Full Show | The Midweek Mail Run with Michael Guerin & Tony Johnson (9/9/26)

0:00Yes, he's in the studio.

1:00From Princes of the Turf to Queen of the Turf. Ah, yes. Well, we're going to talk about that in just a moment with MacGar, just before we do, we'll just rattle off a couple of texts because people have texted in on this question of multi-talented athletes across various codes, Mike the Ramside. Martin Donnelly played Test Cricket for New Zealand, but also a test match in rugby for England in 1947 against Ireland. Yes, that's true. While he was at I Can't Remember, it was Cambridge or Oxford, one of those universities. And someone here saying, surely I missed a lot of the all-rounder chats. Surely someone's mentioned Goldie. Rugby and Cricket, but apparently basketball was his favourite and he was pretty handy at that. He was very good at that and he still is now. They still have games when they're on tour. He can hit a pretty good golf ball as well. TJ famously Kevin Skinner was a heavyweight boxing champion and a storied all-black talk about a crossover of skills to dramatic effects. Steve from Napier, yes, that was in the 1956 series when he came out of retirement because the Springbok front row was giving

2:02them some problems, some things never change. And finally, hi TJ, remember the cover of the sports digest in the mid-1970s that had a picture of Brian Cedarwell and the caption next double all-black. A premature celebration, but there's no question Brian Cedarwell, fact from a great sporting family in Wellington Seeds and he was, yeah, played Plunkett, Shield Cricket for Wellington and a very good fullback for the Wellington rugby team as well. So thanks for all those texts, but it is time to move on because, yes, Mick is in the studio with a solo Michael. Good to see you, my friend. Hey, I'm Willie Wellthing. You're going good. It's on one a great weekend. Great weekend for racing. Yeah, and on everything some vast sort of might be. Different levels. So well written, returned with that win, which has been well spoken about on Sport Nation this week at Allersley, but it gives you the promise for what lies ahead because once a New Zealand trained horse goes towards Australia, it's very much us against them. How do we rate compared with the isn't she'll be definitely the biggest marker of that. As good as that

3:07was, the most remarkable New Zealand racing story out of the weekend was Sunday, Sharton, the big track return to Interracial Hong Kong. It's really easy as a New Zealander to be parochial and say, we are the best at this or that. A lot of it doesn't mean that much to a degree. Clearly, Hamish Kuh does. Hamish Kuh is the best. We know that. Pai Jumper and the Woody Wonder Olympic gold. And we have a lot of other things we're supposed to be the best at. And you know, we love it, mate. We're a small country, and our sports people succeeding is always meant so much to us. I totally agree, but a lot of it, for example, either small areas or we see them as the best. For example, a lot more Kiwi Skiribat Steven Adams and Americans Kiribat Steven Adams or Chris Wood. I think it's amazing what Chris Wood's done, but a lot more of us care about his feet than the average palm because they've got plenty of other soccer players to care about. We've already got one. But this is a different thing. There's a lot of horses in the world, hundreds of thousands of professional

4:09racer horses who do that for a job. And the best race horse in the world isn't usually on tours. Now that's almost unfavorable. That car you're rising is the best horse in the world. And it's not my opinion because I'm a Kiwi. It's not that. It's an official ratings. But what he did at Sharton the other day was I watch racing every day of my life for 40 years. It was one of the five most dramatic things I've ever seen. So we're going to talk to his trainer Dave and Dave. Top five of everything. It might be a guest selector on the top five of everything next week. Well ironically horses can't be nominated for the the Helberger. It's not the right person to give a shit about the Helberger. I think there's a hole in a hole in how they do that. But it's remarkable that he could technically be alongside Hamish Kir. I'm not because Hamish Kir is clearly the best in the world. There's no doubt about that. He could technically be the best newsman and athlete in the world. But horses don't get to vote. So that's how we go. But that's a remarkable story. We'll get to that later on. David Hayes will

5:11join us exclusively out of Hong Kong to talk about the horse, to talk about his planes, brilliant, and to talk about how this works. Horses are born in New Zealand. How do they end up in Hong Kong? What sort of horses thrive there as compared to ones who don't? So we'll pull back the curtain a bit more on kaying rising. But before we enter that, before the end, we've got a great story. Yang Dalek called Jasmine Forset is joining us. She finished last year in the top 10 on the premiership. Now, think about one of them about to tell you. In the scheme of your own working life, Jasmine rode at Timoroo on the weekend. She rides at Cambridge today. She rides at Rickidon tomorrow. They're in two different islands. This is her job. So she's going to work today. Then she's going to work in the South Island tomorrow. Then she comes back and works at Kulpo on Friday, which is in the North Island. Then she goes to Rates Sunwear, either hasting to Rickidon on Saturday. Then she'll race some rils on Sunday. So she might be one of the few people in the country who is getting in the

6:12plane and flying to a different island at the moment every day to go to work. That's a commute. Jasmine's on the phone with us. Good morning to you, Jasmine. You have been a very busy young lady. Good morning, Mickey. I'm no kaying rising, but I'd like to think that I've got the same drive at him. The same staying pal. Just telling Tony Johnson all about it. If you had yourself in this position, where five years ago you were a good jocky and you were riding okay, but you decided to start going to the South Island to hone your craft and get more rides and get better. That now seems to be spilling over to you being a better North Island standard rider. Was that the idea to go South, get more opportunities and hopefully become a better jocky up here? Yeah, absolutely. It doesn't matter if it's winter on the border in the cargo or winter on the border. Allasley, it still counts towards the premier ship, doesn't it? Look, it does,

7:15but just talking about that travel schedule for this week. How does that work? For example, you're riding today at Cambridge. We appreciate you joining us on a work day. But tomorrow, you're riding at Rickerton. So when is the decision made that you will ride at Rickerton tomorrow? I presume booking flights and booking rides needs to be 10 days ago. And when do you decide, I'll go here, I'll go there, or it's not worth me going all the way to invagogal for this day, so I won't go there. Do you plan that? Does your manager plan that? How does Jasmine force it incorporate work? Yeah, my agent is Darryl Anderson and he does a phenomenal job in WELIAs probably four weeks out of where we think the best possible chance I'll have for getting winners in where he thinks that I should be going. So sometimes you'll have a ride booked two or three weeks before the race? Absolutely, yeah. He does WELIAs and sort of why with

8:19trainers, particularly in the South Island, my drum black headers, a big supporter of mine, and we'll find out what we've got and then we'll work it in with what we've got up here. Obviously, my priority is to stay up here as often as I can, but you have to go where the winners are. Okay, let's talk, talk me through a typical day or next 30 hours of your life. You're racing at Cambridge today, that's easy. You'll go around, do a tough job, but it's still close to home. You're racing at Rikiden tomorrow, so you drive yourself to the airport, park the car, you fly down there, you sleep on the plane because I presume your sundoms are running trackwork in the morning before you go. How does that all logistically work? Yeah, well, it's exactly how you see it. I think the biggest benefit I've got is that I don't have to waste, so I can drink a lot of coffee, I can eat a lot of food, I can sleep any moment of the day that I can, like just before you've called, I've got myself a 45-minute sleep before I have to get organised for the races, so

9:21it's just about balancing my lifestyle as best as I can. Okay, I know you're not supposed to ask females about their weight, but to be able to ride light, you need to be around 52 kilos. Are you somewhere in that ballpark and for people who think jockey staff themselves all the time, do you even go through the McDonald's drive-through? Is that a luxury rollout in your life? The McDonald's drive-through is actually a common occurrence for me because I know. Yeah, it's a time management thing and it's very convenient and I do walk about 50 and a half kilo, I actually have to remind myself to eat with such a busy lifestyle, so I'm probably one of the more fortunate ones in this situation. What about form? Because the horses racing at Cambridge today on the synthetic are obviously a totally different bunch of horses from the ones you rode at Timoroo, I think you rode three winners on Sunday and obviously to the ones you're riding tomorrow. So how do you do that research, keep it in your head and then I presume you've got to dump it

10:26because tomorrow's a whole new bull game. Yeah, it's a lot, I'd say, easier up here in the North Island for me because you get to know all the horses around you and you get to know all the jockey around you. So when it comes to form for meetings like today, I sort of already have a fair idea of what's going to go on. But whereas when I go down south, I do have to rely on a lot of the owners input, the trainers inputs and what they expect and a big key to it is the track biases when I do travel down south. There's a lot of us chairs who in life just sitting here with Tony, he's commenting, rugby the next day he's getting at a beer to radio and we all end up just jumping on planes and going around the place. Do you ever get to a situation where, for example, Sunday night, you come home from Timoroo and you just think to yourself, holy hell what's just happened over the last three or four or five days, or do you just get used to it? I don't think you ever get used to it. I didn't get home from Timoroo tool 12. It was a midnight

11:29by the time I had a shower and got into bed. It was without what I mean. So it's not something you ever get used to. It's just probably something that you have to deal with. It's just part of the job. So what about riding track work? Because obviously track work, you sort of need to be able to be at 330 and up and about. Do you still ride a lot of track work or during a period the next five days, Jasmine? Can you not do that? You can't do it when you travel. Obviously you've got flights to catch and whatnot and I did take Monday off after not getting home till midnight, but I do try to ride as much track work as I possibly can because I think there's a massive advantage to knowing the horses that you're riding at the races. Okay, let's talk about you. I've known you for a long time and I was very proud of you for breaking into the top 10 the last couple of years. When you look back on it now and you think about how busy you are and how in demand you are, does it make you proud of you thinking to yourself,

12:30hey, this is pretty cool. This is a different jazement force than I saw five years ago in my life. Yeah, I guess so. I guess it's a good way to put it, but I do try to keep myself grounded and I guess the other motivation is I love money. It's probably everybody else though. Because the pace for those McDonald's drivers is the honesty. I love the honesty. This brilliant. TJ, what are your views of money? You're a fan? I was going to, oh yeah, no, I enjoy money. And McDonald's? Yeah, McDonald's. No, not so much. I have no cows, junior me. Well, you're not 51 kilos. No, I'm about double that. All right, yeah, so I love your story. I think it's a story about hard work, but you don't get a free lunch here. We need a winner. So you're heading to Cambridge today. What's your best chance of riding a winner? All two, you can ride as many as you want. We don't mind for the sport nation listeners. Oh, okay, so we're expecting a bold performance from Ichihar in the first. Okay, it's $6 punters. Yeah, but I also like up in light and I like the perfect one. So all

13:36three of those horses are trained by Glen Old and I ride them most mornings. So I've got a good relationship with the horses and a good relationship with the trainers. So that could be a nice little multi for somebody that's interested. Okay, what about the next couple of days? I know you're probably doing meetings, meetings by meeting, but I also know sometimes you'll jump off a horse and say, do you manage your Darryl? We want to ride this next time. So what do you think you best chance of riding a winner? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or even Sunday? Could you say, busy? Oh, it's a tough question. I think there's one of John Blackhead's made in Tutu that I think was very unlucky last time. That's racing tomorrow. I think he's a very good chance. So I forgot the name of the horse. I'm one day at a time, but I do remember riding him as previous and it was very unlucky. His name was Gapet. Yeah. Okay, race one. Did Master Hunter turn me right at last time? Look, you're on it. It's totally 200 metre maiden. I'm sure there's not that many of them tomorrow. J.S. So I'm picking it. Hey, J.S. As I said, I'm very proud of you. It's a wonderful story

14:41for someone who works so hard and is putting themselves out there and riding so many winners. That gives a lot of people a lot of pleasure. Your photograph, riding horses will be on a lot of people's walls as they're the harnour of the racing year. So thank you for joining Tony and I this morning, J.S. To talk about your really interesting life, a good luck over the next four or five days. Thank you. Yeah, good on you, J.S. Man. I love that. They're just so forthcoming and yeah, out front of everything. Well, no one J.S. for probably 10 years. Look at you know, all the jockies like, like, you know, the funny place. You get to know them and she was just a duty person, right? A lot of the, there's a lot of riders who run that 10 to 20, 30 bunch. They're a bit of on a horse and they're not negatives and they're not positive. They just don't as ride the horses. But she has worked at her craft really, really hard. Got on a lot of planes as you just heard. That works schedule is totally brutal. And she's excelling at it and she's become a better rider to the point now where she gets rides at allosly against the OP bossons and the Michael McNebs and it doesn't seem abnormal to see her out there. So it's a case

15:43of hard work. You can follow her today at Cambridge on the synthetic Ortomorrow at Rikiden. Of course, those odds for both meetings available on tab.co.nz and on Biccher as we speak. We will ask you for your text again. We had a lot of text come through last week on double eight double three for Mick and we've got a couple to ask. It's time allows but in a moment we're going to talk to Mark Chittick from the Waikato stud on sport nation mornings. It's 16 minutes after 11. Twenty after 11 sport nation and just updating their tennis, Aaron Routliffe and Sujati, the quarter finals of the women's doubles at the US Open. They got themselves into a tie break here. They were a breakup. Kruger and McGonry, the American duo, have fought back to level it so they're in the tie break. It's gone with several. Keep your posted on that. Just we're going to talk to Mark Chittick from Waikato stud shortly but it's breeding season. So God knows what could be happening there. There could be me as folding down as they say.

16:44We've got David Hayes coming up at 11.30. We're looking forward to that. A couple of questions. Don't know much about racing lads but could well ridden even line up against Kayegg rising Big Mac. Thanks to the question, Big Mac. Very, very unlikely. Kayegg rising tends to race over 1200 metres and extends to 1400 metres occasionally. Well, Ritter will race about 1400 to 1600. But more reason is that you just try and avoid Kayegg rising. He races predominantly in Hong Kong. He'll race in Australia at least once a year and the Everest and she won't race in the Everest. She's being set for the Golden Eagle which is two weeks later for 10 million. The Everest is 20 million. So the good question and it's not impossible but I would say it was very unlikely. Dave from Blackpool says Michael on about to have a knee replacement. Well, good luck Dave. Looking at jockeys, the anise said to carry a lot of burden. Are they prone to knee injuries? Well, I spend a little time with jockeys and I don't often hear them talk about their knees but the way they hinge their body on a horse, the weight isn't buried on the knee. It's more through the

17:47thighs and through the glutes, the buttocks. So a lot of that weight and their abs and when you see jockeys, they've always got great abs. So that area of their body carries a lot of the weight. It doesn't tend to be using the knee as a hinge, quite like other people. I don't know that specifically but I haven't heard many jockeys talk about their being an issue with their knees as much. But what you do form in your round a lot of jockeys, a lot of them are really strong in the boyceps because the boyceps are holding the horse back and that's what they're using but very much through the thighs and the buttocks because they are balancing themselves in the stirrup. So really good question. And I hope he wins. This is another question. We have a hope he wins one stayer of the year, the horse of the year awards. This is from Dan on Sunday. She also won the Australian oaks with two group ones, one on Australia. Should she win a horse of the year? Well, a couple of things. I don't think she could of but she wasn't actually trained here when she won the Australian

18:47oaks. So technically, you could say that didn't count because she wasn't a New Zealand trained horse anymore. Chris Waller trained her. And secondly, two oaks wins is good but I don't think it cancels out a 1000 guineas run, correct a million three roll, one an A and Z B Kiwi win. And also, she had some defeats, whereas well, it didn't have any defeats. So I think the right horse won but it would have been very fair had I hope he wins one had well written not had such a stellar season. Keep your questions coming in. We'll do a best to answer them. Double eight double three, the text number. Yeah, Mark Chidick is the boss at Waikato's stud. Now they had a very special award at the New Zealand awards on Sunday night because Savabeel, the elite stayer who has been a wonderful horse and incredible horse was a great race horse too. Past away earlier this year was voted the global achievement for any New Zealander horse or human at the awards. Mark, I know it's

19:48very sad that Savabeel was gone but what a remarkable thing when you think of all those global achievers, people like Waller or James McDonald to think they gave it to your late great Savabeel you must have really got to kick it out of there. Absolutely, Michael, like, yes he's collected plenty of awards over his time. Obviously, he champions daily in the set, etc. But yeah, that's what that one was, that's one is quite unique as you say when you think about it's across you know, also human or whatever. So I'm very proud of him. Obviously, yes it is said that he's passed away but in that, you know, it was always going to happen at some stage and he was the oldest one that we'd got through sort of things so it was quick and no decisions had to be made. No, just talk about breeding season, the meers are falling down, that's what we call it when

20:51horses are babies. How many babies would be on the ground at Waikato stud and how many would be there by no then but how many meers would you fold down at Waikato stud over the next three or four months? Yes, a bit of a different year for us this year, Michael, with Savabeel not being here and with super-seth making his way over the Tasman there to call more. So like in the past, in the past, we have fold up to 350 over the last few years, it's been somewhere between 250 and 300. This year will be round about 200 by the end of it sort of thing and at this stage we've got 60 on the ground. So we've had a great start and you know, to be two months into the falling part of it and be more or less a third of the way through is really good. Mate, you've been involved with the advisory committee who helped plan a new pathway potentially

21:51for New Zealand Racing. That is now seen in establishment board put together so some actual action on some of the recommendations from the advisory committee. Are you happy with how that's being picked up on where things are going? Are we actually making progress? I really hope so. I really hope so. Like to be involved over, you know, with that for the last year or 18 months, it was a massive, massive learning curve for me and obviously there's still lots to learn but I think the biggest thing was what came out of it the first half was learning and then learning where we are at and where we're heading and that became, you know, once we had the facts in front of us it became quite frightening and then honestly the amount I worked that board put in in particular and particularly, you know, through your four of them,

22:53you know, the likes obviously of Greg Tomlinson and Brennan Lindsay and Steve Thompson down there, like the work that they put in was absolutely incredible. All in their own time, all at their own cost and like that, I mean, you know, like with the recommendations that came out of that, with, you know, guys that have incredible achievers like they are, you know, I hope something is taken on board and I've got to say, like all of us, we were hoping that they were in place and let's say being exercised sooner than now but that hasn't seemed to have worked as yet so I don't know whether we call it last resort or what, whether the establishment board but let's hope that they are successful and I think with that establishment board being led by Greg Tomlinson, yes we are a chance of getting some of these things done and hope, making a difference in future proofing industry which all jokes aside New Zealand is very good at,

24:00you know, for the next generations to come. Mark, we hear the Timberspan Sir Colin Meads trophy at Hastings on Saturday, great name for a race and you have just in case back at the races for your trainer, Chris Schailer, Barry at 9 may not be a disaster on a wet track but it's his first run back. Where is the at and should our sport nation listeners be backing him? Look, we went into the track yesterday morning and watched his last gallup, now just in case he is, oh he's an absolute cruiser, he's a cool horse and Chris has done a wonderful job with him and obviously he's competed in a good company and stood up to that. He's had a good break, he's certainly Sam Colett coming back and off the track yesterday, he's really strengthened up, he said he can feel it underneath him now, he's got more muscle, strengthened up, feeling well,

25:05very very happy horse and look we're just we're just wrapped to be getting back, getting back to the races, racing in a black type race at Hawkes Bay, you know, it's really exciting and yeah he's well, he gallup beautifully yesterday, Chris will leave no stone unturned and should you be backing him? Look, oh definitely backing him each way, he's honestly never let us down and he's got ability so yeah let's put a dollar on and keep the fingers crossed. Mark thanks for your work on the advisory committee, congratulations to you and the rest of the team at Waikato stud on seven bells, posthumers award, good luck with just in case we look forward to talking to you more over the sprint. Good man Michael, Paul Best. Mark Chittick from Waikato stud Tonya, I'm amazing to think they had sometimes folded 250 me, so that's 250 births on the property and some of them are worth 500 grand the second I hit the ground, so I look goes on at

26:06Waikato stud, but we need to take a break because on the other side of this Tony, real pleasure for us, a rear New Zealand radio appearance from David Hayes, the man who trains the New Zealand beast horse in the world, Cahing Ross. 400 to go Cahing Rising's five in front, the rest must look up and think oh no not this again because the champ is now six clear of co partner brands and then came Magic and Troll, lucky with you, 21 15, he seconds, split, look at Sydney, he's coming back and he's coming back, looking just like that. Sunday night at Charton, they started the Hong Kong Racing season for the New Year and a Kiwi horse, a horse who started its career here at his first trial in New Zealand, produced one of the most remarkable sprinting performances in the history of racing and I don't try to oversell that on not being parochial, it was jaw dropping. The man

27:10who trains him, there's one of the legends of racing in both Hong Kong and Australia, David Hayes, we're lucky to talk to him this morning. David, when you hear that and I'm sure you've heard it plenty of times and seen it plenty of times in Sunday night, for someone who has racing running through their blood like you do, it's still sort of hard to believe what happened. Yeah, he's a total freaky, he's last four runs since the Everest, he's broken a track record every time, so he's just getting better and better and better. Yeah, it's just a pleasure to repeat ourselves that we've got a machine like this. David, I know that you've been to the absolute mountain top as has your entire family in the racing world but there seems to be a different type of hype around him because people in England are transfixed by him, people in America are all wearer of him which is remarkable considering the way the Americans treat the outside world. And obviously the New Zealanders and the Australians are just in the Japanese and the Japanese

28:12and probably half of China. They're in awe of him. What's it like being at the centre of this, there's almost hurricane of a horse? It's a pleasure, it's a bit of pressure sometimes but it's just a pleasure to have if you get him right and get him to the gates, it gets him to the gates and out of the gates, he takes care of the rest which is just so nice to have. But I think in the Everest last year it was probably, it was his off-part performance and he's still one more length and a half and he's got the whip for the last hundred. He hasn't had the whip on him in Hong Kong for a season so it's quite amazing. People who don't want to a little racing David wouldn't understand that a horse comes around a bend and often they'll change their lead leg but he's so fast, some of them, he won't do it because he doesn't need to but I saw him change legs the other day, that's going to be really a handy heading to Sydney and maybe it's showing that he's finally going to get hit around all this. Well he's changed legs in Sydney was one of the first

29:18times and the last four races he's had but he's had 30 something trials and they got a lot easier in trials and he never changes legs so that drives that mad but I say the Zack he's running probably four seconds below what he can do he doesn't need to change legs. When you saw the time and I know times for our sportsluses are largely irrelevant but I was trying to give them perspective on Monday morning I said this will be like you saying about breaking the hundred metre world record going from 9.6 to 9.4 that is don't break it by two tenths but he broke this record by second. Once you saw that because I'm sure you watched the performance but then you saw the time come up what did you think? Well it was funny I watched it with the person I always watch it with Leo Schlink and when Zack let him rip at the 300 because we want him to have a bit hard to hit out the normal normally he's easy him down from the 300 I said he's going to break the track record

30:18and then when I walked out and the time came up I didn't think you'd break it by that much. Okay he's a big big large horse he's a big monster of a horse and some people would think that big horses are probably better than smaller horses but that's not always the case but what I've found is that with dealing with Hong Kong quite a bit it does help if they are bigger because sometimes you get those smaller horses with the smaller barrel and they can sort of melt away a little bit under the pressure of Hong Kong. When you think of New Zealand horses and the type of horses you like to take to Hong Kong does that factor into it do you like those bigger more robust 520 type kilo horses who can then develop on this as they get older? Yeah I do he was smaller than that when we bought him but he's put on a hundred pounds since he's been in Hong Kong so he's still developing in getting stronger he was actually 28 pounds above his winning weight which is 10 kilos last year and we took that as a positive because it's just getting bigger and better but you know I'd say

31:25he rafters the mid size and he's now a mid big no he's not a giant but he's a mid big. A lot of people make a big deal about how horses walk when you go to a yelling cell or a two-year-old cell people love that nice flowing walk and the back leg has an overstep over where the front leg lands I looked at him last year for that trial before the Everest he's not the greatest walking horse in the world is he lucky he that that fact he sort of makes a bit of a lie or some of the things we would like to believe David. He's a tight war I've called him a tight warker and when he when he loosens up behind the gates he sort of pranzes around very nice if you watch him when they have him on the TV but if you get him out the stable he plats a little bit and he's a stiff warker walks up beautifully very sound horse but no he just spells the walking theory. David you and your sons who are doing such a wonderful job with a lot of horses but with some New Zealand horses I've had a lot of success with New Zealand horses including of course Mr. Brightside

32:27as unperocule as it can be because I know you're talking to a New Zealand audience what do you guys like about New Zealand horses because you're regulars at the sales here they've got Mr. Brightside you have got Kaying Rising is it the depth of bonus at the fact that they are bone and muscle and tough horses I'm not trying to put words in your mouth what do you like about them? When you get a good one they're very hearty like they think they where the conditions you know you get the beautiful grass paddocks of course but they have to be pretty tough being out the cold sometimes and I think they become when you hit the spot their bare ones are pretty weak but their good ones are very good and that's what I notice when you get a Kiwi horse they've got good bone and they do train on often train on they're not precocious horses. David talked to us about Chong Far which is a word a lot of people listening to the show of never heard before so Sharton is in Hong Kong and horses who live at Sharton predominantly live in

33:29boxes a lot of the time but obviously the Hong Kong Jockey Club have built this purpose built facility on mainland China called Chong Far where they're going to start racing soon and it gives you the opportunity to put horses in a more natural environment what's that like because so many of the Hong Kong horses we think are boxed most of the time but when they get a Chong Far does it sort of replicate what you might see down this part of the world? A little bit a little bit it's a magnificent training center that's spent six billion Hong Kong on a billion not million billion and it's a wonderful training track beautiful relaxed environment I find my horses when they go there they'd probably eat 15 to 20% more which means the environment that's all about the environments it's nestled in the mountains and I've just moved the mountain and put a race course in there so and the grads then is to be seen to believe it's the best grads that I've ever seen so hopefully

34:31they get racing soon there's a bit of a complication and a setback on the first meeting but I think they're working towards getting back on track but this facility is incredible. I know you like to play in Cairing Rising's racing obviously it can be a year in advance because you know when it's going to be international week which is the second weekend and December and we know we race at the back end of April now that the Chong Far meeting which was going to be November 21 and they wanted you to go there with him to be the big star attraction for the big day. Now that's been canned is there any chance you say well it gives us a window to stick around and go to Flemmy Tin for a three million dollar sprint or literally is it the Everest October 7th and you go home because it would be too long to be away from home to get a Melbourne. Well no not too long he'd be absolutely fine but the club have been so wonderful buying the permit for the ownership group and the club are very keen to get this to our attraction home as quickly as possible

35:32so you'll be running in a probably 1.3 million dollar race in Hong Kong rather than a 3 million Melbourne or or still Sydney. David you'll be doing this a long time with a lot of great horses obviously you've been to the mountain top in Japan where you've unjapan cups and that sort of thing with this Everest is going to come maybe a lever of shall we say interest that even you may not have encountered before in fact I would say outside the secretariat's in the Frankles and maybe moods with black caviar and obviously Chris with winks not many trainers are going to have as many requests as much spotlight and have the horse as scrutinised as Kaying's going to be before the Everest it's going to be a really interesting time. And yeah like last year there was a little fake news going around that he was something was wrong with him which he wasn't because he got beaten in the trial but he was a bit fresh and to come on this year hopefully doesn't get beaten in the trial or or or trials more encouraging

36:35to the eye than everyone will leave us alone but to have a horse that two years ago I thought it was the best horse I've ever trained and now I think he's one of the best I've ever seen and you know to even you know I'm seeing all these comparing to black caviar which is ridiculous there are different eras but isn't it nice to have a horse to be compared to black caviar like I never thought I'd see one either did I and what about the quarantine so he's in quarantine at the moment which he has to be in to go to Cindy what does quarantine because again I'm talking to a sporting audience David what does quarantine mean for a horse does that mean he has to be stable by himself or can he take a mate in there so he's got someone to keep him company and then I presume he works on the track once all the other horses have done their work for the day so he doesn't go on to him yeah well unfortunately works before so we have very early starts he's working you're three thirty four o'clock then then the track opens and he he has two weeks in isolation but he's

37:35got a stable mate there which is just a companion to eat with and he travels down to Australia with him and he lives with him all the time before he goes into quarantine he has two weeks of serious quarantine at canterbury and then he's got two weeks of isolation so it's about a six week you see it's pretty pretty hard on them you know they've got to have a great attitude which he has he loves canterbury which is nice to know he does David tonight we went head to happy valley so for those people who don't follow it Hong Kong sharten races predominantly sundays every Wednesdays happy Wednesdays happy valley I see you got a couple lining up there we've got a winner for our sport nation listers at the valley tonight I look like I won't tip you a late one this is too late never once you've been bad but I might not be there right so I've got a horse called precious hyping race two and oriental in race three so race two and race three I'm pretty

38:43hard to be there before we let you go David obviously you're a proud Aussie and you know you've got so much to be proud of I take it maybe because most of the trainers in Hong Kong are coming down here for the ready to run some November will you be back for those and it is there this awareness in your mind that you're also taking a whole bunch of Kiwis along on this ride because I can't explain to you how many New Zealanders set their alarms for Sunday at 5.30 last week and later into the into the summer to see kaying rising there are so many people over here in fact you're way to buy the horse I don't think I've ever seen it before about an overseas horse yeah well is that nice to have a horse like that they he's really worth watching he doesn't eat something a few stats about him the second favorite in Saturday's race was 104 to one so that's how dominant a horse he is and in the last four races the second favorite has been 50 to one I've never seen that now it's remarkable David you'll be down for the ready to

39:46runs in November I'll see you later last year so you'll be there ticket's booked and looking forward to it mate we look forward to seeing you David look thanks for joining us on sport nation this morning thanks for helping fly our flag it's always becoming your knighted nations of horse and David we're loving every minute of it mate good luck for the remainder of the season thanks for taking your time to join us yeah thanks a lot David Hayes who teach that's the religion degree family his father was the great colonized colonized yeah and so that one Japan at Telec colonized absolutely well done TJ we're on cap 1986 seven now 87 was in part rose 1986 what a yeah might have been but look they've been a legendary fan how the hell did I remember this is the exclamation I might have had a I think I might have got the vanilla I had the quenella yeah I've had it at Telec and and a horse that one of the skeletons was on something rising something oh I've had a quenella in about 20 years yeah he's

40:46actually a blood of 400 but go go he's a good fellow that's sorry and it is it's sun's train so so Ben JD and so three boys all trained together and they've got Mr Brightside who's another very good New Zealand horse but Kaya's on fear sorry rising fear sorry so yeah we'll keep you up to date on on Kaya and rising his next start is in the Everest October the 17th at Randwick for 20 million dollars Aussie and yes he may not be living in New Zealand but that's no different to Steven Adams or Chris Ward or any of those other guys he doesn't live here anymore but he's still a kebie we'll take a break come up on the other side and we will sum up your racing week here on support nation