FRL 1,207 - Remembering Bobby Douglas + Ranking Series Chaos + NCAA Champ Predictions

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1:03impact on the sport, and we have some people that are going to join this show at the top. We're going to have C on Williams. He's here right now. We're going to have Michigan coach Kevin Jackson join this show as well later to discuss Coach Douglas. First off, join us from California. He's at the California State Tournament. C on Williams. C on how you doing, buddy? Very good. You know, CPNM said I was in my room and a computer, said to wife, I wasn't good enough. So I had to jump on my cell phone and walk outside of the hotel, and then I got outside, standing outside right now, and then I realized, you know what? I'm still in my box, you're short. I didn't even put shorts on yet since it's six o'clock in the morning here. Good thing there ain't nobody walking around out here with me, standing out here in my box, you're short. You know what? I like to think that Bobby is probably laughing at that right now. C on. And I got to take a seat on it. It could be worse. I'm telling you, it could be worse, just from personal experience. That's true.

2:04I made sure I got my key, though, so at least I can know how to get back in the room. That's good. You are several, you're miles ahead of David Bray. What we'll see on first off condolences, I know Bobby was, you know, much more than the coach to you. I guess where to start, just the impact that Bobby had on your life specifically. Maybe your story. How you kind of got to Iowa State, I think people know mostly that, but just how he kept you around the program, you stayed around the program and how that was, had an impact on you. Well, you know, everybody knew I wanted to be, well, thought I wanted to be a Hawkeye, you know, but they say the wind blows you in the direction you need to go. I was blown to Ames, you know, so I ended up a cyclone. Not by choice, but by, I guess destiny, you could say, I got there. I went and walked out for the team. I thought I was a good wrestler and then I found out I was not a good wrestler. I was not a decent wrestler. Heck, I was a terrible wrestler.

3:05But the first year I walked in the room after the first couple of weeks, I remember going up there and Cody Sanderson, I said, Cody Sanderson will tell the story like the first time he met me, he's like, you see this guy wearing a full blue, full sweatsuit, jumpsuit, basic jumpsuit, like, why is this guy out here running the stadium practice in a full jumpsuit? I didn't really like shorts and I think I was wearing one of those, like, you know, not really a running shoes, one of those tracks sneakers. It seems like it would have to be a short tee now, but not really, I still don't really have a short much. So one of the things, yeah, I mean, my boxers outside of a hotel right now, but one of the things like, you know, I thought I was good and Bobby was like, son, you don't have the experience, yeah, he cuts me from the team. I'm like, that's okay. I just came all the way to Iowa to get cut from the team, I was like, okay, signed up

4:07dropping down a part-time student, established in residency in Iowa, so I could get in state tuition, working food service and made friends with some of the teams and work out with the guys. And I went back the second year, okay, I said, like, you know, I'm good now. I mean, I mean, I was working out with like Ben Perkins was like, one of the came good friends, Corey Stevenson, those guys, so they started teaching me stuff. The next year I went back in, after a couple of weeks, Bobby goes, yes, son, we're going to cut you. You're not getting up to the team, I'm like, crap, I got cut again, so I just kept showing up the practice and Bobby, one day Bobby's like, hey, want to be the manager on the team? Like, you know, we'll pay you some money, we'll be the manager on the team. I was like, okay, cool coach. The next day I show up the practice in 6 a.m. anyway, and coach is like, see, you don't have to practice, I'm like, I'm good coach. Next week I show up the practice, like all the time, every day I show up the practice on time. So one day Bobby goes, hey, come here, he's like, you're not going to give up bar, you're like, no coach, he's like, go and I'll see us and get you a gear, you're on the team. So you know, I ended up being with the team from what, 96 to 2011 through three coaches.

5:11But Bobby is one of those coaches, like I said, he gives you an opportunity, he sees that you're trying, you get the opportunity. I mean, I had that first year, I gave him a lot of reasons to cut me. I had a public in talks. I think a bunch of coaches, guys got in trouble that year. I mean, I got a public in talks, a couple of other guys got one guy beat up an elevator, beat up a student an elevator, another guy, hip toss the police officer by accident, undercover cops on a couple of guys, different around. He got a host. We get it. So yeah, it was a bad year, it was a bad, it was a bad, it was a bad, like, term there and like, you know, as the lowest men on the total pool, I'm like, I am definitely getting a job from the team. His son called me like the Sunday after I got arrested and I see him, you got arrested the last night, I was like, how do you know, it's like, my mom saw the paper, she likes it, she won't tell my dad, I'm like, okay, cool, once went by and then Ortiz came and pulled me out of practice one day, I was like, see him, did you get arrested a few months

6:13back? Like, yeah, it was like, you know, at that department, I have people like read the paper for those, right? Like, no, you're like, yeah, I think you better hear it, you better hear it, Bobby, you need to tell Bobby, instead of me telling him, the next day, I'm like, you know, I don't know if you look at Bobby's face, he has that stare. Like, first year, I didn't even, I couldn't look the man in the eye the first year. So the next day, I had to be in the locker room, everybody knew I had to talk to Bobby about that. I'm sitting down, the locker room clear out, like, ain't coach, I got something I got to say is like, I got arrested a couple of months back, he goes, yeah, I know, I read the paper. He said, you're a good kid. Just don't let it happen again. Like, that's an opportunity there. I mean, I wasn't a good, I wasn't a good wrestler. I wasn't much of an asset to the team at the moment. I could easily have been a sacrificial lamb, somebody kicked off the team, but he gave me the opportunity. And then from there on, you know, I think at the end of that season, after taking a whole year of butt-wooping in the wrestling room, it's like, yeah, I'm done. And then Bobby pulled me aside, he's like, what are you doing? You're quitting?

7:13It's like, yeah, I think I'm done. I'm going to go back to New York City. It's like, why? It's like, you know, you'll never be a superstar here. You'll never be a starter here. You'll probably never be on the mat in a real-do meet here. But, you know, you're one of those kids that the world needs. That's going to do something special in the world of wrestling. You know, you're not meant to be a superstar, but you're meant to do other things to help wrestling. And then, you know, that kind of motivated me to stick around. I took another four years of butt-wooping, being, I always tell people, Ben Schwarmer, the guy that threw out there, when the starters come off the mat to like, you know, roll around and make sure they have dry spots to go back out there. But it's, he built, Bobby actually built more of a family in that room, you know. He never put anybody down. You know, you all say, my name, I was bad at names. Ha! Bobby was the worst with names. Ha! Yeah. There's an example where, like, literally, I think, uh, Woodley Malored, like, his name

8:17is Woodley. We called him Willie for, like, the first six months because Bobby called him Willie the first day and the guy answered to Willie for six months. Or Bobby's, there's this one day I was looking at the rust and like, who's, who's, who's Woodley? He goes, me. He's like, I don't even know what's Willie. Well, everybody called me Willie and I just answered to Willie, like, okay. Or Bobby's the worst, he was, like, just terrible names or even, like, there was four percent living in the house. And like, Bobby had a habit, like, I have to practice to call guys and like, hey, uh, what do you all think of today's practice? And then one day he called, he talked to Dwight Hansen, like, okay, cool, hang out the phone, call right back. And then he'll talk to Zach Thompson, hang out the phone, and he called after the third couple of days, like, man, hey, who else lived in that house? Like, I think the man, like, he dialed the number, same number three times before he noticed he was calling the same number. That's funny. Yeah. He was like, I, he was, he cared, he generally cared about his athletes, you know, um, he

9:20was about winning, but he was all more about forming young men that could do good things in the world. And that's what the world lost is a coach that cared about his athletes, cared about the sports. Um, he's done so much for the sport that the world don't even know or he, he is, I always felt it. And not just me, I think a lot of the guys always felt, he just never got the recognition. He deserved as a coach and, you know, it's, it's a sad thing that, you know, there's no real documentary on the Bobby Douglas story. I know we tried to do one with Vader a couple of years back, but you know, Kobe kind of disrupted that. So it's a chance we, it's an opportunity we miss to have him sit out and talk to the world and tell his story. Um, it's, but now we, that story has to be told by all the athletes that he infected on and off the mat throughout his life. And, uh, he did a big thing for me, like, uh, in 2000, when I was about done with school 2000, 2001, my younger brother in New York City was getting in trouble, failed every class

10:22is freshman year of high school, except for Jim. Jim, I don't think freshman year of high school is that bad. My mom is like, she sent them to Jamaica to go live with some family members and get them back on track. I was like, yeah, my brother's an idiot. You send them to Jamaica. He's going to get killed. He's going to be in the wrong crowd. He's going to get killed. I took custody of him and he moved to Iowa and I was like, okay, I have no money. I'm, I can't leave Iowa now. I got to stick around and then Bobby was like, well, what are you going to do? I got to find the job. He goes, well, let me, he's like, let me look at the budget. So he, like, he put $15,000 in the budget and that was my pay, uh, if that was done to come become the manager, you know, I did things for the team, helped out, whatever was done with the team and then live with my brother and then live with three other wrestlers. So it was like 250 for a piece for rent. So I had enough money for food. I had enough money for rent. Take care of my brother and, uh, playing the money to go to the bars every night or not every night. You know, back then. But yeah. But those don't get enough money to party and live good.

11:22I thought 15,000. There was a lot of money back then. Now days, I don't think that pays one month of bills anymore. But those are the things he did, you know, he, he didn't have to help me. He didn't have to, you know, like I said, I was not a superstar, but I ended up being around the program. Like I said, from 96 to 2010, I was there with Bobby, Kale came on, Kale kept me around. Uh, K, KJ came on KJ kept me around, you know, and I'm thinking in the state in my path where I'm at flow, where, you know, I'm still around, even though CP keeps trying to kick me out the show. Uh, I'm still around. Get rid of him. Greg. Well, we're glad you're here on the other day. That's right. They pay $20. It's just, it's just to not hear you. No, um, where do you think you'd be without Coach Douglas? You know, that's a good question. Without Coach Douglas, I'll probably just be another bum and going back to New York City. You know, a lot of the guys I graduated with a high school with, you know, they still

12:25live in the same apartment building, the same neighborhood in the projects that they grew up in, you know, three doors down in the same apartment, it's where their mother lived that they live in now, you know. I think me going to Iowa State, even though by mistake was meant to happen because without it, I can't, I can't tell you where I think I'd be right now. I know my brother definitely wouldn't have been in the situation, a good situation because he would have ended up in Jamaica. So like a lot of things happen because I ended up with Iowa State and Bobby gave me a chance and allowed me to help my brother later on in life. You know, Bobby was a ground breaker for the sport of wrestling. He was the first black American to wrestle at the Olympic Games. He shared many anecdotes about, you know, coming up in the sport from Ohio and then went to West Liberty and West Virginia, Oklahoma State, did he share much about, you know, coming up in wrestling at the time he did? You know, Bobby was a black athletes, which was still, you know, back then it was still

13:30a hard thing to black athletes. So, you know, he faced a lot of challenges and the one thing you always said, you know, he faced the challenges, but he knew he had a path and he's like, I wasn't going to give up. He's like, you know, a lot of coaches gave him reasons to give up. And I think that's what kind of shaped him to make sure that young people don't give up because he had to face, I'm going to say the racism and the challenges that was out there at the time because that's the type of world it was back then. And, you know, from, I think he told the story at one point like when he was done, Oklahoma State wasn't going to pace tuition, but he argued with them. And then they was able to finish, get his, to last year college paid for and get his degree because it was about never giving up and never accepting no, so to accomplish the goals that he needed to accomplish. That's great. Well, see on it, it's been good having you on. I thought it was very fitting that you would be on the show, of course, KJ going to be coming on very soon after, but anything else before we, before we let you go put some

14:32pants on. Yeah, you know, I'm working on some things here, you know, about like trying to get some pins or some lapels or something to put on, get to all the coaches or NCAA so that we could wear something to honor them at NCAA. So working on some things there, so I'll have something available like for people who interested, like some pins for all the coaches and all the staff members at NCAA's that I'm going to be there to make sure we're honoring Bobby at the biggest weekend of the college season. Yeah, I hope that happens. Maybe Fanny Pax. He was famous for the. And I lost your volume again, C.P. Oh, no. You lost. All right. I'm going to put some pants on. I don't know why. All right. But right at the buzzer. I was going to ask him something. You know, Bobby carried the Fanny Pax and it was always like a lower, what was in the Fanny? You were around him a little bit. Yeah. So C.On mentioned him Dwight Henson. That was my club coach growing up. He was teammates. I was C.On at Iowa State and especially after he retired from from coach and every now

15:39and then he'd pop in to the Central High Wrestling Club and run a practice, real, real old school. Yeah. You know, at this point, he was not the most mobile. So he wasn't getting down and showing any technique. But he was a big point with the foot guy like, all right, now put your hand here, and everything was a tackle. It was a double leg tackle, like not a shot, not a takedown, just tackle. Come in and his, his coonskin hat and his ugly boots and his Fanny, he was an ugly boots guy, but before they were like, before they were cool, he'd have to go that hard on him. He would get fits off. Awesome. Okay. We'll K.J.O be on, I think at the probably the next 10 minutes, but to fill some time, do we want to talk ranking series in C.A. Well, where do you think we should go? Let's talk ranking series, because ranking series has been really interesting. Extremely. The past of the days, there's a lot to take away. Let's start with the guys who wrestled yesterday, Spencer, Spencer Lee.

16:42What did you think of his performance? I thought he looked fantastic. You know, his semi-final, I thought was the most interesting, because every now and again, Spencer will just get his doors blown off on a shot and just get, I mean, it doesn't happen much, but sometimes he's just, I don't know if he's just not ready, nice stance, but it's, you know, he gets forward by horse layer, you know, immediately and then just a single leg part-air offense looked fantastic as it usually does, but I thought it looked especially unstoppable. I think the biggest, the thing I like the most is attacking both sides. He was hitting a single consistently, his high-crouch really consistently. I love that he's got two back-to-back solid tournaments. I say solid and in level of competition, I think he competed much better than solid. But you can't be anything but after the World Championship, after the RAF pin, you're like, what is going on? It's like, okay, it's still Spencer, and he's still, you know, maybe the best 57 in the

17:48world, he's got to prove it, and I think he's right on the precipice of doing just that this year. Yeah, I agree, super-press. Horse layer did have us in the first half. When he came off and forwarded him right away, I was like, oh no, it's like, what the heck? And then Spencer immediately responds with take-down lay-slay-slay-slay-slay-slay, and it was like, all right, never mind. His turn is like, obviously he's got the lace, he's got a really good cut, but he just, the guy's post arm, he can just like chop and roll, I mean, he makes it. It looks way easier than it should when he's really wrestling. And horse is a huge 57. He's tall and strong, quite a bit taller than Spencer. So you're like, oh man, maybe this guy can actually match Spencer's freak strength and power and athleticism. Oh no, he can't. He had it all. Yeah, very excited about Spencer. Moving up. Vito Urugiao. What do we think of Vito at 65 kilograms? I mean, this was not the debut you were probably hoping for.

18:51You know, the way he lost that first match, giving up 18 points, you know, to a guy that doesn't have the credentials that Vito does, and then, you know, kind of gives up some points. He's always going to be able to score, I think, at any level. I think if you look at him throughout his career, he has been a guy that gives up points, right? And that's been a thing that's hurt him in the past. I was, honestly, when I heard he was moving up, I was pretty, you know, bearish. I was like, I don't know. I feel like 61 is still probably his best weight. And I think he's going to have a hard time making it to two final X. I mean, he's got to win the US Open. I think we're really deep at 65, and I know that sounds weird because we haven't placed very much, but we did last year, and I think that kind of demonstrates, like, there's a lot of guys that could represent Team USA. And I think he's got a little bit to go to do that. I think you can't give up points like that and run a gauntlet.

19:55He's got to keep ties off his legs a little more consistently. So yeah, I was pretty, you know, he's still great, but to make the team, he's going to have to be much better than he showed. This was first time up, and 67 kilos, this is plus two. So take that for what it's worth, but yeah, I mean, he's not the same as he was at 61. Yeah. Obviously, maybe he can figure it out, 65, it's kind of like, okay, I mean, could he beat Joy McKenna? Maybe? You know, and he's only going to have to beat him once, right? Could he beat Jesse Mendes? I don't know. Jesse Bo Bartlett, Bo Bassett, Aiden Valencia, Luke Stanich, there's so many guys. That's the thing. It's like, could he beat all of those on his best, like, on a shirt? But can he run that gauntlet and beat what, three of those guys, just for the opportunity to make it to real world? Yeah.

20:55There's names I'm forgetting that I'm sure are going to, you know, emerge and be challenged. It's going to be tough for him to do it. You know, this is one thing you do need to remember, and I need to, you know, remind myself, is like, this is a long-term decision. This is something with 2028 in mind. You know, he didn't move up to 65 in 2026, solely like, this is all about winning the World Championships in 2026. So I'm acknowledging that that's also the case, but still, you know, reluctant to predict. I would be interested to know if he would have made this decision to move up several years before the Olympics if he didn't already have a world title. You wonder that. Right? If he's like, I got my world title now, it's time for Olympics versus I need that, that world title before I move on to the Olympics. Yeah, watching that match, the semi-wary lost yesterday, you know, definitely, he seemed

21:56smaller and he seemed like not as fast as he normally is, given up to legs so much. But the other thing, it, like, just tactically at the end, just seemed like a lapse and I don't know if that was tactics or just a, you know, mental lapse or whatever. But the good thing for Vito is he's gone through this transformation before where things aren't clicking, he's, you know, feels like he's blowing it in some matches and he was able to, like, do a lot of work on the mental side of things and turn things around. And so if you are Vito, you have that experience to rely on and go back to him. So that's where, like, if you're Vito or if you're Cornell, you're probably, like, hey, let's remember, like, what kind of transformation you had to do back before you won your first title. And so that's in there somewhere, you know, it's like, can you get it out of there again? That's going to be what we'll find out, I think. Boom forward to today. I guess it's kind of a Kyle date. Well, I was going to say both the Kyle's. It's just been a bad week to be a Kyle. But Kyle Dake loses, I think, his round of 16 match before coming back for bronze.

23:03What is it? Is it the move up in weight? Is it father time catching up with Kyle? I think he lost the two really good guys. Many people think Cagia is going to win world this year at 86. He DNPed last year, lost the tight one to gas and pour, see, he beats gas and pour. So he DNPs. I would say, you know, I actually think Kyle didn't look far off in his losses to me. And if those were the best guys in the world and, like, Dejou of, that's a guy that beat Trent last year. He was, I think, world bronze at 92. Guys, really good. He just beat, sorry, he's getting a little naming it. But Dejou of is the guy, he just beat Gamke Khalidzi, who just texts Zaheed. So they're all in the kind of the same sort of stratum tier because really, when you talk about Kyle Dake right now, until he makes the team, it's really, you're thinking about Team USA, okay?

24:03How is he going to get back to Final X against Zaheed? How is he going to beat Zaheed? Those are the topics on your mind. And so right now, you're thinking about Parker, Keck Eisen, and some of the other guys at 86. And you're thinking about Zaheed. Well, Zaheed's not having his best day either, you know, a week ago, he did not look for two weeks. He did not look great either. So I think, I actually thought Dake looked good. I thought he looked more active. I thought he looked bigger. I thought his leg attacks looked really nice. For him, and, you know, maybe I sound like a broken record and it's like, oh, yeah, easy to say, work on your, your headhands, but he cannot like guys in on his legs the way he used to. And I don't think he's intentionally, he's not like been asking and drawing them into the legs and then torturing them, but they, Kojit was able to get to that high crotch really consistently. And what we're, what you saw there is like, he went to the crackdown kind of thing. And the way Kojit was able to finish, he finished so tight around the waist, the gut was already there and he was going.

25:04So people were like, well, why is he getting turned? He didn't turn down and fight the initial take down and it worked perfectly into Kadyev's, you know, part-air offense. So for Dake, I think you take a lot of positives from it, not metal. I mean, to show him almost blew it at the end there. He almost, Dake all but got that too. Who's the right call? Dake didn't have the two, but he was really close to scoring that. He beat Saipu Noth, who's really tough. He beat another solid guy in Repashash. So I think, yet, Kojit Dake losing twice in a tournament, how many times has that happened? I don't know. But I don't think that's ever happened in an international tournament. I'm not going to ask him, but I would guess it's not happening. He lost a Gadsie at like 70, 74 kilos when he was first set of. You're Egan. Yeah, but I don't think was that finals or like first round, I think Gadsie, he lost, but yeah, part of that's Repashash too, or maybe he would have.

26:04So I thought, I'm not selling any Kyle Dake stock. I'm glad he wrestled. I think he's going to be, he's my pick to make it to Final X right now. I know Parker's doing what he's doing, but, and I'm impressed by it certainly. But I think Dake is going to make it to Zaheed and who knows what happens there. Right. Now let's talk Kyle Snyder. Kyle Snyder gets teched in his quarter final today, denying us round five of Snatchelive, man, I'll tell you what, that's okay, based on the way Sadgelive looks right now, don't, you don't want, no one wants to wrestle this guy. Well, he's going to lose now that I've said that, but I think Sadgelive looks unbelievable right now. Saddy Cakes is so back, but there was a couple years there where he was super chest wrap reliant. He kind of sloppy, just like his body just didn't look. And now he's looking like 2016, Sadgelive.

27:07He's just carrying people. He's still hitting the chest wrap. He's going like firemans, got wrenches, everything. He's putting points on the board, tech and dudes. And he looks also what's impressive, super athletic. Yes. Like he's floating good. He's looking nimble. That's the thing with Kyle, Kyle right now, not that he's ever been super nimble and everything, but he just looks stiff out there. Yeah, it looks like his whole game plan is either step in single or just drive you out of bounds. Yeah, I mean, he won a world title a year ago, less than a year ago. And he won some matches like that, but you think about like the, uh, you shoot a match where yet he showed like some real agility, some scrambling there and was able to win that match, too. But yeah, he does have like kind of a set specific mode. And to be fair, he was up for two in the second period.

28:07And then the win, I forget the guy's name. Uh, client, right? Or, yeah, that's right. Uh, can I have was just able to get to his legs and and just had a hard time stopping him, especially when, when he got lifted. So I mean, it wasn't a great, great performance by, by Kyle, by any stretch, but I would not write, I would not consider this a match that he can't win. Now, I don't know if his guy, if can I have won his semi or not? I think that, that's happened at this point, but I don't know what happened because we've been doing the show. But hopefully Kyle gets some repushage opportunity to wrestle a little more. Um, and Kyle's always been a guy who takes losses in, in season. So, um, he's still, I think a massive favorite to make the team. And if he makes a team, he's a metal threat. If Sadja lives there, which seems like he should be there, uh, given ball range, should not have, uh, restrictions to, to keep him out like, like Croatia did.

29:10I don't think anyone's beaten that guy, but that's okay. Like he's the greatest of all time, very, very possibly, almost likely, you know, and who knows, knows how much longer he's going to go too. Seeing this though, did make me think, wow, Aaron Brooks blew it with this drug test because I, Olympic version of Aaron Brooks wrestles this version of Kyle Snyder, give me Aaron Brooks. I think that's conventional thought. I don't disagree with it. I think, um, it's one of those hypotheticals that it's easy to draw that conclusion. I don't, I don't disagree at all. I think Aaron can, can definitely contend with, with, uh, with Kyle. And he would probably be my pick, but now we're not going to see him till really the 28 season. Right. Right. So, um, the real question is, does anyone else enter that conversation, right? Can you can and be can and's interesting, uh, interesting.

30:12You know, I mean, the guy can get the legs. He's, he's, I think he's going to be big enough. You know, you wonder about 197s up to 97 kilos. That's a 16 pound jump, something like that. That's not insignificant, but, um, you can't look, he looked good sized, but, uh, in the last ranking series. So I'm not writing them off. And who knows who else is going to step into that conversation. Um, but yeah, I mean, we always hypothesize about who can knock out Kyle. It just doesn't happen. And that's not just doesn't happen. But then also 90% time he goes and wins a medal. Right. So, right. If you're putting your money on a safe bet, it's probably Kyle Snyder team, Kyle Snyder medal. Yes. So, but interesting. Fall, uh, heavyweight, just this morning, Mason, Paris, Tex, Wyatt Hendrix, and in there, it was at the quarter of the semi, the semi semi. Yeah. I mean, I think we're not going to have a read on this going in to the open, going into,

31:17I think final X, that'll be the final X matchup as well. I think both of these guys, we've seen such variance, such, I mean, there's times where you're like, these guys give up so many points. Oh my gosh. And then, you know, you thought after a raft, like, okay, maybe why it's, you know, Mason took like a year off and he was out of the mix. And maybe that really set him back. And then he looked fantastic here. He looked like the Mason of old. Why it didn't look bad by any stretch. He looked good early. He's still, um, I just think it's really good. It's, uh, this is a cop out. I don't say as much, but I think what it is to, it just depends on the day and how they're feeling like they just seem, but not super consistent competitors, right? They're both high, high level, but I don't know how you explain Mason's, uh, raft performance, how you explain why it's world championship performance based on all the other things we've seen them do. So it's just too tough guys to get a read on in my opinion.

32:19It's partially also just the way they wrestle is so chaotic. So, okay, if you're going to create all that chaos in those wrestling positions, and you're going to win six or seven out of 10 times, but those three times just happen to be in the same match that day. It just look can look way worse. That's, that's the other thing too, JD. It's like a lot of this is kind of a byproduct of freestyle where things that are contested and kind of close can look way worse because he's like, well, he got text, but it's a relatively competitive match. Just like the Snyder match was competitive and then it got bad right at the end. In a folk style match, it's like, oh, you got taken down and written out at the end. In freestyle, it's, it can catastrophize quickly. Hey, just thinking about freestyle folks on, I don't know, there's not much else to touch on here so far. Yeah, I'm trying to think other rankings stuff. We do have one super chat here freestyle related question.

33:20After we were talking about Vito, we had a super chat from our guy, Joe MC, 6828, not to be confused with the other Joe MCs, and he wants to know what chances Jesse Mendes has of the Olympics. So let's just say he makes the team. How good can this guy do? It's six if you make the team USA at 65 kilos, you have a very good shot of winning a medal. If not, maybe even look at what real Woods did. He lost in our process this year and then won the process. Obviously, but then brought home a medal now. And I, okay, 65 is not what it used to be. You know, eight years ago, but it's still very deep. So also, it's, you're not a lot. It's not 97 kilograms where if you make the team, you're bringing home hardware. So you can, you can go one in one, but you can also bring home a medal. Yeah, I mean, I think as far as like just overall prospects go, Jesse's,

34:21I mean, he's out there for 65. When you think talent, right age, right size, pedigree, whatever you want to call it, like, Jesse is maybe the first, if he, all right, let's put it this way. If you had to do a draft for 65 Olympic team trials, placements, who's the first overall pick? Who's the pick off the board? Jesse, yeah, you're on Jesse, Jesse. It's also, let's say in this hypothetical scenario, real woods, wins, the Olympic trials or whatever. It's going to feel kind of like a Frank Mollinero or deal. Maybe that's a little bit dramatic. Not at this point. He's literally one of world bronze. I don't think so. That's true, but even now, it's almost like if I, if you just send them to an international tournament right now, if I don't know, just based on the variance in real performances and outcomes, I'm like, I would like our chances with Jesse better.

35:22I feel like, yeah, I understand that. Now, maybe real could go and win it this year and then maybe my opinion changes. The real question on the, on 65, because, you know, that's 2028 discussion. If it's the Olympics, well, we can say, yeah, Jesse Mendez, but Jack Marcus blaze, bobas at Jack's forest, they all have their eyes set on this way cause I don't think, I don't see Jack's going down to 57. I think that's assured. Marcus, same thing. Marcus already dipped his toe, made the national team at 65. So you've got to figure if it's not this year, they're very soon going to make their step up to 65. And there are guys, I mean, Marcus and Jesse were extremely close at the world team trials. That was, Jesse got, I think it was a one take down match. And Marcus was still in high school at that point in time. So it would stay in the reason Marcus is going to get better. So I feel like I'm like, I'm not backtracking on what I'm saying,

36:23because I feel like Jesse's got better since that match as well. But there's, that's going to get really crowded. That feels going to be insane. It's going to be awesome. And like, I know Brock Hardy was just on the beta show. He said he's locked in and he's, you know, he had a pretty decent year of freestyle without having trained much freestyle. You got, you know, Sergio Vegas, like, shown glimpses. And you got to imagine he's going to be throwing his hat in the ring. That's, there's a bunch of good guys that are going to be in that bracket. So we were the fun. Absolutely. I was just thinking, neither of you guys were on the show last time or, we talked about it after. But I don't know if you heard, Bray, I had a dumb rule, dumb take idea. OK, I have this past weekend that I want to get your opinion on. Let's see just how dumb this is. If you have one second of writing time, you get your writing time point. You don't have to earn a minute. So one second advantage. It's like, it's like how it is in writeouts. It's just like, if you're up by one second, yeah, sure.

37:25And if not, if no, explain to me why not? Because it doesn't really show anything to have one second more of writing time over the course of seven minute match. And here's what what made me think of it. Like I said, I don't know if I'm so long this. I'm just I want to get I was watching a match. And I don't even remember what match it was now at this point. But somebody got to take down in the first and wrote for almost a minute. But then the opponent escaped. Then he took down in the second escape. So the score is now three, two. Then the other guy took bottom. He escapes. It's now four, two. And then I'm like, they're going to go. And the other guy's going to get the take down at the buzzer or within the last 10 seconds. And they're each going to have a take down and one escape. But this guy is going to have two escapes.

38:26So he's going to win the match, even though this guy wrote him for almost a minute longer. But it's just because it's just because you got taken down later. Well, yeah, I mean, if you get a take down and write out, that's better than a. No, but he wrote him for longer by folk style rules. He was able to take him down as many times and control him for a longer period of time. So that's where it was unfair to me. Part of the chest, yeah, it's part of it. If you score at the end of periods, you're more likely to get a write out. So those points are those scores are incentivized. Yeah, I heard you talking about this on the last show. But I didn't like it. I don't like that you can take somebody down and control them for longer, but you lose. I'm okay with it. Yeah, yeah, this one didn't give me up at night. Get off the bottom. So one second of writing time, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. There is there is a disparity there, but I think it's okay. I'd much rather they just started calling take plus think about how electric like, because the most exciting writing time is is when it's right around that minute.

39:29Yeah, so just let's just cut that out. Let's go right to it. And then minute and a half, it's the death. Wow. I'm decreasing it's the death now. Yeah, I'm increasing Matt wrestling, the importance of Matt wrestling. Minute and a half. I just want to take it. Dude, that could be like one take down and you get a leg and get out. Hey, that's a free point. You should be getting up. Yeah, it is a free point for us. You should be escaping very easily. And then that increases chest game too for like a choice in the second and third. If it's only one second of writing time, that's all you need. I don't know. I'd much rather than just start calling take downs and stalling. Well, I'm doing that too. That too. Yeah, I guess they're not separate. Plus I'm putting a step out in. I don't think I like the JD rules. And then I'm just getting, you know, if you don't get out in 10, 15 seconds, say you just put you back on your feet, something like that. I'm just worth shopping with that. Seriously, what is going to happen here?

40:31You mean like in terms of reaction time and we don't know what reaction time is? I mean, they don't completely arbitrary. They don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's just you don't know what's going to, you have no idea. Match to match sequence to sequence. What's going to be called a take down on what is it? It's I think it's a huge. Now, I don't think I actually said this a couple of shows ago, but sometimes I just say things where I think I said just get rid of writing time. I don't actually mean that. Wow. You're from man. You've been all over the top to like one second or I'm sorry, reaction time. I said, writing time, a reaction time. I don't actually mean that because there are scenarios where hands touch and it's not. It should not have been a take down or you know, something like that. There was a one in I think it was a Missouri match. Who did Missouri just rush? Iowa State. Yeah. On Sunday. It was Josh Edmund match. It was the perfect reason you have reaction time.

41:32It's like the wrestling, the guys running around, hand down the second he gets behind, hand comes up like that's reaction time. This stuff where they're sliding around on the hand here, hand here, crawling around, crawling around, then come up. No, that's well beyond these guys of they've lost, they've lost it. And they're, the leadership is not able to drill down any level of consistency. It feels accepted. It feels accepted that this ref calls it this way and this ref is going to call it that way. And we know they call them differently and this guy is going to be slow and this guy isn't. And that's just the way they are. How can that be reality? That can't be the way it is. You can't say well, that's just Jimmy. I don't think there's any left. That's the way it is. Yeah. It can't be that way. Like, no, you have to say this is, this is, this is how you all have to call it.

42:32You can't say, well, in my opinion, it take down whether it would, is it, and you know, oh, it's three points now. So that means it needs to be harder. No, you all need to agree. What is a touchdown? What is a, a foul? Like, you have to have some level consistency. And of course, there's going to be differences. And of course, like, it's not going to be exact. But the, the width of what can and can't be considered to take down versus what you can narrow that band significantly. And they're just not right now. And it's getting worse. I would love, I wish there was like a monthly NCAA wrestling referee show. And they just went and talked about current, what, what a lot of people are talking about. Just so they're, you know, we get some level of transparency of, hey, we are discussing this amongst ourselves. Or we have decided this, or we are calling this because this way. And, hey, you know what, this call was wrong by these officials.

43:35And this is why it's wrong. Or, hey, you guys think this is wrong. But here's why this call was actually correct. Yeah. You know, just a little bit of transparency. Yeah, no one's asking for perfection. And there's an expectation of, you know, there's going to be incorrect calls for sure. But it's not a job. I don't want to be official. It's a tough job. Yeah. Same here. It's much easier to complain about. Yeah. That's far easier. I was thinking a lot about that. I think, see on text me. Hold on. Let me see if I have an update from see on who probably is now wearing pants. I hope he's got those. Yeah. When AJ had an emergency, he'll jump as soon as he can. Okay. So the guy that just walked out of the hotel behind see on half way throughout. I wonder what he's thinking. He just sees this guy holding up this phone. Like this. All the funny shorts at like 7.30 AM. We all miss this part. 6.30.

44:35We see on calls on and I'm like, okay, hey. I'm kind of like run through the game playing like, all right, see on. I know I thought it might be cool if you get into your story But are there any anecdotes I could to you up for and the call and see on just proceeds to talk for like basically 15 20 minutes straight and then at a different point in time. I'm like, hey, you're you got Wi-Fi problems. Can you go here go there? He tried a couple different things he ends up outside and then I'm like, okay, but I say something. He's like, what we're on the show He was doing the show. He's like, he had any more questions for me. Yeah, that's what he said and you hadn't asked a question I had a 20 minutes question. I was just kind of like a game planning for the show. He knows I think he knows I'm maybe assuming The show starts at 8 a.m. Central. He thought we started I guess it like 742 central and worst so he did all this stuff and halfway through I was like, I think Cian thinks we're doing the show right now, but he was just talking and like, you know, he's sharing all these You know impactful stories. I didn't want to stop his train of thought, but then you know you get 20 minutes in and see on things

45:40We've been doing this show. We're just actually just talking so that was that was fine But they ended up being even better because we had good cell service and that was great. So Did y'all talk about on the on a on Mondays show after after I jumped? I listened to most of the questions I guess I was just driving back. Yeah, nothing crazy. Okay. I was statements early some other Tools that happen this weekend. We are officially done with tools now too for the year. So it is it is full on postseason time Let's go now speaking of postseason. We do have a question that popped up in the chat Which is about the Iowa lineup and and why on wrestle stat Voina Vitch is listed as starter is 57 and then Arnold at 97 is that Do we know is that what's happening? I think the 57 one I don't actually I don't know because Jordan wrestled the last match They they I can tell you this. It's not they're not operating on any inside information

46:45I don't think I think that's just speculation I do expect to see gay barn old at 197 for Iowa. That makes too much sense. Yep Unless angel of for all he's not back angel for I will be back So you should wrestle gave it 197 why not And then for Voina Vitch Williams. I don't know. I mean they wrestle Williams against Landon They've been going back and forth. I would say neither with surprise me. Who did they listen at 41 out here this year? Miss here. Yep. I don't know We could ask them. They're very forthcoming when we ask but I would guess it's a guess And nothing rooted. I wonder if Does Voina Vitch have more? Did he allocate or something like that? Yeah, I mean this year probably wouldn't have allocated but you think yeah He's he missed large chunks of time, but yeah, I don't Iowa 41 57 97 there's no certainties there and we're not going to know until They enter it and you know Tom probably won't even talk about it in the week of

47:51Cressard we normally get precedes the Wednesday before Big tents I says what's been the past year or two less than a week. We should have big ten seats That'll be awesome because we have a show Thursday and That show will be the first show in our new studio. I've been threatening a move But that's gonna happen. At least that's what they said Greg nodding not Greg's very nervous Told other dates to once we once we do that show that's when I'll feel Confidence that's a fitting show to be in that new studio conference weekend, you know, that's could be great Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm excited for that It's really nice. I tweeted a video of it But then it looks even better now because it wasn't even done then so I think you're gonna like it and more than anything Not that you guys are like who? Who and all over like the studio and the aesthetics but like we're gonna be able to do cooler stuff like I don't know if you said this. I know it was before the show Like we're able to do Collins a lot easier and then we're gonna have like

48:55Some funk functionality with like david's computer that can do stuff that we couldn't do before so it should be should be a better quality show Um, then it is right now. So we're really looking forward to that Okay, I said it's postseason time. I'm gonna give out my insane champion predictions. Mm-hmm. Okay. Done this a couple times But here if you want to know what's gonna happen march 21st lock in okay right now 125. I want to get show starts Luke little yeah, I think that's the easy pick right now. I mean, he's gonna be the the betting favorite He's also win big tens feels like I feel like you're either gonna feel much more confident or After big tens if he beats Nick again because it feels like Nick is the tougher toughest potential challenger To him there um I would I would expect yeah, I think he's the odds on favorite 133 what are you gonna do here buddy jacks for oh my god, I said it Monday and I'm doubling down at

50:01Time me to time me to that ship if I'm going down with it just the stuff he can do nobody else can do You know what I kind of don't disagree I and I You guys know I felt like he could Right, but I felt like he was kind of far off Um, and you know, I could be overreacting. That's part of the fun of this show But I wasn't writing them off after the after looking kind of sketchy against side L I thought he can have those kind of matches. I still think If he has to go through bird and blaze I don't know. I don't know if he can do both it's gonna get clipped about one of them I just think both those guys possess Stuff that's gonna make things really hard. This did again I mean bird was He was fighting off his back like crazy against Kade Moore this year. Well Kade Moore puts a lot of people on their back actually. So does jacks forest. So does jacks forest And I think jacks would keep him there

51:03Um, and would be able to maintain and keep more done put that many people on their backs It seems like there's Lucas bird um So I don't know and then bend divino still exists That it's it's gonna be it's a really tough one to pick but you I think airing on the side of the point score You you want to go down with that um Okay Imagine this Marcus blaze wins big tents Goes through divino and bird Jacks does what he does a big twels beats frost, you know, maybe majors or techs him Do you think that your confidence will be shaken seeing him go through Marcus go through that gauntlet Not if not if jacks majors or techs Evan frost I just made a made like a highlight of the last meeting between jacks forest and Marcus blaze the one I don't know if it's the last one but the one of the clarion open yeah and

52:05Kind of forgot, you know, you look at the score. I was like nine to five or something kind of forget Jacks was winning for like six minutes of that match He got the first takedown, you know, and then and then it was blaze who had to come back and get it Um, with that takedown in near fall at the end and Kind of forget that You think all right the way for Marcus blaze or for Lucas bird to beat jacks forest is just to be You know too defensive too solid positionally not get takedown. I saw how it went last time right No blaze had to go get it and he did and so I don't know. He's his winner. He's always been able to go get it Yeah, it's about the nox series right yeah, um That and that that factors in I think I'm between I'm not ready to declare I'm between blaze and jacks right now Which is cell phone I want to I want to interrupt JD's predictions for a $20 super chat. It's not even a question It's just a reminder. It's just top top me. Yeah, Matt Burke

53:051019 not a question or a reminder after NCA brackets are released I want everyone's predictions on who the lowest seed to finish the highest will be okay So we get to see that I'm a child he also said a positive way he said keep up the great work Uh, enjoy subway today from your rich buddy Matt. Oh Shout out rich. It's good to have some rich friends like Matt. I really hope we get A jacks blaze and say final just because of all the story lines there right the the high schooler Going for the title the Just the emergence of the freshman at this weight class the Oklahoma State versus Penn State Mm-hmm rivalry there the history between those two and the fact that they are going to go on and continue to most likely Be 61 65 kilo guys and wrestle for world and Olympic teams even after this so Yeah, this could be that now down for for final X to right just as well Okay, 141 Jesse

54:06Who who is if sir Joe if I told you okay, Jess hello Stan Brock Brock always wrestles Jesse tough he does dude listening to him on the beta show got me You know it boosted my confidence in Brock. He's he was a great guest on that show Uh, but he he's like he said that a lot of this year. He's like man You know coming back and being this old that one of the challenges is like I just wanted to skip to the end He's like I've been in the finals and now I just wanted to skip back to that point and wrestle Jesse Mendez and beat Jesse Mendez there and he said it's been you know An exercise in trying to regain focus throughout the year But that's where he's been motivated this whole time So I don't know he kind of got me he kind of got me fired up listening to him But to say it and to do it are two different things but I like Brock 149 change in this yeah We'll skip to fort 57. I want to hear it Two good and co-coffee creamers are made with farm fresh cream real milk and contain three grams of sugar Per serving that's 40% less than the five grams

55:08Per serving and leading traditional coffee creamers for a rich delicious experience Whether you enjoy your coffee hot cold Bold or frothy two good coffee creamers make every sip a good one two good coffee creamers real goodness in every sip Find them at your local crogr in the creamer aisle Myra Shapiro really so you're just going to your team points right now. I'm team points. He's the point he is He's the best offensive wrestler at this weight class. Um, I don't disagree with that. I don't know if he'd be my pick Um I kind of like PJ Landon I would I really like think he's I think he just looks limited. Maybe it's just me But I think he looks like since the you and I do something something's up um He's still good enough to Make a very deep run And Trell is scary Not scoring

56:09Probably the clip Caleb Larkin's there Brandon can and we haven't seen he has not lost You know it all right. How about this? Your team points if can and wins big 10s Uh Because you know he's scoring That's going to play in a major seat of doubt because you're not going you're gonna be that will be a major and you will have only seen my or wrestle What Caleb Larkin that's it and uh, and it was crazy close crazy close so I think I think that'll be my prediction if kids but I would also say this I Feel like the separation isn't big enough between Brandon Cannon PJ Duke and Antel Taylor For him to repeat that performance then two weeks later Is that is that crazy that it's almost like if he wins I'm like I'm almost less confident now because I'm like well you can't do that back to back

57:10I mean well what he wouldn't have to be those two guys obviously with a bracket like that He may not see them again right right like Antel could fall. I mean PJ You know that all these guys I'm PJ has lost this year um Yeah, this this way. So I think it's I think it's tougher to predict than than any weight class. I really feel like it is. I think tougher to predict It's tougher to predict. It's just tougher period In terms of from a depth standpoint like how many guys like It feels like could reasonably make the semi's make the finals. It makes it a crazy crazy weight class I think it's gonna be tough to pick Meyer just one ranked really like top five top six guy All year another limited you know he got fifth last year with a similar schedule And so the reason I'm picking him is similar to the reason I'm picking in jacks and it's just like Take game playing it out of it you throw these guys in a wrestling room and how

58:12I know I know this isn't how you compete. This isn't how you actually get your hand raised at the national tournament I feel like you just do like a seven-minute go He feels like he would win like he feels like Pure wrestler sounds like a bad way to put it like oh he's the best wrestler, but the best wrestler doesn't always win That's not what I'm getting at. It's just like that's why I'm going with him I think people I think it's easy to get enamored with Slickness and technique, but like the NCAA tournament is It's grind. It's the it's the biggest dogs. Yes guys. It could just frickin Fight for seven minutes five matches in a row oftentimes And that's where I'm like that's what gives me hesitation to pick to pick Meyer if that's what this the NCAA tournament is like the ultimate Toughness. Yes challenge not that Meyer's not exceedingly tough to do what he's done, but just like I don't think he's able to outslick everyone

59:14Is my point and so if it's not about out slick out slick and I'm then what's it really look like against PJ Duke Who's just an animal land and rob a dude and trell Taylor those guys? I think those three are nightmare matchups for Meyer that he could win like I think Conversely someone like Brandon Cannon I think Meyer matches up pretty well against him I think the the volume attacking and the insanity that can and brings I think Meyer could could do well with that Whereas like PJ Duke I'd be like that's that's a tough one for him There's definitely a scenario where you feel like PJ wins it By a late takedown or a riding time point or something similar. Yeah That is probably my least confident pick for sure Because it feels like if jacks doesn't win. It's like He's getting to make the finals. He's gonna get third, right? But like I mean there's a scenario There's a scenario where he like loses the place in the semi's and then Side out gets him on the backside. Maybe yeah, I yeah, I think that ship is sailed. I'd be I'd be stunned if side out beat him

1:00:20Sorry, I don't know about stunned not stunned Never stunned. I'm allowed to say that word. Uh, thank you Shane. Yeah, but I I feel like I feel like that opportunity was was was previous which is weird to say but 165 Mitchell really Really just kidding Yeah, he's tough tough guy to pick against Really really just Almost want to fast forward to like the us open Mm-hmm him in car that showdown. Oh my gosh Um, but you know Mitchell can't think like that. He got it lock in if one guy Knocked off Mitchell this year. Is it lock it? I'd say blaze blaze Calianos just had too many chances. Um, yeah, I think We've seen that however blaze cuz blaze can ride You got to hold them down You can't have him in your face for Seven minutes six minutes. It's you got to ride him for lead. That's the only way car beat him

1:01:22Yeah, take a little bit out of him. It's not just the takings. You gotta You can't have him sprinting in your face that long. It does not work And I think Joey is the kind of guy who can put a Smart can put a game plan together um And then again, you know, obviously these are these are These are not why at gable level odds, but these are really long odds But if you're asking me who I would say Joey There's no guarantee he gets he ever wrestles Mitchell. So he does have a right to be hellish. So we'll see Oh my gosh 74 Levi yep. Yeah, that one of my most confident I feel very confident Levi 84 Sinclair time. I like that. I think he's my pick as well Yeah, he's my pick, but Rock, Rock, oh, I mean The I don't why I think Aiden matches up. Okay, he gets rock. I think Rocco's gonna have a hard time scoring

1:02:26on Aiden Sinclair Does he ride Rocco Welsh? I don't know Max McAnelli Just because Aiden beat Max kind of soundly at that doesn't mean he's beaten Max before and then Max gets him back right and in freestyle We've seen that and You know max is kind of He didn't wrestle Rocco, right correct He's not wrestled Angelo this year because Angelo was out that duel because Angelo was out He wrestled Gabe so we're we could be letting the memory of national duels Lume a little larger than it should hold a little more weight than it should In regards to Max McAnelli And he hasn't had the opportunity like an antrail tailor has who that I mean you want to talk about a tough national He's got major by Rizinski and Brandon Cannon Okay, but oh Max. It was barely loose Aiden Sinclair lost kind of kind of more one-sided than we thought Against Aiden Sinclair and then he's just beating everyone else Unlike Antrail he sent out the opportunity and trove got to wrestle PJ Duke and land in robodoo and and

1:03:29um Avenge up which have lost to the avenge Uh, he didn't but he didn't wrestle Brandon. Oh, he didn't wrestle Ham and he he didn't wrestle since get their top. He's the number one ranked guy because he's had those opportunities that max Through no fault of his own has hasn't had so um, I think you can you rule out any of those guys Those big four. I think it's it's a mistake But I think Aiden is my pick as well. We're sorry I said Entral didn't wrestle can he didn't wrestle robodoo. Right. No, he wrestled robodoo Adults No, he got beat by cannon and then he didn't get that opportunity back He did not wrestle robodoo at duels and then he did beat robodoo. Yes. That's what it was. Yes Uh, where was I 97 Josh bar. Mm-hmm Rocky matches interesting, but I mean Josh is just looks so good this year Rocky's got it. Rocky has to get early take down I feel and short in the match similar like how you beat Mitchell like

1:04:31Get get your hands locked on a single when you're feeling your best get that finish ride for 48 seconds You know that kind of that kind of match 285 Young good time. I knew you're gonna say that Yeah, I think I think that's a fair pick. I think Trumble don't the reason you wouldn't pick younger is because of his pass and say it performances Guys a one-time all-american at 197 Seventh I think so I don't know putting it together five matches Isaac Trumble looms But yeah, I think if you're talking about the best He's the best neutral wrestler with very minimal mat deficiencies Uh, I think you side with with younger there. I think that's fair Um, David if you want. I don't know if we have any other super chats, but I like some questions um All right, did not like questions, but I pull up a bunch of questions you go to my from my Twitter. Yeah, okay, great Yeah, I'll just have to trust you. Oh, yeah, you're gonna have to trust me on this, but we do have one more super chat. Oh perfect dollar 99

1:05:36Okay, and honestly this quickly. Yeah 302 dot b9 send us this dollar 99 Who do you think wins a head-to-head match Mendez or Mitchell mezzan break and let's assume they're the same size for this exercise because I would pick the bigger guy Um, uh, you're a fun one basically just asking like pound for pound. Yeah, say Mitchell You guys got one loss ever very very close Um And mint mendez this I mean you know you're asking this year It's tough to say, but Mitchell has a longer track record of just being insanely dominant All right, yep, I agree. Don't forget. I mean Jesse lost a boat Bartlett last year twice twice, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense All right, we'll get into some of these other questions, but first our producer Greg reminded me that We got it. We got a shout out our fans at Nike wrestling. It's we do incredible sponsor of this show

1:06:41Nike wrestling we love what they're doing and JD's got the freaks. He's got the freaks out freaks We're on display at the ranking series. I saw a bunch of freaks on the mat. I did too I was at the Iowa state tournament Austin Gomez was wearing a mow which we didn't mention Yeah, he it might be time for him to retire I you got to from from the sport he are retired once because of concussions This guy's getting collar tied and going unconscious He's not double-legging and leaping and spiking himself on his head These are innocuous and he's going completely out I just got fired up yesterday. I like what are they doing letting him wrestle after that? He went unconscious. It's like he was choked out like I'm not I don't really worry about that Like you get strangled out and then okay, you can come back and wrestle but There's concussions it's scary stuff. It's super scary and especially It's scary with anyone that if you go unconscious from head trauma or whatever for that reasons for non-strangulation reasons The match should be over no matter just I don't think there's really any circumstances like out out like yeah Okay, David Taylor got kicked in the face and he kind of wobbled and needed a second

1:07:44It's like and maybe they're like I'm not a medical person like they just feel really different to me when you get straight up K-O'd It's got to be done especially with Austin Gomez's history I think it's time and it's unfortunate because he obviously can still really wrestle But that's not the full picture Unfortunately just imagine how bad it would have been if he didn't have those Nike freaks So yeah anyways head over to athlete ps.com Right pick up your pick up your gear. No, that was yeah, that was not good. That was not good highly crazy learning We do have the the the Nike website up on there. Yeah athlete ps.com head over there head there now all right and we'll go to some questions First of here. We've got AZ wrestling fan how does I was team look next year? They're losing a lot of projected points seems like it's gonna be a big drop from a down year 2026 recruiting sparse What are they gonna do? Is this a portal situation? uh Yes, I mean I've said I've been saying for a couple of years. I

1:08:47I've been Talking about this year that was coming for a while for Iowa and even really last last year. I was like They they are only counting on the portal. They cannot have any they're The high school recruits they're bringing the class of bringing in they know They cannot compete with that so they're they have basically been telling you without saying it we're going to portal the vast majority of this lineup and That's gonna have to be what they do next year when you lose Dean Peterson in and you you have Deluca But guy wrestled one match this year. This is a guy Deluca. I think he's really talented Major injury concerns coming into college before he got to Iowa. He missed like basically a year wrestled like a handful of matches um His senior year right and wrestles one match gets hurt immediately and never saw him again So it had to be significant or he didn't want to wrestle either way

1:09:49That's that's tough and I know they're really high on him. They's not just lip service They're like this dude could could ten for the spot this year with even with Dean there, but Okay, so that's the bright spot Is Deluca in in terms of people coming in that's the brightest spot you got and there's a lot of questions there With his health 33. I don't know the plan. Maybe miss your drops down Miss your drops down that creates 41 challenges for sure and they're already not created 41 49 block It's good. Is he a guy that's going to be wrestling deep in the NCAA tournament that remains to be seen 57 Same guys 65 they lose caliando who's been Their guy for the last you know three years And there's there's no help coming they have to portal 65 74 is that Gabe If so that's good get that gave down at 74 84 good with um with angelo, but then 97 I think Harvey is gonna need more than a year. I don't think Harvey's close right at two

1:10:52The Iowa standard is contending for all American national titles I don't think Harvey's gonna be there in a year could be wrong He's really good in high school, but just the early returns are that he is not and You can say he's red-shirting this year, but the results are the results and You it used to be you could look at a tough true freshman year and be like well in in one year There could be but these guys are coming in so good typically so ready that when you see that kind of a true freshman year It's like oh Might might be a little bit and then heavyweight with Keter. Does Keter come back? I don't know Um, so it's gonna be a tough year next year like how many guys reasonably could be wrestling in the finals next year for Iowa I don't know it's not a it's not a big number so But the portal exists they've got a lot of guys in the portal and if they get the right guys And there's the right guys and there's guys that they don't work out. They need to it's basically bad a thousand there um

1:11:53So yeah next year's gonna be tough for for Iowa It's just what you said kind of got me thinking you go back 70s 80s 90s This is for sure the case just because there was a lot of stayed on kids and kids didn't wrestle you around and there wasn't Access to video and stuff, but I'd be interested to see in the past 15 20s going back kind of a far but past 15 years How much it has shifted to All Americans are always basically top 100 recruits coming out of high school how often now Can a school go out in pluck a relatively unknown guy who Wasn't uh Top three place or top four place or at fargo Who wasn't on the big board Maybe maybe crack national rankings maybe didn't

1:12:56Can plug them into a lineup and by the end of their career they can be You know a one two three Time all-american. Well, it's I think that's always been an outlier. I think maybe it happened more in the past than Then it does now. I think like Buchanan was definitely not a big big board guy. Mitchell wasn't until his senior year Um, and even like after his like freestyle senior April. Yeah, that was great guy. So it it happens still I mean drew foster their guys like that I just think a program like I or you can't have that kind of patience. No, I I agree and they haven't but like Or maybe even How often do we see a guy anymore go? Study progression you were not a qualifier. You were a qualifier. You were around a 16. You were an all-american That level and that's what I don't know um You know 15 years ago. I just wasn't as locked in on your non-national champion

1:13:57Level guys where now it feels like almost everybody is at the level there at freshman year Yeah, there's not And I know that's not entirely true and I can probably be You can throw a bunch of examples at me now, but I feel like that's happening less and less Where we see progression or where we see a guy who went he was an all-american. He was 7th or 8th freshman year Yeah climbing then he was 3rd or 4th then he was finalist then he was champ Yeah, it seems like but you know as first two years he had no shot at champion. It seems like now. It's like well He could have been a champion freshman year, but didn't get it done And then he's contending like every year Hey, I just I don't feel like anymore. We see that progression because as you're just coming in at the level there at It's clean up a few things Show progression, but you're going from Uh Top three finisher as a freshman to a champion or you're going from a national qualifier as a freshman to

1:15:01Eighth place finisher at best as a senior. Yeah, that's the progression we're seeing not you went the full gauntlet Like you see in high school still Right it's kind of so you know, I like seeing guys who I mean, I don't think it happened that much in the past either That's that's what I don't know. Yeah, I want a contribution to get on and see if I back up I just Just what I'm feeling like that we don't see anymore, but it probably didn't happen That means yeah to believe it'd be cool to know all right. We got another question here Abe Maraussla, I think that's how you say Abe's name your solar top three matchups. You're looking forward to at conference weekend Okay So you got to pick Fifth 157 in the big 10 like one of those I feel like yeah Canon PJ I Want to see that um What's a big 12 one Frost jacks has lost some juice after Well first frost that's what that's what I'm saying. That's why it's lost juice and after what jacks did Drake

1:16:03I mean every week they got a different he's hurt. He's sick. He's sick. He's hurt. It's like man I don't know if it's the cut or what it is, but the guy can't get on the mat. It's time for Xerbin and waters to officially wrestle They both didn't wrestle each other I do want to take LV in the duel. Oh wait, Xerbin, Xerbin and B waters in the duel. Oh, you're right. The takedown no takedown. Yeah um Oh who oh larkin versus uh landen. Yeah That's a crazy match. That is a great way I think 12. Yeah, I want to see that. Oh, you're gonna be there. Oh, yeah, I'll be there and then you're gonna be living on Tulsa time Yes, another big 10 match up. I want to see. I mean Max Max Rocco is up there for me for sure blaze bird. I really want to see that Hmm. I want to know what happens. Yeah, I want to know what happens more than uh Show me the 30-second highlight prove me wrong guys, but yep Um, but yeah, the result from that one is really interesting. Yes, because

1:17:03Bird Looms because he didn't hit any of them This right he's the reigning champ and you know preseason He was still my pick because I was like he's savvy and in the way he wrestles. I thought would give fits to some of these young guys And maybe I'm just falling victim to Not watching him wrestle the top guys is here, but the Obviously he's not my pick anymore. I've just like lost the luster if he wins big 10s Give me give me. I'm back on bird you're back on bird There you go. I was about to say I love posing those questions because I know where you're at It's like all right, but what if this happens? Yeah, I mean I feel like he will turn into the conventional pick if he does it again because he hasn't lost right But he's got to do it. He's got to do it and jacks is such a different Box to unpack then Marcus blaze and drake. I uh All right, John aff What's the note is a little programming question for you guys are you picking big 10 champs for each other and for NCA as well

1:18:07I think you should get a pick it every way But it's that you guys picking which way do a random draw of weights maybe from JD's ad He always has a hat on that we got that bar covered right away Yeah, I don't know. We haven't talked about what we're gonna do Or how I didn't I didn't want to bring up does JD want to continue the pickums thing just after Well, I don't want to stop I know the result of my stop. Okay, um, like gambling you key. I was just thinking the same I was like wow that's keep JD out of Vegas Um, what should we do? I don't know because like Um, I don't know. We'll think of this. Yeah, I have an idea. We'll brainstorm. Yeah, we'll brainstorm Yeah, yeah, you got it. Maybe you got a pick multiple conferences. I don't know, you know We'll see all right Tyler Perry What's the worst punishment seven-minute handfight with Rocco Welsh seven-minute match with mezzan Brink with no text or falls allowed or being Matt returned by younger bestida guys. This is not hard If you get Matt returned by younger bestida it could change your life forever

1:19:10So yeah, it's it's like listen Mitchell Rock handfight. It's all bad. I don't want to do any of this but like I don't know I might take one return from younger The best to me is seven-minute match with Mitchell He's just taking me down a bunch to be talking and clapping in my face Yes, but a handfight with Rocco Welsh my neck will never be the same That's the thing like I wish Rocco would be able to take me that because Then it just gets him off my neck and you're like taking punches just to the neck with him handfighting you We're a large human being small exactly. Okay, so all right like I feel like I can kind of land gracefully If a younger return a little bit and at least it's over fast. Yeah, yeah your life So then you you tell me We're getting in the minute five six and seven Rocco's not snapping you through the mat through But I mean, I can dude. I don't know you saw you snap fishback Um, but I'm not trying to win. I'm just trying to remember fishback was trying to win. I'm trying to live

1:20:14This is different different mindsets um Matt returned by young so the the best case like the best potential outcome does lie with the business state-of-matter return it could you just get matter turned but oh, I wasn't one so bad um I'm getting matter turned then a seven-minute match with Mitchell and then worst Rocco. Yeah, seven-minute handfight throwing up. Thanks. You're picking the matter turn. I think I am I trust my cat-like abilities to The man, but it's dude This guy's all right. There you go JD Okay, Mitchell's gonna. I know Like I'll see y'all in the afterlife because I'm dying no matter what yeah All through these scenarios. We got another would you rather situation? This one doesn't involve us being in pain Yes, I love this. Yeah, uh, Tramble, Harold wants to know would you rather watch a 15-minute live-go of jacks and Sergio or PJ Duke and Mitchell It's jacks and Sergio for me. I okay, so for from a wrestling perspective jacks and Sergio, but like the personalities

1:21:18Like what actually happens in like a full like a match between PJ Duke and Mitchell mess and ring Not just the wrestling, but like the I don't know. I'm taking Mitchell PJ because Mitchell has a Uncanny ability to get under people's skin and a six or seven-minute match Practice more than double that and it's Like I'm picking that yeah, I mean jacks and Sergio that'd be fun. Rolly like chaotic experience But uh, I don't know. Maybe I'm just leaning into the drama a little more drama. Yeah, okay. All right. I like it Uh, okay real Avery Lynch asking the important questions You could only have four restaurants in your city which four are you choosing? I'll go first I'm picking the version of these restaurants in their prime, which I don't know I don't know if you could do that, but he he makes the rules Starbucks, Panera, Chick-fil-A, Panda Express. Those are his Uh, I'm gonna zoom in on these as graphics a little small. He did not do bad. Um, okay Hope it's all he's getting a shot on it. It's Chipotle on there. Yes, it's a top right. All right Chipotle panda

1:22:24Right out the gate And Fudrucker's build room is crazy. That's not even fast food. Fudrucker is it? I don't know Um All right, this is good Man, I might I this is gonna be crazy. I could get some hate for this. I'm open to it. I'm going to subarrow. Oh I know a classic New York slice slice. It's not bad Um, that that you're crazy for that. No, um, and then my fourth I'll go i-hop Okay, I like i-hop. It takes to have a breakfast option. Yeah, to me To me this is easy You're gonna say long john silvers The goat. Is it even on here? No. Oh, yeah, it is right there. No, I'm not. This is easy One-one is applebees. It doesn't even belong on here. Yeah, I see I'm I don't even know why Applebees one-one easy. Okay, two I do like Starbucks. I'm getting my coffee. Yeah, in my breakfast

1:23:24Three, I'm living moss. Yes, Taco Bell Four Quiznos. I'm getting my subs, but no breakfast because you have john some Starbucks does breakfast. Oh, yeah, they kind of do they reheat Two of my former I'm not a huge breakfast breakfast cold stone on there. Yeah cold stone and Chuck E. Cheese right right? Right sandwiched in the middle is Starbucks. So two former employers. So that's good Okay, yeah, I really like crispy cream donuts, too. This is this is a good list. I could There's a lot of combos of four. I'm pretty happy. I could have stopped after my one-one Applebees. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, it gets hated on as this jillies. I find them both to be they have they have some great I mean they have some great like uh, you know on a budget specials like like 50 cent wings sometimes Oh, yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta do it. All right, uh, we got a question here from Bobby Kebel big bob 4769 Like who is the best high school wrestler? Ever from each of the states you guys are from

1:24:26Uh, that who would go on to be the best or like who is the best when they graduated? Who do you think? I yeah, I don't know Like who is the most who's the most legendary like high school or high school or from your state? I would probably say for Virginia I'd probably say Cody Gardner's um He was like the number one overall recruit. I'm pretty sure when he graduated um tragic into his life but he was undefeated throughout high school was just I mean he would go to Iron Man and Bees and just like Steamroll and everyone so I would I'd probably say Cody Gardner would be up there Patrick Bond does come to mind he was Extremely elite for great bridge. Um, there's others, but I mean The like I'm just thinking high school versus obviously we had better. I mean Devin Carter and Joey dance and there's other guys from Virginia. Bubba Jenkins of course But like the best high school wrestler I think would be Cody Gardner. I think for Iowa Maybe historians can get on here and better, but uh David Kellgaard or however you say his name

1:25:30He was like a I don't know ten eleven twelve time Fargo champion Or or something cheese something crazy like that mark Rylens up there too. He won Fargo a bunch of times um This is cheating for Colorado. It was not really. It's guys is Colorado. You can't say Henry so who know Watching that guy in in the Colorado state tournament was ridiculous Like he said he had cartwheels into like single legs and just unbelievable stuff But he's from Arizona. So he maybe doesn't count probably the the Legend that I was watching around my era was Tom clumb He was like gonna be the first ever four-time undefeated state champion He got beaten the finals of senior year But he was so dominant that they had like an entire like separate media set up just ready for all right When this guy wins You know and then this guy Brett roller was on a mission took him out, but yeah, Tom clumb. I also I didn't say dangable. Oh, I was gonna say cable Just just in high school that I mean the things were just different like then in high school

1:26:33He wasn't wrestling everyone in the country right But if you're going everything obviously it's dan cable mm-hmm all right got a 133 question here from rich g Over under four and a half freshman all americans at one thirty three And then over under one and a half senior all americans at one thirty three. So Davino blaze jacks Sidel Sidel so you have to have larkin on the podium my guess to get over I probably take the under I would take the under four just say for the freshman on the podiums like one of those guys will slip senior a's give me the over at two with bird and jake yeah But what others could america leads the world in medicine development it matters We get new medicines first nearly three years faster Five million americans go to work because we make medicines here at home and not relying on other countries keeps us safe

1:27:33But china is racing to overtake us will we let them or will we choose to stay ahead When america leads america cures Let's tell washington to keep us in the lead learn how at america cures dot com paid for by pharma For us to still a junior right i don't think there's not a lot of options Yeah, that's kind of it both are both those guys can get on so they both have to do it yeah So I say yeah, I say under freshman Under senior a's a 33 Sad man, I want to I want to believe that drick's gonna do it. Yeah All right ioh high school state championships are apt up Where do you put drachon Ross on impact coming to college next year compared to bobas at another top ranked seniors Side by side I think drachon i think both are undeniable Forces at the way classes they should wrestle they're going to wrestle next year for their respective teams

1:28:36Drachon at heavyweight i feel like the field is lined up perfectly for him You know you lose younger and trouble trouble who i would say would be trouble for him um but beyond that like Anyone else i think he can i'm not predicting drachon Ross national champion freshman year I just think he's gonna be in that conversation He needs to stay healthy he has this year um I think he's gonna be ready to contend year one and it's very obvious that that bow will contend year one Drachon Ross Drachon Ross and Ben Keter also Potentially deserve a all-time iowa school coming out of high school yeah shout-out, but How Ben has done in his career so far is maybe tampering my expectations a little bit for Drachon that's not fair, but uh um just trying not to be like Drachon is gonna be for sure the guy it's just sometimes it can be a little bit harder

1:29:36At heavyweight you know mirisola is taking a while to figure it out, but now he's kind of cooking So and and you see like you know the way that Drachon's had to challenging matchups with Kobe Merrill you know a guy that's a really really good hand fighter and really strong and cold Mirisola and cold mirisola so you know there's definitely a difference between Wrestling kind of regular high school competition in those types of guys But that's funny like that that that back and forth he just had with yourself is basically what was going on in the chat There's some people are like he would finish top three this year And then there are other people that are saying they're citing Ben Keter and on all that in the youtube chat So we'll see i'm really excited to see it This discussion uh just talking heavyweights Drachon a It kind of made me think of a discussion we had in the office The other day and just how heavyweight is kind of just a different sport as a whole almost and We were specifically talking about Why at Hendrickson and it's like I feel like heavyweight is the almost

1:30:38The only way you can do that where you're a relatively unknown kid from small town Kansas come in and then you're Immediate Almost impact player and then can go on to defeat an Olympic gold medalist in college Like I just feel like you can't do that at 133 pounds Yeah, yeah, I mean you see a lot of guys that were successful heavyweights in high school And then you see I mean even like you know Adam Aronson like coming in for you and I Having a skill set of a middleweight and then you know, it's like you know Have a little more success and even though maybe you wouldn't appreciate so much being successful at heavyweight I feel like or I feel like you can get to a very proficient level in D1 wrestling by just being you know average or above average athlete and not being stupid I was in like Don't take bad shots like just try to get to a control tie Push don't take bad shots and you're gonna be in a lot of matches and gonna win a decent amount

1:31:43Next question. All right next question. Let's see. We already did that one You got a bunch more, but I don't know which ones are the best ready at 930. How about this is 930 This is from master Santiago Who will cause the next big coaching splash in the same way David Taylor did it with Oklahoma State His bet is that if when Spencer Lee becomes the Iowa head coach, it would be seismic for the program Well, that would be seismic for sure. I feel like If you're asking me who's the best If you say DT level splash who could do it and I think There's gonna be programs that want to do this and if you don't get the right guy It's like it could go back because I think there aren't a lot of guys with No college coaching experience can come in and do what David has done Um, and there's things surrounding David that have that have helped a lot too. It's like the right It's the perfect situation and he was the perfect guy for it

1:32:46um I think Jordan burrows is a is a slam dunk coaching candidate. I think he's someone that um One just talking to him. I feel like he's he's definitely thinking about it and he's um He's a really thoughtful guy and he's a winner and he's gonna He's not only is he Gonna be a good coach and teaching, you know, the fundamentals of wrestling. Not only is he be a great face of a program If that's what he decides to do, but he's gonna get the right people around him to do it And he's gonna ask he's asking the right questions and I don't know. I just feel like he has the The the charisma of the barato the savvy and the humility to Make it work wherever he winds up if he winds up there and of course he's he's not said that but I just talking to Jordan I feel like he wants to do it Jordan is somebody He sets his mind to it. He's going to be

1:33:46His ceiling is going to be very very high. Yeah, yeah, right or his floor is going to be very very high uh Now because and I like what you said where he's gonna surround himself with the right people and have humility because I'm not saying he's not But in terms of just X's and O's wrestling take down technique whatever I can't say for sure he's going to be slam dunk coach Like we I think he would be but I've known a lot of wrestlers that we're not the best coaches for one reason or another but I think he has the temperament to run a program be be a very effective CEO of a program in addition to I think he would be a good X's and O's game-planning coach. I'm just not certain he'd be The best Could be I'm just not sold on that. Yeah, I feel pretty. Yeah. I feel strongly about it. Um all right. It's 937 938 actually

1:34:51So it's time to go we're gonna be back on Monday. Yes. Yes 8am right here for the last show in three oh one congress probably Never say never baby. Never say never Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Thank you for cion for hopping on And talking about coach Douglas Thoughts and prayers definitely with the Douglas family and all the athletes and people that the that Bobby impacted We will see you Monday have a great weekend good luck to everyone wrestling and a lot of state tournaments youth High school, etc Good luck to y'all wrestle hard. See ya