0:00Guys, welcome to another episode of Trigger. We're going a little unconventional today. We got Dr. Mehmet Oz, the head of the CMS, working under Bobby Kennedy, a HHS, the Health and Human Services in the government. We're going to be talking about all things as it relates to fraud, AI, TrumpRX, all of it. And of course, don't forget about our brave sponsors for having the guts to support this program. And guys, we have a brand new sponsor, YRIFI, where you can invest in America's future. It's their mission to provide private student loan borrowers a second chance while creating opportunities for eligible accredited investors. And as an accredited investor, when you invest in YRIFI, your interest rate is fixed. And you have the freedom to take your monthly interest income or reinvest it, whatever you choose, all while investing in America's future and our next generation. For more information, just call 877-80-invest

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2:06And because you're part of this audience, you get up to 10% back in bonus silver or gold just for getting started. Again, that's donjuniorgold.com. Do it now, educate yourself, what do you have to lose? A little bit of a different show than normal, but I think a conversation that people have to hear and understand, and then a lot to learn. Because every time I've spoken with you, Dr. Oz, great to have you on. Thank you. I'm like, wow, I didn't even know about some of these things. So let's get into the big one first, because I've covered it so extensively on the show. The fraud around this country is insane. I mean, it's the GDP of large nations, it seems. And it does also seem that so much of it seems to come out in the healthcare space, whether that's Medicaid, whether it's hospice care. I know you've been intimately involved in discovering some of somewhere all of that, hopefully, by the time we're done with all of this, but talk about how the system was able to get set up,

3:09that people could siphon out billions, bad actors just stealing from the American taxpayer. Well, let's put it in perspective, because this is the topic that the president has spoken about, because he focuses on the big problems, and he emphasizes our need to address them. And if you just look objectively and where the fraud is in America, you'd go to the biggest spender, who's the biggest spender, Medicare Medicaid. It's about $2 trillion a year, $2 trillion, that's twice the defense budget, when we're not at war. And so the opportunity for fraudsters to get involved and harpoon the hippopotamus of Medicare Medicaid is a great one. And we have foreign governments involved in this, foreign nationals in America, but we also have bad people in America, don't share our values, taking advantage of these programs. So just to put some broader architecture on this, during COVID, there was money that was literally thrown at people, so easy to steal it, you wouldn't have been realized it was happening. And that taught a lot of bad actors, that they could come out to the American people's safety net,

4:12Medicare Medicaid, and get away with it. And under the Biden administration, and this is what I'm saying is widely appreciated, there was a overt effort to tell federal employees working at centers of Medicare Medicaid, where I am, that they didn't have to worry about fraud. They needed to focus on enrolling people, get more folks lined up to participate, and you'll do better. And the reason I think, because I try to get into why this would be so, because in general, you'd want to police the system, while you're building a safety net, if you sign somebody up for Medicaid, you must also, by federal law, give them information about voting. So it's basically political patronage. So this is not a flaw of the system. It's a feature that they gutted the fraud, waste, and abuse programs within Medicaid, for example, which is the programs for poorer people, vulnerable people run by states. And so the federal government, actually, although we pay the bills, we don't audit where the money goes.

5:13And so it's a perfect storm. Governors could game the system, or people who work under them, they could extract billions of dollars from the federal tax rolls, to put into care for illegal immigrants, for people aren't supposed to get Medicaid, for people who had double or triple insurance coverage, because they didn't care, they're not paying for it anyway, you and I are. And so think about it this way. You've got states like California running sloppy programs, and less affluent states that are still blue states like New Mexico are paying the tab. And that's just not fair in a federal system. So, I mean, we've talked about it, obviously, from the fraud perspective, not just the fraudsters, but ultimately, a kickback to the Democrat party. These are all Democrat voters. They, it's almost like the American version of what was going on with USAID. Send a bunch of money to no-show projects over there. We kick it back to NGOs. The NGOs donate to their Democrat counterparties. You keep that going. But, so you're saying it's actually far more, because it's not just a kickback scheme in terms of financial to the Democrat party. It's also basically a fake voter registration scam.

6:15It's an imagining you were signing up people and an NRA convention to vote. Who are you going to sign up? Folks will tend to vote Republican. If you want to get a lot of Democratic voters on board, go find out where the Medicaid patients are and sign them up to vote. Now, again, it's clever politics, but in the end, all of us are hurt, because people lose confidence in these precious programs that are so beautiful. They work so well, well-designed. You know, your dad often says he loves and cherishes Medicare and Medicaid. That's why he won't touch Medicare. He wants these programs to thrive, but we cannot afford to have them gutted. The working families tax set legislation, for example, which was the most ambitious health program ever, perhaps, saved Medicaid. I'll say that again, President Trump saved Medicaid, because he took out all the legalized money laundering that was going to pill for trillions of dollars out of the system. That would go in the state coffers where there's no accountability. And some of the things as you begin to read about and learn more about what the fraud is, these bad apples aren't going to just steal your money. Think about it, Don. If they steal your money, they'll steal your health. They don't care.

7:15They don't care about you. They don't care if you die. So I'm going to take hospice. These are programs that started 40 years ago. They ran fine for 35 years, until COVID hit. What was the deal? You're at the end of your life. You've got cancer. We think you're going to die within a few months. Six months was the number that was generally agreed on as the time that you would be expected to pass. We're going to trade in your traditional health insurance to give you a better solution for hospice. And by making that trade, the government actually saves a little money because they're not paying for unnecessary hospitalizations because you're going to die anyway. But we make your life easier at the very end. You die with dignity. Give them some dignity. Right. So when's it happening in California? You get a bunch of doctors that you conned and they actually are fraudsters. Do they'll sign up people who are not dying and lie and say they're going to die? How do I know that? Because in California, you have hospices where the mortality rate is zero. They have a better actuarial survival rate than you and I do today. Like no one dies in these programs. They're clearly lying.

8:15And if you look at the records, you see that. Then you have people who are... As if they die, you lose the cash flow associated with that person, right? Plus, they want them on hospice care for life. And they do set them up for life. And they make money continually. And it corrupts the system. And the corruption doesn't just destroy the medical system, but you now have money flowing to organize criminal efforts. The state government looks the other way. They're getting money back for this in ways that we believe might be linked to, for example, well, that will talk about that in a second. But there's a lot of possible reasons that doesn't get enforced, but it doesn't. In 2022, the state, auditor, general in California, tells Gavin Newsom, you have unmitigated fraud, one-third of all the hospices in the country are in Los Angeles. Not California. One-third. In LA, like how many people are dying in LA, right? So as we begin to get into this, we begin to realize that it's a well-oiled machine. Everyone's getting paid. Everyone's making money. And that's not like a partisan position. I imagine that's a Democrat position appointed probably by the governor who's pointing it out to the Democrat governor.

9:16Exactly, which is why you would think they'd be acting on it. And they take some very small steps. They're going to take a few licenses away here and there, but you have thousands of hospices, 1800 that have now opened in California. So I'll just break news here on your podcast. We've already delisted hundreds of hospices, no longer paying them. And we're revoking their ability to charge us. And we're going to bend the folks involved in these hospices for a decade because they're obviously involved in fraudulent care. And here's the funny part. Well, is there going to be accountability beyond that? Because I mean, this is theft at a very large scale. I mean, Well, I spent last, the dawn hours, last Thursday in Los Angeles with Billy Ascily, who is a ex-leguous attorney in Los Angeles appointed by this administration. We went with a SWAT team and took out some of these fraudsters and in handcuffs, carted them off to jail. They get arraigned and these folks are going to do prisons time. So it's completely a focus of the task force, something that the president announced

10:16that the state of the union addressed a few weeks ago. The next day, the vice president and I, vice president charged in the task force, rolled out announcement. We have banned all durable medical equipment suppliers, new ones from entering into the marketplace until we can fix what's going on there. Durable medical suppliers, by the way, they sell you wheelchairs and canes. We're in South Florida right now. They are twice as many durable medical equipment suppliers in South Florida than McDonald's. And it's not because Bobby's knocking out McDonald's. It's because we've got so much fraud. Although he is trying to, it's not for the trial. I mean, that's a different story. I love is that because the iconic picture your dad tried to get Bobby to eat a bunch of junk food. No, I was in that picture. Oh, you're, yeah, it's me. It's me. We were coming back from the UFC fight. In New York and it's me, my father, Elon and Bobby. And you know, you've eaten with my father. I mean, he eats like a blue collar American. It is not a show. That's what he does. So he's got his two big Macs and multiple fries. And he basically convinces Bobby. And I hand my camera over to one of the guys that he got to get a picture of this

11:17because it's just, it's too funny. And Bobby's eating one of these sandwiches. And when the picture is so funny because his face is like, he was just like caught like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar. So it was like a hostage photo. No. He doesn't know what to do. It was like the most viral photo of that week because it was just so funny. Well, the crazy thing is your dad replicates that weekly in the Oval Office. So he'll pepper Bobby and I usual over the meetings together. So he'll first start off with, you know, candy bars, that little candy jar he'll call it. He'll hit the red button. Yeah. And then comes the diet soda pops, which is, your dad argues that diet soda is good for him because it kills grass. It poured on grass. So therefore must kill cancer cells inside the body. So he'll try. I'm never going to argue this right now. You know, we were on Air Force 1 the other day and I walk in there because he wants to talk about something and he's got an orange soft drink on his desk. Fanta. Yeah. That's what I wanted to say to the brand name on podcast. He's got a fan sign on the desk and I say, are you kidding me? So he starts to take sheep or sheep grain because you know, this stuff's good for me. It kills cancer cells.

12:17And then he tells me it's fresh squeezed. So how bad should it be for you? Okay, okay. But then maybe he's on to something because I will say this. I know a lot of guys pushing 80. Not a lot that have his level of energy. Recall, stamina, you know, is he just the exception that proves the rule? I'm not saying we got to adapt this, but you know, maybe there's something there because I don't, again, I see a lot of guys in 80. I can't think or walk. You probably remember this. But in 2016 that I remember it was just before the election and I offer for your dad and Hillary Clinton to come on the show. And just clear the air about health because both were criticized in the others. And that week, Secretary Clinton got sick and she had to pull out of the show and they want me to pull your dad from coming on. And I said, well, you know, he's the nominee of the Republican Party. He's willing to come on and defend his health. And if you remember that, that was when she had like passed out in the public. In the public. Yeah.

13:17So, but so your dad had that medical record that looked like he had dictated it. And so, so he comes on the show and he got blessed. He brings the actual legitimate note from a doctor with all his lab reports. And I say, well, can I show these to people? He's, yeah, you can have a take a chair. So, I read the note on the air and he was in perfect health. I mean, testosterone, if I quite frankly was through the roof, not taking any supplements. And so, as I went through this, it's uncommon to see that healthy a list of the healthy of labs of anybody, even if they're drinking this, you know, or eating unpopular, you know, non-healthy food, I'll say. But, that's a mess, genetic. But some of your dad argues is because when he's on the campaign trail, he doesn't want to get sick. So, he eats junk food, but it's food made in large reputable chains because they have quality control meals. And there are times he doesn't eat like that. He doesn't always eat junk stuff. Now, he has that meatloaf at Marlowe. Well, the best was when he was like, when he was trying to do like the Atkins diet. And he'd have a, you know, a big ol' steak. And that's, you know, that's great

14:18if you're doing all protein. But then, you know, half a pound of ketchup on it. And then you'd be like, well, I'm just gonna have one scoop of ice cream. I'm like, no, you're doing no carbs. There's no just one scoop of ice cream for dessert. It doesn't work that way. Well, without the ice cream, that's not a bad idea. Your Bobby's on that diet. Now, he's steak with sour crowd or something for a minted meal. I mean, get your dad to do that for a while. I wonder what would happen. Maybe you can do a bad move. I can't tell, you know. But food is sort of, that's his thing. You know what I mean? He doesn't drink. He doesn't do drugs. He never did, never tried it. And so, he always jokes when he pushes that button for the Diet Coke and the candy, the big bowl of candy. You know, he's like, that's my alcohol. And I was like, okay. You know what I'm saying? You know, we had the new dietary guidelines that came out. And we sat in the back before he went out to the depressed conference, and he correlated, you know, and had gone through all the top of the possible questions. You might have me and Bobby and, you know. So, we're on stage in the first question, of course. None of us expected, which was, what about alcohol? And I turn to Bobby and say, you should take that question because I'm not taking that question.

15:19I mean, I'm an AA. I'm taking the alcohol question. And Caroline said, was she not going to take it? She's pregnant. So, I took the question. And I do believe it's because I don't drink much. And you know, dad, of course, doesn't drink at all, which I do think is a very healthy approach. But for a lot of Americans, alcohol is a social lubricant. And there's nothing healthier than having a good time with your friends, as long as no one's getting hurt. Yeah, I heard that answer. And it was like, you know what, it was very unconventional. And yet, I think it actually is very much right. You know, as someone, you know, drank too much of my 20s and, you know, as a kid, you know, there was, there's a point where it's, it can be way too much. But you're right, for the average person, you know, a glass or two of one, whatever it may be or two, like it changes that dynamic. And that sort of, that happiness that comes from it, you know, I'm actually a believer in that because there are a lot of people that are just, especially these days when, you know, younger people, they're just stuck on their phones all the time. They don't have the social norms that we grew up with. It's a lot harder for them to converse. And so I think there's a component to that.

16:19I'm going to celebrate about alcohol. And if you go to places where people live a long time like Sardinia, the Blue Zones, you know, they will sit around, budget, 80, 90 year old men, overlooking these beautiful mountains, and certainly the top, you know, the heights of Sardinia, without having any glass of their red wine. And they use it as an excuse to spend time with them. That's why if you're having alcohol for breakfast by yourself, that's not good. You know, that's a problem. That's a problem. But if you're staying with much of friends and makes more sense, and I think folks shouldn't feel that's a good thing. You shouldn't drink just to do that, but it's understandable. That's what your dad's disciplining along those lines. And I do want to pay some credit to him. I mean, I've had enough meals with him where he's not eating. I mean, the food at Marlaid was top to your food. No, yeah. So, you know, he does that. I think there's more of a typical diet. Yeah. And I think folks will point to that and say, well, that's a part of it. But I think his biggest asset is his curious. Yeah. I mean, he'll call me at all bizarre hours as you have sure does you as well, and have questions. Yeah, I think even if he's not going to adhere to a perfect diet himself,

17:20I think he wants people to at least have the knowledge. And, you know, if you go back, you look at the food pyramid, all these things that we were taught as kids, it really was always upside down and broken, largely paid for by large corporations. And so just getting that information out there can change a lot for a lot of people. And it has. And I think we just got all the hospitals in America, send a letter to them saying, we want you to adopt this food pyramid approach to the hospital foods. When I was training at Columbia, when you go to the ICU, you cannot leave the ICU because the patient is too sick. So you have to eat the hospital food. So all the residents, it's just the senior residents will warn you, don't eat the food. You'll get sick. They tell the residents that. And in fair enough, most of the food that we serve at hospitals, it's, you know, it's a, it's a pejorative to say your food tastes like hospital food. Yeah. And there's a great experiment not being done at Tampa General. And Bobby and I just, like the Secretary of Kennedy, I just went down to Miami to launch this program at the Nicholas Children's Hospital there. But they're making bespoke food for people in hospitals

18:21and it's not costing them more money because you throw a third of hospital food away anyway. But imagine that we're giving people in hospitals real quality food. Imagine kids in schools. Yeah. John, the next question, obviously. Kids in schools, fatter than they've ever been before. I know it's less your world, but, you know, in the overall HHS world, is there a way to work with the Department of Education to be able to bring this and implement it to young kids? Because I think also, there's a habitual component of this. If you grow up eating it right, it's just sort of natural. There's ways to do that. You know, not everyone can go to Whole Foods every day and get, you know, the $97 organic chicken, whatever it may be. But there are basic habits that can be formed. If you start them early enough, they're just sort of natural and you don't even think about the other stuff. Well, we infantilize taste buds. We literally make your taste buds that of a three-year-old. If you don't teach your taste buds in you to eat more sophisticated meals, and we have done the opposite in our school system, and it's actually the Department of Agriculture, it's Prokeroan's group that we're working with more closely,

19:21and this is a major initiative of Secretary Kennedy's to get the school meals addressed. Let me give you a good example. This is going to shock everybody. But because there was this honest narrative that whole milk was bad for you, people who were in charge took out the fat. Now, I don't know if you've tried skin milk recently. It tastes like watery milk. It's just not a peel. I drank it for years until I actually started doing some of the research and seeing it myself. So, wait a minute, the fat's actually better for you than what they jack these things up to create the flavor, which is ultimately carbs. Again, another thing was just totally backwards. To get kids to drink their milk, a dairy product that's now skimmed, they add chocolate syrup. Total calories are the same as the whole milk, but now you have skin milk, which is basically all carbs, because if you take the fat out, you'll open carbs, then you add chocolate syrup. Now, it's more carbs, and you teach kids that very sugary flavor is the norm that you should expect with the beverage. And people when they drink their calories, their brains don't register it. That's the big problem with soft drinks,

20:21is it tricks your brain, it thinks, but your brain's too smart. And your taste buds are wise as well. They say, wait a minute, you gave me something that tastes sweet, like if it's a diet soda, and yet my brain didn't get calories. So, I'm going to go back and find calories. The reason nuts in every study ever done, people eat nuts actually lose weight. They don't gain weight, despite the calories and nuts, it's because nuts have nutrients, they're baby trees, they're tree eggs. And so your brain says, my gosh, you gave me nutrients, I don't have to keep eating. That's why I don't, when I travel, I always keep nuts in my pocket, everyone should. Just carry it around with you. It's, you know, logistically easy to cart with you. I soaked my nuts, you should try that. And the reason for that is you germinate the nuts. Like, I'm almonds in water, they stay plump up, they become alive again, you reawaken them. Like a tree drop the nut. Yeah, of course, right, into the soil, it would begin to germinate, so try it. So you're nuts. So, so you had mentioned some of these health habits, it was interesting, I was in Eastern Europe last week, and I'm driving through the streets, and I'm seeing,

21:22and everyone's smoking, but everyone's skinny. Yeah. It's, it's almost the opposite. America, you see some of smoking today, you're like, who's still smokes, and yet, you see a huge weight problem. Talk about that, you know, because it does seem sort of ironic. I mean, there's almost like an appetite to press and component of that. Are you better off being a bit of a smoker within reason and not fat or obese? No, you're definitely better off not smoking. Smoking has a whole series of other problems and pathologies, but smokers know that they will stay thin if they smoke. That's why many women used to smoke. It was part of the women emancipation process, because advertisers knew that if you give women this feeling, they're independent, and they're doing whatever they want to do, and whatever advice they've, so this is getting back to, you know, the early years of advertising, this, you know, 20s and 30s, 100 years ago, and it was very effective, but they're now alternatives to smoking, like these heated cigarettes that are widely available,

22:25and they're not vaping, they're, they're actually, they don't exist in America, they're going to launch soon. These are small little pouches of nicotine, they're steamed in these pens. So you get the nicotine, but not the carcinogenic? Exactly, and it's cleaner, and it's actually quite popular as an alternative to cigarettes, vaping are, some of the vapes are made in China, so we don't know what's really in them, so we have concerns about them, but the other ways of getting nicotine, that gives you the boost. So obviously, half my viewers might have one in right now. What do you think about the nicotine pouches, as it relates to health and overall, where it's so popular, it feels, especially with the younger people these days? I think they're healthy enough, but let me just make one sort of overarching comment about substances in general. You should never be dependent on an external substance to be the best you can be, but all of us enjoy coffee, one of the pouches that you have in you right now that you can dab or use.

23:26You don't want to destroy your gums with some of these products, but the ones that are out there now are made in ways that protect you and what, you know, enough, and so I'm not curious about this. I just want you to recognize that every once in a while, you should do a little bit of a fast, so to speak. Go without anything in your body, make sure you know what that feels like, and then you can go back to having your coffee in the morning, and I bring that up because coffee is something that we all accept as normal, but if you have to have a coffee when you get up, you're addicted to the caffeine. I actually, I went through that myself, where I was drinking like North of 1,000 milligrams of caffeine a day. Oh my gosh. I'd wake up, I'd have some sort of, you know, two or three, you know, energy drinks, whatever it is throughout the day, and my mood, you know, it was great for a little bit, but 45 minutes later, you just sort of crash, and then you try to double it up, and you just get progressively grumpy, or so I literally cut it almost all out other than like a morning coffee or something like that, and it took a little bit of time, but once I got back to like a normal level of caffeine intake, I felt exponentially better throughout the day.

24:28I would do a little experiment, if you're listening right now, try this out. Tomorrow morning, see if you can go without caffeine. If you get a headache, or you just can't going, get get going, you're addicted. So act like a addict, just stop. You're cold turkeys usually fine, you might have to tap her down, just make sure you can go for a couple days with nothing else out in your body. That's probably, that's true for food too. You should do a fast once a month, just go without food for most of the day, at least till the evening, and just make sure you know what that feels like, and you mentioned taste buds before. One of the beauties of fasting is you awaken your taste buds. Once again, sweet stuff tastes sweet. Otherwise, you get addicted to the feeling that everything has to have sweets to it. And that's one of the major drivers of BC in America. And this was the biggest lie of the food pyramid, just to finish that topic. We, this honestly, I say that because there were clinical trials that did not prove what was claimed. Yeah. And the NIH right now is reproducing all the fundamental studies because so many of them were dishonest. And when you build an entire literature around the health topic

25:30on a faulty chassis, a bad foundation, it collapses under the weight of that because people get sicker, they don't get better. So you, you talked about, you know, you're not wanting to be dependent on anything in the long term. Well, you know, what are your thoughts on some of the stuff going on right now? You see it every day, you know, it's just sort of my, my Instagram feed just gives it to me every other post at this point. All of this stuff is related to peptides because it does feel like that has made a huge, you know, huge difference for a lot of people. But there is sort of a component of dependency on that. Is that different because you're perhaps supplementing something that you're not able to get elsewhere? Well, that's, that's probably the topic to hormone replacement therapy in general. Yeah. So one of the biggest mistakes in women's health has been this is this honest narrative that hormones take in dream menopause are dangerous. There's precious little evidence to support that. Yeah, whatever evidence there is cannot, we believe, be mitigated by taking bioidentical hormones. It's like a morning to carry,

26:31who runs the FDA is taking a strong stance on this. I think he's absolutely right. And so if you're a woman, and this starts when you're in your 40s because your start, progesterone is like valium for the female brain. You think about it when you get pregnant, the first thing that goes is your progesterone goes up because it keeps you calm and tolerant of this big thing invading your body. Right? I'm not only sure there's a tolerance when they're pregnant, but I'm not allowed to say that out loud, maybe too late. I told the third trimester anyway. After that, it's all your fault. At some point it just becomes honest. Why did you do this today? But valium does tend to come women and when they're valium, I'm sorry, progesterone, acts like valium in doing that. When your progesterone starts to come down in your 40s and 50s, you become less tolerant of the BS that you tolerant women. That's why most divorces in in in, once you get age 50 are instigated by women, not men. Because they said, when you're a jerk, you've been a jerk or a whole married life, I'm not tolerating anymore and they walk. And so the ability to give women back progesterone or estrogen, which deals with the hot flashes, the inability to sleep,

27:33the allowed of the irritability, the brain fog also is helpful. And women stop making testosterone as well. So the libido drops. So you give women these hormones at a critical time in their life and it smooths out the menopause process for at least the third of women. Yeah. And so the same goes to men, men make less testosterone, they stop making growth hormone. And they're now peptide. Many of these developed in Eastern Europe and by the Russians, they use them as performance enhancing tools and there was a fair amount of research done, but again, it's Eastern European and Russian research, not studied under traditional American oversight, but it doesn't mean it doesn't work. No, they were pretty good at what they did at the time. There's a way to overdo it. They get everything else. East German women's team basically turning into men. It's a little different, but it's a big deal. I think one of the things, the guys I know, now these are generally successful guys, they can afford to do some of these things, it has sort of priced itself out of the average guys paycheck.

28:37There's the issue of compounding and be able to basically have generics of this version, which I think also eliminates sort of the black market side of this, where you don't exactly know what you're getting and probably not getting exactly what you're being told. Are there efforts to make this more affordable so that everyone has that same chance to be able to utilize these things to optimize their bodies? Yes, but I would argue the myopic approach to this space by conventional medicine. In fact, people like Mike Pedigree, I mean, I'm Professor Emeritus of Columbia. We have been disdainful of this area of research and it is an unfortunate blind spot that I do think academic medicine is engaging it now, but you have to have researchers, high caliber folks go out and get funding and study how these things work. For example, does testosterone help men if they have low testosterone? Absolutely, yes. But a lot of the low T ads are for people whose testosterone is not low. And so giving extra testosterone. Or pure testosterone without the other things. That is accurate.

29:38It's great for a little while. Then you become dependent. You stop producing natural testosterone. So there's also the peptides that will just stimulate your body's natural way of making it themselves, which is probably better because you don't become as dependent. And some of these medications, as you know, that stimulate growth hormone, for example, are more natural ways of keeping you, because growth hormone is the ultimate way that you'll stay feeling youthful. But what's the best way of generating growth hormone? Sleep. And so if you're not sleeping well and not doing the other things in your life, diet, exercise, et cetera, that are helpful for youthful life, just, you know, mainlining some of these peptides is not going to overcome that. So on top of that, if there's still a problem, I do think they make sense. And folks who have beans definitely seek the amount and they get good results oftentimes because they have high quality dogs involved in the process. There's this whole sort of side, not black market, it's a side show that there's not being embraced by a traditional medicine. And we need to change that. This is, again, getting back to this broad concept of food. Why is it that we're forcing medical schools

30:38to teach students about nutrition? And I'll tell you something that I don't talk about much. I ran for student body president in Penn. That I'm a campaign promise was to put a nutrition class in the school. Now Penn is a top tier medical school. We should have had a nutrition class, but we didn't. We only learned about these rare African, you know, you crush a core and, you know, very, very, these weird, you know, nutritional deficiencies. Why is that important? If you don't learn about something in medical school as a doctor, you don't think it matters. Because that was the system. Put them on medication. You have a patient for life that's, it's cash flow associated. You know, there's a lot of. And you're disdainful of nutrition because if it was important, they would have taught me. So obviously, it doesn't matter. I'd rather give you drugs. So we, you know, we pander. We say, yeah, you're right. But what does that really mean? Teaching people culinary nutrition where we actually push you as a patient to learn how to make something with beans in it. And learn how to eat them and replace some of the junk that you're eating. And that's affordable, by the way, if you use some of these, you know,

31:40high quality sources of protein, that actually not. But if you never teach anybody, you don't have that. Do you create a system that's corporatized? And that's what ends up happening. You privatize the profits, you socialize the costs. You make money as a food manufacturer. It all comes in junky stuff that is designed to titulate someone's palate. But when people get sick eating that food, the system pays for it, not you. Yeah, that's a. And we can do better than that. And that's a major part of the Mahabubit. It makes it easier to be healthy in America. That's why moms are complaining today. You don't, you hear this all the time. That it's harder for them to raise healthy kids than it was for their moms to raise them. Something serious. Well, you see it today, young kids, the testosterone scores of kids that should be north of 1,000, are the equivalent of a man in their 70s and the 50s. It's a, you see these numbers here. How is that even possible? I mean, then obviously there's got to be some environmental factors to it. There's got to be, you know, it's a whole hodgepodge of things, but certainly food is a big part of it. Yeah, and that part I actually believe

32:40we have it on America's radar screen, but they're still going to be people who need medications. And this is a topic that has been in your dad's radar for a long time. And I'll just put it out there right now. The argument he'll make in private is why are we paying three times more for the exact same drugs made in American factors oftentimes than the Europeans are paying for that. And so he tried to address this in the first term. It's one of the first things that I remember. He brought a lot of us, Secretary Kennedy, me, and a bunch of the former guys together early on. And he said, you guys can have to fix this. No longer are we going to tolerate global free loading. Other countries have to be there. Here's our most favorite nation's pricing, right? I mean, that's a really big deal. And I saw those stats too. It was like, you know, the guy in America buying insulin spending hundreds of dollars a month in Europe, eight bucks. And it's like, wait, this is an American company, manufacturing America. Like the American taxpayer was subsidizing the health of European nations while getting screwed themselves. It never made any sense. And I know in the first term,

33:40they sort of took care of it on insulin. But there's a lot of other things that people have to deal with there. They talk about a little bit of that because I know that's been a huge push that, you know, and again, with our media, I know it's going to give them credit when you guys get something done. You've learned this, you know, probably the hard way as well. You can do all sorts of great things. But if no one hears about it, they don't even know. They may not even know these things are available to them. Talk about that most favorite nations because that is feeling, you know, it seems like that's trillions of dollars over, you know, a few years of savings to the American taxpayer that no one's even heard about yet. And it's a moral hazard when we can't afford our medications. Let me give you a stats, gonna blow your mind. One in three Americans, when they go to the pharmacy to pick up their medications prescribed by a doctor, leave empty handed because they can't afford the medication. That should never happen. And so in the Trump administration, there is a all government approach to this. So working with commerce because overseas pricing matters here, working with healthy human services, working with every facet of government, we have gone out and negotiated

34:41with the biggest drug companies out there and done something never-manager, never-imaginable. And it only happened, I'm confident, because the president was loud and clear. We will not tolerate this. So either peacefully do the right thing, be fair in your pricing and it's called MFN, most favorite nation pricing, which means if you sell a drug for a price in Europe, you must sell it for that price or less in America. And that has now become the norm. No one thought it was possible, but it's like NATO. What happened in NATO? The president said, guys, you're defending yourselves against a foreign threat. Everyone's gonna empty up. We can't just be America paying for Europe. And so all the European countries increased to 5% the amount of their GDP, they were dedicating to defending themselves. Well, guess what? Cancer is a threat too. It's an internal threat. So we're doing the same thing. You guys all have to empty up and increase percentage of your GDP. And we will still pay a lot, but we're not gonna pay unfairly more of the American people aren't gonna be mistreated. No more global freeloading. And now we have gotten countries like England,

35:42which is one of the toughest negotiators. They have agreed, they're gonna pay more for their drugs. We're gonna pay less. Globally, we're gonna have access to better drugs. We're not gonna cut out innovation. So the president again, very wisely, protected the innovative American companies making these life-saving drugs by getting Europe and Asia to pay more, letting Americans pay less, but it's a sustainable program. And you know what I'll tell you? This is an inside baseball, but it's critical. You look at a pharma CEO in the eyes, and you say, it's over. We're not gonna pay three times more than you're charging our people as they charge other countries. And they all said sort of the same thing. You know, one day we knew you would come knocking. We're not gonna play with the fire that the president represents because then he'll come after us. We'll make a deal. And they have, God bless them. Every one of them came to the table and did the deals they should have done years ago. Why did it took this many years to get a powerful enough person in office to be able to push this finish line, is shocking, but at least this happened.

36:43How do you lock that in perpetuity, right? Because I can see, hey, we all understand how DC works, the special interest, the formal obvious, whatever it is. Trump leaves office and you get a Democrat. It's like, hey, we're gonna make a big sizable campaign contribution, but we wanna be making trillions of dollars here on the back end again. How do you lock that in? Because that seems like, you know, that's a generational shift for the better for America. How do you make sure you codify that into law so that they can't just go back to their old ways, the second they're like, you know, go back to someone who doesn't care, is in on the grift, whatever it may be. It is an existential fear that we should have. That all this great progress will revert back to the way it was a year and a half ago if we don't continue to win these elections. I do not believe there's a way for these rules to stay in place unless either we codify them, which means we get Congress to ratify them to last beyond this present. Again, speak very transparent. The president did what he promised to do, and these deals are intact throughout his administration.

37:46What he's trying to do now is protect the future administrations so that these companies will not go back to business as usual. So either we're going to codify it through Congress or we're going to have to push the companies to make other deals to protect future administrations. But this is a generational opportunity for us to fix healthcare in America. It's one of the reasons that President Trump is so focused on this area. When, why am I getting phone calls at hours? Because he's thinking about it a lot, and he's focused and he's not getting credit for it. And he should, but these kinds of advances aren't going to normally happen. So let's not waste this opportunity. Let's make sure that most favored nation pricing of drugs, that's fair for Americans, is the rule of the land going forward. Let's make sure that we're smart about some of the other changes that have to happen within healthcare, like taking the fraud ways to abuse that, it's $100 billion a year we're spending a fraud. If I just put that numbers that you might make it more translatable, if you're worried about Medicare being there for you when you retire, which most young people are, we would double the life expectancy

38:47of the Medicare Trust Fund if we stopped defrauding Medicare. So these are massive affordability benefits. So we have affordability toward most favored nation. We have affordability because we're driving fraud out of the system. We have affordability because we're making people healthier, which is, remember, 80% of the money we spend in healthcare is because of chronic illnesses. There are cars by the lifestyle that we have allowed to be fermented by folks who profit off illness and all of the friction in the system is profit. Think about this. There's probably 150 people in America who make it a fortune because they have friction in the healthcare system and they take tolls. Every time they open up a little opportunity for you to get healthy again, they tax you. We want that gone and the biggest way of changing the old system that has basically created the largest healthcare system in the world and we are at risk of basically being a large healthcare system with a small country attached is AI. And let me ask you a question. When was the last time you saw a movie

39:48about AI with a happy ending? Never happens. The terminator. The terminator. That's the happiest again. The Armageddon and Destruction of Humanity. We have got the change in narrative. AI has risks associated with it. But if we can get people to appreciate that AI can be incredibly deflationary, incredibly effective at saving money. Why? Because it improves quality of care. Yeah, so I imagine, I mean, maybe talk a little bit about your role at CMS. I don't know that people understand exactly what that is, but what it can do to help prevent that fraud. And then maybe the integration of AI in preventing the fraud again, because that's all upside back to the balance sheet to keep this going. But also then to optimize outcomes later on. I mean, because you're right. The popular thing these days, AI doomsday scenario and everything, but it can actually be utilized to implement so much of what you're doing that in actuary. It accountant, a couple of guys crunching numbers, can't possibly deal with the sheer level and volume of data that's out there

40:51to be able to figure out where these things are, both from the bad on the fraud side and the good from the health benefits side. You make an excellent point, but let me ask you sort of a higher level question. Why is it that AI is such an important part of detecting bank fraud? The reason is not just because it's better at churning numbers. Bank managers don't think like fraudsters. So if you're trying to catch a fraudster, you've got to kind of find someone who thinks like them. And there's a natural disconnect. So when banks began using AI to catch fraudsters because AI can think like a fraudster, it began to think ahead of fraudsters. They shut it down before it started. We have to do that in healthcare. I get to administer Medicare and Medicaid. The people I hire are not good at fraud. They don't come in the government to be fraudsters. So you've got to. They assume people are being honest dealers and no one's gonna game the system. And then if they suspect bad apples out there, they don't think the way they think these guys are so reprehensible. Like you would never, never let someone die to make money off them.

41:52But these assholes, I'm sorry, these jerks do that. That's okay. They're assholes, it's fine. And they are more than willing to weaponize that and take advantage of us. So they will work with foreign governments. Oftentimes they are foreign nationals. They flee back to the native country. So we're taking it a very different game. AI allows the healthcare system to get ahead of where the fraud is, to think about where they're going next and shut them down. The same way, it rents fraud in banking. It can prevent fraud and healthcare. But the bigger opportunity for us is not fraud. It's abuse and waste. If we can get to you and connect with you about things that are important to your well-being and not you to make wise decisions, you'll be healthier and it'll save us money. I'll give you one concrete example. So if you're a Medicare, older folks, over 65, you get a free, free annual wellness visit. At no charge to you, you can see a doctor and get them to examine you and give you advice about your health. What percentage of Americans actually take this? Less than half. Why? Because they think they're healthy.

42:53But we have claims data. I know if you're healthy or not. Right. And it turns out, although you think you're healthy, you're actually sicker than the people who take their free annual wellness exam. So what do I do? I've got to convince people who think they're immortal, they think they're Superman, who are not getting advice from a doctor about their illness to actually participate. So for the first time ever, we are actually paying technology companies to develop apps to reach out to the American people and meet them where they are. So if you're worried about some health problem, you don't have to guess or run away from a doctor. I'll come to you in the form of an app. I'll use an avatar. I'll use a Genetic AI. And I'll be able to connect with you about stuff that's important that you might not otherwise want to deal with, but with my help and AI, you'll start to connect with us. I need to talk more to the American people. Medicare, Medicaid, the ages here, your dad put me in charge of, we are the insurance company for 170 million Americans. If I could get them to think differently about their obligation almost to be healthy,

43:56because it's your most patriotic thing you can do. Stay healthy, you'll be there for all of us. Well, it fixes all the other problems in the system, right? If you prevent someone from ever actually getting sick, you're not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars per individual to keep them healthy. And this is going to blow your mind, but it's really critical and cool when you understand it. If we could get the average American, if you're so healthy, so vibrant, so strong, that they want to actually work one year longer, instead of retiring up to 35 years of service, they go 36 year, that is worth at trillion dollars to the GDP of the country. The productivity of the American people is so powerful that just one more year of work deals with a lot of our budget issues. So the real opportunities, what we unleash from getting people healthy, which is why allowing AI to meet you where you are. So critical, here's my prediction. A year from now, we're going to start launching a genetic AI, what does that mean? Instead of me sitting back as Medicare, Medicaid, and waiting for you to get sick and call me, we're going to reach out to you.

44:56Tell-com companies are doing this now. So we're going to reach out to, hey, Don, you're on this program. I noticed you didn't do this, or you didn't take a support minute, or you didn't get that test. Based on what we know about you, and you've let me look at your medical records, because we're making that easy to happen. Now, you own your records, by the way, you paid for them, you own them, you should use them, give them to whoever you want, and hide them from whoever shouldn't see it. You've given me your records, based on this, you ought to do these three things. And I'm going to avoid you getting an illness, maybe even Alzheimer's, so that you have now years more productive life to build value in America, help America be more productive as a nation, that's the future that we're going to unlock. And I mean, I would think that actually has an exponential sort of effect as well, because if you talk about Alzheimer's, someone with Alzheimer's doesn't just take that person out. It takes out multiple other people, and perhaps in the family who then have to care for this person, so it's really a multiple hit. You know, in all the interviews I've done, no one has actually picked up on that fundamentally important observation. It's not just a sick person,

45:56but you're dragging the people who love them out of the system as well, and destroying their quality. The caregiver of burden is massively important. Thanks for bringing it up. Alzheimer's is a great example, because we have a blood test now that can predict that within 10 years, you will develop Alzheimer's. It's not 100% but it's darn good. If I could give you that test, and you would know that you're going to become a burden to your family in 10 years, would you change your life? Would you take precautions? And maybe your family members may help you with that. Yes, actually. They're part of the solution, by the way. That actually exists. The question is, are we willing to give this test now? And I'm a little nervous because until we are confident that we have tools to dramatically change that natural history, we're going to scare a lot of people. We believe if we gave that test to all seniors, one in three with test positive. Now that's also possibly a good news item because if the lifestyle changes that we now believe

46:57to be effective, more effective than drugs even, based on a series of studies from top notch doctors around the country, if we can start to implement that into the programs we offer in Medicare, for example, and dramatically change that natural history, I mean, imagine the productivity we would unleash, the valuable years of extra quality life and the reduction of pain. That gives me goosebumps to think of that opportunity, but it only really becomes possible if we can meet you where you are, and we need AI to do that, which is why right now we're an existential problem. We've got people who don't trust AI, everything they're hearing, the media scares them appropriately. We've got everyday more bad news about how AI could destroy us, but the other side of that story, the power to do good isn't being balanced against that. And I worry that we're going to shut down some of these opportunities. Meanwhile, China is not stopping anybody from doing anything. And you can never get behind the A ball on that. Once you lose that race, you get to a point you can never catch back up because it's just, it feeds off itself. It is the biggest opportunity we have,

47:58and it's the biggest risk we're facing. And the administration is very aggressively trying to do that balancing act, but there needs to be an honorable discussion about this. And just because of who your dad is, I'm concerned people aren't willing to have it. Whereas this is an American problem. The management syndrome will make you take a logical thing and make it not so logical. And blind us to real fears that all of us, red and blue should be worried about. So if you're running Medicare, Medicaid right now, what is the most urgent part of those programs that needs that cleanup? What can we implement right away to be able to, again, extend this out? So those young people who are paying into these systems forever actually get that benefit from them. The biggest opportunity in healthcare in America is to pay people because they provide value, not because they provide services. Historically, the best way for me to pay you is to say, hey, Don, you're a heart surgeon. I'm a heart surgeon, take me, I'm a heart surgeon. I got paid per procedure. Now, if I did an inappropriate operation,

49:00I got paid too. If I had a bad outcome, I got paid too. The most expensive thing in healthcare is bad quality care. Because I pay someone who's not able to do a good job or did it inappropriately, unethically, I pay anyway, then I pay someone who's high quality to fix the problem. And then I got to pay for the downstream complications. There's a Turkish proverb, it takes one full to throw a coin in a well and 99 wise men to pull it back up again. That's what we're dealing with in healthcare. If we could shift everything to just paying for value, only pay if you provide outcomes that are good for the American people, for you as an individual, it would dramatically change all the incentives. Let me talk about that in sort of the form of also insurance because there seems to be a serious malalignment of how these things work. I mean, I see the stories where I hear it from friends. They go in, I needed eight stitches. They got to build for $15,000. Straight stitch. I've given myself stitches. It's not like, I'm not saying, I'm not a doctor. I don't pretend to be, but I was just in a bad spot.

50:02This is what I could do. Not $15,000 worth of work. And yet, if they go, well, I don't have insurance, I'll just pay cash. Oh, that will be $300. How is that possible? How have these sort of disincentives been created? Because ultimately, the insurance side is either paid for by the other people on those programs in the form of higher premiums or ultimately backstopped by the American taxpayer. How come you can't have most favorite nations in that aspect as well? Because it seems like, in this case, the hospitals are just taking advantage of people paying insurance because there's too many bureaucrats, too many middlemen throughout the process. Your dad, if you really want to get me started, asking about transparency. We have a proposal to Congress that we believe is critically important to provide the transparency that we've been not talking about since your dad's first administration. And the reason it's important is what you just said. If you're going to go buy a car and people don't tell you what it costs before you buy it, you can't make a wise decision.

51:03We remove the market forces of the impurchaser, if you don't inform people about what the opportunities are. This intermediates the market system from the healthcare system and to people can charge whatever they want. And so if you provide transparency, if a hospital says this is what it costs to get stitches, it's $300, pay now and you get to stitches, that's great. But if you don't get told that number and they know they can balance bill you $15,000, and eventually put you in the poor house over this, even though they don't want to, they'll do it because then what else is doing it, it corrupts the system. Which is why we are demanding transparency and we will start finding hospitals starting now. Just this month, we have the rules in place to be able to go after hospitals who don't exchange information fairly and who don't actually provide transparency on these topics. And some of them are smaller hospitals as hard for them to provide transparency, but enough's enough. We as a nation have to be able to at least tell people what we're going to charge them for, like any other sector of the US economy.

52:03So who are the bad actors in them? Like if you specifically have to pick out, a middleman, a contractor, a billing shop, who are the people that are really gaming that system and turning that into an exorbitant profit center? Because how do you attack those individuals? So I can't imagine it's just not one place, right? It's got to be sort of along the chain. There's 15 middlemen, most of whom probably aren't adding all that much value, but everyone's getting paid, right? So as you describe it, it sounds like a flaw in the system. But for people in the system, it's a massive feature, right? Anytime it creates friction in a system like this, I make sure that there's profit that's extracted. So the folks who are involved in particular with the designing of hospital bills and the recollection of those expenses and the insurance companies pretending they're saving a lot of money when they're really not, because they could have gotten it for a much better price, but they get paid a percentage of the total amount of money that's charged. So the higher the amount of money, the more percentage they get paid.

53:04Now, in fairness across the system, if you don't police this, then people are going to take advantage of it. So I have to actually come back to the government and to the role that we have played over the years and say, we have got to be serious with these folks. We're going to come after you and your dad has charged us to do this if you cheat the American people. If you treat them fairly, yeah, it's expensive. By the way, $300 is still a lot of money for a lot of people, right? Oh, it's a lot of money. It's not free, but is that one? It's $15,000, the right cost for an ER bill. Well, it was shocking, it's really the delta. Yes. How can one person get it for 300? And one person is getting it for $15,000. There's no additional value. It was just like, yeah, we can charge it, so we will. We're going to deliver a transparency platform. And this is, again, part of the larger build out of what we're doing within Medicare Medicaid. And we want to be the leading payer. We want to be the gold standard, so you copy us. If you're not, you know, US government and you don't want to copy us, that's your problem. But ideally, most people will say, well, you know, you've got to figure it out. So when you go to get an MRI scan for a knee injury,

54:06we want you to look on your app and see 12 different places around where you live that offer different prices for MRI scans and hold people accountable for those prices. So if one place is $300, $1,000, $3,000, which is, by the way, these are real prices. Hopefully, the American people will say, I'll go to the $300 place, because obviously, there's something about this now. That may be the reason you go to the $3,000 place. That's your choice, you could pay more if you want, because that's your, you could buy an expensive car, cheap car. But if the exact same car cost 10 times a month different, you'll probably buy the cheaper car. So you're obviously going to run into a lot of internal resistance, you know, whether it's the hospital, whether it's one of these middlemen. Do you have any internal resistance, even from, you know, sort of legacy government people who've just been like, well, we just don't want to actually have to do the work to actually fix these things, because it sounds like you have a plan. It seems very logical to me. And yet, the fact that it hasn't been implemented before screams of a much larger problem. So a couple of epiphanies on this topic. One, the average employee in the federal government is not like the Sloth and Zootopia, or just what I mistakenly thought, you know,

55:07that there's moving slowly and mandering. They actually want to do their jobs. And they often gave up really good paying jobs to come in. The problem is you get lobbied aggressively, even when you're trying to do the right thing. And the best part about this job for me is when I go tell the president, your dad, hey, this is going to be a real problem. People are going to make a lot of noise. You know what he says? I don't give a damn. I didn't come into this job to be able to make friends. I got plenty of friends. I came here to do the things we promised the American people we would do, and that gives us carte blanche to go out there and fight for the American people. I have been the subject of some massive lobbying campaigns. And not once, not once, have I been told to stand down because of lobbyists. There are times when what we're trying to do might not be the right thing for the American people. And it takes us a while to figure out that there's a better way of doing it. That's a different discussion. But the fact that we can tell the entire organization, march forward in the battle, we have artillery behind us, air cover over us.

56:07Just do your jobs is an effective and very motivating strategy. And I love telling our teamists, we just released this week to a big town hall our objectives and key results. When I go in there and I say, all I'm asking you to do is do your job. The reason you came here, the reason you're proud to be an American, the reason is a patriot, I want to fix a system that's failing too many Americans, is that we've not been free to do our jobs. Go out there and do it. These guys march in the battle, they're almost with religious zealotry. I'm so proud of my Kent, tell you. That's great. Talk a little bit about Trump Rx. I know you guys launched that a couple months ago. I've looked at myself. I mean, the numbers are insane. I mean, obviously we want to get people healthy. Hopefully they're never dependent on prescriptions. But if you are going to be dependent on prescriptions and a lot of people will talk about that because it's one of these things that I was like, I saw it. I was like, that's the greatest win ever. That's incredible. I mean, we touched on it a little bit as it relates to pricing. But this is a program you can go in there.

57:09You can say what you need. And the call savings aren't like, it's not like 10, 15%. I mean, these are 3, 4, 5, x, what you were paying, you don't need. This is a favorable side. And yet, I don't know if that's the media. I don't know if it's just messaging. It feels like no one even knows about it. I mean, in going through various things, even for myself, it's like, I go, just out of curiosity. I got to see what I'm blessed to probably be able to pay for my drugs or whatever it is. It's like, oh my God, these are game-changing things. And yet, again, maybe it gets lost in some of the chaos of the rest of the world, or maybe it's one of these lies by omission that you have from the media where they're never going to give you credit for that. Can you talk about that program where people can find out about it, where people can compare the stuff that they're buying? Because it seems like a no-brainer for everyone to be looking at this stuff. One in three Americans know about TrumpRx.gov. I'm going to say it a dozen times, so everyone thinks about it. I get it. But it is one of the most spectacular examples of government gone good. So let's just open the commoner here

58:10and describe what really happened. We've got these great drug deals with most favored nation drug pricing. And if end drug pricing allows now Americans to have access to prices that, to your point, I tend to what they used to be just a few months ago. We have to put these prices somewhere so the American people had access to them. So think of TrumpRx.gov as a transparency site. No matter what you're out there doing and what you're taking a buying, before you make a decision, you should go to TrumpRx.gov and just check out the site to make sure you're not getting ripped off or that maybe if there's a better price there, you might want to get it through the TrumpRx system again. We don't make any money on it. This is a transparency site. This is a gift from the president to the American people just take advantage of this transparency site. So you're going to go out there and let's say you want to buy a weight loss drug. You go to TrumpRx.gov, if you go to a CVS, for example, they'll actually on the computer screen, let you log on to TrumpRx.gov and see if the prices are better on the website than they are in the store. And are you still going to get from the same store? You could, sometimes you can't, sometimes you should buy directly from the manufacturer. Sometimes there's another place to get it.

59:11It's okay, the pharmaceutical industry and the pharmacies have both sort of shipped in here and been transparent about the pricing. Just buy it from the best place. That drives market forces to push the prices down so everyone gets the best prices. They're still profit in this business. No one's going bankrupt. But now we're paying what they pay in Europe, not what, they're not, you know, several times what they're paying in Europe. You go, you get the drug and now you'll actually start to use it. It opens up a marketplace. So for the first time ever, we're giving Medicare beneficiaries access to JLP1 drugs for obesity. Why are we doing that? Because we're going to save money for the taxpayers within two years. Because if you're taking these medications and losing weight and because you lose weight, you have less hypertension and less diabetes and all the downstream problems they're caused by, hypertension and diabetes, like strokes and heart attacks and kidney failure, we're going to save a lot of money and make people healthier. So both because you're able to keep working and because you're not charging money to the healthcare system unnecessarily, we're saving America money. Yes, so you may not always just get the benefit if you don't specifically ask or look about it, right?

1:00:14Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Maybe it may be available, but, you know, someone's not just going to give it to you. I mean, the whole system sort of screwed up between pharmacies and the PBMs and, you know, there's been a lot of pulling out. So if you're not specifically going out there and sort of proactively looking for it, favorite nation's pricing may exist. You may just not get it. They're not just going to give it to you automatically. And, you know, at this point, it becomes buyer of you where. Once we put all the numbers there, I made it easy for you to access them. Now it's a little bit of an obligation on you, but I'll give you one concrete example. It's actually one of the most popular things on TrumpRx.gov, fertility drugs. So one in three Americans is under-babyed. By that, I mean, they either have no children or they want to have more than they have. One in three are fertility rates. I don't want to tell the, you know, just this week, the new numbers came out. 1.47, that's, I mean, shockingly low. When you and I were young, that's not getting the replacement value at all. We're replacing values 2.1. 2.1 because you do lose some children, they, you know, so you have to make more than the, the family of the father and the mother, they got to make more than two kids on average. And so we're not 1.47.

1:01:16One of the big reasons that's given for why Americans are under-baby is they can't afford to make the baby. They're having fertility issues. So the major drug that's used is a drug called Gano F. And it comes with other drugs as well. That drug costs $3,000, $4,000 in America. It's a tenth that price in Europe. That drug now is the same price in America as it is in Europe. It's one tenth the price. But you have to go through. You gotta go to TrumpRx.gov to get the medication at that price. But now we're having Trump babies. People are actually getting the medication there. We're making Trump babies. Well, but it's also, yeah, it's also gotten harder because people have gone into careers longer, women, you know, the whole factor. And so, you know, starting in your 40s is a lot harder. It's a lot harder to do it. You've put off a lot of those years. And so I would think the IVF, drugs and all of these things are, if that's part of it, that's a huge deal. And it allows people to actually, on many of whom you probably know a lot of them, because I know IVF was a huge part of your practice, you know, prior to you taking a government job

1:02:17and doing this, but people just couldn't afford to do it, even if they wanted to. Even if they regretted perhaps waiting so long, those are the, you know, a career that, you know, ultimately their corporation then fired them or they went nowhere. And they're saying, wait, I just gave up my, you know, effectively fertile years to do this. We have the ability to extend that stuff. People can do these things. They just weren't always aware. And it's the classically American thing is give everyone a fair chance to get people in the playing field and let them do their best. But if you can't afford to get on the playing field, you can't afford the price of admission, then you get boxed out. And it's really a tragedy because a lot of people would love to have children. They'd be great parents, but you can't afford these massive numbers. And so by bringing down drug prices, which are an important part of fertility practices, you're now democratizing making babies. It's as creative and opportunities you can offer literally the American people that it all came about because the Trump administration that by your dad said enough is enough. So TrumpRx.gov is an incredibly important part

1:03:19of our efforts philosophically. It's not just a money saver. It's the ultimate definition of fairness. And it's a big deal because it's also, and it's not just some sort of drug. I mean, if you can use it for GOP ones and weight loss drugs, that's also has a health benefit, obviously, in the end. If you can use it for IVF, I mean, it's not just probably what you're thinking of specifically in your, you know, when you're adding more drugs, it's literally anything you could be using. Yeah, and we're adding more drugs. Like today, literally added more drugs before I came to sit down with you. And we're going to continue adding drugs. You've talked earlier about the message not getting out. One of the reasons I wanted to spend some time talking to you is because podcasts are an incredibly effective way to get people just to stop through the merry-round for a minute and just focus it on a few things that are life-changing. What we are recognizing now in America is we could actually fix the problems we've all been lamenting. And I don't care where you are in the political spectrum. There have been some very brave decisions taken by this administration,

1:04:19because as a leader, your dad, who has over and over again said, I don't care, I'm going to do the right thing. And so when you've got someone who's got the fortitude, the colonists, to make these choices, we need to finish the job. Yeah. We brought affordability to healthcare in several ways. We were most favored nation drug pricing with TrumpRx.gov as the ultimate payoff, taking out the fraud waste and abuse in the system, challenging some of the legalized money laundering that was bankrupting the healthcare system. We saved Medicaid. Your dad did and congress did with the working families tax set legislation. We have had huge impact on tax bills, which right now Americans are finally realized when a big gift this was to get them back on their feet again. But some of the challenges that were created in the past four years will take time to fix. We cannot stop moving forward. There's a famous line that Winston Churchill offered during the darkest days of the battle of Britain in the 1940, as the Second World War was progressing. Say, when you're going through hell, it's no time to stop.

1:05:20Yeah, keep going. Moving forward in positive ways and so many of the existential challenges to our nation. Challenges that as a people, we would be defined by. And when I go out and recruit people to enter a government, which is the most important thing I do that, and I think it's probably true for a lot of folks in the administration. My job is to hire the smartest people I can find and make sure they don't kill each other. Literally. Just get them in there and then fix the problem. TrumpRx.gov is beautiful because Joe Jebbia and Ed Corrstein, these brilliant programmers and designers, Ed is a brilliant 20-year-old and Joe Jebbia built Airbnb. They're donating their time and their lives to fixing the front end of the US government websites. But when they build a world-class website, like TrumpRx.gov, that's the fastest processor of any website I've ever seen in my life, that's a donation to the American people. When the prices that are put in there

1:06:20are negotiated by world-class negotiators who are never in government normally. And in fact, if you talk to our counterparties in Pharma, they want to hire these guys. They've never seen negotiators like these folks. When you have world-class folks like David Sachs, who's trying to get AI to be part of the next generation of American leaders, because that way we'll stay ahead of China. When we got pigs like Secretary Kennedy who are bravely taking on the food industrial complex, you know, you don't get these folks in the room usually. My pray, we continue this unique time in American history. I camo lot type experience for the next couple of years. So the president can finish his agenda because we will lead this country so much stronger if we can pull that off. I mean, I think that's such an important point. I mean, you know, people who are willing to step out of the private sector, good jobs, making a lot of money. I mean, you did it yourself. I mean, you incredibly successful doctor. Incredibly successful businesses. TV personality, all of these things. I mean, you sort of had an interesting way of getting in it.

1:07:21Like my father, he sort of, after a while, I was like, I'm sick of this shit. We can't just throw stones from the sidelines. We got to get in the game. I mean, you actually ran for Senate against, you know, John Federman before ever taking this job. Talk a little bit about that because A, I know from experience, it takes a lot of guts to get into that, especially in the worlds that you came from. Certainly the world that my father came from in New York City as a real estate developer, you know, in the industry. Now, you know, whether, and this is, what you're doing is really apolitical, but like, you're working for a guy that's a Republican. And so I imagine that wasn't easy. Talk a little bit about that because it sort of feels like, you went through hell in a Senate race. That's a brutal, that's a brutal type of thing. It didn't win, but like, now you end up here. I mean, just, just opening that door to be available to fix these things seems like such an incredible experience. Tell me what that was like. Your dad is very fond of commenting how lucky I am that I lost that race. Yeah. It was the only thing you ever lost that you're probably better off having lost in a certain way.

1:08:21Well, I think he's right. And there is a God, you know, you look for your purpose. I always believe that was the change business. I wanted to change the way you practice heart surgery. I wanted to change when we talked about health. That's why I launched the show. I ran for government office because I really felt that the bigger changes needed to involve, in my case, the Senate. It was very painful to lose that race. You know, and it's interesting was because before you run for an office, you should do opposition research on yourself. So I hired a group to just find out where all the warts are in my past. No one's perfect. And the guys came back and said, gosh, this is remarkably good. And I said, oh, my goodness, that was sad up. I was so proud of it. Wow, you know, I've had to applaud this life. You know, no major issues. And they said, that's not good. That's what he mean. He said, okay, there's nothing that's obviously a blemish. They're going to have to manufacture something that's plausible. So now you don't know where it's coming from. And they're going to make up stories about you that are believable, plausible, because they're going to have to do something. They're going to just let you win. And so you go through, and your family does,

1:09:23a lot of pain through that process. But I liken it to the Samurai sword. I think this is true for your family as well. The Samurai's would take steel, and they'd bend it, and it'd heat it, and hammer it. And then they'd bend it again, and heat it, and hammer it. And they did it enough times that they could make the steel so strong that it could not be broken. And when you go through those difficult times, I actually find that it does steal you. And in my case, I think my family's better able to deal with the incoming now. But you also realize... But it is a culture shock at first, right? I mean, it's like a cold point. You guys were loved by everyone, and then now you're going to piss off some people. That's a lot of people that I thought my friends were clear and saying, I wasn't their friend anymore. But I tell you, there are a lot of folks that are not cowards that will bravely say, listen, I appreciate that you're doing this. I know you wouldn't. Well, it's guys like you that also open the door for others who should be doing what you're doing. Instead of people who are just like, well, you're there, so you're a bureaucrat. Get in there.

1:10:23I think just opening that door for other real people to say, you know what I'm gonna take a couple years of my life to actually make this change? Is a huge, is a huge deal. It is a generational opportunity. And what I tell every person that I'm trying to recruit and right now, in case you're not clear, I'm trying to recruit you because if you listen into this podcast, you could help. And I'll speak about this, you know, obviously for my health perspective, but it's true of any, any arm of government. If you do not come enjoying us now in this generational opportunity to change our country for the better, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. And here's why. If we succeed, you could have been part of history and you'll have missed out. You could have been in the room and you'll be watching from the sidelines. And if we fail, which we're not going to, but if we fail, you'll blame yourself for not helping. We don't have the luxury of being intellectuals. And as a surgeon, that's one of the, you know, fundamental insights you have in your time of need when the patient's bleeding out and you've got to make that stitch. You do not want to be surrounded by intellectuals.

1:11:24You want to be surrounded by people of action who will in the stake a position and move forward. And I think that's our greatest opportunity. You know, I, I love heart surgeries with my passion, my whole life. It's, I still take great pride in my heritage. Government is just like surgery. It's just a lot bloodier. So come on down. That's politics. Exactly. Come join us. That's awesome. You know, with all of the things that you're talking about, you know, on your plate, you're dealing with the fraud, you're dealing with the upside. You know, I, I'd love you to touch a little bit on sort of the overall aspects of Maha as well. But what is between Maha and generally, you know, what does victory look like? You get another, you know, two and a half years. What does victory look like when you come out of this thing? What do you want to have accomplished? Victory for me is having a relationship with 170 million people who are my customers. More than half American adults are touched by us. And so, and most kids are born in the Medicaid. Yeah.

1:12:24So we have a lot of people whose lives we can improve if I can just talk to them. So I believe that we will be able to use a genetic AI to reach out and being conversation with you. In any way you want, I'll meet you where you are. You want to disclose your medical records because they're yours and you own them. We'll take them and help you identify what's important. And all the risk factors you ought to be worried about and we'll help you find the right doctor and make the right treatments available to make sure you can afford all these care opportunities. If you want to stay more private, that's fine too. Wherever you are, I just want to be able to make sure you know that we're here to help. Without, without weaponizing a surveillance system that could control your life. That is a balancing act that we have to respect is hard to do. Yeah, that's a big fear on our side of the aisle, right? I mean, you saw what happened. It's like, I think it was always weaponized against conservatives, whether it was media, whether it was, search engines, whether it was shadow banning, you know, there's a lot of, and rightfully so, skepticism on our side.

1:13:24And yet, with the advent of these technologies, when your health is on the line, there has to be a fine balance of, you know, having some trust that, you know, maybe you can get some more information that you wouldn't otherwise have had. You're going to want to have your own AI to protect you. This is going to happen whether you want the tour or not. And listen, I, you met my wife, Lisa, is as bad as far out there as you can get in, not trusting big government, big data. She, you know, she has a very, you know, she's Mensa, right? She's, you know, in my house, you know, I mean, but first of all, in my house, the prosecution, even when she talks with Patina, I was like, I got to break out the tinfoil hats for all of you guys. And I'm pretty freaking conspiratorial. So I was like, it's just, but she's, when she often says, if you're not a conspiracy theorist, by now, you're a fool. Yeah, you're an idiot. Yeah, a hundred percent, right? But there's things that I do believe we're going to have to accept are coming down the pike at us. And it's not whether you want it to happen, but how are you going to protect yourself when it does happen? And there's too many opportunities for us to help, especially folks who've fallen or having trouble getting up, folks who substance use disorder,

1:14:25a lot of folks who are vulnerable or having issues with mental health concerns. I mean, if I'm trying to deliver mental health services in rural America, and one of the greatest gifts that your dad and, and Congress has given to American people is the rural health transformation fund, $50 million, $50 billion, $50 percent more money than ever before put by Medicaid and the rural health is going in the rural health, starting now, starting out there. And that's an opportunity for us to write size rural health care. One of the ways we're going to have to do it is to meet folks with mental health conditions, with avatars. Why? Because we don't have enough people to do it. There are not enough mental health practitioners to the 60 million Americans listening right now in rural America. So we're going to have to find solutions. The question is, how do we make sure that these folks are going to destroy your life or penalize you because you don't think the way the right way? Correct. I encourage folks to get involved. You know, help us find better answers. If the only people thinking about these are folks trying to monetize it and profit off it, they're not going to care about you. Yeah, even when it comes to that, I mean, getting people involved can also be, even on the whistleblower side.

1:15:26I mean, people see some of this stuff going on. People see some of this fraud. And yet, in the prior administration, it feels like the whistleblowers were the people that were penalized and held accountable for doing the right thing, not the people committing the fraud. I mean, can we make people comfortable to hate? You're seeing something that's bad going on, pointed out that there's good people are going to be receptive to that. Listen, the arc of history bends towards truth. Yeah. Eventually, those whistleblowers do get heard. I mean, our biggest allies in Minnesota are taking on the fraud, especially from the Somalians, but others as well, including folks serving in Minnesota, where the whistleblowers who are ostracized, driven out of government, penalized by being moved to obscure areas in the administration. And now, when they have a chance, they're very clear about what went wrong. So it does take break people, but that's what it's always taken, right? You don't change society with committees. And these folks are talking to each other

1:16:27at the faculty lounge with their tweed jackets as they smoke a pipe. Society changes because a few powerful, passionate people don't take no for an answer and just keep pushing until they get heard. And I have confidence that's what's going to happen in America. That's why I trust elections when they're done right. If we were able to actually clean up some of the fraud that's out there and allow the American people to speak, they will make the right decision. They made the right decision in 2024, despite an overwhelming avalanche of media that was against us because they saw through it. And I think they'll make the right decision in 26 and 28. And until the Democratic Party course corrects, and I think they will, there's plenty of Democrats now who are quite loudly saying we've lost their way. I mean, when we have, I just read this morning it's frustrating, you know, nuns providing care to terminal patients being criticized by the state of New York because they're not willing to offer DEI and transgender concepts to these terminal patients.

1:17:30I mean, what are you talking about? Like no Democrat wants that. It's like a South Park at the center. This is all performative. My son, Oliver, who you know, he's an intern now at Columbia, but he just finished medical school. And when he's going through medical school, they kept training him that he had to introduce himself to patients by his pronouns. And he said, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to talk to an 80 year old Korean War vet who's going into open heart surgery and say, I'm a he-him. He doesn't care. And why am I either using- Is it going to cardiac arrest just hearing that? Exactly, but why am I imposing my belief systems on him that he can be a patient? By Oliver, I'm just going to head and tell you because this is, you know, I think you will treat this with the sensitivity that you should. Oliver was in medical school taught how to separate kids from their parents so he can ask them about gender issues. And Oliver said, I am not going to do that. That is grooming. If the parents have an issue,

1:18:32they will come and ask our advice. But I'm not going to get between a parent and their child and introduce complicated concepts that are going to be very difficult for the family who dress later on. I just don't think that's right. And they dinged him. Are you able to, you know, from where you are through HHS or you guys able to do anything about that? And, you know, you see that a lot these days, the indoctrination within the medical school systems the same, you know, forcing those sorts of things. But one of the things that you realize in government is elections have consequences. The American people brought your father and vice president Bans who runs the task force in the government to fix these problems. So in this particular case, and there's a whole work stream around this that we were successfully able to complete, we first wrote a white paper which you might say, who cares about that? Because they put all the evidence out there that the transgender procedures, the gender changing, rejecting procedures were a lie. Yeah. We then... Oh, the recivism rate was like, in the 90% of all, you know, people were pushed to do this. They were manipulated into doing this. It indoctrinated into these things, groomed.

1:19:34And a couple of years later, they realized like, wait a minute, this hasn't actually solved any of my problems. It's actually made it much worse. The lies around these procedures were exposed. In fact, the Europeans have now come back and they no longer are advocating for these procedures. But we took this white paper. We used it to write a rule with how government changes policy. We wrote a rule saying, you may not use federal tax dollars in Medicaid to pay for gender-rejecting procedures. That rule was a, you know, we caught hell for it, but it's the right thing to do. And then we went out and this is really important. We went to the major medical societies, and to the medical schools. And we made it very clear what we respect them to do and what the data was out there needed to be respected. So the God bless them, the plastic surgeons, put their hand up. They went first and said, we're the people who do these operations. We no longer advocate for them until you're 19 years of age. Which, by the way, I'm fine with it. When you're an adult, you can do your own thing. But kids made long, no longer get these procedures because they're experiments. And unless you're doing them in a clinical trial, you should not be selling this stuff

1:20:35because people are making a lot of money. You know how much it costs to take, you know, to gender operation, create a new penis, to take off breasts? These are hundreds of thousands of dollars. You get paid more, take a breast off, a child, than a woman or a breast cancer. Crazy. We actually pay more for a gender-rejecting mastectomy than a woman with breast cancer, having her breast taken off appropriately. So this kind of stuff, we stopped. Not happening. And the medical societies, because you know what you learn? You have these advocates that get in there and they pollute the system and they intimidate people, literally scared them. It's all an intimidation. Once we come to their help, once we come in and say, you know what, you're allowed to say what you believe. You may no longer be intimidated. They change. So the plastic surgeons went first, then the American Medical Association, God bless them. Say, you know what, we trust the plastic surgeons. We're gonna support their position. Wow. And now you see the medical society. That's a big change. It is. You know, from even the COVID era, where if you said, hey, maybe the Wuhan virus started in a lab

1:21:37that studies the exact virus in question at the place that was ground zero, like you couldn't say that. I mean, of course it did. Like, I got crack, I got canceled. I was thrown out of social media because I said this, like, well done. You're not a virologist. I go, I know I'm not a virologist. I just don't have to be an idiot. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this isn't wrong. You don't need to be a virologist. You just have to have a little bit of common sense and that was totally missing. Well, common sense is not so common, as you know. And the ability for us to give voice to the many people who have common sense and actually happen to be world experts as well, like the plastic surgeons, to say what they believe is true. And then turns out that the American Medical Association is comfortable supporting their brethren who are actually experts in this area. You start to see the dominoes start to come back to us. And that's why having brave people, like your dad, lead a government who don't care about getting canceled because you can't recancel somebody. Don't care about the media not honoring what they're saying or covering what they're saying because they know the American people are curious. And that's why podcasts like this matter a lot because of what folks have heard today, I'm hoping they will share at the water cooler

1:22:38at a cocktail party, just find it excuse to put the stuff on the agenda because it's only through podcasts like this that the American people get a version of reality that happens to be aligned with the truth. Well, I appreciate you doing it. And we're always happy to spread that word. Dr. Oz, great to see you as well. Thank you. Well, certainly one of our new sponsors, Immuno150. We talk about it all the time on the show being prepared. Prepare for the future. And that starts obviously with your health. Immuno150 is bringing people back to good, healthy living. Their nutritional supplements pack everything your body actually needs into one place, 12 vitamins, 17 antioxidants, 17 amino acids, omega-36 and nine and a whole lot more. And here's the key. It's all micro blended for total assimilation and digestion. That means your body actually absorbs it. Not like those cheap supplements where half of the stuff just passes right through you. Immuno150 has nearly everything the human body needs

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