"From Armed Offenders To Forward Defences With Mike Sandle"

0:00Well get out there and welcome to a special episode of the BYC podcast where we continue our winter series of blockbuster interviews Dylan Clever and Paul Ford today we have someone a little bit a little bit different he's been described by some is the glue that keeps the side together a quality all rounder yet is yet to score a test century or take a single wicket. Apart from a two-year student between 2022 and 2024 he's been ever present in the black caps whether that's on the the balcony or behind the boundary rope and that is of course black caps manager Mike Sandle Mike welcome to the show you've got one of the great nicknames can you please tell us what it is and who came up with it Roman Sandle so he obviously yeah it's self explanatory but I was in an era where Roman Sandle's the school but um distracted confident but anyway that's another story yeah so yeah but the sad thing is that some people think it is a very real name so

1:01that's something pure and thrilled. So you hear names like Marshmallow and Dwayne Pytum things like so Roman Sandle's almost as good. And surely everyone in your family's called Roman then if that was given to you as a young say any of your kids called Roman? I've got two daughters actually so yeah so no thanks to none of them have got that name yeah so one people think it's because of my nose oh yeah yeah Roman nose. Right I've got a question for you uh Mike what makes New Plumuth New Zealand's most lovable city is it the impression? Is it the chimney of the New Plumuth power station the wind wand the rearward air will well scale it and bridge or the slight fear of an imminent volcanic eruption? I would say the wind wand but yeah but you got them the skate plane yeah don't you I can remind it it occasionally when the wind amounting blows um probably sad for people on the yeah one side of mountain but I'm supposed to be on the side of the mountain so I'll take a

2:02little bit of hope in that yeah that's uh that is correct so you got to have an escape plan. Chances are you probably won't be a high let's be honest that's right yeah yeah hey Mike you did 24 years in the police um during the armed offender squad and dog handling gang intelligence before this uh from what in that world actually transferred to being a manager of the cricket team? Well I've probably prepared me pretty well actually but I've met some of the individuals I had to work with and um I'm probably pleased to say that none of you guys have come across my radar so it's a good thing to class. But I think yeah it comes down obviously um within those roles I had there's a lot of uh people skills I'm guessing communication um some pretty tense times but also some you have a lot of fun as well um and I think you're always liking it when you're away in a cricket team you're with a group of uh group of guys you're away

3:03you know for some pretty long periods of time and um and I guess in the police you know you are pretty much still in that as well says but a dark humor from time to time and you know things like that so um but I think yeah the people skills and um just the only situations as I rise really still being good said. So you you managed um Taranaki and New Zealand under 19 rag beat in the blues before cricket came knocking in uh 2011. Yeah was cricket ever part of the plan or did it find you how's that how did that work? Now it wasn't part of the plan actually like um I guess uh I was managing the blues and I had another guy Mark Plummer who some of you guys want to know but he was um he's still in cricket for the over for 12 years and he's still always telling me about what you know cricket and what a great environment was and things like that. We're into that Africa on a blues trip uh over there in the uh cricket jobs left I spent so plums and I just chatting my night

4:04and they've might have had a beer or turn a hands and um yeah and so I thought why not um give it a go and something totally totally different for me I was never a great cricketer um the highest level I played was um with fourth grade cricket here in in Taranaki for a club called Midhurst um so played the DMCC um and we shared DMCG the Midhurst Crick Grant as well so uh yeah but yeah I certainly um applied for the job with pretty low expectations and uh I was lucky enough to keep going through I thought um you know uh there'd be a former former cricketer there somewhere and I think if you did apply so it was a surprise for me as much as anyone else and I keep going through the system really. Hey just on the Midhurst Cricket Club were you the only one in that club who's surnamed in with SKI? Uh yeah well I actually live in the across sides of the slimy D for Jean Paul there.

5:04What cricket bat? What cricket bat were you using with our back then just out of just out of general interest? I think it was a pleasant approach and the days when we just had a lot of canvas bag and there's about four bits in there and you know a couple of sets of pads and a couple of boxes and you just felt yourself really? So you touched on something um the mic when you talked about taking the job and you said that um Mac Plumber said it was a great environment like what does what does that mean like what for you what are you looking for? What is it? when you were doing your box taking on a great environment? What sort of things are cropping up for you? Um well I think anything you do you've got to enjoy it? You've got to have fun and so that was um there was something for me I think you know Lissia Lissia enjoy a job you might as well not do it so and I've always even I've never played cricket to a um great level as always a person who could sit on bank and I found watching cricket um pretty relaxing so I thought if you can buy

6:05the two um you know the job of getting a team around the world safely and efficiently and get the opportunity to you know have best office in the world and um you know work while you're watching cricket it's not a bad combination really so uh I guess that attracted me to it. Cricket watching on the back can be relaxing but there was a time there where watching New Zealand from the bank wasn't particularly relaxing and I imagine it wasn't really that relaxing for you in Cape Town in 2013 all out for 45 after winning the time. Can you can you take us into Brendan's hotel room that night and I guess some of the conversations that were had which I guess it's not drawing too long a bow to say that's when the wheel really started turning didn't it? Yeah like um yeah it was a funny old test that like uh going back to the game one of my enduring memories of that game is silence in the changing rooms. It's been interrupted by Velcro being ripped off and on as the guys with peeds are coming off and on and it was one of those games where you wish it could have um

7:09pushed pause and said can we start this again you know uh and let's have another crack but um yeah that night I guess we got back to a hotel um nice and early and I just thought uh Brendan wasn't too far away from me so I thought I was going to go down and check in and see how he's going it's his first test as captain uh and everything else and my custom is already in the room and then it's not them door went in there shortly after Bob Carter arrived and then there's four of us there and I guess um it was one of those moments really it wasn't planned but we just sat there with the with the bear in our hands and probably um some moments a little bit to start with this you know think what the hell is just happened here and then from that point on I guess we just started chatting about um how who we were and how we were perceived how we wanted to be perceived and um you know hadn't how we wanted to move forward from that point on and control we could control so I guess from those small beginnings um the conversation started and we we got things got things going

8:14there was no whiteboard or nothing like that it was just a just a chat with uh with the bear in your hand and you know um we started getting things going um just just touching on that I'm that was obviously some dark times we talked to um Tom Latham uh last week and talk about the fact he's been involved in the setup for 14 years and you know in the last 12 years we've made so many World Cup finals with one World Test Championships with one three Nilland India you know with one away series we've got a whole generation of kids including mine that just think the black caps are awesome and their world beaters and they've always been at the top and they're always making finals and if they don't then they're upset but of course there were bleaker times before that um but looking at the last 12 years or so what I mean what's what's the secret source I mean what what co did you guys crack you touched on earlier about just you know deciding how you were perceived but what was what was the glue that kept that all together I think um one of the main things was

9:14our identity really and we wanted to be ourselves so for for a lot of long time you know we started we were trying to copy other teams like copy Australia, copy England um and things like that but you know we're not like them and I think our secret source has just been Kiwis um so being Kiwis you know we we uh make the most of what we have um you know always find that uh we might not have all the bills and whistles of the other teams and things like but we have a have an attitude where we roll our sleeves up um we get going we can have a good time as well you know and have fun and enjoy what you're doing so I think it's all about was about attitude as well so I guess um you know the things we can control like you know uh fielding used to be one thing so you know and basically that where you need memories of diving you know horizontally into into the hoardings as you're trying you know cut off a ball and you know things like that and so I guess you know we won't go to win every game um but one thing our public expected was us to um to no

10:18matter what was to go down fighting and give it our best shot uh so I guess it started from there really um and we probably would perceive back then as having a bit of a soft underbelly and um you know being premature honors and uh things like that which the players certainly weren't but I think the other secret source Mike was um uh this environment was very unstable then so there have been a lot of coaches coming and going um and so with that you know they all had different ideas and so there was instability and it probably made the players at that stage be more worried about their own backyard rather than the team yeah and I guess we had the flip that around and try and try and create an environment where uh players felt safe and comfortable I guess and because you know you're going to make mistakes um and that's how you learn but um I guess we got consistent yet consistency and selection to you know players got a second chance and you know wasn't just uh you're in and out that the whim of uh of a selector's pen basically is a bit more to it

11:20over that 15 years is there a moment in um the evolution of the black caps where you felt all that you've just talked about then was crystallized into you know a fantastic not necessarily a fantastic performance but just a time where you felt everyone was locked in had the same way of looking at the problem at the game and that you you just felt was like peak black caps really yeah um I think it there was some small steps along the way but I think um you know probably a celebration of that where all came together was probably the world test championship but I think if you go back from there there's some milestone games along the way where you know we we got our toe in the door and then we got a foot in the door and then you know we started moving on through so you know I think way back and we've seen these in um 2014 when we're in Barbados we won the series there you know we hadn't spoken about winning a series but you know we just went about our work and

12:22and I remember sitting in the change room after and you know BJ Watling said hey guess what we're now number four in the world you know um and it was like shit it's pretty cool and then you know there was I think you know going on through um UAE around the full-use test um that was obviously a very sad occasion you know we had a rest day with that game but I think it brought back to us what we're only playing a game there was bigger things in life than cricket and you know obviously the guy died um and so I thought you know the guy's there you talked a lot of them that played when we went back and played that third day off having a rest day um they played without a cure in the world um they involved bounces um things like but they just played with the total freedom and I guess you know that we carried that on into the 2015 World Cup and for a good period after that as well so I guess there's a little molts things along the way. Talk to us a bit a little bit about that

13:242015 World Cup because that to me a kind of really girl that's when I think truly galvanise the whole country and behind that team what was that what was that period like um with that group of players and the run they went on and the groundswell what was what was that like as a manager sitting back watching that. Yeah it was pretty bloody cool it was just an amazing time you know um yeah I think we all look back on that time with really fond memories um you know I think there's obviously you know going in there was probably a little bit of pressure to start with you know when we started that totally planned it home and things like that but I think um the way the team was approaching the game they're approachable um you know like well done by Brendan um we had some you know good young players coming through but we wanted to make sure that we we actually enjoyed it too and I think you know there's a catchphrase around the time the time your lives and you know things like it and it certainly was and I know that uh the part from you know I'm sure

14:24that wouldn't be sit back um and we have a you know a reunion one day or whatever we won't be talking too much about the cricket we'll be talking about the fun we had around the cricket and I think um that is always a good sign and uh you know but insane that if you do talk about cricket you know you can never forget that night at Eden Park um yeah that was just yeah like a moment we'll never forget and I was a member my enduring memory from that is you know when granted that six was the was the noise and the crowd that stood in the bait it's carried on and on and on and um yeah that roar was just an amazing experience I remember I'm doing Dan Vittori described that World Cup campaigners a basically a boys cricket tour with a bit of cricket a boys golf tour with a bit of cricket in the middle there was a lot of golf played on the jelly that yeah we had a we had an artillery for the cricket and we had lunch with the golf I think I seriously think Mike that that is Dan Vittori's job in Australia like he's over in

15:28the Australian team and I'm pretty sure his only job is to book the golf courses for the team and then they've given him some uh shit out title bowling coach or would he I don't know well I mean I don't want to teach him Pat Cummins but um I'm pretty sure will he does his book tea times what a job for him he's the perfect man for the job Mike you've touched on some of these I think some of the people as you've gone through but I'm curious about the the the um alchemy I guess between you know you as the manager and the different coaches and captains and how that's evolved over the over the different periods that you've been involved with different people and then maybe some of the things that have stayed a constant because I guess what I'm angling at there is you know we've talked on the BWC podcast about the stability of the environment you've touched on already today but also that um you know things have evolved but actually lots of the things about the black captain seem to be the same yeah and I guess that was um that was once so obviously started you know way back

16:32with John Wright was there when I first started and then obviously now through the role of Walter but I guess um we've once we've got our our environment right I think it was important that um the coaches that came in in a way um don't come in and just try and change things straight away and and they didn't so I think uh you know my job is is basically to smooth the transition of the coaches and the new staff in the environment as soon as we as possible and I guess tell them learn to trust the environment and you know I must say that you know over a period of time you know from his my cousin to you know Gary Stead um to Rob Baldwin all very different coaches but um they've all come in and and they've uh looked in the breeding environment they've got to know what it's like um you know they've listened been over a period of time you put your own spin on it anyway so I think the key to any environment is um it's not doing the same things over and over again

17:32and we're not doing the same things we did you know back in 2015 but um you just have to adapt slowly along the way to the environment and your Facebook and I think if you make a small adaption um all of a sudden over a period of time you make incremental change so that if you look back um yeah a lot of things are in my constant but you've kept pace with the current you know quick environment which is you know vastly different than what it was when I came in with the advent of franchise career I guess we need you I've got a smart ask question to throw on the end of that sorry DC I've got a smart ask question to throw on the end of that you know like when I hear you saying that and there's obviously lots of people that have been involved in the success of the black cats over the years um New Zealand's most famous Cricketing Policeman Shane Bond has got he's sort of a gun for hire around the world look Runky's gone off to be a um a coach obviously the players are going here they're in everywhere does Mike Sandle get IPL offers and get asked to go to join franchise teams for three months since like is that a thing? No I'm still waiting yeah available still waiting available but no like um I think it's really

18:40good opportunities for our players our coaches to do that because one of that's one of the things about adapting because um you know our players spread far and wide now out of our environment and so if our coaches get opportunities to go to those environments it actually asks the to adapt and help track our players around the world so Chris Donaldson our trainer for instance he's been uh the top cat and i-riders over the IPL now for a number of years and so you know every IPL Chris gets to see our players day in day out whenever they play uh opposite teams and things like that so it's really handy having um some of like him in the environment we've got our physio at the moment so for the CPL um as you say Ronk has just come back from the 100 and the Sun PSL and Jacob Warren was there as well so I think it's really good and it's good for us to have Kiwis in there such as you know he was over in India and of course you've had you know Dan play you know Hodger band and Stephen Fleming we've got a good Kiwi connection around the world um it's good to have that network as far as our player tracking and just keeping in touch with what's going on

19:45as well so you make use of your networks what do you what do you think it is about former New Zealand players that makes them such good coaches on the international stage because where I mean we have by far a skewed amount of coaches like like Brendan McCullum you got James Franklin's in the mix ever and Candy Cricket as well um kind of a Jenga Patel like you said he's so happy now you know you've got all these what what is what is what is that why is that I think it's um a bit of a dialogue on who we are is a race I reckon like I said before like we're adaptable we we're respectful of different people in different cultures we we fit in easily we don't judge uh you know things I think you know um as well as being the names you mentioned in pretty good cricket or something if you've got the backgrounds and and what I've just you know previously mentioned about just your character and who you are I think it goes along well and I think um you know he's illness pretty well respected around the cricket in

20:48world and I know that you know um we're often a lot of people sick and favourite team wherever we are and wherever we go people like to see the playcaps do well and they like our people I've just um thinking I've tub my head here we're at New Zealand cricket is a relatively unique situation where I think since Christoeg we've had Johnny F. Reed Martin Snedon Justin Vaughan David White Jeff Ellett Scott Winnick all CEOs that played the game to a high level pretty much all of them international apart from um Scott all of them would also I imagine have fairly fair ideas how cricket should be played and what should be going on do you sometimes find yourself a a buffer between the playing side of things and the administrative side of things yeah definitely I think that's um that's I think too I think you know not so for me but probably the coaches that we've had over the last few years as well we are a bit of a buffer in a filter um and I guess for us it's

21:51trying to keep people calm as well like I think you know we've always got to keep it on the big picture and not get too too wound up on short term results you know because then you make reactive decisions so I think you know sometimes it's made of reassurance and a reassuring words in that we're all like over on track and and with sport um you know you're going to have your good days in your bad days and unfortunately with cricket there's probably you know failure is something you have to get used to from time to time and it's probably a bit of a well time to time it's probably more a constant really all the way through and so I think yeah that's a good point Dylan is that you know you did has probably been out of what we do and as she'll in the team so to speak now what's harder Mike arresting criminals or dealing with a grumpy Tim Southe deal with the grumpy Tim Southe but only before Tim grumpy he was he was um Tim was always the

22:54odd little team man you know he yeah he always had the team's best interests at heart yeah and he went to amazing links for this team yet to me what do you the best is a test I was a massive pest like it's a it's a vibe guy it's a vibe guy but also massive pest yeah I might probably you know when I came in there was um Daniel for Tory and uh and he certainly took Tim under his wing um when it came to came to that yeah I'm fine I find it to take under his wing who did Tim take under his wing well he probably had a couple of she probably had Balty who he developed the quite cheeky when um when he was there and then uh you know then all of a sudden then you find that that he's been online for like Mitchell's that you know he um he's not scared to have a bit of a job yeah man I find it to him so the my interactions with Tim Southe are always like

23:57he's like a gatling gun of either insults or jabs at you like you come out and he's like ta ta ta ta ta you're like wow fuck it out like he's like he's like on the front foot he goes before you say anything and he just goes ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta so take shots to the body I say you finished have you finished yeah I'm done now thanks okay anyway um what's he we're looking back at to your your career what's your favorite what's your very favorite moment as a manager of the black caps um odd say uh going way back it'll be the test one on the hogar yeah in 2011 Dougie that is a little bit Doug Braiswell Memorial actually that was pretty cool and um yeah for a number of reasons and I think way back then was the way we were perceived with our public um was yeah I don't think was uh was that great I was member um we had Grant Betty the all-black winger

24:57yeah so we're in a that test match to Australia we got into presenter caps and um brisband and of course we got a lot of a thumping in that gavetest if you remember any way um so we fast forward to the hogar and we win the game and we're all having a few bears in the change of room and my phone goes and they're looking at scrap Betty and it walk out under the field turns to the call and um he rang up and he was so proud and he he said Mike um after I was in at the caps in uh brisband I got so much shit from all the whole black teammates saying what did you say to them things like that and he goes you know what I've rang every one of those bastards up tonight and I've got the straight and so um I was going to do that and yeah and the other thing I remember that test was uh just a cherylation but also when you're in Australia you drive around in minivan

26:00since we had four minivan's there my first thought was there's going to be alcohol um drivers how do we get these minivan's home so I'll think about the end of the night already so there was some security guards here and I went out the back of the stand and I did a cashy with four um four security guards and said you guys I'm just a bit of cash do you want to hang around for the night can you drive the same later and they said yes so then that was great and then we could all sit down and relax and enjoy the night um it was uh it was a heck of a time um but I probably one was just seeing what it meant to a lot of former New Zealand players um you know that would had a win over there for your first time in a long period of time uh to win that game so it was pretty special there's been other obviously massive highlights uh since then as well but I always remember probably that first major one was was pretty cool and what about toughest moment Mike I mean uh my thoughts immediately go to the broken state of Mike Lane post post 2019 World Cup uh where there are other where there are

27:02other broken people then or just Mike there's a lot of broken people then yeah like um yeah I guess you can never go past that that game can you really like um just for the drama that unfolded and everything throughout the day and the way it played out you know to get so close and to tie a game twice and then still lose and just so many twists and turns on the way and I never thought I'd pull credit again to find margins but there's so many fine margins on that day and even then I like I think if you think of um Lord's is always going to make memories and and that will always be a memory that I think every person that was there that day and every cubic supporter uh such as yourself Mike is probably going to invite certain emotions from time to time and it certainly does you know when even when back there recently you can't help but think about that day yeah yeah yeah go down a rabbit hole probably Eric and I go down the rabbit hole six to seven times a year and just try and change one thing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

28:06we've re-watched it a year later and I still thought we were going to win even I knew it was a replay yeah balty great slow ball great slow bounce uh yes even knowing you're a result Jesus it wasn't period of time your beyond online or something that just pop up wouldn't it yeah yeah and you had to step bloody try next out of there as soon as you could totally uh you've obviously been on deck for some amazing moments with the black caps um Mike and do you have when you look at this current team do you do you see some familiar DNA do you do you dare to dream about the the feeling that you might be having at the end of the Sydney test match in January yeah look um I think you always you know you always I'm an optimist and you always dare to dream I guess but I guess um one of the most pleasing things for me was um they're just completed tests at the oval um sorry not the oval Trent Bridges the third test you know when uh you know can't obviously retired um and I guess can't wasn't there for also for the Indian series as well

29:08that we won over there so it's almost like showing that you know the the batter in this passing on that I guess um the way that what was thrown at us at Trent Bridge um you know towards end of that test uh with injuries and and the way they're on Mitchell battered and everything else really did give me a lot of hope that you know there's that DNA is still there and I just think that was really clear illustration to everybody watching that game of the DNA of this team and what it's all about and that some of that and transact stuff that is carried on through then we've spoken about you know since before 2015 that continues on was still there um and I think there was a there was a real key moment for us just the way we we won that game in the one that series and come back from being won down a lot how I guess when you're over there did you get a chance to talk to Brendan and perhaps um have you booked in a week at Noosa in between the second and third test? I actually said that uh yeah we uh we're here to sort of time off between um

30:12those tests yeah and I actually uh put a bit of a scare and so will he uh media boy and said oh we're gonna we're off over to Paris for a couple of days and we're yeah thanks to Nancy and my I'll just have it alone yeah but um but you know I think you know it's um there's that time it was really good for us during that second and third test where a few families over there um and I think it's always good to get out of the cricket bubbles for a few days and go and do a bit of family stuff and um yeah I think we had 16 kids on tour that point so um you know the guys were going to play and going to Harry Styles concerts and you know things like that which was actually quite different so yeah how was it like been on the other side of the boundary rope when that circus unfolded uh on day four and five of that last test match obviously Stokes announcement the whole the whole hullabaloo around that how did you we involved in kind of keeping the team focused or you just sitting back going just like like the audience doing like what else going on what are these guys doing?

31:16I think I think we're all just sitting back and looking at it really like um like we hear I guess got a little bit of a heads up that something was going to happen um but there was no certainly it was going to happen so you know you just got let it play out through the afternoon as poor exact folks found that you know he's facing that ball and um you know when it was announced and so it was a you know surprise the love of our players and then from I guess that point uh things did play out you know and I guess um you know that that whole test I'll have really far memories just the way the guys thought that then what happened at the end of it you know was was pretty incredible and just the way the guys didn't get tied up and what was happening around them yeah and you know were actually um we're bowling we're on our knees at one point you know when Ben Sears couldn't bowl because he got you know whacked on the finger when he was batting um so you know obviously blood was coming through the dressing so he couldn't bowl um will I rock you know first ball back

32:21you know um flick the finger as well um so he couldn't bowl swear that two paste bowlers out um the exact folks was holding together all of the hamstring um so you sort of thinking of the head you know got through that night maybe you know one one or two down what could happen next day but um I guess you know it was crooked on fast forward there for an hour and we were lucky enough to get those wickets and um it was a short day next day yeah who's a good skipper who's that good skipper yeah um it's got better it's a bit of a comment that's a hamish and calibre so we got two two young media leds there in hamish they love pushing the boundaries and I guess I'm a bit of a I like to try and protect the change room a little bit and so it's quite funny and I feel like a bit of a dad sometimes when I try to you know pull it with your gadgets and change your room and I'm gonna like you know like it's the last place the players have actually got a bit of it's a there's you know so but I thought no um you know I think it's a good good one to do this one

33:21and I think you know if the players are on board and I think it's gonna be good so they they wake it up there and I think you got some pretty good footage oh yeah when the in the lands came in that was great that was that was um good call on that because it really showed what kind of what kind of team it was and what kind of team environment it was you know we've got ravishing Rick coming in going who's a good skipper and then Nathan Smith going who's on chance like it could it could be any club cricket or last man stands team coming in off on a Thursday night like that's what that's what made it so special so yeah good call get it yeah yeah when you're in the change room as well it was well you know like um you see every everybody's got it yeah sink proceeds you know in the in the change room and that trend for sure was a very small change room because they were doing alterations the ones on the other side of the ground so that um you know we're basically right next to England and as the hospitalities we that were using as that change room so there was like yeah toilets out the back and everything else so

34:24it's very much a bit of a club field trip now that's why that's why Tickner ended up in the urinal next to Joffa Archer I mean there's all sorts of issues about urinating next to Joffa Archer but that's how they we're not even going to start with the hospitality at the hospital yeah yeah yeah which took its own prison it's there in that as well I had I had one final final question for you Mike if you're a if you're a young manager maybe like Dylan Cleaver you know I would want to be professional sports team manager and he asked you you know what actually matters in the job well what are the what are the couple of things that you might tell him um I just think um been available as a big thing like like yes uh cricket is quite unique to a lot of other sports than that the vast amount of time are away so um you know when you're when you're away from home and sometimes you're away from home for 250 to you know 300 days a year it can be in a bad year for team does become your family and I guess um you know you think over 300 days or 250 days

35:30of your just at home and I'm in your plummet and Dylan's and your plummet and you know you're the things that happen during that time um and you've got your support network around you see you can just jump into your car and you know maybe ring out your best mate gonna be or you know gonna have your have a chat to your man or whatever um players when you're away your your isolated so to speak and so very quickly sport problems can become big problems you can jump at shadows a little bit and we'll probably see things that aren't there you know jump at shadows a bit um so always like to sort of be available um and I might have all the answers but I can certainly facilitate um you know it's all like within a lobby of a hotel um because you know I hate locking myself away but it allows me to see every person in the team every day away from the cricket environment and just allows you to keep a pulse on the team so I think um just try to keep things real communication is really important um and yeah having an environment where you have some fun because I think a key of a good environment is being able to relieve pressure because

36:34players and coaches get pressure through performance and so when you're away from cricket um and back at the hotel and traveling you actually want to be able to switch off and enjoy yourself a little bit um and I think if you can do that you're going to get a bit of quality trainings and better quality performances by having a probably clear clear top two inches and at least uh fuzz around you yeah there you go Dylan take that on board I'm taking the one on board I'm not suited to their job yeah you can have a few changes that's the rostling we've not told you all we love touring but now we travel like the coffee machines best thing we have when you're to um yeah yeah yeah and uh and it's very easy to get judged you're like I normally go and hang around long enough someone to make me a coffee yeah right your own you seem to get judged pretty cook about how what your skills are like yeah um it's it's uh people go and sit never out even drinking coffee it's heavy yarn it's uh it's a it's a focal point of the team in your way yeah like a watercool yeah Blair Techno was he was getting pretty angry actually because um

37:36there's a lot of a few people in there I think he might have even had a swipe at Kane Williams and he had a swipe he had a swipe at he had a swipe at the great man saying that he just took for an age to make his coffee because he was he was pretty much drawing the Mona Lisa on the the foam uh on the top of his coffee and obviously Blair Techno been a cafe owner was like make get the fuck out of here like I could have made 15 coffees by now and there were people waiting so I could imagine there's a the the rip shit and bust nature of Blair Techno what have I gotten the way of the meticulous Kane Williamson um thanks for the great man's there's any technical issues with the coffee machine he's the man with the tools and the knowledge and they had to fix it up I could imagine I could imagine if you had to if you had to shoot one Mary one kill one at a at your black cab is it out of our cricket coffee and golf where does it go um I'll probably shoot the golf yes Mary the cricket yeah yeah was ill shake the coffee yeah it's dangerous with the steamer uh

38:42hey Mike Mike send all thanks so much for joining the BYC podcast tickets on sale for the summer of cricket uh through cricket nation at the moment they're flying out the door uh with this Indian series it's a full tour from India we've got ODI's T20's test matches uh and then Sri Lanka after that uh Aussie series for four test matches and Aussie um coming up thanks for much for joining us give us your time uh and we'll see you around the traps this summer hopefully