Galloping Getaways: Riding White Stallion Ranch: Beyond the Reputation - Horses in the Morning

0:00You are listening to the Horse Radio Network, part of the Equine Network family. You are listening to the number one horse podcast in the world. Here's your entertaining look at the horse world and the people in it. I'm Megan Brady and you're listening to Gallup and Getaways for Thursday, February 26th. As always, you'll find us here on horses in the morning every fourth Thursday talking about all things equestrian travel right away with us on this special monthly equestrian travel episode brought to you by the equestrian travel association. Welcome to Gallup and Getaways, the podcast that explores the soul of equestrian travel,

1:03where meaningful adventure, cultural connection and uncompromising horse welfare come together. I'm your host Megan Brady, equine wellness practitioner, mentor and founder of the Equestrian Travel Association. Each episode we explore what equestrian travel looks like when it's built with intention through the people, places and professional standards that shape the industry behind the scenes. Today we're stepping inside white stallion ranch in Tucson, Arizona, an iconic destination and a founding member of the Equestrian Travel Association. It's a place many writers have heard of and one that has helped shape the standards and values we believe equestrian travel should reflect. But beyond its reputation, what is it actually like to experience at first hand? In this episode, we're hearing directly from guests who have been there, exploring the rhythm of the daily life on the ranch, the writing experience, what surprised them the most and what stayed with them long after they left.

2:04And we'll ask the question at the heart of every conversation we're having this year, which truly sets an equestrian travel experience apart in the way that genuinely matters. So settle in, take a breath and join us as we step into white stallion ranch through the voices of those who've lived it. Today, I'm joined by three guests who have experienced white stallion ranch first hand, Sarah, Mandy and Kim. They've spent time on the ground in the saddle and immersed in the rhythm of a ranch life. They are here to share what that experience was really like beyond the reputation, beyond the photos and beyond the expectations that come with the destination so many writers have heard about. Together, we're explore, what stood out to them, what surprised them, what the writing actually felt like and what stayed with them after they returned home. Sarah, Mandy, Kim, welcome to Gallup and Getaways. I'm so glad you're here. So I'm so happy to have Sarah, Mandy, and Kim on Gallup and Getaways today talking

3:05about white stallion ranch. Thank you, ladies, for having coming on our show. So I wanted to know what made you choose white stallion ranch for your trip. I'll answer this, I'm Kim. I chose white stallion ranch for our girls trip. We were five ladies because we are all advanced or at least intermediate writers. And we did not want to go to a dude ranch that was a nose to tail walking trail ride type of ranch. So we wanted something that catered to all levels of writing. And we also wanted something where we didn't have to stay in different areas of the ranch where we could all stay together in one location. And white stallion ranch did have like a hacienda that was at its own house where we could all stay together. Awesome. Yeah, I was there like 15 years ago and they're part of the Equestrian Travel Association. So it's a lovely experience. So I'm glad that you guys got to pick that one. So have you guys done any writing vacation before or was this your first?

4:06My first. My first as well. I'm as well. All right. What was your impression since this is your first one that you've ever done? I would go back. I think it was not geographically my favorite. I guess you're the landscape wasn't my favorite, but it was an amazing ranch. Awesome. Yeah. And remind me, what time of year did you go? Through the end of September, they called it their shoulder season. Okay. Which made it, which made it affordable. I thought it was very affordable for what we got. And we were expected to not have as hot weather, but you can't control the weather. It was very hot while we were there. Yeah. Yeah. So what was your first impression like when you pulled into the ranch? It was still light. I think it felt a little bit like the middle of nowhere, which was pretty cool. You know, the long drive and the anticipation of like, what's it going to look like?

5:07You know, I thought, yeah, I thought it looked like sprawling and nice. I also agree with Sarah. It's not my, you definitely have to like red, you know, the topography of the cactus and the red and all of that. But I think, you know, it was, it was not built up. It was very like fit into the landscape, the color scheme. So it seemed very like non-intrusive. It definitely felt like it was a ranch out in the middle of nowhere. You didn't feel like you were a ranch right next to a town. You know, there was, you were surrounded by the mountains and the flora and fauna. If you like that desert, arid, arid, which I do, I thought it was beautiful. And the facilities, I thought were really nice that first day when we walked around girls, do you remember? Like we saw the pool with the horse in it. Yeah, it's got like a tiled, rearing stallion in the bottom of the pool. Oh, cool. Cool. It's neat. Yeah. And the grounds were beautiful. For the desert, they were beautifully unscathed.

6:09Everything was really kind of opening with the really pretty walking paths. And they give you an incredible tour when you first got there. So we knew how to get everywhere and where everything was and what areas had what. Mm-hmm. Awesome. And we're the, how are your hosts? Like you're the people that like were, you know, your trail guides and your, you know, the people, just the staff, how, you know, what was that like? Were they friendly? Were they welcoming? Amazing. Cool. Amazing. So knowledgeable. And the way they, they pick your horse for you, which I thought was really neat. And they were, I think, pretty spot on for all of us. Yeah. So when you, before you got there, you filled out like a riding like questionnaire. And so that's where they kind of teamed you up with your, you know, the, your partner for the week. Mm-hmm.

7:09And then did you have the same horse, your whole trip there? I had, of course, the first day. I can't remember why I didn't have my horse the first day to see through a shoe. Okay. And then they had to wait for the fairier to come, I think. That's right. And then they said, if you like this horse the first day, you can keep it. But we really think this other horse would be really well suited to you. Mm-hmm. And they were right after the first ride. I was like, I think I'm going to try out this other horse. Yeah. Even that shoe as a mare. My thing. Yeah. So yeah, tell me about your first ride there. Like, what did you do? Did you go on a trail ride? Were you in the arena? Was this an evaluation ride? Yeah. This is something I think that they could have done differently. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Our first ride was a mandatory walking ride, which in my opinion, at the level that we were at and what we put on the form was in my opinion, a little bit of a waste of time. After that ride, then they brought us into the arena to do a test to make sure that

8:14we were able to stop our horse and get our horse to counter to go on the fast rides. Okay. So it was almost like that first ride. We were only there for a few days. So that was like our afternoon ride or a morning ride. I can't remember what we did, but it was one of the days of the riding where half the day was now gone because we did a walking ride. I mean, the scenery is nice, but you literally just walked for an hour around the ranch and it wasn't quite what we wanted to do. So in my opinion, if they did the test, make it be the first thing you do and then take you out. Yeah. That would be better. Okay. Test out. I think Sarah and Sarah figured out like if you could sign up for like a private lesson. And if you have a private lesson first, you can test out and then go to the fast ride. So like that might be, you know, a way to sort of circumvent the system where you then don't have a half a day or a day wasted walking. If you're an advanced rider and you don't want to do that. Yeah.

9:14And you'll get tested out and learn like get to know your horse also because it's a little disconcerter. It's concerning even being a rider to get on a brand new horse and then just go galloping like charging along like uneven terrain, you know, the lesson. If I think if we would were to go back, maybe that would be a way to like do it. Yeah. But for people listening to our audience listening, if they were to go there, you would suggest maybe taking a less a riding lesson first, especially if they're advanced riders because they know that the the ranch does cater to all riding levels. And I just know from my own experience, going on different vacations and different riding things that sometimes people aren't 1000% honest on those. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely have to take it to the lowest level. Yeah. Yeah. But I agree that, you know, that the riding evaluation should take first before you go out.

10:21Yeah. I think the private lesson. I don't remember you telling me that, Mandy, but the private lesson I think is a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great idea. But not everybody wants to spend the money to do that right off the bat. That's true. That's true. That's true. Yeah. I think Sarah, if I'm not, you would do it that way too. And I think I probably would too. Yeah. 100% I would. I think it would also be an opportunity, especially for someone who doesn't love to trail ride, would be an opportunity to be in the arena and get to know the course that you're riding before you're kind of out in the wild west, if you will. Yeah. Even though they're not going to go anywhere literally. They're not going to go anywhere. And especially for people who ride English to be in a western saddle. I don't think I've sat in western saddle since probably high school. Yeah. Which was definitely a challenge for me. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big, you know, as your size riders and then moving into a western saddle and just that whole tack changes is a huge adjustment.

11:23So what were the horses like like temperament wise, responsive. Like the personalities. Can you describe a little bit like what their personalities were even even your own horse or just like the general feel of them. Can you go first because you're obsessed with your. I was obsessed with Dolly. Dolly was adorable. She's a halfling her breed. So she's a stocky little chestnut with a like light colored mane and tail and she's a brood mayor and two of her. Offspring two of her sons are also being used at the ranch as trail ride horses. She was so sweet and so adorable and she just took really good care of me. I mean, when it's time to go, she's going with the rest of them. She would like put her head down and go. I think if I had to stop her, I could, but why would you want to? You're in a big long line of eight or 10 horses galloping through the wild west and it's so much fun. But, you know, it wasn't like she had more than two speeds. It was like she was walking or she was going. Okay. It wasn't like I could really slow down the go.

12:24I didn't have that much response. But when we were in the arena and we did the cattle pending and stuff, I definitely had control over her speed in that situation. So I loved her. Awesome. Mandy. I actually didn't. I think I, my original horse that I had, I did not jive with. So I did request a switch after the first day. And they gave me Lucy, who was a male apple loose. Named, you know, Lucy. And he had had prostate cancer. And twice, I think, and then he had had surgery and everything. Oh, my God. And which just made me feel like really good about the owners that they're like willing to do that. He was totally fit and happy and loved his job. And he also took amazing care of me. Like we did the obstacle course. We did the penning. Like he was great and had personality. So. Awesome. And I love that knowing that they take such good care of.

13:27Yeah. Is there like that that makes it's a feel, it's a feel good. Yes. Yeah. And they, and they obviously also have the following program because they have. Dolly had her two sons there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have like an area where the youngsters grow up. I don't know. I think that was the field out by our host Yanda. Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah. Was there a moment during your trip that like on horseback that really just stands out and like that you were just like oh my gosh. This is why we came here. Whether that's a trail ride or like you are you said you did cattle. Yeah, the penning. Yeah, the penning was just I would go back and do that every day if I could. It was like the most fun. I actually said it was the most fun I've had with my clothes on in a really long time. It was so much fun. I love that. It was so much fun.

14:28Yeah. Awesome. And not every place gives you the opportunity to do something like that. No, that's special. Yeah. So I don't know that I would go any place that didn't offer that. That was fun for sure. Yeah. I would agree with that. We had so much fun and it's a team thing and it's supposed to be four on a team. But because we were five girls, they made an exception and allowed the five of us to do it together, which really made it fun. Because we were yelling and screaming each other and hooting and hollering and galloping down the arena to get the cows and it was it was really, really fun to do it. So that all of us were included in our own in our same team. Yeah. And we really did well. We improved. Yeah. So did you guys do that every day? Yeah. Twice stored their stay. Okay. Two afternoons. Yeah. There was two afternoons. So then what was like the rhythm of your day? Like you'd wake up. You'd ride. You did. You know, did you ride twice a day? Once a day? That's there. We would decide. Kind of the night before.

15:28Excuse me. What we wanted to do the next day. And then Kim and Mandy would wake up at seven a.m. And sign us up for everything. Okay. Okay. So you said then. Yes. Okay. Our rhythm was basically we would get up and do a morning ride after breakfast, because God forbid, I miss a meal there. It was amazing. And then you guys would kind of go and do another activity. And I would work for a couple of hours. And then we would do an afternoon ride. And then really it was. After the afternoon ride, it was like, I felt a little rush. It was shower and appetizers and then dinner. And then it was done. Like, yeah. The day was over. And so what are the activities? Did you guys do? It was there. I know there's a there's a pool there. And I. But you know, they offer like hiking and things like that. Did you. What are there? What are the activities that they offer? So I know Kim and I did archery. We did the archery. We did shooting.

16:28Shooting was fun. Oh, handgun. Handgun at a rifle. Uh-huh. That's right. Is he a true friend of mine? And I think Kim could probably speak to exactly like what handgun and what rifle. I cannot speak to that the pool. Like we went to the pool one day. We use the spot. Oh, yeah, we had massages. Oh, nice. Oh and then we did. I did a. And what is it called, groundwork lesson? That was kind of separate with my horse, Dolly, because I was so over the moon and love with her. And I thought it would be really fun as a connection thing. It took us to the obstacle park. I can't remember his name, but he was wonderful. And we were in the round pen and we did the whole, like, join up thing, like the Monty Roberts join up thing. And it was just so cool. And it was really neat to just put my hands on her and watch her body and watch her respond mentally and physically to the things I was, he was teaching me how to do. And that was really, really neat. So that was kind of an add-on thing that I think I did one afternoon. Oh, that's awesome. And we did crafts one day. Oh, yeah, we did crafts.

17:28Yeah. Oh, cool. So you guys did a lot of stuff. Yeah, we were there for all of it. Oh, I love that. I love it. We went to the gym every day. I did not. Oh, I went to the gym every day. So they have a gym there. They have a pool. They have a spa. They have all these other activities. So like, no one's ever going to be bored there. No, they don't ride. I would say, though, just the caveat for the spa for people who like really want a true spa. This was not a truth. Like, it was a two rooms on the side of the gym that you could get like a massage or something like that. But it wasn't like, you didn't have like the full spa experience. Right. Gotcha. Yeah. And so tell me about your rooms. Like the comfort style, the vibe, the atmosphere. Like, were they comfortable? Loved them. I loved our house. We were in a house. So it's the only house on the property.

18:30And it had four rooms. Four? OK. Yeah, four. A kitchen like a lemon. It was very comfortable, well, well enough supplied. I mean, we stopped and got groceries on our way in. So we would have like some basic stuff in there. But it was in housekeeping came every day if we wanted them to. But we never, we wanted to see one of the regular rooms and we just never got a chance to see it. But the hacienda was beautiful. It was kind of set away on its own. But we had a whole backyard to ourselves with a fire pit and a bunch of lounge chairs and stuff back there. Oh, no. Yeah, so it was very private. It was kind of set away. So we had a little longer walk. But I mean, it's not a long walk. We're all fit. It was fine. But the thing that I would say about the hacienda is, I believe it online. It says that it's good for like 12 people. So for instance, Mandy and I shared a bedroom.

19:31We shared the master. It was a king size bed. But then there was like a little trundle bed next to it. OK. Are they expecting three people in that room to fill the house? I don't know. So yeah. So Sarah was in a room with two single beds. And then there were two other king rooms as well, one where each one of our girls stayed. So you could technically double up in all three, all four of the rooms. But that's eight people, not 12. And then there were these trundle beds sort of kind of couch sort of trundle beds placed everywhere. So yeah. And in my room, there was what I almost would think of like a walking closet. And there were bunk beds. One was a queen. One was a twin. Oh, that's right. There was no light in there. There was no fan. There was no anything. And you were first out there and thought, oh, I would sleep in the queen bed. No way you could sleep in there without a fan on. At least at that time of year. Yeah. Yeah. And so slept in the twin bed area. Okay. But they all had those amazing, I can't remember the branch,

20:35but those amazing like Southwestern wool blankets. Okay. It was beautifully decorated, yeah. So would you say it was more like your traditional ranch stay over like luxury resort? I mean, our bathroom had like three shower heads and like, our bathroom was on the display point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't, do we have robes? We had robes and slippers, didn't we, Mandy? Yes. Yeah, we had robes and slippers. So it was definitely, it definitely wasn't like a log cabin ranch stay. It was higher than that. Yeah, yeah. But it's not the rich Carlton. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. So like, you were there for how many days for? Five. Five. Five. Okay. And so when you first got there from the time that you left, like, how did you feel by the end of the trip? Were you like exhausted from being so busy or were you just rejuvenated? Did you feel relaxed?

21:37I said immediately, I wished we were there longer. Okay. Because it took a couple days, at least for someone like me. It takes me a couple days to unwind. Yeah. And I think it took us a couple days to kind of find a rhythm. And find the rides that we liked. Gotcha. And we might want to do again to almost felt like we had just kind of gotten into a flow. And then we had to leave. Yeah. Yeah. I can do that. Go ahead. Yeah. And we were very busy. And so I feel like we wanted to get everything in while we were there. And if we had a longer stay, then we could spend a whole afternoon by the pool and not feel like we're missing archery. We're missing shooting. We're missing parts and crafts, whatever, you know? Because I know like for myself when I've been on those things, I do want to like do everything. And then I get, you know, I'm leaving. And I'm like, oh, I'm tired. Yes. Like, and you know, it's nice to have a little bit of more flow that you can just be like, hey, I'm not going to feel guilty for sitting by the pool or taking this afternoon

22:39to read a book on my YouTube. Because I want to, yeah, yeah. I think there was very little book reading, yeah. So you would suggest to somebody that was interested in going there maybe a week long stay. They don't ride on Sundays. The horses are off on Sundays. And originally we were going to stay through and leave on Monday. But we were like, why waste that day if we can't ride anyway? So if I was someone booking it again, I would go Monday and then leave Sunday. Okay. And I think we went on a Tuesday. I would go back. I loved it. I thought it was great. We all talked about it. We would like to do something in like Montana or something like that as well. But I would go back to white standing. Yeah. The food was good too. Yeah, I was going to ask you about the food. Was it how, like, was it three square meals a day? That's nice. Yeah. And then during happy hour, they had snacks. Well, appetizers. Oh, nice. And was it more like family style? Like did everybody who was at the ranch like all eat together

23:40or you couldn't kind of come and go, is you please? It was like a time block for dinner from like six to eight. And so we went with our group. We would just, so what time do you guys want to have dinner? And then we'd go. But it wasn't an assigned dinner time. It was always buffet breakfast lunch and dinner were buffet, which I could take or leave, I guess, but the food was really good. Great. And like Sarah said, the appetizers in the bar, they weren't like pigs and blankets. They were shrimp cocktail and they weren't like lamb skewers. Like they were nice appetizers. It was almost as nice as the dinner, you know? I thought they were great, but they had fish options. They had gluten-free options. Mandy's got some gluten-free stuff. So that was my next big much stuff. Yeah, yeah. That was my next question. Were they really, were they accommodating in terms of like food options for people because, you know, we live in a time that, you know, a lot of people have food sensitivities. Yeah. They labeled, they have like little chalkboards in front of everything. And if they didn't and I asked somebody, they would either know the answer,

24:41whether it was gluten-free. Or then they would run and get the chalkboards. That was more for breakfast, I think. Okay. And then there was always a gluten-free, like cookie or brownie or dessert set, like a side. So like, as long as they know ahead of time, they, I think that was the thing. As long as they knew ahead of time, they could prepare. Awesome. And it was, it was good. I couldn't complain about the food at all. Great. And for breakfast, they had really three options. It was, there was a buffet, the full buffet, then there was a continental, they called it. And then you could order. So they had like a special of the day every day. And you could order that if you wanted. Oh, wow. So the lots of options. Yeah. Yeah. Was there anything that wasn't what you expected? I think I had no expectation going in. And that was kind of amazing. So everything was really great. Yeah. Sometimes when you have no expectations, then. Yeah.

25:42Yeah. Yeah, I, I really love the trip. I'm not sure I would go for a week. OK, because I just feel like it got a little bit redundant. But I would go for a week if I could say like, hey, I'm going to sleep in and go to the pool, right? Like, but if you're going to keep wanting to do, like, I think we did all the activities we wanted to do, except maybe like relax. OK, so that's where I would add the other time. But I feel like we did everything. Like, you know, so. And they offered interesting stuff. Like, there was a, on the horseback, they had the, the obstacle course, which was really kind of neat. And then they also did remember that morning, we rode to breakfast. That was awesome. And they had to take that. That was really fun. But that ride was a little like, so that was the movie. And yeah, oh, that was the ride after. That was in the, in the, in the national park. Yeah. Oh, cool. You got to ride in different, like a national. Yeah, the Soaro, I guess, cactus national park is right.

26:45Is the foothills of that big mountain that the whole ranch looks out at. And one of the rides is like a long ride. It's like two and a half, three hours. And they take you up, you know, you're kind of climbing up and down and it's pretty rocky and, you know, a little dicey. But the horses were pretty good. Yeah. So I have to ask, because they are part of our, the association. So how are the horses condition? Like, did you feel that I know we talked a little bit about being surprised about their care. But did you find that their horses were well being well treated? The everything from their tack. Did you find that their tack was suitable for each horse? Obviously they have a failure on staff there. Things like that. Did you find that that you were comfortable with the horse care and the welfare of the horses? I didn't think that the horses were well cared for. They clearly got enough to eat. They always had access to water. I think for me, it was hard watching them be in saddles all day and that heat gave my horse a bath one day.

27:47They will allow that. And she did have some sores and felt badly about that. But, you know, they, and her saddle pads kind of kept falling back and they just were like, oh, it's fine. They did say because it was that shoulder season, the horses had like four weeks off in the heat of the summer. OK, I think where they were on a shortened schedule and they weren't using all the horses. And so, for instance, Dolly, if it was mine, she's older. She's a brood mare. She was a little heavy. And she had like some, you know, a little bit of quick breathing. She would get winded before the other horses did. So I was a little bit concerned about that. But basically, they said, you know, we just brought her back after, you know, weeks getting back into shape. She's getting back into shape, you know. And so, and for like the saddle sore thing, that's what they said to me. She had a little sore on her girth area. And that's what they said, you know, she's just getting back into it. And they're ranch horses. I think these horses are, you know, used like that, you know.

28:50Yeah, of course, you know, there's different standards for different, different areas of the world, really. And then, you know, and what they're used for, you know, they're not, they're not show horses and they're not backyard horses. They are there to do a job and they're ranch horses. That being said, you did feel that they, when you brought things to their attention, that they recognize them. And, oh, yeah, they were aware of that. And, definitely, perfect. And they were very little sad horses there. They all seemed pretty happy. A lot of perky ears, everyone loves treats. They know, you know, they're getting treats all the time. And they were, they were in your pocket. They were really sweet. They were happy. And no one was thin. Nobody looked bad. Nobody looked like they'd, you know, never been groomed. And they had outlast treats like they have really, so they do take really good care of the horses. And that was kind of one of the first things I noticed was like, oh, they have tummy treats. Like, that's amazing. Yeah, that's great. That's wonderful. Yeah.

29:51Yeah, that's awesome. So if you were to describe each of you, one word to describe your trip, what would it be? Fun. Yeah. Amazing. I thought it was amazing. Cool. Awesome. Yeah. I don't have one word. I loved it. Awesome. I love it. Yeah. I'm looking to go back there. So hopefully this year. So thank you. You need to look up Denise. She's the, so the owners were not there when we were there because it was shoulder season and they took vacation. What does that mean? Shoulder season. Yeah. Like in between like the, it's like a little hot. Like when people don't really come. So they weren't at max capacity, which is really nice. Okay. So it's kind of like the beach and you're like not in prime season. Yeah. We're not in the off season. Ranch season. Correct. Yeah. It was like summers. They're off season. Winters. They're high season. And we went in the fall. So it was just ramping up to their high season. Yeah.

30:51Gotcha. And so since the owners weren't there, I don't know what Denise's title is. But she basically took over like the, the signing of the horses and like she like told us everything. She was just really amazing. So you want to go find her if you go back. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the other thing that they had that I thought was a really pleasant surprise is they had a professional photographer on staff. Oh, yeah. So as you were galloping through the cacti and tumbleweeds, there was somebody like hidden in a corner, taking pictures of you and your group as you fly by. And the pictures with the backdrop and the, and the red mountain and that they just turned out stunning. They really are. What a great like to do for your guests though. Cause like, you know, then, then no offense anybody. But like if I'm taking a picture of you guys on the horseback, it comes out all fuzzy or, you know what I mean? But what a great like tree. Cool. Yeah. It was amazing.

31:51And, and then every night at happy hour, we would go to happy hour and, and the photographer would be there with her laptop, just showing all the pictures and you could put them in a folder and then purchase them and she would email them directly to you. So it was really easy and seamless. And now we have all these great photos. Oh, that's so cool. I love them. I love them. Yeah. Is there anything that you would add or what advice would you give somebody that is going there? I couldn't imagine going in high season. I just feel like it would be a lot of people. Okay. And I feel like there were a good amount of people there, but it was very comfortable because you weren't, we weren't getting shut out of anything that we wanted to do. And people knew our names too. Like it was small enough that the Wranglers recognized us. Denise would come and find us and ask how we're doing. Like you recognize people because it wasn't packed. Yeah. Well, so maybe look at shoulder season. Yeah. It was, I think it was a nice time to go. The other thing is with the scheduling,

32:53you do have like the schedule for that day gets released at seven a.m. And that's when you sign up for the things that you want. So that's why Kim and I would set on our alarm every morning at seven. And we would log on to the, you know, their website or whatever and like sign everybody up for what they wanted to do that day. Gotcha. That you can't, like I think when we were going, we were like, how are we going to sign up? How does it work? Like how do you get the things that you? Do I need to schedule it ahead of time? You can't. You're literally like it opens at seven a.m. And we were never closed out. Gotcha. And yeah. And that's. I was going to say, I think it was freakishly hot for that time of year two. So I would not go just because we have that one really hot experience. But I think it's a good time to go. All cool. Well, thank you ladies for coming on the show. Thank you. As we wrap up this episode of Galpin Getaways,

33:54I want to leave you with this, a question travel works best when it's built on care, professionalism and trust. The Equestrian Travel Association exists to uphold standards to support a question experiences that meet a high bar for horse welfare, ethical business practices and thoughtful delivery. If you like to learn more about the ETA or explore the kinds of experiences that reflect these values, you can visit rideETA.com. Thanks for riding along with me today. And I'll see you next time on Galpin Getaways. We hope you've enjoyed trotting along with us and discovering new destinations on horseback. Until next time, travel thoughtfully, ride with care. And I'll see you on Galpin Getaways.