly like with his businesses to date he is driven by the necessity for profit and I'm not saying that's a bad thing but if that if that tips the balance in favor of doing things that are not actually going to align with your chat about reducing chemical inputs and whatnot then you know which way it's going to go but I mean so far he I think a lot of what he is producing is being done in a way that is significantly better than the model for the past nearly hundred years so so I mean he he certainly has made a difference but but sorry I've veered slightly from the point I think I think the point is that there is there's an absolutely

10:59enormous opportunity to to be producing really interesting diverse types of food and actually using what is there I mean nature does provide a huge amount of food that actually you don't really even need to to do anything about and and people have just been conditioned and thinking right okay it's time to go to the supermarket again you know wonder what they've caught for me this week and and that's um again I know there will be a lot of people sitting there will think well it's just not realistic for me I'm in X place I can't do that okay absolutely fair enough but that doesn't mean to say you can't be in touch with somebody that is doing that or you can't have a cooperative or you can't have a syndicate that does go out and do whatever these activities are so so again it's um like with anything there is probably either more that you could do or something that you could do differently and that's I'm not not sort of throwing down the challenge but I'm just saying you know if you're if you are fed up with the with the global corporate influence and the way that's affecting either the offerings that are available to you or the

12:03impacts that it has on the environment or health or any of those things well you know just have a head scratch and and think about all the different things that that are out there and and you don't have to you know and a good starting point actually is to just go back through literature just reading books that were written more than 100 years ago and reading what people at is very interesting because of course they weren't getting stuff shipped in from New Zealand that day um so yeah I think I think we could be we you know we absolutely could have a a renaissance in in the United Kingdom but there are so many um so so many forces driving against that so I'm not going to disagree with any of that Charles uh although you did perhaps you know the implication perhaps was that I was buying stuff from supermarkets but anyway that's that's like they're hearing it there the the issue the issue for me of course is you know things things that would absolutely be considered luxuries I would I'll acknowledge you know parma ham parmesan cheese red wine these kinds of things uh and I realized that there

13:05there is a winery not far away from you but but my question is whether and I'm sure the the product is is pretty good but it's not quite the same as it it's not the same but then again that's um but do you know do we have to be slightly less sniffy about this you you have a taste you have a taste for whatever such a thing is you know we we just have to acknowledge that we're talking about something different I mean that that's the way grapes are you get what you're given and say the wine that's produced it is and it's not a quite I would argue it's not a question of quality I I feel confident certainly the the vineyard that you're referring to that's been well established in uh I think it's just in Worcestershire actually um it has you know it's been doing great wines for years and that that's that is the best possible result that you can create with those grapes so it's just it's a taste thing but I know I mean I totally acknowledge it of course that's absolutely the case um but haven't we been spoiled by this and sort of you know in a way unconsciously

14:06thinking well yeah I suppose you know I prefer this so I should get that I don't know I don't know then then wine wine keeps and um so actually is it is it such a bad thing that wine in particular travels I don't know we so I mean we are trying our best to support local um and there's a farm not too far from us I might have told you this previously but they deliver every week um a basket of fresh vegetables you can't choose they just bring a whole pile of vegetables because it's the way it it grows it's fairly organic and one sure sign of good quality vegetables is that it goes off very quickly uh you don't want it to to to hold um but it does potentially become more expensive unless you get creative with the with what you do with it and another

15:06farm that I discovered just a few days ago is another side of the country which we're going to start supporting uh it's a guy who adds no chemicals injections vaccines anything to his um his his cattle and uh what he did was he imported um the Japanese black wag-wag-wag-you um bulls and he has interbred them with um angus um bulls uh cars and so now he's got this they identify um and so he's and I've tasted his his stakes and they are incredible um absolutely incredible and you can taste when something is more organic and when I say organic I don't mean organic TM now I mean actually organic but it does come again at a bit of a cost but I love what you said that you know at the end of last

16:06your mic you know you you've got to embrace inconvenience and so if something costs a bit more it is more inconvenient but there actually is a long-term benefit this issue of cost is is a really important one um you know we at we have been taught that what we want in life is three holidays a year and uh entertainment going to the pub every weekend all this kind of stuff and we've been taught this is this is something that we actually wanted this is what we've been told that we want and and for some reason we've jumped on the bandwagon um and and so we've been told that we've got to spend the minimum that we can on the the the fundamentals of life and use the surplus as much of the surplus as we can possibly find for entertainment and all these other kinds of things now Charles was talking about what people ate in the past um but we also spent a much greater proportion of our income on on food and uh at the end of the day these are lifestyle choices that we make do we want to maintain a healthy

17:10lifestyle for longer uh and therefore where do we want to put our resources can we find uh forms of entertainment that uh uh perhaps are less propagandizing than going to the cinema or going uh you know or watching the latest uh marginally pornographic DEI inspired play uh or listening to buying CDs full of of sexualized hyper sexualized uh content uh music musical console called musical content right so so you know these are these are the choices that we have to make and uh you know it's it's it's sort of uh I always come back to this point of of people that say what can I do and and these are the kinds of things that we need to be these are the kinds of decisions that we need to be making and I think and uh you know so I I would say to you that uh if you have the opportunity to spend more and get what you're getting then that's that that is a good decision in my opinion. Mm hmm. Totally agree and um if uh if nobody heard it the first 16 times I mentioned it

18:17then um it goes straight to Angus McIntosh's point about nutrient density and um and again it is it is a conditioning exercise it is to do with being told you know three meals a day get your five a day get a very balanced diet a very diet this sort of stuff but of course that what that means is your eating stuff which puts you into that routine and um and it's uh it becomes a psychological hunger it becomes a well semi psychological issue it's also a blood sugar issue largely due to the fact that people are eating a highly processed starch based products which which encourage that feeling but again uh anecdotal uh I don't have the paper to back this up but I'm sure Tim Nokes does you know if you eat a a diet that consists of stuff that costs more per pound in weight but provides a much bigger hit in terms of nutritional content then then you feel

19:19less hungry and and you know there is there absolutely is a psychological element to that in that it takes quite a while to adjust to eating what is by volume less but in my own experience and and certainly plenty of other people that I know who do similar things everybody arrives at the same point which is that you you realize in actual fact that you're going through the motions of eating because it's sort of prescribed by societal norms that that's what you do but in actual fact eating twice a day or even once a day and I know I remember your chat with uh I've come in um um you know he was he was talking about exactly that exactly like John Kirk who I did a interview UK column raw truth he's a raw milk dairy farmer and he he he basically adopted his diet to suit that of his cows in so far as he took all the all grains out of it and then concentrated on just eating one very protein rich meal a day and yes I know that lots of people

20:21are saying well they exist perfectly well on a on a vegetarian diet fine whatever suits but the point is that it's the the higher the quality yes that is a higher price but actually overall my contention is that you're spending less money and that's the important thing and also you're spending less money in the short term you're certainly spending less money in the long term because you will not be fingers crossed uh you know all the circumstances you can't necessarily dictate over but but in large by large you will not be in firm and unfit and unwell in the way that you might be if you if you persist with the cheaper non food stuff and even better you'll be conscious of the fact that you're not giving money to craft yes and to Nestle and the Kellogg's and these types of corporations yeah and of course that therefore with your dime they're not going to be polluting our very environment you know this this and I and I do find it's still well it

21:21will forever rank or you know the way in which the legitimate totally legitimate environmental concerns about destroying the soil that we so vitally need has been subsumed by the climate narrative is it's it's just a disgrace and the these people who are you know claiming to take the sort of moral or ethical high ground and yet do not make that distinction between those two things it is is flagrant dishonesty it's absolutely reprehensible because because it is it is in an effort to manipulate people for gain I've been trying very hard for the last couple of minutes to find a segue into a talking point that I told you I wanted to to mention and I just cannot find the segue. Well I'm sure you're wanting to establish some kind of farm small holding on the moon or something. This is a segue. But yes a couple a couple days ago maybe a week ago I saw the big news NASA sending four astronauts to fly around the moon now I'm not particularly

22:24interested in whether or not that is real or I mean that's a different discussion altogether but I'm wondering why now who benefits what is the reason you know is this a is this a deflection from from big talking points do you think? Well first of all I would say that of course a lot of people are going to take a conspiratorial view of these types of events you know at the end of the day there are how many million people in the United States 330 million or something like that take any country it you've got you've got large populations not everybody is is aligned with any particular agenda and so some people have their own agendas I'm quite happy to consider the possibility that that people within that organization are actually interested in doing what they're saying that they're going to do I'm not going to suggest for one second that there aren't people

23:27in the political world or the media world that that wouldn't take advantage of that or that there isn't infiltration there isn't an effort to to push certain efforts in certain directions these kinds of things of course happen but you know the mid issue with with this type of discussion Jeremy's that we're not there and we are not party to to what's going on so we can only look in from the outside and speculate and and and if we just take a very very small example at the people that are out there at the moment that are looking in at the UK column and making certain decisions about it and saying these things publicly and they're so far off the markets unbelievable then I find it really difficult to sort of look at an organization like NASA or any other organization and and reach a conclusion based on what I see on the internet so so you know it's it's I don't know the answer to it and certainly I'm quite I'm 100% sure that you know for and for a lot

24:30of people it will be a diversion partly because they are so concerned so troubled by current events and and anything that that is offering any kind of you know diversion is going to be grabbed at but also because anything that's going on in the world is going to be grabbed by by people that you know it's the old thing it's a good day to bury bad news whatever that that tactic is used in in many many ways not just I mean that that that phrase came to popular notice following 9-11 but it doesn't have to be events like 9-11 that are good days to bury bad news it can be stuff that is just as you say purely that might grab people's attention and take their their minds in a direction so so I don't think there's an answer to your question it's basically what I'm saying okay well give it a go Charles may have a different view

25:37well first of all when when we have this when we rehash this conversation in years to come there are two segues you could have used one of which is that there are there are folklore I mean and I dare say you know all folklore is rooted somewhere but there is absolutely folklore that that speaks to certain farming practices at a particular moon state so you know particularly do stuff at night and whether that has in fact on what type of weeds will come up or whether weeds will come up at all and and general sort of fertilization things and and that kind of stuff as well as obviously sort of menstrual cycles of livestock so there's that one then there's the my preferred story which is about the rural folk of Wiltshire which is the county to the south of Gloucestershire where I am in the UK and years ago when illicit booty in the form of possibly actually wine I can't remember drink of some sort was being moved around the

26:41around the country without tax and the way that a particular Wiltshire village did this was that it would be it would be hidden undercover of darkness in the village pond in barrels but waited down and then at a safe time the villagers would then go out with their long rakes and go into the into the water to fish the barrels out and and one night they were caught in the act by the excise man who found them in the pond and said well what what the heck are you up to and they thought well I mean we're known to be simple country folk so they'll say well we're trying to rake the moon out of the pond because you can see the moon's reflection in the in the water and they were trying to rake it out of the pond through story and that's that's why people from Wiltshire referred to as moon rakers it's stuck to this day so that's what that's where moon raker comes from and so those are your segues I think on the moon thing specifically I think and I'm

27:43not suggesting that one that I know which one drives the other but in terms of mutual benefit and the synergy between the two to me this is all part of the war and surveillance architecture and if you look at the organizations that are involved with say the the you know the current NASA Artemis project and what else is going on in the defense arena but also specifically and SpaceX is the obvious one the whole idea that these low earth orbit satellites are providing a capability that can be used by twin you know sort of civilian and military organizations intelligence and all the rest of it and so I think as I say whether the plan has been right well let's let's make another go for the moon and infuse people in space and normalize the whole idea of of use being space as a as a domain whether it be for you know the gathering of

28:49sort of scientific evidence or or whatever the point is that there then seems nothing odd about the fact that Elon Musk and you know Lockheed Martin and all the rest of them are being seen to be driving what is all part of the same effort and part of that as well as sort of this idea of exploration is or you know we are we are also keeping you safe and and I mean I've I've reported on space stuff quite a bit for UK column over the last couple of years not not very recently but I'm over due actually because there is a lot more going on but and I would contextualize this I mentioned it I think in news extra a couple of weeks ago over just before Christmas I but totally by chance ended up having a face to face conversation with a with a highly ranking officer in the NATO command structure and you know I didn't exactly put my cards on the table in terms of why I was

29:50necessarily interested in asking but then again he wasn't holding back there was absolutely nothing confident about the conversation and first of all he was absolutely certain that there will be war with Russia and secondly in terms of how that was going to come about he was very explicit in talking about the effective reliance upon corporations in a way that has never been done before you know previously somebody makes you a rifle you buy it you take ownership of it that's the end of it the the the manufacturer retains no control we've we've absolutely moved a lot further on from that and the the control exercised over any equipment particularly stuff that flies up into a space or whatever people want to call it you know that we're entering into a into a very very different thing and so he was he was he was very simple in saying that that space and cyber all

30:51sort of part of the same thing were in effect going to form the larger part of the battlefield and and I see that as being I see the the the space slash moon issue as being part of that and in a way as far as the optics go and the and getting people excited about something that then sort of leads into a cold war I mean it it is going back to the late 50s and 60s in a way I mean not not absolutely the same but but I think there are great similarities I mean what you're saying echo is what Catherine Austin Fitz has spoken about she's been talking about the the battle for space for for years now and I mean I think that the you can have the respective space command sort of things and I was you know if we think that Trump's going to stop a Greenland then we got you know yeah did well did you know I said if you think Trump is going to stop a Greenland then you know

32:00we're we're a bit naive but I mean I think the the point that you're making Charles is very well made I mean the the fact that they are quote unquote flying around the moon that's all the great positive uplifting rainbows and unicorns wow look at what we're doing mean meanwhile yeah the the the the the cyber space control grid is being advanced yes yeah look I suppose part of the point of what I was part of the point I was trying to make badly perhaps was was that that within these organizing even within space actually and you know we have been making the point to space x is effectively a defense company for a long time but within space x the the people that are actually working there it's it's the same in the financial system as well the people that are working within these institutions think you know they're enthused by what they're doing they're positive about what they're doing they don't think about it in these terms

33:01there are other people absolutely with with our question think about these things in these terms and certainly them as I say the media will present stuff in a certain way while other stuff is going on in the background and I'm actually I absolutely agree with with Charles take on on that the the fight for low earth orbit I think we are going to come back to this issue of of weaponry and space and we're going to see huge amounts of defense so-called defense budget going into this type of operation and yeah I think Charles pointed that Artemis and this type of thing will be used to to enthuse people in that direction I think is a real danger yeah I think it would be very interesting to see which way it does play out because in actual fact one of the reports I gave

34:02on Wednesday's news program this week was about the you know the the the conscription narrative conscription war narrative and a couple of stories from the ministerial defense about new programs to either provide space for a particular regiment for the one the one I'm thinking of is the cyber there's there's going to be a new I think it was called cyber and electromagnetic command a 240 odd strong regiment and and again talking about people you know a university degree in operating drones within a military setting but you see people have to have some sort of a dream about that you're not you're not I don't think you're going to be considering you know whether you'd be a carpenter or an artist or you know butcher and then you think I'll tell you what I was a drone a military drone operator and so I think it does have to be a sort of Hollywoodization of all of this and that you know the the top gun effect so sticking sticking

35:08people in a in a rocket and saying you know come on let's get involved in space I know it sounds silly but but I think it's I think it has a monumental effect and and I think this again will be will be played upon massively it's magic sorry yeah yeah we can exclude the the gaming industry from this by the way because because that that without question in my mind has been about indoctrinating people into this remote this remote warfare agenda and you know if we look at space access and and Starlink in particular that that of course whistle to people as as you know this great way for fast internet access from remote areas that has already been deployed in Ukraine in on a battlefield Charles I'll be interested in your thoughts on on where this this north orbit satellite these north orbit satellite nets go because obviously the UK

36:11government bought into one web at the point that it was going bankrupt for specifically the same type of capability to to throw a load of lower orbit satellites is this about building the the communications network for a global drone your remote drone control system I think that would be that would be one application I have to say on the technical side of it I'm I'm not I'm not very clued up as to what could happen but I think I can't see any reason why there would be a limit and I think the the the sort of the object of specific concern which I keep banging on about is this element of all this this canundra really you know who is in control if um AI well yeah exactly will you see even GROC the US the DOD has has um engaged GROC AI to do quite what

37:15I don't know but I mean that's that's the direction where we're going in but really what I was going to say was that these are these are funded you know these projects are funded by at government or or specifically military the military departments of governments but they may have some control over them but actually by no means all and so the the the data collection and dissemination is you know can go potentially anywhere and so I I don't I mean yes I think the I think drones and and whatever's coming next because the the the rate of change in this area I think is absolutely phenomenal and I I sort of you know in a way feel like we don't we don't really know the half of it we might we might criticize the um the armed forces of the NATO countries for being completely behind the curve of their own making in saying that

38:22they're going to defeat Russia without any of the things that they might need to do it but but an act of that behind scenes again going back to what's being developed by the so-called defense industry I think there's I think there's going to be a lot of stuff that's going to come out in a short space of time that would be pretty alarming and um well as if it isn't already but but I you know and I'm sure that that will that will absolutely be tied into the um to the low earth orbit uh okay ability I can't I can't see how it wouldn't be Catherine argues that a lot of that falls under what she calls a black budget which which which forms part of the missing trillions that she um always talks about yeah I mean maybe I I mean that could be the case I think uh I think a lot of it's quite overt um but uh but yeah so I mean I just say that that that could that could well explain

39:26uh it's sort of certain amounts of missing money um and even if you know it's not missing it's sort of been made up yes created from nowhere so in a way uh same same different um but yes I mean the the sheer cost of of these projects and the fact that yet again it is I mean you know that Elon Musk is such an obvious example but it is just perfectly extraordinary that um and his pockets can be lying to such a to quite such an extent I don't think he knows um but there's a tug of war happening between uh Starlink and South Africa so Starlink Starlink is is not available in South Africa at all but it's available in all our neighboring um countries yeah and the reason for that is because Elon Musk wants his rules applied if Starlink opens in South Africa and the South African government says no no you follow our rules and so basically this this this is it's a standoff

40:26and it's very interesting to see um how that's going to play out um it might be a good thing that that that that our government is is um is trying to you know um not play on Elon's turf yeah I think it's a really interesting one I mean I don't know how it's progressed because he was trying to use Tesla as a lever with a with a yeah we don't know we don't have Tesla either yeah exactly but that's what he was trying to do he was trying to force his way in on the on the the black white company ownership thing he was trying to bend the rules by saying right well I'll invest you know X into a um sorry not X because everything's X within but why into um yeah exactly into a Tesla battery capability and I think he was you know he was just showing the door but for how much longer I don't know but it would be very interesting to see my mic sorry I didn't I cut in yeah I was I was just wondering because I don't know enough about this particular story you know why on what basis are they pushing back are they pushing back against the

41:30missing because he's not paying them enough money or what's what's the reason well the initially it was because he was the wrong color that's the yeah so that's the answer the reason or is that is that the the the public well I mean that was certainly on the on the legal front that was um that was how it was reported as um no but it's obviously not true it's obviously not true no I mean because if if that were the case yeah so many other companies wouldn't have opened you yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so yes I mean there will be there will absolutely be more to it I I don't know I mean looking at where else um Starlink isn't is it is it possible that it's been that the whole thing's been completely misreported and that it's not that South Africa um won't have it it's that mask won't put it there because he disapproves of South Africa's

42:31position on I would have said most significantly Israel on Israel I don't know it's interesting with the South African if that was the case with the South African government not say that I mean I don't know if there if there's a generally an adversarial situation going on there and that was the reason then perhaps they would yeah well anyway yeah yeah it's massive speculation but I would say I would say the South African government comes out of it much better if they if it looks like they've stood up to mask and told him to push off rather than him saying that um he's not going to do it because he doesn't like them on the other hand on the other hand we know that that China is creating its own um Starlink equivalent and I suspect that that will open here quite quickly okay yeah well they they get that that absolutely will be very interesting then what's that called you know I've got no idea okay look I have to say I think people should be absolutely opposing this and ever I don't care what country it is it's doing this we should be opposing this

43:35in every way I mean what are we doing we're shoving you know uh cornflakes box size bits of electronics in their thousands tens of thousands into lower authority but what are we doing why are we doing it this is purely as as we just this is purely at the end of the day for war capability why are we not pushing back against this as hard as we possibly can we should I mean it was used against the Iranian people recently I don't know if you read one of I mean okay yeah absolutely absolutely yeah we've we've reported that on the news program absolutely and and that's why the Iranian government shut down Starlink temporarily but but the media reports are differently of course they do because the media is is for regime change in that country but but yes Starlink was absolutely being used to organize the the full opposition they're absolutely 100% and uh yeah it is so the United States doing it UK doing it China doing it other countries doing it

44:39shoving these things up into lower authority um is this what we want I don't think so and we should we should be recognizing what's actually going on you know and some people are saying oh but it's great because I can get my internet connection in that great though well why do you want this you know we got to we got to really be asking ourselves these questions yeah and who benefits well it's not us because because they'll throw us a bone off of great internet connection while they're using the same technology to control us with their technocratic surveillance state so you know what is it you want it is it is a strange concept though I mean if you've supposedly got these styling satellites all over the place you know it would seem easy enough to connect to it no matter where you are but there's some I don't know how the technology works I just I just don't

45:41I just don't understand how you can't connect to it then from a certain country I'm not I'm not interested in using styling but I'm just wondering how the technology works I don't know if you know any anything about that how they can create a geofence because there has to be there has to be a signal that that is transmitted from one point to another point and they can they can shape that they can shape that signal quite accurately because I mean you're not connecting you're not connecting to one satellite you say you've got to remember you're connecting to lots of satellites and that's at the same time and so it can triangulate your position therefore yeah I mean I mean I can see them go across the sky at night so you know they you'll you'll see like a line of 10 or 15 of them you know in a line whatever but it's just it's just strange to me that you can't connect to them I just don't know how it works yeah well like so many other things and I might take a different view but I'm just constantly amazed

46:47that I have so many things that are heralded as being so incredibly clever just didn't really work I mean yeah still I dare say in South Africa it might be better because it's a sort of younger the the the way that communications have been established has been in a I don't know what am I trying to say the the legacy networks in the United Kingdom when when mobile telephony was set up I think is very much different from what's happening now but but still I find I find mobile comms now a joke I mean they they they are a joke and they're the pity of course is that the landline infrastructure which worked very well is is being dismantled at a at a great rate and a lot of in a lot of places you're you know it's either not possible to have a proper landline because everything is is internet based which means you're you're vulnerable to all the same problems

47:49I I perhaps naively I am so surprised I'm so surprised that this has been allowed to happen because I think that what we are offered which is so perennially vulnerable to shocks of any kind it's just it's such a poor offering but the I mean that's I know I know I'm skeptical and and a sort of willful luddite and I absolutely do want to wind the clock back in a good way no no no you're no charge your bang on your bang on you look at look the the internet when it was originally conceived was intended to be an unbreakable network communications network it was intended utterly resilient with multiple paths from one place to another and what they have done for commercial reasons mainly is is turn it into something which is fragile as hell you know cloud flare ghost on the whole internet ghost on amazon ghost on the whole internet ghost on

48:53on top of that we've got cyber attack after cyber attack with people's personal information being stolen I was I was listening to I had the misfortune of having to be in the car last night for one reason or other and the radio was on and but nonetheless I was listening to something where they were talking about I can't remember which country was New Zealand or somewhere where where a bunch of people in the country had signed up to some kind of online therapy session thing right this this is really addictive of where we're going we're taking what used to be an analog conversation between one human being and another human being in the same room where okay they might have recorded the conversation but in some form but you're you're every every syllable that you utter was not in a form that could be stolen and they've moved into the digital realm where you're giving your innermost thoughts and innermost secrets to some therapist on the other

49:56end of a digital call and that's being recorded as as part of that digital call and then the hackers come along and they take your entire medical history your social security number all the rest and they then send you an email saying give us X amount of money and Bitcoin within 48 hours or your this this your every recording that you've made with your therapist is going to go online I mean how is this how is this a step forward in our in our culture in our society how is this a step forward this a step backwards yeah and and you know the human to human contact which where you could have a conversation with someone you passed that information to that person that was in their minds now I but it was nowhere else and no one no one could could use it as a form of blackmail later and suddenly we're in the we're setting ourselves up you know with with this this moved towards digital idea and and and our entire lives our entire identities becoming digital therefore the picking and there's not a single corporation or government or organization

51:01that can protect anybody from having that information stolen and being used against us this is this is a bad direction we're heading in and we absolutely need to be going somewhere else so I'm going to say to your Charles we need to bring back analog telephone lines and and we need to bring back human to human contact and we need to shove all this digital rubbish in the bin where it should be yeah I mean and I think what I'm what I'm amazed by and I've just been talking about James Dyson who's got a bit more money than I have and he you know he could be doing any number of these things and the reason I cite him is because he's you know he's obviously taken a relatively awakened view on farming which he's clearly decided is a very important thing to him and these sorts of things must be obvious to him for example they you know they should be obvious to anybody I mean you you cannot fail to it doesn't matter what your world view is nobody can say that data is secure it's just you know can't can't be said it's it's an objective truth

52:06um but why hasn't anybody yet or at least has anybody yet tried to set something up that is analog and simple and I mean I know sorry obviously this has all been done but I mean it's either to to take out gigs here the other example of course in the United Kingdom is the post office which is being driven into the ground and that is a that is a disaster I think we mentioned that last week sort of jokingly you know haha it'll keep going because they have to deliver pharmaceutical products via the post office hold on a second a bit you're talking about raw meal not not the post office yeah okay sorry I'm talking about raw meal but but but anyway the systems are there is anybody going to try to salvage what's there and and go back to a point where it actually worked or is you know is is there going to be a movement where somebody just snaps who's got billions and says right this is just hopeless we need you know we do need a proper

53:08robust analog communications I mean I don't know is this unrealistic yeah so I mean I've started doing more solutions orientated shows around tech I don't know if you saw a few weeks ago I had Hakeem Anwar on and I'm going to get him on more regularly because he offers sort of non-li-diad solutions in the digital sphere so he sent me a laptop all right but why this laptop is different is that it's it's run on Linux now the average person doesn't know what Linux is but it really is a solution to getting into a privacy orientated space so in other words you can still work and do all your stuff but you are a lot more sovereign a lot more secure digitally it even has it even has now you get you don't don't need joke but it has localized AI on it but why that is different is that it's localized so it doesn't connect to the internet it

54:15doesn't connect to a central database it's run purely off the machine so you can you can access you know libraries without worrying about spyware and people invading your privacy so they are ways to adapt very successfully Charles I'm sorry I'm I'm going to have to push back on that just a little bit right now I've been using I've been a Linux advocate since 1995 I've used it all the way through since 1995 to know and I think you've got to be very very careful in what you say about sovereignty and privacy and so on because if if you're using your computer and it's sitting in front of you and you're not connecting to anything then that's one thing you can do a lot to mitigate the dangers of connecting to the internet using Linux

55:17that is absolutely true but it's dangerous to think that just because I've got a Linux computer on a desk and I've done a couple of things that I'm nice if this is not the case and because at the end of the day it's not your personal computer that's the issue here the personal computer is not where the problem lies the problem lies with the fact that in order to interact with YouTube or in order to interact with the government or in order to interact with Amazon you have to do certain things and using Linux is not going to stop you from having to do those certain things so it you can reduce your footprint you can make it much harder for you to be tracked you can make it almost impossible for you to be tracked perhaps but at the end of the day as soon as you engage with a website that has an ad network on it if soon as you engage with an organization that requires

56:18you to verify your identity as I discovered when I was preparing for Wednesday's use program and I wanted to look at it at a tweet from the Iranian foreign minister and X is now telling me I've got to verify my age as soon as you do that you're having to give something to that corporation so so you know Linux is a step I'm not saying that what your guest was saying was was wrong it is a step but but the bottom line here is that if you really want to protect yourself you've got to be willing to do with it you've got to be willing to to as I said embrace inconvenience can't use YouTube because YouTube wants me to verify my my identity or my age or X or any of these platforms can't engage with the government digitally because I'm not going to sign up to one login and therefore I've got to sit for four hours or six hours or eight hours on the telephone while nobody answers right these are these are the kinds of decisions that we have to make so so yes you can do a

57:21lot uh to to to reduce the danger but you can't eliminate it and and I think it's really important that people understand that as soon as you are connecting to somebody else you are inevitably going to have to give give away something and that's where the danger lies um I'll add though that this Linux machine of mine is 100% secure why because the battery's flat and it came with an American plug it came with an American plug so I can't judge it so I've had to there's a joke in your somewhere but I had to order an American to South African adapter from China yeah yeah yeah yeah for Lynn. Yeah I say I say else pictures go I've heard better So that machine of secure I can tell you that but I mean my key point is well made I mean nothing

58:24is absolutely secure but I don't think this any harm which you've pointed out in you know building walls, and certainly making things more difficult. I mean, creating more gridlock is a good idea also. 100%. The only point I'm really making here is don't think, don't give yourself a false sense of security. Security is something which is at every level and it's also something that even people that have been in technology for decades don't necessarily understand it's a very specialized field and the average one of us isn't going to get ourselves in a position where we're actually secure in this world. I think what we've got to be doing is fighting for a world where we don't have to have these kinds of concerns. Yeah. I think that's a pretty good note on which to come to a close. Coming for landing, there's this Segway taking us all the way

59:29back to the beginning of the conversation. I'll catch up with you guys next week. Thanks John. Thanks. Alright. Alright. Cool. Cheers. Bye.